Did the game become fun again? - Page 3

HidraA · 10-07-2011, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chilko

you see, there is nothing we can do to please you guys.
most of you where crying for CS for months now.

the 3 old saves system have issues too. We cannot move back to that system without thinking something new to try to fix them

Maybe 2 central saves + leveling save around the castle that gets deactivated
and shuffling around high level leveling zones.

/me goes back to designing stuff

I am agree with you,there is nothing that will please people,i told before you put back only a central save,that saves near forts can stay like this....wtv ppl talk that i only trolling,but look some of them are even worst.....

Wtv i took conclusion that you took right decision to not answare at spamm of threads in forum....

A short summary on past months...:

WM spells teleports:
-"too many teleports nerf them"
- telports nerfred to 60 minuts
-"you made teleports useless"
-teleport enchanted to 20 minuts +new features"
-"WM spells are useless"

Central saves:
-"wuahhh wee want central saves back even old system with one central save"
-central saves fixed
-"wuahhh ummm wee want old 3 central save wee dont like one centrall save"

/ me wonder how many people know that they want

_Kharbon_ · 10-07-2011, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chilko

you see, there is nothing we can do to please you guys.
most of you where crying for CS for months now.

the 3 old saves system have issues too. We cannot move back to that system without thinking something new to try to fix them

Maybe 2 central saves + leveling save around the castle that gets deactivated
and shuffling around high level leveling zones.

/me goes back to designing stuff

Getting back CS is a blessing for most players, but it's a known fact, that you can never satisfy everybody. There is always some fraction of players that don't like certain things. Please, don't feel disapointed, as you did great here imho and many players are grateful for it.

Btw, shuffling around high level grindzones sounds quite promissing to me

Seher · 10-07-2011, 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chilko

you see, there is nothing we can do to please you guys.
most of you where crying for CS for months now.

I don't think many here would vote for the saves you just got rid of, in fact you managed to please rather many players here. (Horus, the whole German community...) We just move on and complain about new things, you wouldn't want to rest on your laurels anyway, huh?

Quote:

Originally Posted by chilko

the 3 old saves system have issues too. We cannot move back to that system without thinking something new to try to fix them

Maybe 2 central saves + leveling save around the castle that gets deactivated
and shuffling around high level leveling zones.

/me goes back to designing stuff

I like how you experiment with new save and invasion systems, you just need to remove them faster if it is no improvement.

Saves are no easy topic, failures are to be expected.

Kyrottimus · 10-07-2011, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chilko

you see, there is nothing we can do to please you guys.
most of you where crying for CS for months now.

the 3 old saves system have issues too. We cannot move back to that system without thinking something new to try to fix them

Maybe 2 central saves + leveling save around the castle that gets deactivated
and shuffling around high level leveling zones.

/me goes back to designing stuff

Not true, I'm very pleased.

This has been the best update in a lonnnnngggggg time. I feel the greatest sense of balance ever since I started playing.

Seriously.

Of course you're going to get people pissing and moaning about this or that they don't like. But as some have said, give it time to test, most will adapt, if it is still plagued with problems and the community agrees; only then would I recommend "fixing" what is wrong.

As for designing new stuff, kudos. But remember, if it's not broken, don't fix it.

Right now the Save/Resurrection system is perfect in my opinion. The Warmaster Teleports are perfect.

Everything is so much more conducive to the flow of war.

My only suggestions now for new content would be the following:

Dual Wielding
New or Expanded Musical Score (or the ability to import our own music and apply a track to each area)
Warzone Settlements or Outposts
Warzone NPCs / Quests
Markets same-distance from Central Saves in all realms
and/or Central Market Guards

I think Regnum right now, as it stands, is in a great state of balance/structure and should serve as a foundation for expansion.

The Warmaster Teleports + the old Central, Single Save system is a perfect blend, in my opinion, and should remain.

We never used the Trelleborg Save, and with W/M Teleports our castles are easily accessible for the most part.

Anyway, I have not said it yet but great job NGD, Chilko. This last update was needed and well-executed.

The castles are amazing, and it's not just new castles but new and expanded warzone as far as I'm concerned. More new areas to fight in, great fun!

bois · 10-07-2011, 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chilko

you see, there is nothing we can do to please you guys.
most of you where crying for CS for months now.

the 3 old saves system have issues too. We cannot move back to that system without thinking something new to try to fix them

Maybe 2 central saves + leveling save around the castle that gets deactivated
and shuffling around high level leveling zones.

/me goes back to designing stuff

I was not going to comment in this thread for a while but I feel compelled to.
If you are trying to design this game to please everyone across diverse servers with different mentalities, then (perceived) failure will be your constant companion. If you choose to take the pessimistic route and look at it that way.

The idea is to deliver updates that first fit NGD overall scope and vision of the game. You are the directors after all. Next you try to deliver something that is engaging and fun to the majority of the general population.
Have you done so with central saves ? Yes I think so. Of the three systems it is the best , middle of the road solution. People forget just how shitty the old 3 save system was at times.

Personally , I think the designers did a good enough job on that area and it satisfies the majority. Time to move on to other projects and just keep this one under review and closer to the back burner.
More saves? Why ? for easy access grinding? The issue is not the saves but hopefully NGD will dream up some ideas to make group grind more appetising than it is now. The game is group oriented and emphasis should be given to group grinds.
And honestly, RA may have issues with marauding hunt groups but grinders need to form groups too.
On generally average or underpopulated servers we have grinding problems? Way back I found it was infinitely worse when Hunters were king.Keep in mind we had 3 saves then and grind spots were fairly close plus you could go to almost all the way inner realm. Right now it is much much easier to grind to 50 than it was XP wise. NGD introduced tools for GMs to boost drop rates, gold rates and XP. We have a GM that comes on and generously gives boosts.
Ganking is no where as bad as it used to be on Horus, let's get real. On my way to 60 on knight and even now on my lesser characters I can grind comfortably with only occasional ganks. In the warzone there are multiple areas both in your territory and outside that you can modulate between and get a lot of levelling work done. We don't need a multitude of saves for that.
You might say "oh you got mount and boosters" Many times I run all the way to my grind location to avoid forced horse dismount= dead. Quite often this was to locations not even in Ignis territory. At least 3 of my characters use no boosters and live off NGD occasional gift boosts. I also get XP for war. What more do you want? It is a warzone filled with risk and irritations.

They have done plenty and in my view quite enough for grinding. All that is needed now is a better formula for group grinding probably with increased party size and enhanced party type tools for conjurers.

Chilko, forget the damn saves and move on to other matters. The GUI awaits if you are doing that one. Guard AI , bug fixes. We are pleased, just spoiled rotten. We want it all without concessions.

HidraA · 10-07-2011, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyrottimus

Dual Wielding
New or Expanded Musical Score (or the ability to import our own music and apply a track to each area)
Warzone Settlements or Outposts
Warzone NPCs / Quests
Markets same-distance from Central Saves in all realms
and/or Central Market Guards

That why is better to not anonce features that not yet finished /complete integrated in soft/game.
-As programer Chilko shall know this.
-A features anonced but never released will be hard subject of complaints.
-Chose element of surrprise for your next updates.....and people will love you for great suprises of new faetures...
Everybody luff X-mass surprises

_Nel_ · 10-07-2011, 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chilko

you see, there is nothing we can do to please you guys.
most of you where crying for CS for months now.

On the contrary, I see a great improvement compared to last polls:

Do you think Warmasters update improved your game experience ?
> http://www.regnumonline.com.ar/forum...ad.php?t=76786

Code:

Yes	34	22.82%
No	115	77.18%

Do you like the new save system?
> http://www.regnumonline.com.ar/forum...ad.php?t=79637

Code:

Yes		12	7.84%
No		135	88.24%
I don't care	6	3.92%

It's not exactly the same questions, but they are related to fun in Regnum.

Quote:

Originally Posted by chilko

the 3 old saves system have issues too. We cannot move back to that system without thinking something new to try to fix them

Maybe 2 central saves + leveling save around the castle that gets deactivated
and shuffling around high level leveling zones.

/me goes back to designing stuff

I don't understand what issues you are talking about.

Even on Ra they prefer much much more the old 3 saves non-deactivable:
> http://www.regnumonline.com.ar/forum...ad.php?t=82063

Code:

3 saves away from the fortifications			138	83.64%
A single central save					16	9.70%
3 saves glued to the fortifications, deactivatable	8	4.85%
Other							3	1.82%

No point to re-design stuff that works. You already found the best solution that pleases every servers.

HidraA · 10-07-2011, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by _Nel_

......

Even if all thinks will go as in that Polls,for sure people will complaint about them.....

It's that i see in this forum for a wile,everybody complaint about every think or other people....

standistortion · 10-07-2011, 06:20 PM

Voting yes, RO has been constantly improving and now this update.... imperia... omfg, that is pure class. Not had much chance to play lately and will be a while before I can but really like the way things are going, nice work.

_Nel_ · 10-07-2011, 06:59 PM

@ HidraA

You should try to make a difference between a complaint which everyone is querelling with each others and a complaint which most people totally agrees.
Anyway, 100% is a pure utopia, 80% or more is enough to say it's a pretty good move.

View Poll Results: Did the game become fun again?
Yes.	45	56.25%
No.	16	20.00%
Nothing changed.	19	23.75%
Voters: 80. You may not vote on this poll

10-07-2011, 06:59 PM	#30
_Nel_ Master Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: France Posts: 414	@ HidraA You should try to make a difference between a complaint which everyone is querelling with each others and a complaint which most people totally agrees. Anyway, 100% is a pure utopia, 80% or more is enough to say it's a pretty good move. __________________ Nel's VidZ

10-07-2011, 06:20 PM	#29
standistortion Master Join Date: May 2010 Location: Ireland Posts: 438	Voting yes, RO has been constantly improving and now this update.... imperia... omfg, that is pure class. Not had much chance to play lately and will be a while before I can but really like the way things are going, nice work.