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[TheBarbarianAlsius]

I'm from Raven.

something very silly is to think that all of a server are rookies.


you think that raven's are rookies, challenge you to make me a pvp.


but a truth without rage of fury pvp, ms, and other things that use them have no ability

[_Seinvan]

Raven, for me, was a great server. A fresh start, new faces, the grinding was quicker, warmaster powers were nonexistent. "Zergs" were 10-15 people at most, maybe even less. Invasions were actually tough to pull off at first. Realm balance wasn't nearly as bad as it is now.. The game was just a lot more fun.

People can say we were handed things on a silver platter, but I'm not complaining. Nothing wrong with free mounts/boosters for participating in events/promo codes (ujelly?) and grinding isn't even the point of this game >.< Some horus players act like grinding 10 million exp without server boosts makes you a pr0, and it's kind of stupid The only reason I think some Horus people are so concerned with Raven in its entirety is GameSamba and what they brought to the table post-merge. I can't say I disagree with them, but hey, it's kind of nice having an active community of GMs to resolve some of your more minor issues in-game rather than relying on NGD's support tickets, right?

I need to stop lurking here, I told myself I'd quit already.

[Southbound]

Originally Posted by _Seinvan

Raven, for me, was a great server. A fresh start, new faces, the grinding was quicker, warmaster powers were nonexistent. "Zergs" were 10-15 people at most, maybe even less. Invasions were actually tough to pull off at first. Realm balance wasn't nearly as bad as it is now.. The game was just a lot more fun.

People can say we were handed things on a silver platter, but I'm not complaining. Nothing wrong with free mounts/boosters for participating in events/promo codes (ujelly?) and grinding isn't even the point of this game >.< Some horus players act like grinding 10 million exp without server boosts makes you a pr0, and it's kind of stupid The only reason I think some Horus people are so concerned with Raven in its entirety is GameSamba and what they brought to the table post-merge. I can't say I disagree with them, but hey, it's kind of nice having an active community of GMs to resolve some of your more minor issues in-game rather than relying on NGD's support tickets, right?

I need to stop lurking here, I told myself I'd quit already.

Wow!

"and grinding isn't even the point of this game".. But still you decided to abandon your 50+ char to do it alla again?

And you keep on saying: " warmaster powers were nonexistent. "Zergs" were 10-15 people at most"??

Ehm, NGD had already set the rules for the game... were you actually so naive that you didnt think that Raven would grow up and Warmaster would emerge EVENTUALLY??

@ON TOPIC:
I personally never saw myself as greater or better then anyone that started their first char on Raven.
What did annoy the crap out of me tho: was all the "dumbfucks" leaving old Horus, because The grass is always greener on the other side! "I´m gonna start over from lvl 1, and EVERYTHING is gonna be so awesome!"

I would understand if ppl left Horus to get back on Ra or , for the central europeeans, Valhalla (or older Nifl/Musp).
At least there they would get a fresh start AND a flowing gameplay!
Now they picked a "Hello Kitty" server where they thought they´d get a headstart from knowing the game from before

[Awrath]

Originally Posted by Southbound

Wow!

"and grinding isn't even the point of this game".. But still you decided to abandon your 50+ char to do it alla again?

And you keep on saying: " warmaster powers were nonexistent. "Zergs" were 10-15 people at most"??

Ehm, NGD had already set the rules for the game... were you actually so naive that you didnt think that Raven would grow up and Warmaster would emerge EVENTUALLY??

@ON TOPIC:
I personally never saw myself as greater or better then anyone that started their first char on Raven.
What did annoy the crap out of me tho: was all the "dumbfucks" leaving old Horus, because The grass is always greener on the other side! "I´m gonna start over from lvl 1, and EVERYTHING is gonna be so awesome!"

I would understand if ppl left Horus to get back on Ra or , for the central europeeans, Valhalla (or older Nifl/Musp).
At least there they would get a fresh start AND a flowing gameplay!
Now they picked a "Hello Kitty" server where they thought they´d get a headstart from knowing the game from before

And who are you to decide how one chooses to have fun?

There is no divide. The end.

[VandaMan]

Originally Posted by Southbound

Ehm, NGD had already set the rules for the game... were you actually so naive that you didnt think that Raven would grow up and Warmaster would emerge EVENTUALLY??

Well actually, we were told by Raven GMs that WarMaster were disabled on their server, and would only be activated if/when they thought it was balanced and the server was ready. This was a lie, sadly, but I still had a much better time in the 6 months before the first WarMasters arrived than I would've on Horus.

Originally Posted by Southbound

What did annoy the crap out of me tho: was all the "dumbfucks" leaving old Horus, because The grass is always greener on the other side! "I´m gonna start over from lvl 1, and EVERYTHING is gonna be so awesome!"

Everything actually was "so awesome." The grass was indeed greener, and I'd move to a new server again in an instant, if they told us it would be WarMaster free. It's a shame that it turned out just like Horus in the end, but was still worth my time. And all the "dumbfucks" didn't leave old Horus, they left new Horus. Raven was more like old Horus than post-warmasters Horus was.

Originally Posted by Southbound

Now they picked a "Hello Kitty" server where they thought they´d get a headstart from knowing the game from before

I think this is precisely the attitude Zeme is talking about. "Hello Kitty" server..? XP boost events and less grinding to reach warzone = "hello kitty?" I don't get it. And I never moved there to get a head start, or to pwn all the newbz that had never played before, I moved to play without multiple nightly invasions by zergs of 70+, and without warmasters. I suspect the rest moved for basically the same thing.

I don't see how there it makes any difference to you which server people move to.

[_Seinvan]

Originally Posted by Southbound

Wow!

"and grinding isn't even the point of this game".. But still you decided to abandon your 50+ char to do it alla again?

And you keep on saying: " warmaster powers were nonexistent. "Zergs" were 10-15 people at most"??

Ehm, NGD had already set the rules for the game... were you actually so naive that you didnt think that Raven would grow up and Warmaster would emerge EVENTUALLY??

The difference was you had to work harder to get warmasters on Raven (no boats, the noble quest wasn't daily like it was at first when warmasters were first released, and getting your 30/30 often took more than a day). And even when more and more of them showed up, not every fight involved beacons like it does on Haven now. For a good long time, there was some kind of unwritten rule between the majority of Raven players that warmaster powers sucked and were only used for invasions (cuz no boatz), probably because most players who moved there hated those powers

Grinding wasn't hard on Raven, why wouldn't I level up another alt? I had a bunch of free boosters that stacked with server boosts. Besides, people leveled alts on Horus too, so I don't see the point in that argument :P It was just a lot easier on Raven.

aaaaaaand:

Originally Posted by VandaMan

I think this is precisely the attitude Zeme is talking about. "Hello Kitty" server..? XP boost events and less grinding to reach warzone = "hello kitty?" I don't get it. And I never moved there to get a head start, or to pwn all the newbz that had never played before, I moved to play without multiple nightly invasions by zergs of 70+, and without warmasters. I suspect the rest moved for basically the same thing.

That ^

[TheBarbarianAlsius]

"hello kitty" server. you know that the only thing people do is speak without knowing.


1. those who are "beta" in raven, did not have any kind of bonus, they sometimes placed 50% for 1 hour if you had luck. Even so, we graduated our characters.

2. in raven had no boats not many people from other kingdoms, therefore be wm was 80 times more difficult than in Ra/Horus. Also was much more easy to defend the wall, and much more difficult to break it. because as they were a few characters, the guards played a very good role, not as now that they are useless.

[Shwish]

Originally Posted by Southbound

And you keep on saying: " warmaster powers were nonexistent. "Zergs" were 10-15 people at most"??

Actually Raven had their fair share of warmasters, the only difference is that we only used beacons at invasions. It was extremely rare to see a beacon being used at a fort war.

[Raoh]

Originally Posted by Shwish

Actually Raven had their fair share of warmasters, the only difference is that we only used beacons at invasions. It was extremely rare to see a beacon being used at a fort war.

Ive seen more than a share of Horus players tossing up beacons at oh, I dunno, Daen Rhaa, at a bridge fight thats being lost, even tossing up for a stupid zerg fight.

[JainFarstrider]

Being handed xp boosts on Raven is not the fault of the Ravenites. I can't imagine anyone grinding 45+ and when an xp boost comes on say "nope, this isn't fair for the other servers. I don't except this."

Hating on Ravenites just because of the GS's decisions doesn't really make sense once you step back and think about it, although I do admit it feels extremely infuriating when others get to snag rewards that you've never been given even though you've been playing considerably longer than them.

Also, the line between Horus-Raven players is dissolving, even if it isn't noticable at a glance. I find Ignis barely - meaning 0.5% of the time, even mentioning server differences or feuds. Most of the arguments are drunk people angry annoyed at why they didn't get rezzed first or buffed.

The only reason that I would get annoyed about Ravenites is when I discuss with another Horus player about the 'Old Days' when so much was different (hunting and later the old forts), and some Ravenite will proceed to tell me I am an elitist or noob to think that Pre-Invasions was better than Haven. I guess I get mad because I feel sentimental about those times and I miss the crews from back then.

As a Horus-Ignis player I've learned to expect the unexpected from NGD and other things. For example, the 'Ignis is underpopulated and gets beaten all the time' usually is a phase. We have our ups and downs. Sometimes Syrtis gets terrible times too. But when some Ravenite comes along and tells me what the situation really is with a 'knowitall' attitude, I think that's what gets people ticked.