Idea to balance knight

[bois]

Dutch was kind enough to give me a link to one of his posts that I really liked:

http://www.championsofregnum.com/for...51&postcount=1

Change Rigorous preparation into Endure
Duration: toggle, wears off on first hit, 30 sec cd after toggling/wearing off
Mana cost 100-140-180-220-260
Effect: If the knight is hit(evade/resists count to), he gains 5-10-15-20-25% speed for 5 seconds (refreshes on next hit) The spell will toggle off after hitting an enemy/mob.

I think that this would be a really interesting spell to get. Numbers could be tweaked but the principle is the most important thing here.

I am not so much for a passive especially as NGD has introduced Legendary gear with modifiers on it. I would like that movement speed boost leggings be available only for Knight. However I think NGD missed the boat on that one too. If I am not mistaken, Barbs can get that stat too.

I do agree with everyone that a burst movement boost is the most important change for knight right now.

[pieceofmeat]

First something has to be done about all the random resist and blocks, especially for knights but other classes as well.

Otherwise i think most suggestion I have seen in this thread are good and could be worth working with.

[Aries202]

Balance Knight in what sense?

I don't want speed, I want to be able to tank properly for myself and allies.

In solo, I must agree it's rather annoying to catch someone kiting. I remember how OP knights were when we had spring, so I don't ever want to see it back.

I'd rather a charge spell, with a reasonable cooldown. It could be the range of Intimidate and it'd teleport you to the enemy and stun then for at least 4 seconds(so it won't be op) Of course this type of thing would be hard for NGD to implement, but it reduces the gap in solo fights.

Now, for RvR my problem is Defensive Support having the speed malice and it being shared with Barbarians. I'd rather see PA instant, as well as Paladin instant. It's annoying to chase someone down to dispell them and/or heal and they both have cast times.

I like what Dutch suggested once, being able to tank for an ally for a little while. I don't understand why we can't we're so ignored in war most of the time, because we're slow.

[Lebeau]

Originally Posted by Aries202

Balance Knight in what sense?

I don't want speed, I want to be able to tank properly for myself and allies.

In solo, I must agree it's rather annoying to catch someone kiting. I remember how OP knights were when we had spring, so I don't ever want to see it back...

...I'd rather see PA instant, as well as Paladin instant. It's annoying to chase someone down to dispell them and/or heal and they both have cast times...

Ofc. EVERY knight wants "to tank properly" (keeps going, & going, & going, like the effing energizer bunny), but as is, Ao1 & Def. Stance are just TOO much tbph (it can also be argued that Shield Wall, Stars Shield, Deflecting Barrier & Heroic Presence are also just TOO much); if I were NGD's game balance guru, these knight defenses would be nerfed slightly in effect %, the protection malus on Off. Stance would be lessened from it's current extreme of 95% in compensation, spring would be added to a warrior tree again, & Protect Ally would (& should) be instant &/or have a short range (sorry idk, but wtf skill is "Paladin" btw?)

[rossi]

Retal? No
Speed? For what? Once i catch my enemy he's able to run/escape just with resists.

Originally Posted by _Enio_

Knights dont need more defensive capabilities.

They need to become valid targets soaking damage, instead of being mostly ignored or CCd.

Too much constant def. vs all rangers is a reason too.

Thats reasonable.

[Aries202]

Originally Posted by Lebeau

Ofc. EVERY knight wants "to tank properly" (keeps going, & going, & going, like the effing energizer bunny), but as is, Ao1 & Def. Stance are just TOO much tbph (it can also be argued that Shield Wall, Stars Shield, Deflecting Barrier & Heroic Presence are also just TOO much); if I were NGD's game balance guru, these knight defenses would be nerfed slightly in effect %, the protection malus on Off. Stance would be lessened from it's current extreme of 95% in compensation, spring would be added to a warrior tree again, & Protect Ally would (& should) be instant &/or have a short range (sorry idk, but wtf skill is "Paladin" btw?)

Yep, so instead of 1k hits I'll be getting hit 2k hits by barbs... Seems good. I'm up for it!

[Kenpachi21]

Originally Posted by Lebeau

Ofc. EVERY knight wants "to tank properly" (keeps going, & going, & going, like the effing energizer bunny), but as is, Ao1 & Def. Stance are just TOO much tbph (it can also be argued that Shield Wall, Stars Shield, Deflecting Barrier & Heroic Presence are also just TOO much); if I were NGD's game balance guru, these knight defenses would be nerfed slightly in effect %, the protection malus on Off. Stance would be lessened from it's current extreme of 95% in compensation, spring would be added to a warrior tree again, & Protect Ally would (& should) be instant &/or have a short range (sorry idk, but wtf skill is "Paladin" btw?)

Then what be the point of a knight. We dont have to skill those given they are ally spells not self buffs. The point of a knight is to support. I do however like my game style as a paladin does in fact battle, so in a sense I support and fight. Obviously my stlye my opinion not saying its better just its a fun build.

I agree with not having spring but a small speed increase and instant PA. Too many times does a freaking conj run away with confuse and im just barely out of range due to cast time on PA XD.

[_Kharbon_]

@Aries & Kenpachi
Well, the problem is within the mechanics themselves. I see knights being overdefenced as well, but that's because I play archers and mages, which do just very little damage on knights.
The problem that Lebeau has mentioned lies in barbs having too excessive dmg (well, and the armour calculation system), and I rather agree with him.
When a knight buffs, my hunter hits them for less than 20 dmg, even though barb might still do around 1k dmg on them. This difference emphasises the flawed armour system.

[Recoil]

Knights need two abilities: 1) ability to forcefully switch all of the targets aimed at ally to himself 2) ability to switch target of a given enemy from whatever they are targeting to himself.

They should both be instant cast and reasonably cheap.

The fact that knights still (5+years into game development) have no ability like this says a lot about NGD as game designers.

[_Kharbon_]

Originally Posted by Recoil

Knights need two abilities: 1) ability to forcefully switch all of the targets aimed at ally to himself 2) ability to switch target of a given enemy from whatever they are targeting to himself.

They should both be instant cast and reasonably cheap.

The fact that knights still (5+years into game development) have no ability like this says a lot about NGD as game designers.

Decent idea, however it might be easier, if the knight could 'give' the ally part of his own hp, or soak part of the dmg from him. switching the selection of enemy directly would be met with quite a bit of protest, and would be too invasive on the other person