Are these evades normal?

[Vroek]

Originally Posted by e30ernest

They made the game, made the rules and are responsible in governing and upholding them, therefore only they have the right to decide on what is cheating and what is not.

Edit:

It's the same in real life. Ever heard the term "innocent until proven guilty?" Only the courts can decide who is guilty or not. In this case, NGD is the court.

"in the court of law."

Calling someone something and punishing them for it is not the same thing.

[e30G]

Originally Posted by Hell_bound

But what if a person, through trial and error, found that lvl 1 curse was more effective then the higher lvls.

Also what if this person never once read these boards, are you willing to generalize you moral standards to all in RO without looking at simple ideas that refute your generalizations?

It's precisely why I posted that. Calling them cheaters isn't justified in this case because for a person to be called a cheater, he/she must be found guilty to have broken a rule. The only people who are qualified to do that are NGD. Because NGD hasn't called this a bug, there is no abuse.

Calling people dishonorable is a different matter. Honor in this game is nothing more than a subjective set of rules made by the players. In short, it is opinion. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

[CumeriTarenes]

Originally Posted by Hell_bound

But what if a person, through trial and error, found that lvl 1 curse was more effective then the higher lvls.

Also what if this person never once read these boards, are you willing to generalize you moral standards to all in RO without looking at simple ideas that refute your generalizations?

Hell_bound, users pointed out that curse is bugged several times. This is all the players can do, now it is on NGD to clarify if it is a bug and if it is, NGD is responsible to make sure every user knows that it is bugged...or even better to fix it.

You cannot prove if someone found out that curse is bugged and uses it on lvl1 intenionally until NGD made sure everybody knows it. I never said it is not bugged or I said it is good to use it. But you cannot blame someone by the law for using it. Of course I blame everybody who knows about the bug and who uses it. I would call it unfair and not honourable, but not a cheater. Also I would never make peoples names public. It is defamation to do so.

[Hell_bound]

Originally Posted by e30ernest

... Calling people dishonorable is a different matter. Honor in this game is nothing more than a subjective set of rules made by the players. In short, it is opinion. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

No it isn't for you call a person "dishonorable" because they found out through trial and error that curse one is more effective then higher lvls?

This statement is nothing short of vigilantism - where by the community subjugates individuals to a fallacious claim of morality.

Next you will be calling everyone that wears blue dumb.

[e30G]

Like I said. Calling a person honorable or dishonorable is merely opinion, just as your post is nothing but opinion. Everyone is entitled to it. Just because neither of us agree makes any of us right or wrong. The same argument can be made for save-camping: Some people call it valid tactics while others call it dishonorable. Calling a person a cheater is a whole different matter however.

[Hell_bound]

Originally Posted by e30ernest

... Calling a person honorable or dishonorable is merely opinion..

It's not just an "opinion" - it's an "opinion" with an agenda.

And to prove this is that some are willing to name people that use curse one.

And the very fact that you see this as "dishonorable" supports this vigilante mob rule execution of a moral substandard that is fallacious.

Slice any way you want but these are the facts.

[CumeriTarenes]

Originally Posted by Hell_bound

It's not just an "opinion" - it's an "opinion" with an agenda.

And to prove this is that some are willing to name people that use curse one.

And the very fact that you see this as "dishonorable" supports this vigilante mob rule execution of a moral substandard that is fallacious.

Slice any way you want but these are the facts.

what a bunch of words I had to look for in the dictionary


What is honour in the game? Helping your comrades when they are in danger? Not to attack afk people? not to attack saves? Not to attack people who are leveling? Not to attack people who are lower lvl than yourself? To take a bow after defeating someone?

Honour is nothing you can get from the law, it is an attribute which others give to you, and it depends on the opinion other people are having about your actions. This is how I would define honour.

[Arkenion]

So using curse it like using a bug currently? Good to know :S

[Hell_bound]

Originally Posted by Katiechan

I don't care about your opinions, I will not take pity on cheaters. Bug abuse is bug abuse.
And that's all I have to say about it.

Damn you sound like sweetmarry from AC1...

Originally Posted by CumeriTarenes

... Honour is nothing you can get from the law, it is an attribute which others give to you, and it depends on the opinion other people are having about your actions. This is how I would define honour.

Right so you would choose to stigmatize people that don't know that they are doing wrong?

Also they have an easy claim to hold on to, which I might add you don't, and that is NGD has been silent on the issue.

But go on keep pushing you fallacious moral substandard, even though there is no bases for it.

[DkySven]

Like Vroek said, why on earth and regnum would a warlock cast curse on a level 50 barbarian who is charging towards him if he things it does only -10% hit change? That would be suïcide.