SoTW vs Mindsquash = Epic fail

[Mage_pegusas]

Originally Posted by sathilda

You got your dear SotW dispelled ? Warriors kill daily people under SotW... even mages. SOTW != SANCTUARY, Valorious, if you can't accept it, just cast low profile...

SOTW is NOT sanctuary. Sanctuary *is* a 'god-mode'. We can cast one spell, and not be attacked... we can heal others while this spell is active... we can run away unharmed with this spell active, we can even rest without the risk of being attacked with this spell active. We ARE God. But of course people rarely complain about this spell, because we use it to save everyones asses.

Atleast with SOTW people have a chance of hitting you, you have a chance of dying under this spell. If you rest for mana, you risk your own life doing so.

As for the "warriors kill daily under SOTW", this shows SOTW isn't 'god-mode' for those who have claimed so. The being killed under it is probably from casting it too late though, with only a few hundered hp left, and a barb hit or knight spell going through or something along the lines. I was at a fort war the other day, a hunter popped out of the door with SOTW and hit some people a few times, popped back in unscathed. Lol.

Originally Posted by misaccc

Valorius without playing a warrior you cant say a thing about their spells...on lvl4 my mind squash worked about 25%-20% of the time...its frustrating to waste 200mana most of the time...the spell is awsome,imo it has the most powerfull effect of all the shared warrior spells but its low chance of success makes up for it....

Sorry, but you do not 'waste' 200 mana, because this spell does 500+ dmg. The Debuff is an added bonus IMO.

[misaccc]

What the heck are you talking about...im not a barb...not everyone hits 500damage with it...

[CumeriTarenes]

Originally Posted by Valorius

The 50% chance is DEFINITELY offset by the massive damage and anti-DI element of the spell.

massive damage?

it has to pass your normal evade/resist layer (about 20 to 25 % I guess), then it has to pass spell elude layer (30% fail rate). And when it passes these layers it has a 50% chance to dispell your buffs. If it does not dispell your buffs, the damage you take will be not that high because of acrobatic, evasive tactics ect.

while confuse has 100% chance after passing resist/evade layers, has range 25 and prevents your opponent from buffing, healing, and all other non damaging spells.
You say mind squasher destroys 1000 mana bla bla.
A confused conju who cannot give any mana and heals to their mates for 40 sec is worst. 900hp heal ally can be cast 4 times in 40 sec...3600hp. So a single confuse can do 3600 "damage". Not to mention heal self, regenerate self/ally, mana giving ect.

Realy, comparing confuse with MS is ridiculous.
When a hunter, fastest class in game gets hit by MS its his fault. Problem is when the hunter casts in every fight as first move sotw and dirty fighting and relies on his "sanctuary". When a warrior gets MS on a sotw'ed hunter and MS get's trough and works he feels like winning the lottery. And you make a big deal about it when it happens once to you.

You say you cast all your buffs before the fight. It's your fault to do so, you should save some buffs for the case you get mindsquashed.

[Mage_pegusas]

How can you call a spell that does dmg, a waste, if you miss the % chance of debuffing your enemy though? You still do damage...
With dual shot my hunter does 300 dmg or so, on a knight around 200 if it isn't blocked. Even if your % chance misses, you still take a chunk out of my hp, and it is a shared spell between the warrior classes, so a barb will do 500+ dmg anyways, this is not just a knight thread, y'know.

[misaccc]

Yeah but you said 500damage which is almost impossible for a knight to hit on a buffed target...and even if the damage hits its only 100% weapon damage which you can inflict with a normal hit thus waisting no mana and not having to pass the resist layer...making ms damage no effect a mana waste...

[fluffy_muffin]

Originally Posted by misaccc

Yeah but you said 500damage which is almost impossible for a knight to hit on a buffed target...and even if the damage hits its only 100% weapon damage which you can inflict with a normal hit thus waisting no mana and not having to pass the resist layer...making ms damage no effect a mana waste...

Thinking this way i should not use ambush, SS, etc. They don't deal dmg so when they miss i loose my mana. But i use them cause if they don't miss they are worth this mana. Same is with MS. You take risk for some price. I have the same with grounding arrow. Often it is evaded so i deal no dmg and no - dext and i loose time and mana but so what? If it is succed ten wiii i have advantage.

[Valorius]

Originally Posted by misaccc

Valorius without playing a warrior you cant say a thing about their spells...on lvl4 my mind squash worked about 25%-20% of the time...its frustrating to waste 200mana most of the time...the spell is awsome,imo it has the most powerfull effect of all the shared warrior spells but its low chance of success makes up for it....

And my SoTW fails all the time, but i sure see non archers commenting on SoTW in thread after thread.

I sure see non archers calling confuse overpowered in thread after thread.

If they can comment, i can comment. I clearly stated my reasons.

I'm not going to keep repeating myself. My opinion and reasoning is now officially on record.

Originally Posted by misaccc

What the heck are you talking about...im not a barb...not everyone hits 500damage with it...

That's why i said this spell is probably ok for knights.

Originally Posted by Vroek

lol sotw!

Yes, you may have noticed the title of this thread.

Originally Posted by Vroek

And please if you dont even prebuff your 120 sec buffs... then suit yourself.
Spending 800 mana right before a fight is not cleaver,

How about when a conj is standing there giving you mana genius?

BTW< i SAID i cast them BEFORE a battle starts. That's another way of saying i pre-buff.

Originally Posted by Vroek

makes me wonder if you have any skills other than relying on your buffs.

I'll gladly face you one on one anytime.

Originally Posted by CumeriTarenes

You say you cast all your buffs before the fight. It's your fault to do so, you should save some buffs for the case you get mindsquashed.

Yeah, good idea 'save' my buffs that i need to survive more than 2 hits to begin with.

LOL....thanks for the 'advice'.

It's about as useful as the rest of your post.

[misaccc]

Fluff my point was only for spells with effect + 100% weapon damage...when the effect doesent work you wasted mana because you can do the same damage without using mana...but im not saying that because of that you shouldnt use those spells...

[Valorius]

Originally Posted by misaccc

Fluff my point was only for spells with effect + 100% weapon damage...when the effect doesent work you wasted mana because you can do the same damage without using mana...but im not saying that because of that you shouldnt use those spells...

That's actually not really true. The +100% weapon dmg spell is still very useful if you used it as a piggy back. It's basically like getting a 2nd regular attack then.

I use grounding shot in this capacity all the time.

[Angelwinged_Devil]

Originally Posted by Valorius

That's actually not really true. The +100% weapon dmg spell is still very useful if you used it as a piggy back. It's basically like getting a 2nd regular attack then.

then maybe use a spell which does more damage and still does 100% weapon damage instead?

I use grounding shot in this capacity all the time.

read the above statement, dual shot.

mind squasher is not really overpowered.

Last time I got mindsquashed with an sm setup I was against many so I would die anyway, just made me ask myself why I didn't have mod on XD.

I can prevent mindsquasher from being cast but not confuse as you so heartly compare it with which is totally ridiculous as they are two completely different spells. The most comparable spell for mindsquasher is dispel/dispel area while confuse more lines up with di and darkness.