Lucky Boxes: Happy or disappointed? - Page 4

Kittypretty · 01-29-2009, 07:13 AM

ok my apologies for the off topic,
however it is hard to keep this thread going without input that is pertinent.

alot of people in this thread have asked or wondered if there were any changes or adjustments being considered concerning lucky boxes and the some what subpar epic items many have recieved. we as players cannot answer this question, only you NGD can bring us out of the dark on this. thats the question on our minds, and i believe still unanswered..thats all i have to add to this thread.

octopus · 01-29-2009, 05:16 PM

I was very happy with my two first platinum box items. However, I bought two more, and was not very happy. One item was mediocre, not bad but nothing to get excited about. However, the last one I got was a "Normal" marksman armor item, with nothing but a +1 Constitution. I just don't think that is what I would call "platinum" quality. I won't be buying any more of them unless I hear they have gotten a lot better.

I don't expect platinum items to be better than top-quality stuff that can be looted, but I do expect it to be better than normal quality with a +1 in a less-important stat (I would have preferred +Dex, Int, Concentration or Mana over constitution for a marksman).

chilko · 01-29-2009, 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Puppypaws

Ok my apologies for the off topic,
however it is hard to keep this thread going without input that is pertinent.

alot of people in this thread have asked or wondered if there were any changes or adjustments being considered concerning lucky boxes and the some what subpar epic items many have recieved. we as players cannot answer this question, only you NGD can bring us out of the dark on this. thats the question on our minds, and i believe still unanswered..thats all i have to add to this thread.

This is the only thing that I can say about this subject.
If there is a modification for the lucky boxes, it will be in two ways... either we change the pricing (if that is the case, we will give the price difference as a ximerin refund) or we will change the LOOT system (not the luckybox functionality) as we feel that the current model ensures a fair and balanced experienced with non-premium users.

regards,

- Chilko

backe · 01-30-2009, 03:04 AM

My two cents on the whole issue...

There are a lot of people that have noticed that the problem with leveling with boosters is it requires far fewer mobs to level up. Subsequently, people who level with boosters generally find fewer drops and have a bit less money than those that do it for free. While the repair hammers do effectively cover the money lost by warriors that use XP scrolls (much less so for mages and especially archers), the only option to make up for the possibility of receiving beneficial drops is the lucky boxes.

As such, my issue is not with the quality of the items received from using the lucky boxes, but with the fact that they cannot be sold for gold and the overall cost of the lucky boxes themselves.

Now I know, I know...everyone is going to start posting all the "craptic" items they've gotten from lucky boxes, but before you do, lets think about this for a minute. How many powerful, usable items (and by that, I mean high level, specific to your subclass, and relevant to the way you play your character) have you gotten from drops? I know for myself, I can count the number on one hand in the entire time that I have played this game, and that is across all of my characters. Partly, I imagine that this may be because once I get to 50, the only time I kill mobs is when I have necrostacy or they interfere with combat. But this can only account for so much. That means, almost the entirety of gear that I have comes from generous players, and I am positive that for many of you, this is the same.

Given that the items dropped by mobs AND the items from lucky boxes are for the most part, crap, I think the amount of complaints about lucky box item quality are a bit excessive. But then again, this may also be due to the fact that NGD changed the random item generator to increase the chances of less favorable stat bonuses (+1% resistance to slashing, anyone?) at the same time they implemented lucky boxes.

Now, about the price of the lucky boxes...

This is a bit more difficult to balance. If the price of lucky boxes is decreased, then the balance will tend to swing towards premium users who have used boosters to level. However, if the price is increased, remains the same, then balance obviously favors those that have not leveled with boosters. At the moment, in my opinion, the price of platinum and (especially) gold lucky boxes is far too high. But then again, how many hours of grinding does it take to yield an item that is decent and how does this compare to the number of XP scrolls used in that period of time?

A bit off topic 1:
I seriously hope that NGD doesn't change the current loot system to increase the chance of getting "decent" items. I know everyone is going to hate me for saying this, but the fact is, I've already done a lot of leveling, and to toss a proverbial bone to all those that are leveling up their characters now would certainly leave those of us out that are, for the most part, done with PvE in Regnum. It would essentially be the same (or maybe even bigger) as when item rewards were added to quests when players have already completed said quests, thus giving them no way to receive the reward.

A bit off topic 2:
I GREATLY appreciate NGD's responsiveness in the english forums lately. Way to go guys!

Edit: Sorry about the long post, but as this greatly effects not just premium users, but the balance of all items in general, I think it is important that we all think about this issue very seriously.

backe · 01-30-2009, 03:18 AM

sorry....double post from screwed up editing

delete me!

Kianoni · 01-30-2009, 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by backe

My two cents on the whole issue...

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Now, about the price of the lucky boxes...

This is a bit more difficult to balance. If the price of lucky boxes is decreased, then the balance will tend to swing towards premium users who have used boosters to level. However, if the price is increased, remains the same, then balance obviously favors those that have not leveled with boosters. At the moment, in my opinion, the price of platinum and (especially) gold lucky boxes is far too high. But then again, how many hours of grinding does it take to yield an item that is decent and how does this compare to the number of XP scrolls used in that period of time?

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Very good post mate.

my 2 scents on the subject although I don't want to leave any trails for tracking..

I have to agree that even though the current loot system does not give you much chances of getting good items it plays it's part in the game
- it may be sometimes frustrating and boring to hunt for that breastplate you are missing either by grinding or trading but when you finally get it you know it is something you appreciate, not just a common item. I think this also favors those players who have more time to play, grind or just simply have really good luck but we'll - I'm happy with the chances of getting special drops but either the chances of normal drops or the economy in general should be changed but that is altogether another topic.

Thank you for you Chilko again for responding to us. In my opinion, the prizes of the boxes should be cut down - the platinum ones cost me about 8 euros atm

So I vote for the prize cut-down but not too much because then evryone would be buying as much boxes they need before they get top gear and this would unbalance the game towards those who have more money (would make NGD rich though

)

OT - the hunt continues: If anyone on Alsius/Horus has a lvl 47+ hunter breastplate with good bonuses to sell pm me.

makarios68 · 01-30-2009, 11:44 AM

I think a price reduction is neccessary - the platinum boxes are really expensive.

If the items are staying the same, then i think that when you buy a box you should be given a choice from a range of items (say 3 or 4 items).

You still might not get what you are looking for, but at least you will feel like you had some choice about what you get.

I believe this will create fewer complaints.

Mellion · 01-30-2009, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by makarios68

I think a price reduction is neccessary - the platinum boxes are really expensive.

If the items are staying the same, then i think that when you buy a box you should be given a choice from a range of items (say 3 or 4 items).

You still might not get what you are looking for, but at least you will feel like you had some choice about what you get.

I believe this will create fewer complaints.

100% agree.

_dracus_ · 01-30-2009, 11:55 AM

From my opinion thoses items totally change the balance. I'm not whining i'm speaking from the good side of the thing. I mean when I look at my hunter armor I feel ashame if I loose a 1 vs 1 against another hunter.

I have a beastmaster gear:
- helm with +110 mana
- pauldrons with + 5 constitution and some resistance stuff
- breastplate with +5 constitution and +145 health
- leggings with +69 mana and resistance stuff
- gauntlet with 3 resistance and armor boost.

The breastplate comes from the first lucky box i bought, other stuff come from loot and lucky boxed bought by clan mates. I'm not even speaking of my bows. So I do feel like lucky boxes change the balance of the game.

makarios68 · 01-30-2009, 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gph

From my opinion thoses items totally change the balance. I'm not whining i'm speaking from the good side of the thing. I mean when I look at my hunter armor I feel ashame if I loose a 1 vs 1 against another hunter.

I have a beastmaster gear:
- helm with +110 mana
- pauldrons with + 5 constitution and some resistance stuff
- breastplate with +5 constitution and +145 health
- leggings with +69 mana and resistance stuff
- gauntlet with 3 resistance and armor boost.

The breastplate comes from the first lucky box i bought, other stuff come from loot and lucky boxed bought by clan mates. I'm not even speaking of my bows. So I do feel like lucky boxes change the balance of the game.

It's true to say that these items affect the balance, when you are fighting against a player who doesn't have these items.

But you have to remember that these items are not unique to lucky boxes - they are available in-game from mobs and bosses.

My hunter has some great items - all of them looted from mobs. Against a player that has standard items, balance is also affected here.

The lucky boxes merely provide a quicker way of obtaining the good items that you can get in-game - for those who are willing to pay for them.

This is standard practice for MMO games, and many games have items that are only available to premium users.

All in all, i think the Regnum premium system affects balance a lot less than many other games.

View Poll Results: Which of these applies to you?
I have bought Lucky Box/es and I was happy with the items.	10	8.47%
I have bought Lucky Box/es and I was not happy with the items.	48	40.68%
I have never bought Lucky Boxes.	60	50.85%
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01-29-2009, 07:13 AM	#31
Kittypretty Baron Join Date: May 2008 Location: Oahu, Hawaii Posts: 697	ok my apologies for the off topic, however it is hard to keep this thread going without input that is pertinent. alot of people in this thread have asked or wondered if there were any changes or adjustments being considered concerning lucky boxes and the some what subpar epic items many have recieved. we as players cannot answer this question, only you NGD can bring us out of the dark on this. thats the question on our minds, and i believe still unanswered..thats all i have to add to this thread. __________________ Taking a break from Regnum due to work leaving me little free time! So my laptop must go for now! (ask me for full details, it is an Alienware Mx18 3rd gen Ivy bridge i73920xm & configured with SLI twin Nvidia 675m, paid 3,330$ asking 2,800$ or 2,400$ + netbook.

01-30-2009, 11:55 AM	#39
_dracus_ Count Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Toulouse Posts: 1,335	From my opinion thoses items totally change the balance. I'm not whining i'm speaking from the good side of the thing. I mean when I look at my hunter armor I feel ashame if I loose a 1 vs 1 against another hunter. I have a beastmaster gear: - helm with +110 mana - pauldrons with + 5 constitution and some resistance stuff - breastplate with +5 constitution and +145 health - leggings with +69 mana and resistance stuff - gauntlet with 3 resistance and armor boost. The breastplate comes from the first lucky box i bought, other stuff come from loot and lucky boxed bought by clan mates. I'm not even speaking of my bows. So I do feel like lucky boxes change the balance of the game. __________________ « Thanks all, you are right I'm great with the barbarian ... for killing mobs. » -- Athena Stillwater

01-29-2009, 05:16 PM	#32
octopus Master Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 251	I was very happy with my two first platinum box items. However, I bought two more, and was not very happy. One item was mediocre, not bad but nothing to get excited about. However, the last one I got was a "Normal" marksman armor item, with nothing but a +1 Constitution. I just don't think that is what I would call "platinum" quality. I won't be buying any more of them unless I hear they have gotten a lot better. I don't expect platinum items to be better than top-quality stuff that can be looted, but I do expect it to be better than normal quality with a +1 in a less-important stat (I would have preferred +Dex, Int, Concentration or Mana over constitution for a marksman).

01-30-2009, 03:04 AM	#34
backe Initiate Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 222	My two cents on the whole issue... There are a lot of people that have noticed that the problem with leveling with boosters is it requires far fewer mobs to level up. Subsequently, people who level with boosters generally find fewer drops and have a bit less money than those that do it for free. While the repair hammers do effectively cover the money lost by warriors that use XP scrolls (much less so for mages and especially archers), the only option to make up for the possibility of receiving beneficial drops is the lucky boxes. As such, my issue is not with the quality of the items received from using the lucky boxes, but with the fact that they cannot be sold for gold and the overall cost of the lucky boxes themselves. Now I know, I know...everyone is going to start posting all the "craptic" items they've gotten from lucky boxes, but before you do, lets think about this for a minute. How many powerful, usable items (and by that, I mean high level, specific to your subclass, and relevant to the way you play your character) have you gotten from drops? I know for myself, I can count the number on one hand in the entire time that I have played this game, and that is across all of my characters. Partly, I imagine that this may be because once I get to 50, the only time I kill mobs is when I have necrostacy or they interfere with combat. But this can only account for so much. That means, almost the entirety of gear that I have comes from generous players, and I am positive that for many of you, this is the same. Given that the items dropped by mobs AND the items from lucky boxes are for the most part, crap, I think the amount of complaints about lucky box item quality are a bit excessive. But then again, this may also be due to the fact that NGD changed the random item generator to increase the chances of less favorable stat bonuses (+1% resistance to slashing, anyone?) at the same time they implemented lucky boxes. Now, about the price of the lucky boxes... This is a bit more difficult to balance. If the price of lucky boxes is decreased, then the balance will tend to swing towards premium users who have used boosters to level. However, if the price is increased, remains the same, then balance obviously favors those that have not leveled with boosters. At the moment, in my opinion, the price of platinum and (especially) gold lucky boxes is far too high. But then again, how many hours of grinding does it take to yield an item that is decent and how does this compare to the number of XP scrolls used in that period of time? A bit off topic 1: I seriously hope that NGD doesn't change the current loot system to increase the chance of getting "decent" items. I know everyone is going to hate me for saying this, but the fact is, I've already done a lot of leveling, and to toss a proverbial bone to all those that are leveling up their characters now would certainly leave those of us out that are, for the most part, done with PvE in Regnum. It would essentially be the same (or maybe even bigger) as when item rewards were added to quests when players have already completed said quests, thus giving them no way to receive the reward. A bit off topic 2: I GREATLY appreciate NGD's responsiveness in the english forums lately. Way to go guys! Edit: Sorry about the long post, but as this greatly effects not just premium users, but the balance of all items in general, I think it is important that we all think about this issue very seriously.

01-30-2009, 03:18 AM	#35
backe Initiate Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 222	sorry....double post from screwed up editing delete me!

01-30-2009, 11:44 AM	#37
makarios68 Count Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: England Posts: 1,300	I think a price reduction is neccessary - the platinum boxes are really expensive. If the items are staying the same, then i think that when you buy a box you should be given a choice from a range of items (say 3 or 4 items). You still might not get what you are looking for, but at least you will feel like you had some choice about what you get. I believe this will create fewer complaints.