(Horus) Realm Balance or Stop New Players in Syrtis - Page 4

_dracus_ · 08-31-2009, 02:32 PM

Well I can't see why Alsius is complaining about trelle. If everyones defend it, it's one of the easiest fort to recapture for Alsius (near the gate and close to the save). I agree that Algaros save isn't so far, but in the otherway Trelle's save is really close to Algaros.

Once again the problem doesn't come from the players, but from the design.

UmarilsStillHere · 08-31-2009, 02:36 PM

On Horus when Alsius trys to take back trele they tend to spawn from the gate rather than the save.

Wodin · 08-31-2009, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Umaril

On Horus when Alsius trys to take back trele they tend to spawn from the gate rather than the save.

Most of the players in Alsius are saved in aggers, so it is easier to spawn at gate, insted of going to save and then come back to war!

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Originally Posted by _dracus_

Well I can't see why Alsius is complaining about trelle. If everyones defend it, it's one of the easiest fort to recapture for Alsius (near the gate and close to the save). I agree that Algaros save isn't so far, but in the otherway Trelle's save is really close to Algaros...

It could have a save inside trelle that it's still very dificult if we try to fight outnumbered in a 5:1 diference

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Originally Posted by _dracus_

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Once again the problem doesn't come from the players, but from the design.

I have to agree on that... once again alsius is losing! I'm sure that the original ideia was to make each realm unique in every way, but on the other hand, its very hard to make them all equal in distances and positions. If you take a close look at the map, Alsius is the most vulnerable realm to invasions. Our castle and aggers is close to ignis, and our teleport to castle is next to trelle, that is also very close to syrtis! At this point, Alsius have better chances at ignis, because they have map well balanced like ours! If Alsius wanna try Eferias, we must run Aggers -> Herb -> Castle, Aggers -> Herb -> Gate -> Teleport -> Castle... and if we wanna change, we have Trelle -> Algaros -> Gate -> Teleport -> Castle.

Maybe someday, this will be take in mind to change! I said this before, and i say again, syrtis warzone should be exactly the oposite of what it is now!

Regards

UmarilsStillHere · 08-31-2009, 03:32 PM

Yes efe should be were Alga is (the surroudning terrain would need to change as well though, bug job...) But if that happened Trele save should also move, as it is treles position gives you the advantage of not having to save as its so near the gate, for Meni/Alga Syrtis/Ignis need to save at the forts nearest save most of the time.

Wodin · 08-31-2009, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Umaril

If we look at the top 5 players ranked by Xp,

#1 Beijing - Ignis
#2 Healerous - Alsius
#3 rami - Ignis
#4 Fcelka Drson - Alsius
#5 rhanya - Alsius

Alsius have 3, these players have over twice the XP you need for 50 (guys your insane) thats a pretty good sample indicator that Alsians are spending a lot of time grinding for no reason other than Drops, Cash, or Fun.

If we look at the top 5 clans on XP

# 1 [err][clan_name][0] - Alsius - 129 - 491.690.714
# 2 Apocalypse - Ignis - 198 - 483817.073
# 3 Inquisition -Syrtis - 160 - 421.900.383
# 4 The Dark Legion -Ignis - 168 -278.253.451
# 5 Forest Guardians - Syrtis - 223 -258.171.955

...

This kind of statistics are right, but you read it wrong :P

1. Alsius have players with high xp... its true... but if you take a close look, you will see that Rhanya and Healerous are players since the day the server opened, and they played for hours on a roll... unfortunatly for Alsius, they have real life issues like jobs to attend, so they dont stay online a lot now. By them, they cannot fight a zerg alone! So, why should they go to war? To die? To give away free rp? They only go, when more people go, to help and to be helped! What is left for them to do??? Grind... Grind... Grind... boring grind!!!!

You can see, that Alsius does not have a single player until 21st place in RP list, and only 2 players show in the all list:

#1 Efrendi Ignis Molok Barbarian 50 114.103
#2 Beijing Ignis Skelics Conjurer 50 96.266
#3 Outlaw Syrtis Wood Elf Marksman 50 91.675
#4 Minamoto Syrtis Wood Elf Marksman 50 84.340
#5 Repoorteht Syrtis Wood Elf Warlock 50 77.383
#6 Tigerious Syrtis Half Elf Barbarian 48 73.699
#7 Rulez Syrtis Half Elf Hunter 50 71.859
#8 Plunder Ignis Dark Elf Warlock 50 63.653
#9 clings Ignis Skelics Marksman 50 62.850
#10 Nightshroud Ignis Dark Elf Conjurer 50 58.999
#11 Braveheart Syrtis Wood Elf Hunter 50 58.155
#12 Biwie Syrtis Wood Elf Hunter 50 57.757
#13 deidra Ignis Molok Hunter 50 55.835
#14 Simon Syrtis Alturian Barbarian 50 52.498
#15 Bloodman Ignis Dark Elf Barbarian 50 52.155
#16 Ratpool Pan Syrtis Alturian Marksman 50 52.005
#17 Wes The Great Ignis Skelics Knight 50 51.816
#18 Sir Mariusz Syrtis Alturian Barbarian 50 51.700
#19 skipio Ignis Molok Barbarian 50 50.595
#20 Isemon Syrtis Wood Elf Conjurer 50 48.252
#21 Enio Alsius Nordo Marksman 50 48.039
#22 Fuerst Ignis Skelics Warlock 50 47.709
#23 I Hate You Ignis Skelics Hunter 50 47.701

#26 rhanya Alsius Nordo Warlock 50 44.051
#27 Prasutagus Syrtis Alturian Barbarian 50 43.262
#28 Panoramix Syrtis Half Elf Hunter 50 42.157
#29 glulose Ignis Dark Elf Barbarian 50 42.006
#30 Jaud Syrtis Alturian Knight 50 41.489

This means, that we dont have numbers to an equal fight!

For the clans... we joined 2 major alsius clans, and we still dont figure in TOP as the most rp clan! Take a look at all clans rp list and tell me how many are there from alsius:

# 1 Inquisition Syrtis 160 757.479
# 2 Apocalypse Ignis 198 688.588
# 3 [err][clan_name][0]Alsius 129 678.099
# 4 Italiani di Syrtis Syrtis 140 620.450
# 5 The Dark Legion Ignis 168 403.199
# 6 Ancestors of Ignis Ignis 20 372.934
# 7 Tèðm þwñíé Ignis 116 319.718
# 8 Alsirian Legion Alsius 50 266.813
# 9 Natural Born Killers Ignis 29 260.502
# 10 Reclamation Syrtis 95 241.507
# 11 Polish Kingdom Syrtis 148 234.400
# 12 Imperial Guard of Ignis Ignis 159 233.802
# 13 Green Army Syrtis 118 220.624
# 14 Forest Guardians Syrtis 223 215.309
# 15 Frozen Flame Alsius 36 193.685
# 16 French Freedom Fighters Syrtis 50 188.651
# 17 Winged Wolf Tavern Alsius 108 183.222
# 18 Death Syrtis 66 170.686
# 19 Berserkers Syrtis 38 151.167
# 20 The White Company Dragoons Syrtis 201 135.406
# 21 Demonic Ignis 337 127.675
# 22 Night Terrorists Alsius 17 117.931
# 23 Frenchies Warriors of Alsius Alsius 159 113.230
# 24 The Sons of Odin Ignis 18 108.762
# 25 Polish Team Ignis 105 101.614
# 26 Tyr's Zorn Alsius 40 100.803
# 27 The Guardians of Power Syrtis 207 88.576
# 28 The Brotherhood of Steel Syrtis 87 88.454
# 29 Indignation Syrtis 114 83.322
# 30 Ignis Ignis 6 64.289

I underlined and colored Tyr´s Zorn Clan to say that this was Alsius best clan at the begining of the server, when all realms had equal numbers, and all the players (except Healerous), gave up to play like 5 or 6 mounths after the server started. Some of them changed to german servers (they were all germans), some others play other games! There was still no invasions when they left the game, and the clan is still in top 30... LOL...

The problem is not the grinding, but the numbers... Give us numbers, and we grind and kill you all at same time!

Regards

UmarilsStillHere · 08-31-2009, 04:10 PM

How exactly can we give you numbers? I have already said Im all for closing syrtis for a bit (so long as the freind invite system I suggested is also added) But I dont think this will happed.

You were the first realm with a new Initiation zone, that hasnt seemed to help much either.

So for now it seems you have to do the best you can with what you have, if 2 players are saying "we will come if you can get a group" odds are there are other players who would also drop the grind and go to war if you got a group up, even 5 or 6 people can take Meni/Alga so go do it! Even 2 or 3 people can be a hunt group, so why do I see so few Alsian hunt groups about?

Even if its running blindly around popular grind spots in the Wz solo there is always something other than grind you could be doing.

Yes old clans/players effect the ranks, my conju was on the Syrtis conju ranks for about 4 months after I ditched him before he was pushed off, and he only had about 3krp, But unless NGD give out real numbers on how many players there are in each realm maybe in a line chart showing over a 7 days. The ranks are realy the best we have to work with.

ArchmagusArcana · 08-31-2009, 06:58 PM

Meh, whatever reasons there are, whatever led up to it, the fact remains taht 20/24 hours of the day we dont have numbers equal to other realms. Does NGD care? Maybe. Does it matter? Not really. The game that i used to love just isnt really a lot of fun anymore. Between the grinding, the class imbalance, all the goddamn items that people use to make up for lack of skill (and who is going to get those? The realm with more players as the chance to drop increases by the amount of people trying to drop). Im not really trying to say anything in this post other than the game is not nearly as fun as it used to be. Long time players seem to leave a lot, people who spend time and money to grind a warrior to 50 only to see it completely FUBAR dont have the energy or inclination to grind another character.

This is just another aspect of the game that is detrimental for everyone. Having a zerg in one realm and not even having enough to defend one lousy keep some days in another.....Its not really fun to always (or at least most of the time) be outnumbered, or have so many players that its not even a challenge. Its just one more thing pissing people off. If im on, even on an alt, i will relog to my lock when our forts are attacked, most of us high levels that have alts (at least in my clan) do the same.

Im not trying to pick on anyone in or any realm in particular (in this particular post at least), im just frustrated as hell at these last few updates and seriously considering leaving, for this and so many other reasons. I dont want to, and if i do im sure it wont be for good, but the old mystique and charm that this game once had is missing, at least for me.

Malik2 · 08-31-2009, 07:26 PM

2 things.

First Klutu is correct. Getting to lvl 30 is much easier in Syrtis than in Alsius. And good luck finding anyone in Mont...That place is tough.

Second, there are some morons and RP whores who only attack Trelle and Aggers. You can't get them out of there. To my fellow Syrtians I ask you to mix it up and stop beating a dead horse. Don't be a bunch of deushe bags. I really don't get the fascination.

Jippy · 08-31-2009, 07:32 PM

Nice to hear from a Syrtian... You grad yet? Hope you like your new barb gear...

Klutu · 08-31-2009, 08:21 PM

yeah like prom said there are some savage Rp whores in Syrtis that can totally destroy team play to just get 1 extra rp

Also

i enjoyed some tasty bad karma signed i should spend more time in game then on forums whining you traitor.

it but sadly to get anything done you have to point out the obvious and try to offer a solution to fix the issue.

08-31-2009, 02:32 PM	#31
_dracus_ Count Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Toulouse Posts: 1,335	Well I can't see why Alsius is complaining about trelle. If everyones defend it, it's one of the easiest fort to recapture for Alsius (near the gate and close to the save). I agree that Algaros save isn't so far, but in the otherway Trelle's save is really close to Algaros. Once again the problem doesn't come from the players, but from the design. __________________ « Thanks all, you are right I'm great with the barbarian ... for killing mobs. » -- Athena Stillwater

08-31-2009, 02:36 PM	#32
UmarilsStillHere Marquis Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: England Posts: 2,419	On Horus when Alsius trys to take back trele they tend to spawn from the gate rather than the save. __________________ Faith 50 Barb Faithless 50 Lock Umaril 45 Conju Kailas 45 Marks Pel 45 Knight I N Q U I S I T I O N

08-31-2009, 03:32 PM	#34
UmarilsStillHere Marquis Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: England Posts: 2,419	Yes efe should be were Alga is (the surroudning terrain would need to change as well though, bug job...) But if that happened Trele save should also move, as it is treles position gives you the advantage of not having to save as its so near the gate, for Meni/Alga Syrtis/Ignis need to save at the forts nearest save most of the time. __________________ Faith 50 Barb Faithless 50 Lock Umaril 45 Conju Kailas 45 Marks Pel 45 Knight I N Q U I S I T I O N

08-31-2009, 04:10 PM	#36
UmarilsStillHere Marquis Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: England Posts: 2,419	How exactly can we give you numbers? I have already said Im all for closing syrtis for a bit (so long as the freind invite system I suggested is also added) But I dont think this will happed. You were the first realm with a new Initiation zone, that hasnt seemed to help much either. So for now it seems you have to do the best you can with what you have, if 2 players are saying "we will come if you can get a group" odds are there are other players who would also drop the grind and go to war if you got a group up, even 5 or 6 people can take Meni/Alga so go do it! Even 2 or 3 people can be a hunt group, so why do I see so few Alsian hunt groups about? Even if its running blindly around popular grind spots in the Wz solo there is always something other than grind you could be doing. Yes old clans/players effect the ranks, my conju was on the Syrtis conju ranks for about 4 months after I ditched him before he was pushed off, and he only had about 3krp, But unless NGD give out real numbers on how many players there are in each realm maybe in a line chart showing over a 7 days. The ranks are realy the best we have to work with. __________________ Faith 50 Barb Faithless 50 Lock Umaril 45 Conju Kailas 45 Marks Pel 45 Knight I N Q U I S I T I O N

08-31-2009, 06:58 PM	#37
ArchmagusArcana Master Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 357	Meh, whatever reasons there are, whatever led up to it, the fact remains taht 20/24 hours of the day we dont have numbers equal to other realms. Does NGD care? Maybe. Does it matter? Not really. The game that i used to love just isnt really a lot of fun anymore. Between the grinding, the class imbalance, all the goddamn items that people use to make up for lack of skill (and who is going to get those? The realm with more players as the chance to drop increases by the amount of people trying to drop). Im not really trying to say anything in this post other than the game is not nearly as fun as it used to be. Long time players seem to leave a lot, people who spend time and money to grind a warrior to 50 only to see it completely FUBAR dont have the energy or inclination to grind another character. This is just another aspect of the game that is detrimental for everyone. Having a zerg in one realm and not even having enough to defend one lousy keep some days in another.....Its not really fun to always (or at least most of the time) be outnumbered, or have so many players that its not even a challenge. Its just one more thing pissing people off. If im on, even on an alt, i will relog to my lock when our forts are attacked, most of us high levels that have alts (at least in my clan) do the same. Im not trying to pick on anyone in or any realm in particular (in this particular post at least), im just frustrated as hell at these last few updates and seriously considering leaving, for this and so many other reasons. I dont want to, and if i do im sure it wont be for good, but the old mystique and charm that this game once had is missing, at least for me. __________________ Alsirian Legion Horus: Wulfgar Heartsfang 50 barb: Arcan Heartsfang 50 Lock RA: Drakonklenok 50 Knight

08-31-2009, 07:26 PM	#38
Malik2 Initiate Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Oregon Posts: 219	2 things. First Klutu is correct. Getting to lvl 30 is much easier in Syrtis than in Alsius. And good luck finding anyone in Mont...That place is tough. Second, there are some morons and RP whores who only attack Trelle and Aggers. You can't get them out of there. To my fellow Syrtians I ask you to mix it up and stop beating a dead horse. Don't be a bunch of deushe bags. I really don't get the fascination. __________________ Ulixes Wolfhair Hunter of Syrtis...Horus and Ra- The White Company

08-31-2009, 07:32 PM	#39
Jippy Initiate Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Any place that has beer Posts: 179	Nice to hear from a Syrtian... You grad yet? Hope you like your new barb gear...

08-31-2009, 08:21 PM	#40
Klutu Baron Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 714	yeah like prom said there are some savage Rp whores in Syrtis that can totally destroy team play to just get 1 extra rp Also i enjoyed some tasty bad karma signed i should spend more time in game then on forums whining you traitor. it but sadly to get anything done you have to point out the obvious and try to offer a solution to fix the issue. __________________ Ramsli Klutu