Warjurers?

[Zale]

People play how they want to not how we want them to...

Warjus will warju, i dont think this is that much of a problem and wouldn't discourage anyone from doing it.. There will (likely) be more conjus that warjus. Its only as problem if there are so many warjus you can't find anyone to heal you.

[Nysander]

Originally Posted by dani-o

there can be more than 10 other plyers too, i jus wanted to ilustrate, the way i see things, and i thought it was a cool example, of course i live in a country where everybody loves "futbol" (soccer)

i know that healing its a privilege, traking its a privilege, onslaught its a privilege, everything that could help the group its a privilege, Unfortunately, the self-sufficiency of the conjurators, has made some of them a bit selfish in the sense that everyone needs someone else to heal them, except the person who heals. that causes that they feel empowered to deny someone cures or directly deny them the whole group, without being affected them individually, and not accept criticism of any kind.

are you telling me that if my setup does not fulfill your needs, that's selfish by my side? When was the last time a conjurer told you how to play your non-conjurer characters or which skills you should have in your setup? this is an old argument going around for ages. in my POV, some people really would like to see mental, summons and sm removed and make conjurers an human assisted heal bot. but that's off-topic, i guess.

if you see so many warjurers in wz, that setup works for them and it's worth a try, but to any noob reading this: you can re-skill your conju as much as you want. Try any setup you can think of until you find which ones matches your gameplay and is suited to the situation at hand. I PVP with one setup, PVE with another, fight in my realm forts with another and fight in other realms forts and castles with another.

[ncvr]

Originally Posted by Nysander

are you telling me that if my setup does not fulfill your needs, that's selfish by my side?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe what he said was "the fact that warjus do not need to rely on other classes for heals has made some warjus selfish".

IMO warjus should be able to play how they want, but no one in their right mind can deny the fact that in a large fort war, a support or hybrid conju is significantly more effective than a fully offensive warju. You can make whatever arguments you want about people being able to play how they want (and I agree with them) but that does not change the facts.

[_dracus_]

What is wrong in warjuring ? It's about playing alone, it's very good setup for PvP or 2vs2, but don't come to a fort fight to go warjuring and expect people to play with you or even be nice with you. You are a BURDEN to others, not an help.

[NotScias]

I have played the both sides.
From the beggining I played warju and for a very long time (SM first, then Mental). Now I (definately) turned on support since a few months, since I have a warlock for warring.
I think that those blaming the warjurers are wrong and don't know why some conjurers choose this way.

Warjuring is fun, really more fun than trying to select people to heal them. You feel powerful, defenseful, you don't fear the hunters nor Confuse, and you can deal versus almost any class. And you can have fun alone, you can go hunt if there is no action, while on support you will always need people to have "fun".
Support is very boring compared to. Because it's a pain to select properly people, a lot of support spells have been nerfed and you experience a very hard mana hunger. Add it the hunters dragging their giant pets in the middle of the crowd so you can't select people, add it the (douchebags) warriors barking everytime "MANA ! HEAL ! REZ ME FAST !" and spamming you with party/chat invites when they are finally dead. On support, I feel defenseless, I feel like a slave, like a heal/mana bot. I always stay back because I'm scared of the confuse and the dizzies. If even a very noob lvl 30 hunter ambushes me alone, I'm dead for sure.

Then, I don't understand why some are saying that warjurers have a "wrong setup", are "not using their class at its full potential", that they are "errors"...
What is a Conjurer ? Basically a Mage having extra trees.
What use a Mage? Mental and Staff Mastery.
What use a Warjurer ? Mental and/or Staff Mastery.
So Warjurer = Mage. That's it. And where is it written that Mages aren't an offensive class ? Where is it written that you can't use only the main class trees ?

Then, saying that warjurers are useless for RvR ? I think it's wrong.
(Mental) Warjurers are warlocks' nightmares because of the very evil Silence spell (lvl 5 = 15s) plus Beetle Swarm (9s) diabling them completely,
Warjurers have ton of CC spells (including beetle swarm who works in all cases) to protect allies against rushing warriors.
When enemy is at door, Warjurers have very great areas :
Evendim's Fury 5 (ignores defense, 650 mana burnt to damage),
Blaze 5, 500ish fire damage, Cooldown 10s !!,
Time Master, very useful if well used,
Tremor, Dizzy area.

So no... There is no reason to blame the warjus, since there's plenty of reasons to flee the support side of the class. In one side, support is boring and painful, in the other, warjuring is fun and easy.
But where's the fault ?
Maybe NGD who just nerfed more and more the Conjurer class ? Who knows...

Warjus are part of the game, and NGD knows it. So what's the point of the Possess spell then ?
So stop blaming them (you are just blaming mostly frustrated ex-support conjurers) and be nicer to the Support Conjurers, and maybe you will see more support conjurers in your side.

[WhateverUSMC]

Originally Posted by Shining-Scias

Support is very boring compared to. Because it's a pain to select properly people, a lot of support spells have been nerfed and you experience a very hard mana hunger. Add it the hunters dragging their giant pets in the middle of the crowd so you can't select people, add it the (douchebags) warriors barking everytime "MANA ! HEAL ! REZ ME FAST !" and spamming you with party/chat invites when they are finally dead. On support, I feel defenseless, I always stay back because I'm scared of the confuse and the dizzies. If even a very noob lvl 30 hunter ambushes me alone, I'm dead for sure.

+12,345 for this. These reasons are the ones that explain why you rarely see pure support conjs nowadays. I don't roll as a warju (once in a while I'll skill for a zarkit, out of boredom really), but I can totally understand why some choose to.

These reasons are also a big part of why I can usually be found on my warlock. Warlocks are fun.

Triage is not.

[Heru]

im agree with you Scias (first time).
thats exactly why conjurer are fun, and yeah if my group need extra support i just reskill.

[_dracus_]

Originally Posted by Shining-Scias

Warjuring is fun, really more fun than trying to select people to heal them. You feel powerful, defenseful, you don't fear the hunters nor Confuse, and you can deal versus almost any class. And you can have fun alone, you can go hunt if there is no action, while on support you will always need people to have "fun".

From my experience as a warlock, warjuror are just a huge joke, because of the range warlock wins easy generally. Remember that warlock can have pretty nice war setup with still mental at 17. Which means a meteor chained with beetle and silence and the warlock can even take the time to steal the summon.

I'm not from horus, so I don't know how war is on your server, but I really feel under powered with a class that have only range 25 skills for a ranged class vs archers (that mostly goes parabolic, and warlocks that trigger terrors from 34m).

As for the fun comparing to other games conjuror are not too bad as healers, but still not quite close to what a real support class should be able to do.