Horus: Alsius New Clan for Training [AoA] - Page 4

Henri_Freundlich · 06-09-2010, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Klutu

haha Comp owes me 5$

I said soon as i posted on this thread Ulrin would of came in with a smug comment & screenshots :P

Smug comment? Yeah, Right. Not my fault you can't decipher my message. Also, don't be ridiculous. Compost owes you nothing - informally or otherwise.

Screenshots - no further comments. Readers can go look themselves if they want.

Grinding - from my own experience, clans are definitely not needed for pure grinding. As long as the Grind Parties are publicized - advertised a few times in Realm Chat, newcomers should be able to easily locate grind parties. That's how I found grinding parties - and met decent folks in-game.

Vultureman, The Sweetness, Elli, flogger, Windrium, Ares, Healer-Myth and Torin Ironfist were among the first group of people I found myself grinding with, and chatting. Though I've had a few people briefly help me before with quests etc - Kianoni, Sydonay, Ogre...

Then naturally found myself grinding with other decent people - with potential and pro-Community - like Archangel, Rohan Knight, Sparta, Urizen, Durwyn, Erok, Asdaf Mage, Klos, Anyriand, Knekeloveste, Castingbeast, Falcorn Bosso, Kyrottimus, Bluie, Lly'ra, Veer Gupt, Simlis... Just off the top of my head (apologies if I left someone out).

All those individuals discovered, on my own, without being pulled into a "pro-grinding" clan.

- Will AoA work? Yes and No - based on all the feedback I've read so far. While it may well give MMO newcomers the necessary, basic cognitive skills of analyzing the battlefield and casting the right spells at the right time, it also has the potential to promote Elitism and Favouritism - two unacceptable concepts from the Real World that hinders real progress and real competition. Not to mention the possible anti-invasion messages that they may hand out...

Quoting Prokofy Neva (yes, I like using Prokofy's blog posts as references - a lot - since her posts are often right on point):

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[Favouritism], which you can think of as "the kool kids" or "the jocks and cheerleaders" or "the inside dopes" or however you called it in your high-school or your office, where perhaps you rage and gnash your teeth at the fact that people who seem to do less work or have less talent or even less fabulousness than you still get ahead through connections, favour-banks, or sleeping their way to the top. Or even if they DO deserve their spot in the Hall of Fame, because they DO work their asses off and DO have talent, you feel, but wait...what about the people with no talent? What about justice? What about fairness? I work hard, too!

Three possible pathways, in a nutshell.

One. The program is a success, with at least some of the issues I mentioned dissolved.

Two. Mild success, with rampant Favouritism and Elitism. Which in turn ruins other clans, gameplay etc.

Three. Miserable failure, for some reason.

When I wrote "Best of Luck" earlier, I really meant it, in a non-cynical way. Managing communities isn't easy; managing young children is hard. Managing young'uns AND discouraging unacceptable practices such as Favouritism and Elitism is harder - something Compost may be able to achieve. Doubt his counterpart/partner-in-crime is capable, though.
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Vythica · 06-09-2010, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Shwish

so by saying they doing this just to increase thier rp ratio is just a mindless malicious stab in the dark in order to spark an arguement.

You're 100% right. I think I said that. That being said, you can't train someone in Regnum. Experience comes from getting your ass kicked repeatedly. Then you start to figure out what spells work to counter others etc etc.

90% of this game is knowing how your opponent plays. Like, I know for a fact that if I land an MS on Klutu, he'll run, if I kill Compost's pet, he'll run. I know that Stooge will stand there taking hit after hit as long as he has arrows and a conju or nine to heal him. I know that Llayne uses Def roar 4, and that Smurv's attacks are all based around CC and spears. Everybody can figure out how to follow a zerg and hit a door. That's all there is to RO, that and learning how to kick specific player's asses. That's the key.

Sorry but Compost's boot camp for Alsius noobs can't teach that.

Vythica · 06-09-2010, 08:33 AM

Sorry for the double post, but +1 to Ulrin. Agree completely.

VandaMan · 06-09-2010, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Vythica

Experience comes from getting your ass kicked repeatedly. Then you start to figure out what spells work to counter others etc etc.

Unless you're me, I've just always been pr0.

Comp · 06-09-2010, 12:10 PM

Well, regardless of what the two nay-sayers may think or feel....we are still trying this out.

Optimistic: If this works, awesome there's a nice place to grind (or find grinding groups) and a nice place to learn some tactics where questions are answered through the forum, irc, and clans chats. Alsius will get more higher level players faster because the boredom of grinding is a bit negated by having a group to do it with. I don't know about you all...but finding a group to grind with in Alsius has always been difficult....you typically see our grinders struggling to grind alone. Alsius will also get the benefit of having these grinders trained a bit on warfare.

Pessimistic: If this doesn't work....nothing is lost. The term "You don't know until you try" applies here. We are trying this regardless of the trolls that exist under the forum bridge.

Good News: We have members from other clans that have asked us if they can help - of course the answer is yes. All help is welcome and we appreciated any effort. The guys that leave AoA have their choice of ANY clan in the Realm....and I can only hope that the wealth of what can be learned in AoA is spread through all the clans...not just Ascendancy.

Now, can this carry on in a mature manner? Don't know that is up to a few of the posters in here simply trying to troll for argument or feed their superiority complexes....whatever the case may be.

Lets keep it positive...even criticism can be positive.

Vythica · 06-09-2010, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Solarus

Lets keep it positive...even criticism can be positive.

I'm positively sure this will fall on it's ass.

I'm not nay-saying. I'm telling the truth. Everyone always wants people to agree with them, but some people's lot in life is to be the rude, unmerciful, painful, harsh, and more often than not truthful, reality check. My previous post is probably one of the clearest breakdowns of what is needed to be successful in RO. Teach that at Compost/Sun Tzu's school for hairy people. Vyth's philosophy of War 101.

HuntShot · 06-09-2010, 01:00 PM

Ascendancy spells Acolyte wrong, everytime I see someone he is an Ackolyte
Weird enough.

Comp · 06-09-2010, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by HuntShot

Ascendancy spells Acolyte wrong, everytime I see someone he is an Ackolyte
Weird enough.

You made me check it out - if they were misspelled before they aren't now since that rank doesn't exist. But thanks regardless....

blood-raven · 06-09-2010, 01:30 PM

i tried this with my clan to, that's why we train in the arena some of the times, to see our tactics, this can work if everybody listens to each other, also go on a hunt together, best is by 2 so you notice how your tactics fit with other members, i had a fight ones with a polish lock (to bad i forgot he's name) and we where the ideal of cooperation, without a sultar we kicked back 3 ignis attacks with 5-4 players, but in my clan i can cooperate best with bloodmage and time-to-die, we did great in alsius

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but in the longrun when you start to know each others battle style you can easely addept and cooperate very good.

so let noone tell you that tactics are not worth looking in to!

regards

Fiver · 06-09-2010, 05:05 PM

I for one think this has great merit for any realm. I would suggest that as a requirement have all grind parties lvl 30 and above in the warzone.....GET SOME!!!

Take your beating and learn under fire, help your realm.

Teaching how to grind in a party is huge, not doing to much dmg and stealing exp and using to much mana straining your conj. =]

06-09-2010, 08:33 AM	#33
Vythica Pledge Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: In the closet. Posts: 40	Sorry for the double post, but +1 to Ulrin. Agree completely. __________________ Resurrected.

06-09-2010, 12:10 PM	#35
Comp Count Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Jippy's Mom's House Posts: 1,286	Well, regardless of what the two nay-sayers may think or feel....we are still trying this out. Optimistic: If this works, awesome there's a nice place to grind (or find grinding groups) and a nice place to learn some tactics where questions are answered through the forum, irc, and clans chats. Alsius will get more higher level players faster because the boredom of grinding is a bit negated by having a group to do it with. I don't know about you all...but finding a group to grind with in Alsius has always been difficult....you typically see our grinders struggling to grind alone. Alsius will also get the benefit of having these grinders trained a bit on warfare. Pessimistic: If this doesn't work....nothing is lost. The term "You don't know until you try" applies here. We are trying this regardless of the trolls that exist under the forum bridge. Good News: We have members from other clans that have asked us if they can help - of course the answer is yes. All help is welcome and we appreciated any effort. The guys that leave AoA have their choice of ANY clan in the Realm....and I can only hope that the wealth of what can be learned in AoA is spread through all the clans...not just Ascendancy. Now, can this carry on in a mature manner? Don't know that is up to a few of the posters in here simply trying to troll for argument or feed their superiority complexes....whatever the case may be. Lets keep it positive...even criticism can be positive. __________________ Compost (60 Hunter) Alsius Compoundious (Dead and gone...)

06-09-2010, 01:30 PM	#39
blood-raven Master Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Belgium Posts: 561	i tried this with my clan to, that's why we train in the arena some of the times, to see our tactics, this can work if everybody listens to each other, also go on a hunt together, best is by 2 so you notice how your tactics fit with other members, i had a fight ones with a polish lock (to bad i forgot he's name) and we where the ideal of cooperation, without a sultar we kicked back 3 ignis attacks with 5-4 players, but in my clan i can cooperate best with bloodmage and time-to-die, we did great in alsius. but in the longrun when you start to know each others battle style you can easely addept and cooperate very good. so let noone tell you that tactics are not worth looking in to! regards __________________ SHAKE IT LIKE A POLAR BEAR NINJA

06-09-2010, 05:05 PM	#40
Fiver Apprentice Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 50	+1 I for one think this has great merit for any realm. I would suggest that as a requirement have all grind parties lvl 30 and above in the warzone.....GET SOME!!! Take your beating and learn under fire, help your realm. Teaching how to grind in a party is huge, not doing to much dmg and stealing exp and using to much mana straining your conj. =]

06-09-2010, 01:00 PM	#37
HuntShot Banned Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 468	Ascendancy spells Acolyte wrong, everytime I see someone he is an Ackolyte Weird enough.