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[Minorian]

Originally Posted by Kyrottimus

If you really want to apply balance in this particular scenario, Aysor and Koronton (sic?) should both drop level 50 weapons with similar damage potential (not necessarily for barbs either) to Satarco's Sword. At least then you'd be able to compare apples to apples, so to speak, and thus approach an avenue towards balance.

If Ignis could get Satarco sword I'd be grinding a barb like a bitch.

I think Satarco/Aysor/Krontaron should all drop these...

A <insert appropriate name> sword (same as Satarco sword)

A <insert appropriate name> shield maybe 210+6 armor with normal to everything and 5 consti?

A <insert appropriate name> long bow, maybe a dummed down version of eve bow?

A <insert appropriate name> short bow, I really have no idea about short bows.

Make all the drops go to the appropriate class, so if a knight is chosen to drop he gets shield, archer gets lb or sb (maybe give them a choice?) and barbs get sword.

Note that I left out staffs for mages, mainly because no mages even use boss staffs, its all about cast speed, and a boss cast speed staff would be insanely OP.

[_Nel_]

About the legendary myth of the Satarco's sword:
the 2nd most powerful level 50 barb sword in the game.

It can do as good damage as crappy damage, mainly because of its too wide damage range. When you expect a SC(5) with 1600 damage and you get 1150, you are a bit disappointed.

Here is my axe, it does more stable damage, so I can rely much more in it. I don't use Satarco's sword, even if I can.



If you want to compare 2 weapons, you have to take into account the average, not only the max.
Satarco's Sword: 306.5-436.5 = average of 371.5 (+/- 17.5%)
Kyrottimus' Sword: 341-426 = average of 383.5 (+/- 11%)
Valhalla's Axe: 336-428 = average of 382 (+/- 12%)

Your weapon and my axe do more damage than Satarco's sword and are not even magical nor epic.
And as an old barbarian, I assume I don't need to explain you +10 damage don't make a better barbarian.

Concerning drop rate, in 1.5 years I never droped a Satarco's sword. I can't count how many times I tried (maybe 40-50x), perhaps I'm a bit unlucky.

Anyway, if NGD can provide a Satarco's sword copy to other realms, I'll be happy. But keep in mind it won't turn you into an uber-barbarian.

EDIT:
I did some fast tests on Amun with Satarco's sword and my axe. Sure, it's not reliable but it can give you a taste of what does this sword compared to my axe.
I used only accurate swing (5) + Berserk (5) + South Cross (5)/normal hit.





SC5 with Satarco sword: from 1221 to 1563
SC5 with 2H Dragon Axe: from 1412 to 1649

[Kyrottimus]

Originally Posted by _Nel_

About the legendary myth of the Satarco's sword:
the 2nd most powerful level 50 barb sword in the game.

It can do as good damage as crappy damage, mainly because of its too wide damage range. When you expect a SC(5) with 1600 damage and you get 1150, you are a bit disappointed.

Here is my axe, it does more stable damage, so I can rely much more in it. I don't use Satarco's sword, even if I can.

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/8...0071719123.png

If you want to compare 2 weapons, you have to take into account the average, not only the max.
Satarco's Sword: 306.5-436.5 = average of 371.5 (+/- 17.5%)
Kyrottimus' Sword: 341-426 = average of 383.5 (+/- 11%)
Valhalla's Axe: 336-428 = average of 382 (+/- 12%)

Your weapon and my axe do more damage than Satarco's sword and are not even magical nor epic.
And as an old barbarian, I assume I don't need to explain you +10 damage don't make a better barbarian.

Concerning drop rate, in 1.5 years I never droped a Satarco's sword. I can't count how many times I tried (maybe 40-50x), perhaps I'm a bit unlucky.

Anyway, if NGD can provide a Satarco's sword copy to other realms, I'll be happy. But keep in mind it won't turn you into an uber-barbarian.

EDIT:
I did some fast tests on Amun with Satarco's sword and my axe. Sure, it's not reliable but it can give you a taste of what does this sword compared to my axe.
I used only accurate swing (5) + Berserk (5) + South Cross (5)/normal hit.

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/9...0071720403.jpg

http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/9...0071720425.jpg

SC5 with Satarco sword: from 1221 to 1563
SC5 with 2H Dragon Axe: from 1412 to 1649

In fairness the bare-bones satarco sword does not come socketed, but if you did socket it (as both your axe and my sword are), and stick a +14 blunt gem in it like I have in my blade, you get a damage range of:


320.5-450.5

With Satarco's Sword w/ +14 blunt gem, the new averages would look like:

Satarco's Sword: 320.5-450.5 = average of 385.5
Kyrottimus' Sword: 341-426 = average of 383.5
Valhalla's Axe: 336-428 = average of 382

[_Nel_]

And what do you want to prove with +3.5 damage (+0.9% ) ...I assume you're joking.

You have a barb weapon approximatively the same as Satarco, I have the same, Tigerious has the same (an axe too), Lumi had the same, etc.

I have found 3 other slashing weapons that can do the same damage as satarco's sword, but with a far better damage range without doing any ... "intensive" search.
I hate trading, I'm not an item whore, so I don't know what is passed around in my realm. But I'm pretty sure you can find a magical or an epic barb slashing weapon far better than that.
It's not like satarco is "the 2nd most powerful level 50 barb sword in the game" that no one can get except a syrtis player.

... and no, Syrtis is not filled of Satarco's swords all over the place.

[Minorian]

Originally Posted by _Nel_

... and no, Syrtis is not filled of Satarco's swords all over the place.

Obviously not, but it's alot considering NO ONE AT ALL uses any inner boss things in Ignis/Alsius.

[_Nel_]

Yes, I agree Satarco's sword is a good weapon better than Krontaron's or Aysor's item, but my point is to say it's not the holy grail as Kyrottimus want us to believe.

[Minorian]

Originally Posted by _Nel_

Yes, I agree Satarco's sword is a good weapon better than Krontaron's or Aysor's item, but my point is to say it's not the holy grail as Kyrottimus want us to believe.

With a 7% as gem, 2 RoL's, and some as legs it really would be But then again any sword would be

[power-digital14]

hmm itensX? or items...

[Kyrottimus]

Originally Posted by _Nel_

And what do you want to prove with +3.5 damage (+0.9% ) ...I assume you're joking.

I'm not. It is far more accessible to the general syrtis barb population than good barb weapons are in Alsius.

And it's not just the higher average (which I know is only +3.5) but look at max potential damage: 450.5 over 426.

That's 24.5 more in this max scenario, which is fairly significant (especially adding in things that only Syrtis, so far, has had access to: DS rings)

You have a barb weapon approximatively the same as Satarco, I have the same, Tigerious has the same (an axe too), Lumi had the same, etc.

I have found 3 other slashing weapons that can do the same damage as satarco's sword, but with a far better damage range without doing any ... "intensive" search.

Lucky you, from the inquiries I've made I've not run into many that have decent 2h slashing weapons. Klutu and Jippy round out that list in Alsius from those I know who have something considered "Good" in the damage department for 2h slow slashing weapons.

I hate trading, I'm not an item whore, so I don't know what is passed around in my realm. But I'm pretty sure you can find a magical or an epic barb slashing weapon far better than that.
It's not like satarco is "the 2nd most powerful level 50 barb sword in the game" that no one can get except a syrtis player.

I hate trading too, I've gone through so many hoops to get the sword I have currently. TBH I'd rather be able to camp a boss with a few friends for awhile and kill him over and over till we're all satisfied with drops than have to trade away half my inventory for a sword that can't even outdamage Satarco's.

And for the record, Satarco's Sword is the 2nd most powerful level 50 slow barb sword in the game that a boss drops. It's not a boss that spawns every day or 3 days but ever 30 minutes or an hour or something like that.

...which means is readily accessible to those who seek it; they know where to look and how to get one.

... and no, Syrtis is not filled of Satarco's swords all over the place.

Someone told me, that before the stash system, one of their clans had 42 of them in their bank. Could be rumor, but tbh it would not surprise me if that were true.

[_Nel_]

Originally Posted by Kyrottimus

I'm not. It is far more accessible to the general syrtis barb population than good barb weapons are in Alsius.

Again, it's better than a store-bought weapon but not the holy grail.

Originally Posted by Kyrottimus

And it's not just the higher average (which I know is only +3.5) but look at max potential damage: 450.5 over 426.

That's 24.5 more in this max scenario, which is fairly significant (especially adding in things that only Syrtis, so far, has had access to: DS rings)

Look at min potential damage... stop being stubborn with your max damage. You never hit at max every time.
Even its max damage sucks compared to a 2H-axe, I don't know why. I did better damage with my 2H-axe without gem.

Originally Posted by Kyrottimus

Lucky you, from the inquiries I've made I've not run into many that have decent 2h slashing weapons. Klutu and Jippy round out that list in Alsius from those I know who have something considered "Good" in the damage department for 2h slow slashing weapons.

You didn't make much effort, try harder. I gave you a new lead with Lumi.

Originally Posted by Kyrottimus

I hate trading too, I've gone through so many hoops to get the sword I have currently. TBH I'd rather be able to camp a boss with a few friends for awhile and kill him over and over till we're all satisfied with drops than have to trade away half my inventory for a sword that can't even outdamage Satarco's.

And for the record, Satarco's Sword is the 2nd most powerful level 50 slow barb sword in the game that a boss drops. It's not a boss that spawns every day or 3 days but ever 30 minutes or an hour or something like that.

I also did the "boss camping" at Satarco, he respawns every 3 hours. But after 10 times, you get bored of this crappy boss, getting his eye, his finger, his foot or any stupid thing else. And you end by trying it only once or twice per month when you go from Vesper to warzone.

Originally Posted by Kyrottimus

...which means is readily accessible to those who seek it; they know where to look and how to get one.

Ask to most syrtis players, they will tell you how Satarco's sword sucks unless it's compared to a store-bought weapon. No one bother to give you a hand to kill Satarco unless he's very close.

Originally Posted by Kyrottimus

Someone told me, that before the stash system, one of their clans had 42 of them in their bank. Could be rumor, but tbh it would not surprise me if that were true.

In our bank we had 2 good 2H-axes and 1 good Claymore but not a single Satarco's sword. We weren't able to drop one. Tbh it would not surprise me if that guy were kidding you.