marksman's blood

[_Enio_]

Originally Posted by GIO879

Yeah yeah a great archer we r' lucky to have one, try to have this set up a and comeback here to speak about that ... I m very curious
i have 340 000 rp don't try to learn me how to play please ....
check the stats of Ra server

You think RP has any connection to skill?^^

I agree, marks needs some fun stuff on Amun, but showing off how "good" you are by RP count is just an insa-loss

[frank1216]

But why are marksman forced to got tricks?
I have not chosen marksman for tricks!
And lightning arrow is a joke as 'ultimate spell', it's lots of mana (1/3 for normal mana marks at level 1, nearly 1/2 at level 5).
And when you also add caltrops it is 950 mana for just 2 spells and that is more then 3/4 of the normal mana a marks has...
With only normals (rech arrows) you have nearly no mana left at the end.
So, without resists/evades you have won, but when there are just a few evades or 1 resist you're normally dead.

And yea, I say this because I love the marksman class, I have played it all my regnum time and that is AFTER 'the nerf' (came from tyr time) so I just know the time where marks who are not ubergeared are just a lot less usefull then hunters...

[doppelapfel]

But why are marksman forced to got tricks?
I have not chosen marksman for tricks!

You are not forced to use them. They arent that important in war (beside a lvl 3 ambush or dizzy sometimes), you can also be effective with a full dmg and range and def setup. Tricks are mainly for smaller fights, pvps and those who want to play with them.

And lightning arrow is a joke as 'ultimate spell', it's lots of mana (1/3 for normal mana marks at level 1, nearly 1/2 at level 5).
And when you also add caltrops it is 950 mana for just 2 spells and that is more then 3/4 of the normal mana a marks has...
With only normals (rech arrows) you have nearly no mana left at the end.

my marks is lvl 44, got 45 mana on gear and the passiv dex 1, dmg amu and rings and all in all more than 1,2k so its not as bad as you said. If both hit you can use the rest of your mana and win.

i know that marks dont have a real role atm but i like mine anyway (without any uberstuff), i didnt say that marks are fine atm, i just said it is much easier now to kill a barb.

[Shwish]

by having at least 17 tricks, you're sacrificing a small percentage of your damage but you're getting a whole lot more to compensate for that. in a fort war a 17-tricks marksman might not be as useful but in an open field or 1on1 or even 2+on1, a marksman with high tricks can be godly.

you wont be able to perv over your 450 normals anymore but thats not such a big deal

[blood-raven]

Originally Posted by Shwish

you wont be able to perv over your 450 normals anymore but thats not such a big deal

can you? o.O damn my med 30.

anyway, tricks are awsome, i always put ambush on 3 in my standard setup, can help you out a lot, also winter (not in tricks but...) is very handy as a hit 'n' run spell, BoW is a must have to tackle enemy locks, you won't get credit for it but with a succesfull BoW you can save your friends from an instant death. (at least for the duration of the spell).

but: i would want to propose (what, i think i've done earlier) to lower the cs of BoW cause now it's impossible to cope with the insane cast speed of a lock, even when you started casting BoW just before the lock starts casting sultar, you mostly will get hit by sultar first.

regards

[Topogigio_BR]

Originally Posted by blood-raven

can you? o.O damn my med 30.

anyway, tricks are awsome, i always put ambush on 3 in my standard setup, can help you out a lot, also winter (not in tricks but...) is very handy as a hit 'n' run spell, BoW is a must have to tackle enemy locks, you won't get credit for it but with a succesfull BoW you can save your friends from an instant death. (at least for the duration of the spell).

but: i would want to propose (what, i think i've done earlier) to lower the cs of BoW cause now it's impossible to cope with the insane cast speed of a lock, even when you started casting BoW just before the lock starts casting sultar, you mostly will get hit by sultar first.

regards

NGD could at least lower cd and mana spend for BoW.
Marks still have spells like Finger crush, Cyclops Curse, seeking strike and focus, that were good if you have than on lvl1 for free, now that you have to invest points on it i think they will be mostly forgoten, to much mana for to less bonus.

The way i see marks basicaly have 3 kind of spells: spells that do damage(recharged,serpent bite, ethereal, arcana, lethal, dead eye, fire rain and needle blast); spells that do debuffs (seeking strike, BoW, winter and lightning arrows); spells that affect hit chance/spells focus (Finger crush, Cyclops Curse, focus, treined eyes and hawk gaze).

I may be wrong, but i think no other class has this much spells that affect hit chance/critical chance/spell focus. For me that could be the role of marks making then not only high hit chance class but also high hit chance debuffer.
Problem is marks hit chance spells are very humble. Eagle eyes in lb has 100% hit chance for low mana cost, just for example.
My proposal is reduce eagle eyes to 75% or maybe 50%, put treined eyes on 50% at lvl5. Give needle blast 30% hit chance debuff on lvl5. Lower cd and mana cost of finger crush. Remove movement debuff on focus.

Makes hawk gaze 100% hit chance instead of actual 25%, also make it with a bonus of 5% range per lvl (non cumulative with parabolic), if you have a long bow, and +33% criticals if you are with a short bow. Basicaly give hawk same bonus of parabolic if you are using a lb and same bonus of adaptability if you are using a sb. I think this is not overpowered cos marks can have both bonus anyway, is more a compensation for the high mana cost of hawk gaze.

[GIO879]

Originally Posted by _Enio_

You think RP has any connection to skill?^^

I agree, marks needs some fun stuff on Amun, but showing off how "good" you are by RP count is just an insa-loss

i just want say , i have enough experience, i never said i m good,

my marks is lvl 44, got 45 mana on gear and the passiv dex 1, dmg amu and rings and all in all more than 1,2k so its not as bad as you said. If both hit you can use the rest of your mana and win.

A level 45 who gives some leasson sorry but .... he speak too much and doesn't think about the mana cost and the new spell tree (put your point here and here and here ) hooo it miss me a lot of points at the end where are they gone ....

this post must be closed, it have no sens now, marksman are becoming some shotting tower, just enough good to wait in the fort( few hours) his enemies (if they wants to come), thx not for me ....

[Minorian]

Originally Posted by Fighting_Irish

Giving up marks after this update.
Horus normal hits - 500+
Amun normal hits - 350-400(if im lucky)
350 normals hits with "op" gear,no thanks.
Also my short bow does 300~ normals,so the differance between a slow 35 and a fast 25 isnt enough for me.
Too bad cause this was my favorite class.

:O i think most of Ignis will miss its most OP marks ^^


I call the bow!

[_Enio_]

Dont go all drama before the patch isnt finished yet^^

[Shwish]

Originally Posted by _Enio_

Dont go all drama before the patch isnt finished yet^^

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/8...0082000225.jpg

at least they didnt forget about us