To Upgrade or Not To Upgrade that is the question.....

[VandaMan]

Aside from invasions, there are only two reasons people upgrade forts, neither of which I find acceptable.

1. Because you want to avoid a fight

In the off hours often times the only action you can make (on horus) is at Algaros, Trelle, or Menirah. If you upgrade these before anyone can capture them, you're just making less action in the war zone when it's already pretty dead. Upgrading Herbred, Aggers, or Samal renders them borderline uncapturable without a massive zerg since there's almost always someone there to defend it and bring help.

2. Because you want to farm

When you capture an enemy fort and upgrade it, it's pretty clear why you did it; you don't want to "lose." Obviously you'll lose eventually, even if it takes hours, but at least you'll be able to feel as if you've increased the size of your virtual penis, due to all of "teh noobz u pwnt."

So I guess to me upgrading is only okay when you're invading, or being invaded. Of course I can't tell anyone else how to play, just my opinion... which you did ask for.

Originally Posted by Patience-Ana

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So tell me, why did you make this thread? It seems like you asked for opinions on a subject, and then started raging because you don't agree with the opinion someone gave. If you're just looking for someone to validate your own opinion I'm sure you and WynaWynn could jerk eachother off via PMs.

Originally Posted by Patience-Ana

It seems that you are one of those people, Altara, who always has to have the last word.

Maybe, but it seems you got the last word in this one... interesting.

[Gytha_Ogg]

Originally Posted by VandaMan

Aside from invasions, there are only two reasons people upgrade forts, neither of which I find acceptable.

1. Because you want to avoid a fight

2. Because you want to farm

Don't forget

3. Because you have just too darn much gold and want to give some away.

It's worth noting that the 'you' is (sometimes, at least) a noob, fresh to the warzone with a pocketful of gold, and probably not much help with the actual fighting, who sees upgrading as a way to help out the realm, not necessarily the consensus of the entire group at the fort.

At least that was the case when I was a noob, fresh to the warzone with a pocketful of gold, and not much help with the actual fighting. I upgraded, much to the annoyance of some of the elders, one of which kindly took me under his wing with some helpful words: "Wtf, Ogg, you stupid pt, don't upgrade!"

1, I don't see very often, there are easier ways to not fight than to huddle inside a level 4 fort, I do see 2, sometimes accompanied by "Well, they've farmed us often enough!"

Sometimes a small group will upgrade, expecting a zerg of defenders, so leveling would actually prolong the fight. Sometimes the zerg shows, sometimes not, and sometimes owning an enemy fort makes your own zerg show up (in dribs and drabs, but the effect is the same).

[Patience-Ana]

You think I'm raging????? Well, I have not looked up the official definition of raging, but I really can't imagine that my words would qualify as raging. And I didn't expect that everyone would support my own position. I just wasn't looking for disparaging remarks. I was looking for logic, I suppose. And some have been quite logical as to why they have the opinion they do. Others have been quite candid without being inflammatory. So no, I was not looking just for agreement. It does seem to be a rather controversial topic.

[VandaMan]

Originally Posted by Patience-Ana

I was looking for logic, I suppose. And some have been quite logical as to why they have the opinion they do. Others have been quite candid without being inflammatory. So no, I was not looking just for agreement. It does seem to be a rather controversial topic.

Well I basically said the exact same thing as Altara did, so I'm not sure why you raged about her opinion but not mine. You raged because she said upgrading is cowardly... but that's what everyone else opposed to it is saying as well, whether they used that exact wording or not. Perhaps you didn't glean it from my post, but I also think in most situations upgrading is cowardly, or down right poor sportsmanship.

Originally Posted by Patience-Ana

You think I'm raging????? Well, I have not looked up the official definition of raging, but I really can't imagine that my words would qualify as raging.

Originally Posted by Urban Dictionary

3. raging

What someone does when they are pissed off on the internet.

people that are raging are:

Spamming forums

cussing people out on the internet

obviously angry

Most often occurs after the rager is trolled.

Also, you just punctuated a question with 5 question marks. I'll accompany the definition with a generic, unrelated example:

Originally Posted by Generic, unrelated example

Altara, you are being inflammatory. And furthermore, it looks like you DID exaggerate a bit, after all, didn't you? There were more than 5 when you took the ugpgraded Algaros, huh?

I am not an experienced forum poster. I have other priorities. But I am tired of hearing so much whining and bitching about the upgrading of Algaros. Just deal with it, ok? Because frankly, we will continue to do what we deem to be appropriate regardless of what anybody thinks.

In this example we see what I like to call "mild rage." There's not much spamming (yet), but we can see here some minor cussing, along with obvious anger. Since this is just a generic example I can't say whether or not the rager was being trolled, would have to see it in context.

[TheMessenger]

Originally Posted by VandaMan

Well I basically said the exact same thing as Altara did, so I'm not sure why you raged about her opinion but not mine. You raged because she said upgrading is cowardly... but that's what everyone else opposed to it is saying as well, whether they used that exact wording or not. Perhaps you didn't glean it from my post, but I also think in most situations upgrading is cowardly, or down right poor sportsmanship.





Also, you just punctuated a question with 5 question marks. I'll accompany the definition with a generic, unrelated example:



In this example we see what I like to call "mild rage." There's not much spamming (yet), but we can see here some minor cussing, along with obvious anger. Since this is just a generic example I can't say whether or not the rager was being trolled, would have to see it in context.

"you must spread..."

that post was written like a true pr0. you make me want to turn gay sometimes

[Ulti19]

Originally Posted by VandaMan

In this example we see what I like to call "mild rage." There's not much spamming (yet), but we can see here some minor cussing, along with obvious anger. Since this is just a generic example I can't say whether or not the rager was being trolled, would have to see it in context.

Haha, the way it is explained it is like a science

On topic, whenever I see someone go in to donate gold and then the flag suddenly becomes the captain guard, I don't think what a coward or noob or anything like that. I say to myself, now there's a dude who can afford repairs lol

[Patience-Ana]

Well, Vandaman, it seems like you have decided to take over the trolling role for Altara. As for raging, I don't believe I did any cursing, mild or otherwise.
I'll repeat what I said earlier.

So, just note that if I don't respond to any future posts by you, it is NOT because I am intimidated or I concede that you have "won". It will simply be because arguing with you is not how I choose to spend my time.

[VandaMan]

Originally Posted by Patience-Ana

As for raging, I don't believe I did any cursing, mild or otherwise.

Originally Posted by Patience-Ana

bitching

Are you going to label everyone of the opposite opinion on fort upgrades as trolls, and dismiss whatever they have to say? I'll repeat what I said too:

Originally Posted by VandaMan

So tell me, why did you make this thread? It seems like you asked for opinions on a subject, and then started raging because you don't agree with the opinion someone gave. If you're just looking for someone to validate your own opinion I'm sure you and WynaWynn could jerk eachother off via PMs.

[Altara]

Originally Posted by Patience-Ana

Well, Vandaman, it seems like you have decided to take over the trolling role for Altara. As for raging, I don't believe I did any cursing, mild or otherwise.
I'll repeat what I said earlier.

What Van is saying is true, just because we dont agree with you does not mean we are trolling you. Our opinions are different, and on a game forum, where you post, be ready to get different opinions. Especially in a thread where you ask for other peoples opinions.

[ncvr]

You're new to this whole forum thing, are you?

Okay...I'll bite.

You originally started this thread to ask the community their opinion on upgrading forts.

When Altara gave hers - and it's an opinion I and almost everyone on this forum agrees with - you called her a troll.

She gave you an answer to your question which you did not like. That does not make her a troll. Calling her one, however, does make you kind of an ass. I say kind of because I don't want to get an infraction point.

Why do you make a thread asking for opinions, then call someone who gives their opinion which you don't agree with a troll? Why are you getting upset over someone's opinion on a video game forum? Why do you care at all about her post?


Upgrading a fort is cowardly and against the spirit of this RvR game. Not just arguably, or in my opinion, it just is, logically. Upgrading a fort bolsters your side with automated defenses which are capable of defending the fort against a small group with absolutely no effort on your part. It also greatly increases the rate at which you gain rp for 'fighting' at the fort.