(Horus) Realm Balance or Stop New Players in Syrtis

[Angelwinged_Devil]

And we should block ignis too because they have more players on at another certain timespan?

[e30G]

While I agree there is a population imbalance, stopping players from joining a realm might be counter-productive for Horus as it may turn new players away.

Now depending on NGD's resolve to promote certain realms, I believe the best option is to provide bonus xim and a few scrolls on top of the RLM bonus for new accounts made in underpopulated realms. Providing these freebies now will also potentially hook players to the use of xim since they get to feel the benefits of using xim.

As far as Trelleborg is concerned, it's a design issue. I do like to point out to you that most of the time it is taken, it is taken with less than 10 people, with the Syrtis zerg gathering numbers over time while the fort is not retaken by Alsius. Also, for a time now, I have been wondering why you do not use your main advantage in trying to retake Trelle: the save. When you take Algaros, we save at Algaros. When we take Menirah, we see Ignis saving at Menirah. It seems you are failing to take a major strategic position in the map to your advantage. That save blocks the way from pp2, so you can also stop reinforcements. At the same time, you can respawn fast enough to prevent people from getting revived at Trelle. As it stands now, you reviving at the gate gives us the time to revive our fallen comrades. Sometimes I get to revive 2 people between your waves of attacks.

[Onteron]

Originally Posted by e30ernest

Also, for a time now, I have been wondering why you do not use your main advantage in trying to retake Trelle: the save. When you take Algaros, we save at Algaros. When we take Menirah, we see Ignis saving at Menirah. It seems you are failing to take a major strategic position in the map to your advantage. That save blocks the way from pp2, so you can also stop reinforcements. At the same time, you can respawn fast enough to prevent people from getting revived at Trelle. As it stands now, you reviving at the gate gives us the time to revive our fallen comrades. Sometimes I get to revive 2 people between your waves of attacks.

I whine about this every day. Sure sometimes Syrtis are pussies in going to Trelle, but it's not their fault that Alsius sucks at taking it back.

[Malik2]

Originally Posted by e30ernest

While I agree there is a population imbalance, stopping players from joining a realm might be counter-productive for Horus as it may turn new players away.

Now depending on NGD's resolve to promote certain realms, I believe the best option is to provide bonus xim and a few scrolls on top of the RLM bonus for new accounts made in underpopulated realms. Providing these freebies now will also potentially hook players to the use of xim since they get to feel the benefits of using xim.

As far as Trelleborg is concerned, it's a design issue. I do like to point out to you that most of the time it is taken, it is taken with less than 10 people, with the Syrtis zerg gathering numbers over time while the fort is not retaken by Alsius. Also, for a time now, I have been wondering why you do not use your main advantage in trying to retake Trelle: the save. When you take Algaros, we save at Algaros. When we take Menirah, we see Ignis saving at Menirah. It seems you are failing to take a major strategic position in the map to your advantage. That save blocks the way from pp2, so you can also stop reinforcements. At the same time, you can respawn fast enough to prevent people from getting revived at Trelle. As it stands now, you reviving at the gate gives us the time to revive our fallen comrades. Sometimes I get to revive 2 people between your waves of attacks.

I'm not going to second guess their save decision. In my observation over the last 3 months they constantly have at least one fort captured by us or the reds. I really don't understand how anyone can grind over there. At certain times of the dayt if you were lvl 30, you could litterally not go much higher as you are constantly defending the realm.

My hats are off to you guys to stick it out and not just throw your hands up and walk away.

[Malik2]

Originally Posted by Jippy

Nice to hear from a Syrtian... You grad yet? Hope you like your new barb gear...

To answer the question...Prometheus graduated on Saturday. So about a year. With all the lag, positoin bugs, nerfs and constant grinding I'm not really that interested in playing him at the moment.

[ArchmagusArcana]

Originally Posted by Malik2

I'm not going to second guess their save decision. In my observation over the last 3 months they constantly have at least one fort captured by us or the reds. I really don't understand how anyone can grind over there. At certain times of the dayt if you were lvl 30, you could litterally not go much higher as you are constantly defending the realm.

My hats are off to you guys to stick it out and not just throw your hands up and walk away.

That is exactly it right there, we cannot afford to have to run back to aggs from trelle, when we have ignis close to aggs and only aggs (and imp), and at least one syrtis save closer to aggs than trelle. 3 of 4 enemy saves that are not located at the castle are closer to aggs, to bind at trelle save leaves aggers too "unprotected".

[e30G]

It's a design issue compounded by population imbalance. Now as far as Trelle goes, it seems it's not really the fort we've been taking the most:

http://rostatus.heroku.com/world/horus

Maybe the fights there last so long and drawn out that it's being singled out here. Based on the above, Syrtis is more interested in attacking Ignis (at least in my clan a lot of us are more interested in fighting in Ignis) for at least the last 7 days.

[ncvr]

Originally Posted by Umaril

If we look at the top 5 players ranked by Xp,

#1 Beijing - Ignis
#2 Healerous - Alsius
#3 rami - Ignis
#4 Fcelka Drson - Alsius
#5 rhanya - Alsius

Alsius have 3, these players have over twice the XP you need for 50 (guys your insane) thats a pretty good sample indicator that Alsians are spending a lot of time grinding for no reason other than Drops, Cash, or Fun.

If we look at the top 5 clans on XP

# 1 [err][clan_name][0] - Alsius - 129 - 491.690.714
# 2 Apocalypse - Ignis - 198 - 483817.073
# 3 Inquisition -Syrtis - 160 - 421.900.383
# 4 The Dark Legion -Ignis - 168 -278.253.451
# 5 Forest Guardians - Syrtis - 223 -258.171.955

Ignis have 2, Syrtis have 2, But we find an Alsian clan at the top leading by 7,853,641 Xp, which is not must over 1 level 50 player but if you look at the number of players in that clan then the active players must have more on adverage than the other clans.

Not to mention Comp has said after his first visit to Alsius a while ago that he was frustrated by the grind culture there, and that even members of the clan he was in when asked to come to a fort said "Busy grinding, need better items" And he's not the first Alsian I have heard complain about this, so Alsius grinding to much addmitedly isnt the whole problem, but its sure part of it.

Yet somehow only THREE of the players in the global xp ranking are not in the top 9 alsius rp ranking, one of whom is retired and another of whom is an alt and also retired.

#1 Enio Alsius Nordo Marksman 50 48.039
#2 rhanya Alsius Nordo Warlock 50 44.354
#3 Klos Alsius Dwarf Marksman 50 36.407
#4 Poe Alsius Nordo Hunter 50 30.840
#5 Nimrod Alsius Nordo Hunter 50 30.500
#6 Po Alsius Nordo Conjurer 50 30.177
#7 archangel Alsius Nordo Hunter 50 29.096
#8 Healerous Alsius Nordo Conjurer 50 28.968
#9 Fcelka Drson Alsius Nordo Warlock 50 28.765

It should also be noted that both Syrtis and Ignis have more players in the global xp ranking than alsius. The same is true for the global clan xp ranking, and [err][clan_name][0] also has the third highest total rp and the highest rp per member of the top 3 clans in the global rp ranking.

[ieti]

Originally Posted by ArchmagusArcana

That is exactly it right there, we cannot afford to have to run back to aggs from trelle, when we have ignis close to aggs and only aggs (and imp), and at least one syrtis save closer to aggs than trelle. 3 of 4 enemy saves that are not located at the castle are closer to aggs, to bind at trelle save leaves aggers too "unprotected".

So you can not afford to save and other reams can afford to save. Usually if Algaros is captured and we're low in numbers we save. If we're more we do not save. After we recapture we run and save back to central save. What is the problem of saving at different saves? Trelle save gives you terrain advantage, gives you reinforcement stop, it is near Trelleborg. You prefer to put ppl to PP2 to cut reinforcements and ress to gate - this gets people from your attack force. Attacking from gate gets your attack from side wall of fort and gives you harder time reaching gate.

Cmon if you go to fort - save there other forts can wait. We always do this - get forts one by one. I do not see realm that can invade in active hours, so i do not see invasion threat to your realm. Wall ress decision is always strange to me.

[UmarilsStillHere]

Originally Posted by Necrovarus

Yet somehow only THREE of the players in the global xp ranking are not in the top 9 alsius rp ranking, one of whom is retired and another of whom is an alt and also retired.

I used only the top 5 as a sample group, sure the Ignis/Syrtis groups are bigger overall but I used that example to show player trends in Xp, not to show population, its not perfect but unless NGD gives us real numbers its the best we have.

Originally Posted by Necrovarus

It should also be noted that both Syrtis and Ignis have more players in the global xp ranking than alsius. The same is true for the global clan xp ranking, and [err][clan_name][0] also has the third highest total rp and the highest rp per member of the top 3 clans in the global rp ranking.

Yes Syrtis/Ignis has more players in the ranking because they have, well, more players, but once again, I showed that example to show that in general the few players Alsius have seem to spend a lot of time grinding, again its not perfect.

As for the Rp per member stat its highly unreliable as you will often find a good portion of the clan is inactive, in INQ we do sometimes clear out the list a bit to remove low level players who left long ago, deleated alts, etc... but still rp-per-member is a poor way to rank a clans activity in the warzone.

Anyway, it was just a off the top of my head example, its pretty inacurate over all so not realy worth so much disscussion.