Ignis 2nd portal opening - Page 5

Awrath · 03-15-2011, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Raoh

Syrtis (on Horus) was swept pretty quickly last night, and with only slight resistence. So next time dont make it so easy.

As there wasn't many on. I woke up at 5am to get ready for work, and I see that our gates are down. My friends list, consisting of mostly level 50+ players and some level 40+ players that are active in the war zone was near empty. Hence the "slight resistance".

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Originally Posted by Raoh

The time a conflict is chosen has nothing to do with whether that conflict is flawed or not.

Then try an invasion in active hours? It's just not possible. As Znurre said, you need greatly outnumber your opponent in order to have a successful invasion during hours when all realms are equally active.

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Originally Posted by Raoh

How that conflict is dealt with might be flawed, but the time it happens has zero to do with it.

The time it happens has everything to do with it. I guarantee you an invasion when all realms are active will fail.

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Originally Posted by Raoh

Adapt and evolve to deal with it. Dont compain about it.

Adapt to what is unsocial hours for most us? Explain how, shall I sit on my computed till 5AM in the morning every day and wait for an Ignis invasion? No thanks.

On topic:
Congrats to Ignis. For everyone moaning about the time, we do the exact same thing, heck we set alarms to wake up for a planned invasion.

AnteUp · 03-15-2011, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by blood-raven

you voted -xp for syrtis, gratz morons and invade when there is someone to resist <<

I remember a certain realm making invasions on the new year's eve... Was it Ignis? Oh wait...

As far as I know, the game doesn't have a closing hour nor does it only allow invasions during a specific time of the day. Therefore, deal with it.

Signatus · 03-15-2011, 11:48 PM

May I remind the participants that even if it is a flawed system, it is flawed for every realm, and thus cannot be used as valid argument against the remarkable cooperative effort that so many people had in order to successfully invade our adversaries no less then 6 times in the last nights.

Playing down the success a realm has achieved on completing a major objective of the game (despite what many of you think, it is the true end game in Regnum) is not a lack of respect for that realm (we already have secured bragging rights) but a major lack of consideration for those, on the invaded realms, that made their best to stop Ignis of achieving their goals.

After saying this I would like to point out some facts:

- The Alsius invasions (gems first portal, 3 days ago) was actually started by Syrtis. In all fairness, it was Syrtis that gave some ideas regarding how it would work on the new system.

- Syrtis was actually able to snatch a gem from Alsius, as it is well known. So in this "flawed system" Ignis and Syrtis had each 3 gems, 3 nights ago.

- 2 nights ago Ignis stirred the waters a bit, "just to see if they come out and play!" and secured the 3 Syrtis forts, we were overrun at Algaros, not once but twice. It was Alsius that secured Algaros while we divided our forces between Herb and Eferias. Those who participated may have witnessed some of the most intense hours of war on this server since the WM expansion (my Syrtis quest was over after 30 minutes). There were some epic battles as Syrtis would gain and loose control over Eferias and Herbred for several times. When we were about to call it quits we snatched a window of opportunity and, thanks to the new system, we were able to get a barb that broke the door, and only supported by a handful of players managed to grab the closest gem to the door and run for it (we didn't have plans, nor manpower, to secure the forts AND fight for more then 1 gem).

What is interesting is that, on this "flawed system", Alsius managed to grab the remaining 2 Syrtis gems and for some minutes there were 3 loose gems in the WZ, 2 of them in Alsius control. We actually thought they wouldn't be able to leave the realm with them because we were being owned at Herb, and Syrtis managed to cap the fort a few seconds after Alsius got out with the gems.

We secured our gem and obviously made plans to get our hands on the others. Alsius denounced their inexperience when they called it a run with both gems, on the same place, across the same bridge. Obviously both Ignis and Syrtis went for it, and after intense battling we got them both. And now notice very carefully, Ignis had all the gems, but 2 of them were at pp2!

We managed to take them both up to pp and that's when the military genius of an Ignean player (Meatwad for the win!) was a deciding factor. Instead of trying to secure both gems at the same time, he gambled on dividing our adversaries attention between 2 points, Ignis splited the gems, one went through Alsius territory, and the other over Syrtis territory. Even though we lost the gem travelling by Syrtis (because we would never have enough ppl to defend them both from Alsius and Syrtis) we did manage to defend the gem being carried through Alsius and thus end up the night with more then we were expecting.

On this flawed system the intensity and drama (as in a surprising turn of events) of what was witnessed is the stuff that makes this game, despite all the frustrations it gives, a truly good game.

- Finally, yesterday night, we went for the win again, this time with more numbers, and yes, with Syrtis in deficit comparing the previous night. Is it Ignean fault that after 2 nights of intense battling on the WZ more players decide to join in as opposed of what happened in Syrtis? It is not. We did have the upper hand, but having it only meant we could secure Algaros without Alsius cooperation. But it is untrue there was no difficulty in it: Eferias had no door by the time when the timer ran out, and all the WZ players had to rush to secure the gem during the first invasion, so in all fairness, nobody was at Eferias when the gem reached the door (I know because I rode from Eferias up to the Syrtis Inner realm to kill a hunter that was spamming caltrops and hinder 5 on the gem carrier). It was far from easy as many of you want to believe.

Now the Alsius invasion was much more challenging, and proof of that is we had to do it twice, on this "flawed system", in order to get both gems out. But let's explore this carefully. Alsius proved once more that their main problem is not in numbers, or skill, but in the ingenuity they have in the WZ.

In the first attempt the Alsius players concentrated at Trelleborg and Imperia, striking at it at full force. Syrtis also tried to gain control of Trelle. However, what the Alsius players realized too late was, that in order for us to secure Trelle and Imperia, we were taking almost all player we had in the WZ. They did find out that Aggersborg was empty, but it was already too late.

The second attempt is even more interesting. We took control of Aggersborg again and started the timer. Some of us went to Imperia because although Alsius had breached it during the previous defence (tore the gate down and killed everyone) it was still in Ignis control! We arrived there, and some Alsius players were trying to kill the guards. Naturally we drove them to the save. However what is interesting to acknowledge is that during the second Alsius invasion nobody tried to get Imperia even though it had no door.

Why am I sharing these invasion experiences with you all, because this way you might understand the following statement:

Quit bitching and play the game.

My best regards.

terekon · 03-15-2011, 11:48 PM

If you look at the screen shot i posted there is about 30 ignis standing there. And as i recall some were noobs that had obviously come from other realms to see the dragon wish.

From the fighting i saw it wasnt that we greatly outnumbered the other realms. (We did outnumber the others realms specifically syrtis.) BUt the numbers were not putting alsius and syrtis at some great disadvantage that they couldnt have stopped us.

There were several times that alsius and syrtis showed up at trelle, while fighting was happening at imp. Alsius got the doors down on Imp and Trelle, then when we were at our weakest in the fort and castle, simple stopped attacking us and retreated to the gate that has a combined hp of 5k or something because it just falls down.

Maybe try harder and complain less... If you dont want to participate in invasions or defense then dont. I dislike ppl spending all their time grinding when there is war to be done. But we have invaded many times, and have few lvl 60s.

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Balint · 03-16-2011, 02:44 AM

-xp for syrtis.. why? The xp malus is the worst wish ever.

For me it's only mean less xp from war. It was few enough I think.
It was really slow to level up and you did it slower. Why?

Gratz ignis it was hard to do but you did it. And gratz who reached lvl60.

SirHiss · 03-16-2011, 03:59 AM

evolve and adapt guys. Do like me. sleep around 3 hours per day and stay online till 9am then sleep to 12 then log on. simple and effective!

gratz ignis

_Enio_ · 03-16-2011, 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by SirHiss

evolve and adapt guys.

Cool tip, i will evolve and adapt while i sleep, especially now when you told me to do so

ieti · 03-16-2011, 06:22 AM

/me adapts perfectly while sleeping. Even if you invade 100 times per night it will not change.

Znurre · 03-16-2011, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Signatus

May I remind the participants that even if it is a flawed system, it is flawed for every realm, and thus cannot be used as valid argument against the remarkable cooperative effort that so many people had in order to successfully invade our adversaries no less then 6 times in the last nights.

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I don't really play on Horus that much so I don't take either side in this debate, however I do think invasions are flawed for the reasons I stated.
Not because it causes inbalance, true, but because they (imo) are boring for everyone involved.

Wield_II · 03-16-2011, 06:44 AM

This thread is going back to the "teh only invate at nite" state.

What about the time's you invade at morning and Ignis has atleast 5 higher levels online, that isnt lame?

Just merely pointing out the hypocrisy.

03-15-2011, 11:48 PM	#43
Signatus Master Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Damn, I'm lost again!... but now I have a map, wiii! Posts: 389	May I remind the participants that even if it is a flawed system, it is flawed for every realm, and thus cannot be used as valid argument against the remarkable cooperative effort that so many people had in order to successfully invade our adversaries no less then 6 times in the last nights. Playing down the success a realm has achieved on completing a major objective of the game (despite what many of you think, it is the true end game in Regnum) is not a lack of respect for that realm (we already have secured bragging rights) but a major lack of consideration for those, on the invaded realms, that made their best to stop Ignis of achieving their goals. After saying this I would like to point out some facts: - The Alsius invasions (gems first portal, 3 days ago) was actually started by Syrtis. In all fairness, it was Syrtis that gave some ideas regarding how it would work on the new system. - Syrtis was actually able to snatch a gem from Alsius, as it is well known. So in this "flawed system" Ignis and Syrtis had each 3 gems, 3 nights ago. - 2 nights ago Ignis stirred the waters a bit, "just to see if they come out and play!" and secured the 3 Syrtis forts, we were overrun at Algaros, not once but twice. It was Alsius that secured Algaros while we divided our forces between Herb and Eferias. Those who participated may have witnessed some of the most intense hours of war on this server since the WM expansion (my Syrtis quest was over after 30 minutes). There were some epic battles as Syrtis would gain and loose control over Eferias and Herbred for several times. When we were about to call it quits we snatched a window of opportunity and, thanks to the new system, we were able to get a barb that broke the door, and only supported by a handful of players managed to grab the closest gem to the door and run for it (we didn't have plans, nor manpower, to secure the forts AND fight for more then 1 gem). What is interesting is that, on this "flawed system", Alsius managed to grab the remaining 2 Syrtis gems and for some minutes there were 3 loose gems in the WZ, 2 of them in Alsius control. We actually thought they wouldn't be able to leave the realm with them because we were being owned at Herb, and Syrtis managed to cap the fort a few seconds after Alsius got out with the gems. We secured our gem and obviously made plans to get our hands on the others. Alsius denounced their inexperience when they called it a run with both gems, on the same place, across the same bridge. Obviously both Ignis and Syrtis went for it, and after intense battling we got them both. And now notice very carefully, Ignis had all the gems, but 2 of them were at pp2! We managed to take them both up to pp and that's when the military genius of an Ignean player (Meatwad for the win!) was a deciding factor. Instead of trying to secure both gems at the same time, he gambled on dividing our adversaries attention between 2 points, Ignis splited the gems, one went through Alsius territory, and the other over Syrtis territory. Even though we lost the gem travelling by Syrtis (because we would never have enough ppl to defend them both from Alsius and Syrtis) we did manage to defend the gem being carried through Alsius and thus end up the night with more then we were expecting. On this flawed system the intensity and drama (as in a surprising turn of events) of what was witnessed is the stuff that makes this game, despite all the frustrations it gives, a truly good game. - Finally, yesterday night, we went for the win again, this time with more numbers, and yes, with Syrtis in deficit comparing the previous night. Is it Ignean fault that after 2 nights of intense battling on the WZ more players decide to join in as opposed of what happened in Syrtis? It is not. We did have the upper hand, but having it only meant we could secure Algaros without Alsius cooperation. But it is untrue there was no difficulty in it: Eferias had no door by the time when the timer ran out, and all the WZ players had to rush to secure the gem during the first invasion, so in all fairness, nobody was at Eferias when the gem reached the door (I know because I rode from Eferias up to the Syrtis Inner realm to kill a hunter that was spamming caltrops and hinder 5 on the gem carrier). It was far from easy as many of you want to believe. Now the Alsius invasion was much more challenging, and proof of that is we had to do it twice, on this "flawed system", in order to get both gems out. But let's explore this carefully. Alsius proved once more that their main problem is not in numbers, or skill, but in the ingenuity they have in the WZ. In the first attempt the Alsius players concentrated at Trelleborg and Imperia, striking at it at full force. Syrtis also tried to gain control of Trelle. However, what the Alsius players realized too late was, that in order for us to secure Trelle and Imperia, we were taking almost all player we had in the WZ. They did find out that Aggersborg was empty, but it was already too late. The second attempt is even more interesting. We took control of Aggersborg again and started the timer. Some of us went to Imperia because although Alsius had breached it during the previous defence (tore the gate down and killed everyone) it was still in Ignis control! We arrived there, and some Alsius players were trying to kill the guards. Naturally we drove them to the save. However what is interesting to acknowledge is that during the second Alsius invasion nobody tried to get Imperia even though it had no door. Why am I sharing these invasion experiences with you all, because this way you might understand the following statement: Quit bitching and play the game. My best regards. __________________ The sound of the Gion Shōja bells echoes the impermanence of all things; the color of the sāla flowers reveals the truth that the prosperous must decline. The proud do not endure, they are like a dream on a spring night; the mighty fall at last, they are as dust before the wind. -- Chapter 1.1 of The Tale of Heike, Helen Craig McCullough's translation Last edited by Signatus; 03-16-2011 at 12:16 AM. Reason: spelling :o

03-15-2011, 11:48 PM	#44
terekon Pledge Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 25	Invasion Numbers. If you look at the screen shot i posted there is about 30 ignis standing there. And as i recall some were noobs that had obviously come from other realms to see the dragon wish. From the fighting i saw it wasnt that we greatly outnumbered the other realms. (We did outnumber the others realms specifically syrtis.) BUt the numbers were not putting alsius and syrtis at some great disadvantage that they couldnt have stopped us. There were several times that alsius and syrtis showed up at trelle, while fighting was happening at imp. Alsius got the doors down on Imp and Trelle, then when we were at our weakest in the fort and castle, simple stopped attacking us and retreated to the gate that has a combined hp of 5k or something because it just falls down. Maybe try harder and complain less... If you dont want to participate in invasions or defense then dont. I dislike ppl spending all their time grinding when there is war to be done. But we have invaded many times, and have few lvl 60s. [IMG][/IMG] __________________ WAR IS PEACE - FREEDOM IS SLAVERY - IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH Terekon\|52 Onuris\|50 Peccavi\|WM\|60 Beaver Cheese\|41 Aletron\|32

03-16-2011, 02:44 AM	#45
Balint Apprentice Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Hungary Posts: 74	-xp for syrtis.. why? The xp malus is the worst wish ever. For me it's only mean less xp from war. It was few enough I think. It was really slow to level up and you did it slower. Why? Gratz ignis it was hard to do but you did it. And gratz who reached lvl60. __________________ Saturas - warlock (Horus)

03-16-2011, 06:22 AM	#48
ieti Count Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Sofia, Bulgaria Posts: 1,374	/me adapts perfectly while sleeping. Even if you invade 100 times per night it will not change. __________________ RA \| Ignis \| Lilla My \| Conjurer \| EVIL IGNIS ROCK Horus \| Syrtis \| ieti \| Conjurer \| INQUISITION \| LONG GONE

03-16-2011, 03:59 AM	#46
SirHiss Banned Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: . Posts: 42	evolve and adapt guys. Do like me. sleep around 3 hours per day and stay online till 9am then sleep to 12 then log on. simple and effective! gratz ignis

03-16-2011, 06:44 AM	#50
Wield_II Master Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Paradise Posts: 306	This thread is going back to the "teh only invate at nite" state. What about the time's you invade at morning and Ignis has atleast 5 higher levels online, that isnt lame? Just merely pointing out the hypocrisy.