Nibiru? Wow..

[UmarilsStillHere]

Yo, thought I'd take a look in here again

Originally Posted by Seher

I like those kind of theories. There have actually been found organisms made of other stuff than the normal elements (was it boron? lol there's nothing I know less about than chemistry) if I remember correctly, and why should organisms even need water? It is 'assumed' yes, but in fact we know nothing at all.

Indeed, we assume that life must be as it is on this planet, it seems likely that this is the case but who knows Also since arms legs and fur are a pretty common evolution on Earth its quite possible there is a wookie like species out there somewhere, which makes me smile

That's where you can believe if you want to, it might be possible after all, even with everything we know (which obviously isn't that much). Humans tend to make things they don't know up. We made god up because we couldn't imagine how something like life (or anything in this world actually) could ever happen on its own, but now we know, no need for god any more, guys. Believe whatever you want to, as long as it doesn't collide with sanity.

I often wonder if anyone would choose to believe in a God if our history was reversed, bear with me Imagine we had never created any of these gods to explain anything, imagine if Science had come first. If someone then came along with the idea of Gods they would be laughed out of the room, I just find that an interesting thought We do love hanging onto traditions

It's not that simple. But it can be proven, at least in a way that you can't disprove it. Every maths student has to go through that. :P
That's where science is religious, we believe that there is logic. Is it necessary, that the whole universe follows logic? No, we want to find out. It's the same with religions IMO, they've just stopped waaay earlier. (Religions follow logic, too! Humans need logic)

Another of the key reasons I follow Science rather than Religion, even if you can argue that Science is a religion, something I still refute, you can also argue that Science is an evolving religion, it can accept if its wrong and change, where as traditional religions are stubborn and static*, and almost accepting that they are wrong, and happy to stay wrong

(*Other than minor social changes where some have become more open to eg homosexuality due to social pressure in some areas, of course there's always south america for the die-hards )

[bois]

I love theories. The best part is that every rule that man devises to explain something, the universe or at least what ever we think we exist in , just one-ups them and says " hey look at this one, explain that heh you arrogant bastards" just for the lulz.

Nothing is faster than light by our understanding of how things are. But really, just how much do we actually understand ? Our perception is limited by the available receptors we have or can devise.
What about what we are unable to perceive?

Anyway, what is the speed of dark ?

[Pnarpa]

Originally Posted by Archonaut

What about the test they did with neutrinos? They were faster then light right..

Didn't that turn out to be an error?

[Seher]

0.0025%, yes. We're not talking about warp 7 and xtimes light speed
(Although there are theories about how to actually make warp drive happen, you just need exotic matter which we don't know if it even exists - I love this stuff ;P)

Originally Posted by Umaril

I often wonder if anyone would choose to believe in a God if our history was reversed, bear with me Imagine we had never created any of these gods to explain anything, imagine if Science had come first. If someone then came along with the idea of Gods they would be laughed out of the room, I just find that an interesting thought We do love hanging onto traditions

Oh yeah, imagine a world without crusades and extremists of whatever kind... Not just interesting, it's rather depressing what religions have done. Centuries of slowing down progress and such stuff. AND THEY STILL TRY IT!!

Originally Posted by bois

Nothing is faster than light by our understanding of how things are. But really, just how much do we actually understand ? Our perception is limited by the available receptors we have or can devise.
What about what we are unable to perceive?

Anyway, what is the speed of dark ?

Exactly. We need more guys like Einstein who are able to start completely anew, without clinging to old ways of thinking. And we'd need some decades to actually recognize the value of those theories.


/edit: DMC style video, the difference is that it's true
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdzHnApHM9A

In case you didn't already know this. While searching for this again I found a line stating they've made bose einstein condensate out of light last year. Lol. Way better than Nibiru. :P

[UmarilsStillHere]

Originally Posted by Seher

(Although there are theories about how to actually make warp drive happen, you just need exotic matter which we don't know if it even exists - I love this stuff ;P)

Another idea behind "warp drive" involves "expanding" space behind you while contracting it in front, this could theoretically produce speed far beyond the light speed limit, as it involves messing with the very fabric of the universe. Its almost certainly impossible to pull off of course, only because we think some black holes can bend space time have we even been able to imagine it. As with a lot of theoretical science, the ideas are there, we just lack the tech to actually try and do it :P

[Carn]

wow, wait! What!

People actually in god?

No way!

[Seher]

Originally Posted by Umaril

Another idea behind "warp drive" involves "expanding" space behind you while contracting it in front, this could theoretically produce speed far beyond the light speed limit, as it involves messing with the very fabric of the universe.

That's exactly what I meant, but you still need matter with negative energy density, which is a problem. Walmart doesn't offer it, sadly. :P

[Cuchulainn]

Originally Posted by Seher

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Oh, and there is no way to move something faster than light. Not matter, not information. Nothing. Yes, there have been neutrinos that seemed to be 0.0025% faster (lol), but that's most likely a measurement error. Anything else?
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I'm not a physics or math student or something like that, but I read somewhere that something is faster than light... Einstein postulated that something has to be obviously faster than light even if this can be excluded mathematically (see also EPR paradox, Quantum entanglement).

Researchers at University Genf found out that the change of polarisation of entangled photons is at least 10,000 times faster than the speed of light (see Testing the speed of 'spooky action at a distance' or Quantenverschränkung).

Warp drive theory was already mentioned in this thread: here a full science paper about this theory for the experts or a shorter text .

[Seher]

Quantum entanglement doesn't transport anything though. Not even information. Nothing. The values you receive are completely worthless and random on their own, just together you can see the pattern. :P
/edit: But you can actually send information a BIT faster than light - via tunnel effect. All that stuff is rather useless though


Mass of Jupiter in anti matter. Sounds nice. ;P

[Archonaut]

Originally Posted by Seher

I can't believe that there really are people believing in this crap. On the other hand, there are tons of creationists in the USA, too, so... :P :P Believing in Nibiru is quite tame in comparison.

Slow down, I said I was amazed by this subject because I had never heard of it before.. And yes I would LOVE to believe in it, still it sounds kind of impossible and more like Twilight'ish ;p

Originally Posted by Seher

Statistics. Rare events do happen. Simple math. Counter question: Why should we be something special? The universe is huge.
If you hope to meet them one day though - you should start playing Lotto. Waaaayyyyyyy better chances. ;-P Way better like in... I got nothing. Just forget it.

This makes me cry from the inside.. Thank 'GOD' we still have 'Hope'

Originally Posted by Seher

Oh, and there is no way to move something faster than light. Not matter, not information. Nothing. Yes, there have been neutrinos that seemed to be 0.0025% faster (lol), but that's most likely a measurement error. Anything else?

A measurement error? Damn, has been all over the news here, that was the #1 topic, but when they find out it was an error they tell you nothing. #Media.

Yes there is 1 thing though, how do you explain that some religions like Islam knew scientific things written in the Holy Book 'Koran' before scientists actually found out about it? For example, The Earth's Athmosphere .. They found out about that more than 1400 years ago? Or Things like the origin of the universe(the big bang). Remember, the Koran was written 1400 years ago, how long do scientists actually know this? These thing Amaze me!

Also, the victory of the Roman Empire after it had been defeated, constating where and when..

Another topic about the big bang.. Again written in the Koran.

Originally Posted by Seher

Interesting thread I've missed here.

You sure did ;p .

Sources:
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/1/
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/212/
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/1563/
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/1560/