Regnum Online NPC Search Utility - Page 5

amade · 01-11-2008, 06:40 AM

In most if not all 3D programs, the Z-axis refers to height. See screenshot below.

At any rate, I fail to see why any of the listed search utilities shouldn't work as their coords, mislabeled or not, will still lead you to the correct location of each NPC.

ArcticWolf · 01-11-2008, 07:04 AM

Look, in the http://rolgps.sourceforge.net/npcs.txt file, the first of the numeric fields is the horizontal vector of the map, and the second one is the vertical. If you place the 0:0 coordinate it will give you a point at the topmost left corner of the screen. 6000:0 will give you a point at the topmost right corner. 0:6000 at the bottom left, and 6000:6000 at the bottom right.

It works that way in ROLGps.

padreigh · 01-11-2008, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Tontow

Sorry, but your wrong. Please refresh your math. The goggle search http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...rdinates+space turned up http://www.sparknotes.com/testprep/b...section6.rhtml as the first result, please take a good look.

Unfortunatly i cant play as much as i like because i got an exam on monday ... computerscience for diplom ... the topics in this one (1 out of 5 beside an 1/2 year lasting examswork) are Artificial Intelligence and Virtual Reality(3D). (Edit: passed with 1,0

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Id suggest you read smth about RightHand/LeftHandRules,
check some Direct3D Manuals in some of the last steps they calculate smth called a normalized orthogonal Room in wich X/Z denotes the Plane things lie in and Y is the height. You might as well ask yourself why one of the most used algorythms for occlusion culling ((=wich elements block the view of wich others so they dont need to be rendered and hence make your LAAAAG not as big) is called Z-Buffer-Sorting. (Hint: its not about Stacking objects over one another but blocking distant ones by those nearrer to camera)...

sorry .. carried away .. got a short fuse atm. maybe just look at the screen i put as attachment and believe ....

Btw Amade, i love this program, using it for modelling for some Game we produce at some project i participate in

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Tontow · 01-11-2008, 06:29 PM

Padreigh. Would you please provide a link to a resource that says Y is used for height?
And could you also provide a link to a definition of Z-Buffer-Sorting?

amade · 01-11-2008, 06:47 PM

Oh yeah, gotta love Blender

What a weird thread this has turned into.

padreigh · 01-11-2008, 10:27 PM

Im not using the web in english but i found you a page
for programming with openGL:

Theire some pics (the ones with flowerpots) with axisnotations as i mentioned.
The fact is unimportant though because you can see from the shot that I posted that Regnum counts out X and Z if you hover your mouse over the compass and that those coords in fact correlate with the ones given if you hit Alt-P (or was it Alt-I and alt-P was for ping?). So what you need to locate any citizen are X and Z's.

http://www.glprogramming.com/red/chapter03.html#name1

It all comes down to the fact that the virtual camera is located at 0,0,0,0 looking into -Z, Y is upward and the viewports gets translated, scaled, sheared until its an cube ranging from x=+-1m, y=+-1 and z=0 to 1. This cube holds all you display via some orthogonal projection and screenmapping. You use this one for various things (culling, advanced clipping, ...). The objects in this cube are as distorted as your scene normally would get if you put perspective transformation about it ... if you want to go deeper in detail i suggest "Interactive Computer Graphics. Edward Angel, A TopDown approach using open GL" ... about 80 Euros, in english language wich gives you what you want to know in about 780 pages full of pictures, text and lots of math (and you get an additional openGL book with it too). It is quite interesting read too.

If you want to get into ZBuffer Sort, try http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z-buffering its mainly about using the depthinformation (Z) to decide wich objects hide wich other objects if you project them into your X/Y Screen.

And btw. dont trust google, trust sites from educational centers. Anybody can proclaim /almost/ anything on his pages. Maybe checkout some university near you, visit the computer science department, look for teachings in Virtual Reality or 3D Games design and look into theire scripts...

Gawyn_Trakkand · 09-07-2010, 06:40 PM

ok i know this is an old thread and we have bots on IRC that will help with this but has/can anyone compile a windows version?

Znurre · 09-07-2010, 07:31 PM

Wow, this sure is an old thread...
I will compile a version for you tomorrow at work

ncvr · 09-08-2010, 06:13 AM

Also, http://alsius.de/ is a coordinates locator. Only works for Alsius though.

Znurre · 09-08-2010, 08:43 AM

Here you go, as promised.
Keep in mind that this application is like 3 years old, so it sucks really bad and might not work as expected

Enjoy!

http://94.254.68.117/stuff/rons.rar

01-11-2008, 07:04 AM	#42
ArcticWolf Duke Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: 0x00CAFE Posts: 3,366	Look, in the http://rolgps.sourceforge.net/npcs.txt file, the first of the numeric fields is the horizontal vector of the map, and the second one is the vertical. If you place the 0:0 coordinate it will give you a point at the topmost left corner of the screen. 6000:0 will give you a point at the topmost right corner. 0:6000 at the bottom left, and 6000:6000 at the bottom right. It works that way in ROLGps. __________________ I don't have a solution, but I admire the problem.

01-11-2008, 06:47 PM	#45
amade Baron Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Kelana Jaya Posts: 920	Oh yeah, gotta love Blender What a weird thread this has turned into. __________________ end.transmission - amade FoV Clan Inventory Listing

01-11-2008, 10:27 PM	#46
padreigh Master Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, NRW Posts: 270	Im not using the web in english but i found you a page for programming with openGL: Theire some pics (the ones with flowerpots) with axisnotations as i mentioned. The fact is unimportant though because you can see from the shot that I posted that Regnum counts out X and Z if you hover your mouse over the compass and that those coords in fact correlate with the ones given if you hit Alt-P (or was it Alt-I and alt-P was for ping?). So what you need to locate any citizen are X and Z's. http://www.glprogramming.com/red/chapter03.html#name1 It all comes down to the fact that the virtual camera is located at 0,0,0,0 looking into -Z, Y is upward and the viewports gets translated, scaled, sheared until its an cube ranging from x=+-1m, y=+-1 and z=0 to 1. This cube holds all you display via some orthogonal projection and screenmapping. You use this one for various things (culling, advanced clipping, ...). The objects in this cube are as distorted as your scene normally would get if you put perspective transformation about it ... if you want to go deeper in detail i suggest "Interactive Computer Graphics. Edward Angel, A TopDown approach using open GL" ... about 80 Euros, in english language wich gives you what you want to know in about 780 pages full of pictures, text and lots of math (and you get an additional openGL book with it too). It is quite interesting read too. If you want to get into ZBuffer Sort, try http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z-buffering its mainly about using the depthinformation (Z) to decide wich objects hide wich other objects if you project them into your X/Y Screen. And btw. dont trust google, trust sites from educational centers. Anybody can proclaim /almost/ anything on his pages. Maybe checkout some university near you, visit the computer science department, look for teachings in Virtual Reality or 3D Games design and look into theire scripts... __________________ Running Gag,Amenotil F., Gundar F., Jaspis U., Lance Lost, Tinman of Oz. (H,C,W,M,B,K) Internally processed, nutritioally-drained biological output happens - it's called update Last edited by padreigh; 01-11-2008 at 10:39 PM.

09-07-2010, 07:31 PM	#48
Znurre Marquis Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: RA Posts: 1,897	Wow, this sure is an old thread... I will compile a version for you tomorrow at work __________________ Winning a fight is not what makes you a good player, it's how you do it. http://home.znur.re/screenshot%20201...2011_39_37.jpg

09-08-2010, 08:43 AM	#50
Znurre Marquis Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: RA Posts: 1,897	Here you go, as promised. Keep in mind that this application is like 3 years old, so it sucks really bad and might not work as expected Enjoy! http://94.254.68.117/stuff/rons.rar __________________ Winning a fight is not what makes you a good player, it's how you do it. http://home.znur.re/screenshot%20201...2011_39_37.jpg

01-11-2008, 06:29 PM	#44
Tontow Pledge Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 10	Padreigh. Would you please provide a link to a resource that says Y is used for height? And could you also provide a link to a definition of Z-Buffer-Sorting?

09-07-2010, 06:40 PM	#47
Gawyn_Trakkand Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Cheshire, England Posts: 219	ok i know this is an old thread and we have bots on IRC that will help with this but has/can anyone compile a windows version?

09-08-2010, 06:13 AM	#49
ncvr Marquis Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 2,439	Also, http://alsius.de/ is a coordinates locator. Only works for Alsius though.