Hotw should be adjusted

[Kitsuni]

Originally Posted by NSer

+70% speed =)
Yea i know archonaut meant leave speed bonus as it is :d

Actually, something like 50% speed for 15 secs, instead of 25% speed for 30 secs, could be more balanced, because if the player who is under the effects of the horn eats a CC, they will lose the entire duration almost, effectively making it counterable. Granted, you'd have to be in range to CC to begin with (or slow them). Unfortunately this would remove the 'stack with Onslaught' dynamic that has returned a real use to Onslaught, due to the speed cap, but on the positive side, it would also prevent stacking Horn of the wind with Spring, Mobility and Wild spirit (speed cap is 50% max), effectively preventing some of the situations described here.

Now that I really think about it, I believe that this is the best approach to balance this spell. Same effect, more counterable, no stacking.

[bois]

Would it not be worse if you gave a burst speed of 50% over 15 seconds?
I could be wrong but,
Horn of the wind + level 5 onslaught reaches cap duration 14 seconds.
Horn of the Wind + level 5 spring reaches cap duration 10 seconds.
HoTW + mobility(5) + wild spirit(5) gets to 42% boost duration 20 seconds.

These conventional spells eat both Mana and power points. Hotw Eats no power points and only 100 mana for similar boost and duration.

Added to this, you still have these spells available after HOTW ends. In the other case, except for spring which cools fast and wild spirit which is a passive, the speed spells would be in CD. Your system leaves them all available.

I am not too sure about that suggestion. I have to consider it both with a CC and what would happen if the opponents have no Slow CC available in time or at sufficient counter level.

[Archonaut]

Originally Posted by Latan

slow 30%
lightning arrow 25%
caltrop's arrow 50%
mind push 70%

Yes 30%

Lightning Arrow 25% As it is, Caltrop's arrow 50% on 5 yes.. who actually uses this at 5? Only hunters who have too much points left so... nobody.
In my personal experience I have never seen even caltrops on 3, it's just wasted if you already have Marksmen who have to fill their tree skill to the top for spells like BoW and Winter Stroke etc.

Mind push 70% Yes, for 8 seconds... And same story, are there even people who use it on 5? Maybe warjurers yes, but come on 8 seconds.

HoTW 25% + Spring 25% (already reaches the maximum gamespeed cap) and if you're lucky you'll get another Onsl. on your ass +30%

Hotw: is 30 seconds dura if I'm not wrong
Spring: 10 seconds
Onsl: 14 seconds

Still think HOTW Should be nerfed...

[Archonaut]

Originally Posted by bois

Would it not be worse if you gave a burst speed of 50% over 15 seconds?
I could be wrong but,
Horn of the wind + level 5 onslaught reaches cap duration 14 seconds.
Horn of the Wind + level 5 spring reaches cap duration 10 seconds.
HoTW + mobility(5) + wild spirit(5) gets to 42% boost duration 20 seconds.

These conventional spells eat both Mana and power points. Hotw Eats no power points and only 100 mana for similar boost and duration.

Added to this, you still have these spells available after HOTW ends. In the other case, except for spring which cools fast and wild spirit which is a passive, the speed spells would be in CD. Your system leaves them all available.

I am not too sure about that suggestion. I have to consider it both with a CC and what would happen if the opponents have no Slow CC available in time or at sufficient counter level.

Thank You!

Totally agreed

[NSer]

Originally Posted by Archonaut

Caltrop's arrow 50% on 5 yes.. who actually uses this at 5? Only hunters who have too much points left so... nobody.

Enio did used it on 5 some time ago

[NSer]

Although i agree that hotw had to be nerfed

[ieti]

We wanted taxi back and we got hotw. Now we want it nerfed again....

[Torcida]

Originally Posted by ieti

We wanted taxi back and we got hotw. Now we want it nerfed again....

Every fair person agrees that it has to be nerfed :P

[isgandarli]

Originally Posted by Torcida

Every fair person agrees that it has to be nerfed :P

Even whole barbs company of RO?

[Seher]

Originally Posted by ieti

We wanted taxi back and we got hotw. Now we want it nerfed again....

I'd always prefer a buff of onslaught.