Unwanted players - Page 7

UmarilsStillHere · 03-10-2009, 09:43 PM

Horus is english based but personaly I dont mind 2 or 3 people speaking another language on it, most of the time theres nothing important happening on it, yet some people seem to think It should be reserved for some reason...

Me : Barb stuff
Sol: Barb stuff
Me : Barb stuff
Sol: Barb stuff
Me : Barb stuff
Sol: Barb stuff
Someguy: Can you go into a PM instead of spamming realm chat?
Me: erm no one but us 2 are acctualy useing it?
Sol: We are makeing the game interesting you you as you grind ^^
Someguy: But new players may not understand what you are talking about
Sol: They will learn if they read :P
Me: So if they log in the first time and see NOTHING on the realm chat that will be much better?

And I have acctualy seen "racism" on realm chat... allthough a few years ago it would be considered just makeing a joke about a nations sterotype, but then theres allways a few that latch onto it and have a rant for the sake of ranting, which then sometimes turns into full player on player flame wars... :/

SmUrV · 03-10-2009, 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 210paul

Horus is english based but personaly I dont mind 2 or 3 people speaking another language on it, most of the time theres nothing important happening on it, yet some people seem to think It should be reserved for some reason...

Me : Barb stuff
Sol: Barb stuff
Me : Barb stuff
Sol: Barb stuff
Me : Barb stuff
Sol: Barb stuff
Someguy: Can you go into a PM instead of spamming realm chat?
Me: erm no one but us 2 are acctualy useing it?
Sol: We are makeing the game interesting you you as you grind ^^
Someguy: But new players may not understand what you are talking about
Sol: They will learn if they read :P
Me: So if they log in the first time and see NOTHING on the realm chat that will be much better?

And I have acctualy seen "racism" on realm chat... allthough a few years ago it would be considered just makeing a joke about a nations sterotype, but then theres allways a few that latch onto it and have a rant for the sake of ranting, which then sometimes turns into full player on player flame wars... :/

Ignis has had straight up flame wars across realm chat, along with racism, prejudice, all kinds of crap. I was once jumped for telling a newb where fragile skeletons were on one of my alts because I wouldn't tell someone who my main character was.

Realm chat is really just full of stupidity most of the time. I really don't have a problem with other languages in chat, but I know that some people find it rude.

Wodin · 03-12-2009, 12:51 PM

Guys...

Again....

This thread is not about languages in realm chat... (i think any1 should speak what want to, as long as it do not offend any1).

About players that insult you in ENGLISH, what can be done????

About players that constatly annoy you and IGNORE no longer helps, because they run after you to kill your moobs, what can be done?

Regards

iteomagazu · 03-12-2009, 02:12 PM

1) Mobs are not YOUR mobs. Other people like it to kill mobs together, this tactic is called "grinding group".

2) If that player annoys you, just go away for some minutes until the "unwanted help" is bored and leaves.

Vaylos · 03-12-2009, 04:24 PM

Actually this did happen to me once. I was working on mobs for a quest, and I noticed a Barb (don't remember the name) running toward me, well, then I noticed he was following, so I started running up the mountain toward withering heights. Then he popped spring as I moved over the top. Lol, I think I actually lost him because I doubled back once I was out of sight. My original plan was to just have him run through a bunch of aggro goblors (he was low level) but I guess he lost track of me, so I took the long way around and went back to grinding for my quest in the same place. Didn't see him again. -shrug-

There are things that can be done to lose someone who's being annoying. I can see how unwanted players can be a problem especially if they do a lot more damage than you. (Example: unwanted barb "helps" a hunter out, but the hunter doesn't do enough of the damage to actually gain much xp from the mob) If that's not kill stealing, I don't know what is. Granted usually it's not a problem, however I've seen instances where the mob dies due to unwanted "help" and despite the group bonus, I only get half of the original xp worth in total. That used to happen to me a LOT on Ra in Syrtis. Heck I've even had someone ask me to go somewhere else because they were there first and grinding in the area. Problem, was I was in low 30's and there wasn't anywhere else at the time. I never attacked the same creatures he was, but he still asked me to leave. I just ignored and kept on my merry way. He didn't do anything to spite me, so I didn't really care, and just minded my own business.

Anyway, yes these situations do crop up occasionally. What can you do about it? Well, other than making suggestions on improving the group-work, not much. If someone hassles you, and they do it everytime they see you, report them. If they follow you, lead them on a merry chase through an aggro-infested area. Heck, run in, throw an area around a bunch of impossible aggros, and get the heck out of there. Maybe they'll get caught in the backlash. There's plenty of ways to shake someone who's stalking you.

The other option is to just act like they aren't even there. Eventually they get bored and run away. Or if they do more damage than you, wait til the mob focuses them, and then immediately target another one close by. if he's stupid enough to switch attack that one too, then he'll have two mobs on him, and if he's not prepared, well, it won't end well for him. Especially if said mobs use rake or rabies, heh.

Most of that's just brainstorming, whether it's actually practical or not is a different question all together.

(EDIT) In response to the above post, A "grinding group" doesn't involve a single person following you around and cutting your mob xp in half, when the group bonus only adds a small bonus. That's called an opportunistic jerk. If you're grinding together, then usually said person will wait until you've done enough damage, to get your share of xp. The "unwanted help" types are not that forgiving.(/EDIT)

Nils_Dacke · 03-13-2009, 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by woden

persons and kill their moobs, not letting them get xp.

If that actually happens, that the stalked player got zero xp, you have found a flaw in the XP distribution algorithm then. The game designers has clearly stated many times that it is their sincere intention to encourage team work, i.e. several players beating the same mob is supposed to be more beneficial for all participants than each of them grinding solo. "XP stealing" thus is supposed to be a nonsense concept in this game. If there really is "xp stealing" happening, then it is the xp algorithm that needs to be looked over. You simply can't have too much team play here, not even with players using rude little words, for which there already is the /ignore command for those who feel offended by it.

And in case you by "not letting them get xp" meant less xp per kill (rather than zero as I assumed above) remember it is xp per minute that counts when levelling, not xp per kill. The key to fast levelling is GRP bonus.

Pelesz · 03-13-2009, 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KarlXII

If that actually happens, that the stalked player got zero xp, you have found a flaw in the XP distribution algorithm then. The game designers has clearly stated many times that it is their sincere intention to encourage team work, i.e. several players beating the same mob is supposed to be more beneficial for all participants than each of them grinding solo. "XP stealing" thus is supposed to be a nonsense concept in this game. If there really is "xp stealing" happening, then it is the xp algorithm that needs to be looked over. You simply can't have too much team play here, not even with players using rude little words, for which there already is the /ignore command for those who feel offended by it.

And in case you by "not letting them get xp" meant less xp per kill (rather than zero as I assumed above) remember it is xp per minute that counts when levelling, not xp per kill. The key to fast levelling is GRP bonus.

You need to hurt the mob at least 10% to get any xp. So if a dude comes and 1hit kill all your mobs, what do you do then? Grp bonus dosn't help you there.

iteomagazu · 03-14-2009, 09:14 AM

Then you tell him to stop that and then:
Just WALK AWAY. It's easy!

Mattdoesrock · 03-14-2009, 06:44 PM

In game moderators? Hell. To. The. No.

If someone is pissing you off --> /ignore. Simple as.

I really don't know why people have a problem with other people talking in a different language.. I'd welcome to chance to even learn one word of another language.

Syd_Vicious · 03-15-2009, 08:16 AM

Insert link: Rules of Conduct

Most of the threads here seem to match #2:

Sending any message, information, data, text, software or graphic files or other material (“Content”) being illegal, harmful, threatening, abusive, pursuing, torturous, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, dangerous, invasive of the privacy of others, containing hatred or aggressions and/or being racially, ethically or morally questionable;

Apply abuse@ email address for anything matching the above.

If it does not match the above prob should send an email to the support@ email to clarify.

If NGD doesn't respond or take action then there is a bigger problem than then player conducting the alleged activity.

03-10-2009, 09:43 PM	#61
UmarilsStillHere Marquis Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: England Posts: 2,419	Horus is english based but personaly I dont mind 2 or 3 people speaking another language on it, most of the time theres nothing important happening on it, yet some people seem to think It should be reserved for some reason... Me : Barb stuff Sol: Barb stuff Me : Barb stuff Sol: Barb stuff Me : Barb stuff Sol: Barb stuff Someguy: Can you go into a PM instead of spamming realm chat? Me: erm no one but us 2 are acctualy useing it? Sol: We are makeing the game interesting you you as you grind ^^ Someguy: But new players may not understand what you are talking about Sol: They will learn if they read :P Me: So if they log in the first time and see NOTHING on the realm chat that will be much better? And I have acctualy seen "racism" on realm chat... allthough a few years ago it would be considered just makeing a joke about a nations sterotype, but then theres allways a few that latch onto it and have a rant for the sake of ranting, which then sometimes turns into full player on player flame wars... :/ __________________ Faith 50 Barb Faithless 50 Lock Umaril 45 Conju Kailas 45 Marks Pel 45 Knight I N Q U I S I T I O N

03-14-2009, 06:44 PM	#69
Mattdoesrock Count Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: England, UK. Posts: 1,055	In game moderators? Hell. To. The. No. If someone is pissing you off --> /ignore. Simple as. I really don't know why people have a problem with other people talking in a different language.. I'd welcome to chance to even learn one word of another language. __________________ MattdoesJOKE_#40_NOT_FOUND RA / Hor... Haven?

03-15-2009, 08:16 AM	#70
Syd_Vicious Initiate Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: The Desert, The Mountains, The Sky Posts: 152	Easy Solution Insert link: Rules of Conduct Most of the threads here seem to match #2: Sending any message, information, data, text, software or graphic files or other material (“Content”) being illegal, harmful, threatening, abusive, pursuing, torturous, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, dangerous, invasive of the privacy of others, containing hatred or aggressions and/or being racially, ethically or morally questionable; Apply abuse@ email address for anything matching the above. If it does not match the above prob should send an email to the support@ email to clarify. If NGD doesn't respond or take action then there is a bigger problem than then player conducting the alleged activity. __________________ Doing something maybe nothing, maybe nothing with something.

03-12-2009, 12:51 PM	#63
Wodin Apprentice Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Porto / Portugal Posts: 98	Guys... Again.... This thread is not about languages in realm chat... (i think any1 should speak what want to, as long as it do not offend any1). About players that insult you in ENGLISH, what can be done???? About players that constatly annoy you and IGNORE no longer helps, because they run after you to kill your moobs, what can be done? Regards

03-12-2009, 02:12 PM	#64
iteomagazu Pledge Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 22	1) Mobs are not YOUR mobs. Other people like it to kill mobs together, this tactic is called "grinding group". 2) If that player annoys you, just go away for some minutes until the "unwanted help" is bored and leaves.

03-12-2009, 04:24 PM	#65
Vaylos Banned Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Coralville, IA Posts: 202	Actually this did happen to me once. I was working on mobs for a quest, and I noticed a Barb (don't remember the name) running toward me, well, then I noticed he was following, so I started running up the mountain toward withering heights. Then he popped spring as I moved over the top. Lol, I think I actually lost him because I doubled back once I was out of sight. My original plan was to just have him run through a bunch of aggro goblors (he was low level) but I guess he lost track of me, so I took the long way around and went back to grinding for my quest in the same place. Didn't see him again. -shrug- There are things that can be done to lose someone who's being annoying. I can see how unwanted players can be a problem especially if they do a lot more damage than you. (Example: unwanted barb "helps" a hunter out, but the hunter doesn't do enough of the damage to actually gain much xp from the mob) If that's not kill stealing, I don't know what is. Granted usually it's not a problem, however I've seen instances where the mob dies due to unwanted "help" and despite the group bonus, I only get half of the original xp worth in total. That used to happen to me a LOT on Ra in Syrtis. Heck I've even had someone ask me to go somewhere else because they were there first and grinding in the area. Problem, was I was in low 30's and there wasn't anywhere else at the time. I never attacked the same creatures he was, but he still asked me to leave. I just ignored and kept on my merry way. He didn't do anything to spite me, so I didn't really care, and just minded my own business. Anyway, yes these situations do crop up occasionally. What can you do about it? Well, other than making suggestions on improving the group-work, not much. If someone hassles you, and they do it everytime they see you, report them. If they follow you, lead them on a merry chase through an aggro-infested area. Heck, run in, throw an area around a bunch of impossible aggros, and get the heck out of there. Maybe they'll get caught in the backlash. There's plenty of ways to shake someone who's stalking you. The other option is to just act like they aren't even there. Eventually they get bored and run away. Or if they do more damage than you, wait til the mob focuses them, and then immediately target another one close by. if he's stupid enough to switch attack that one too, then he'll have two mobs on him, and if he's not prepared, well, it won't end well for him. Especially if said mobs use rake or rabies, heh. Most of that's just brainstorming, whether it's actually practical or not is a different question all together. (EDIT) In response to the above post, A "grinding group" doesn't involve a single person following you around and cutting your mob xp in half, when the group bonus only adds a small bonus. That's called an opportunistic jerk. If you're grinding together, then usually said person will wait until you've done enough damage, to get your share of xp. The "unwanted help" types are not that forgiving.(/EDIT)

03-14-2009, 09:14 AM	#68
iteomagazu Pledge Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 22	Then you tell him to stop that and then: Just WALK AWAY. It's easy!