end of ze world in 2012: your thoughts

[Hell_bound]

The first time I come here from a long hiatus and there sits this thread on 2012...

First of all I would like to give a shout to DM, sorry bro I wasn't around before you got banned, but it's nice to see that you're still around!

Second, 2012 will be like any other year...

Now go about you life people and live it best you can...

Remember no man know the hour...

No man Know the time...

The best one can do is look at the signs...

And those signs do tell that the time is near, very near...

How near... no one can say...

Live for today...

And be happy with what you got...

For your government will mostly likely take that which you have away...

And when that happens, it will be bad...

But don't worry, you will live on...

Though the type of life you will have?

No one can say...

Just thank whoever that your living today...

[Angel_de_Combate]

Got to admit that this time..its kind of funny your back H_B, just as DM disappears(although banned for a week, for trying to help NGD out incidentally). So thanks for this post..just not quite sure what you mean..other than..erm we need to live for today..most people do that anyway, well i do.So excuse me if im not totally convinced "that 2012 may well be the end of the world as we know it, but not the end of the human species."- quote from wiki.
2012 is just that 2012.. the year that the Olympics come to England(at last), ill be 32..hmmm that's all i know for certain, 2012 is just plain conjecture and rantings of scaremongers.

[Hell_bound]

Originally Posted by Angel_de_Combate

..just not quite sure what you mean..other than..erm we need to live for today..

The key is, as we move further away from the system that ensured the hegemony of the west (and believe me we are) the more western governments will impede upon the rights of its people.

Western governments need to do this to ensure that those in power retain their power, and also to ensure that there isn't wide spread chaos.

All I can say is that in the end those nations that would abandon the dollar will be better off then those that stuck with it. Thus, those nations that have struggled while the west dictated how much power they were given in global affairs will soon find themselves free...

Originally Posted by Depeche Mode - John The Revelator *

John the Revelator
Put him in an elevator
Take him up to the highest high
Take him up to the top where the mountains stop
Let him tell his book of lies

John the Revelator
He's a smooth operator
It's time we cut him down to size
Take him by the hand
And put him on the stand
Let us hear his alibis

By claiming God - As his holy right
He's stealing a God from the Israelites
Stealing a God from a Muslim, too
There is only one God through and through

Seven lies, multiplied by seven, multiplied by seven again
Seven angels with seven trumpets
Send them home on the morning train
Well who's that shouting?
John the Revelator!
All he ever gives us is pain
Well who's that shouting?
John the Revelator!
He should bow his head in shame

By and by
By and by
By and by
By and by

Seven lies, multiplied by seven, multiplied by seven again
Seven angels with seven trumpets
Send them home on the morning train
Well who's that shouting?
John the Revelator!
All he ever gives us is pain
Well who's that shouting?
John the Revelator!
He should bow his head in shame

By and by
By and by
John the Revelator
By and by
John the Revelator
By and by
John the Revelator

* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZeRwuN68VQ

[Mattdoesrock]

Originally Posted by DemonMonger

other worlds were destroyed for doing less than we have on earth...

read my words and learn...

on may 15th you will be able to see the bringer of our demise in the night sky.

[Angel_de_Combate]

Originally Posted by Hell_bound

* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZeRwuN68VQ

Still all very cloak and dagger for my liking H_B. Depeche mode rocks, tho

[Hell_bound]

Originally Posted by Angel_de_Combate

Still all very cloak and dagger...

I cannot believe that I'm still being tested... As if anything I say cannot be backed up with facts?

Do you people think I just spout off at the mouth - not knowing what I'm talking about? Or is it that you believe that because I'm an occultist that somehow everything I state is a lie?

And no Emily, this isn't about you, though your comment becomes a catalyst for why I write this...

But for those that would question me, I provide for you a new knowledge set (information), by which you can judge for yourself ....


The Case for the Demise of the Dollar

China
http://www.asianews.it/index.php?l=e...ze=A01/03/2009
http://www.economist.com/finance/dis...tures_box_main
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/bizchin...nt_7373626.htm
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/bizchin...nt_7660085.htm
http://moneynews.newsmax.com/streett...09/201399.html
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...JqQ&refer=home
http://www.forbes.com/2009/03/31/chi...cy-dollar.html
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/bizchin..._7638783_2.htm
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2...nt_7610529.htm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/f...-currency.html

Middle-East
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Oil_Bourse
http://www.reuters.com/article/usDol...15337620081230
http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayA...editorial&col=
http://www.ameinfo.com/67925.html
http://business24-7.ae/articles/2009...a8875bd9d.aspx
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coopera...es_of_the_Gulf

Historical Perspective
http://www.asianews.it/index.php?l=en&art=13959&size=A
http://www.masternewmedia.org/news/2...e_proposal.htm

These links above reveal only a small segment of the truth that is about to become a reality.

From these links you should start to see the world, and the rhetoric of the west in whole new light...

And even though the world might not show signs of eminent destruction, the seeds have been laid...

Things take time to grow...

Originally Posted by Depeche Mode - Walking In My Shoes *

I would tell you about the things
They put me through
The pain Ive been subjected to
But the lord himself would blush
The countless feasts laid at my feet
Forbidden fruits for me to eat
But I think your pulse would start to rush

Now I'm not looking for absolution
Forgiveness for the things I do
But before you come to any conclusions
Try walking in my shoes
Try walking in my shoes

You'll stumble in my footsteps
Keep the same appointments I kept
If you try walking in my shoes
If you try walking in my shoes

Morality would frown upon
Decency look down upon
The scapegoat fates made of me
But I promise you, my judge and jurors
My intentions couldn't have been purer
My case is easy to see

I'm not looking for a clearer conscience
Peace of mind after what Ive been through
And before we talk of repentance
Try walking in my shoes
Try walking in my shoes

You'll stumble in my footsteps
Keep the same appointments I kept
If you try walking in my shoes
If you try walking in my shoes
Try walking in my shoes

Now I'm not looking for absolution
Forgiveness for the things I do
But before you come to any conclusions
Try walking in my shoes
Try walking in my shoes

You'll stumble in my footsteps
Keep the same appointments I kept
If you try walking in my shoes

Now I'm not looking for absolution
Forgiveness for the things I do
But before you come to any conclusions
Try walking in my shoes
Try walking in my shoes

You'll stumble in my footsteps
Keep the same appointments I kept
If you try walking in my shoes
Try walking in my shoes
If you try walking in my shoes
Try walking in my shoes

*http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xcr...my-shoes_music

Oh, and a final note on me being an occultist... Remember, I live in a world of scientific fact, and thus my spirituality is only there to enhance my understanding of the human condition.

[zeevzeev]

this is nothing. first, (assuming that ur also demon monger) u said the world would be reborn and aliens would fight for it, some on our side, some against us, and now ur pointing out that the american dollar is now not the major currency of the world. OF COURSE ITS NOT! THE U.S IS IN A DEPRESSION, MAKING ITS CURRENCY WORTH LESS, SO PEOPLE ARE LESS LIKELY TO ACCEPT IT! you have ur ideas, and i just think ur wrong, not lying. u just claim some things to be proof when they have other explanations. it won't cause any harm, at most it will cause the united states to find another currency.

[Hell_bound]

Originally Posted by zeevzeev

.. first, (assuming that ur also demon monger)...

LOL, why do people do this to me...

There's massive confusion on these boards as to who is who isn't there...

But believe me I'm not DM FFS!

Originally Posted by zeevzeev

ur pointing out that the american dollar is now not the major currency of the world.

Umm as a matter of fact the US dollar is still the world currency...

Originally Posted by zeevzeev

THE U.S IS IN A DEPRESSION, MAKING ITS CURRENCY WORTH LESS, SO PEOPLE ARE LESS LIKELY TO ACCEPT IT!

Actually you're wrong, the world is still investing in dollars because there is nothing to take its spot...

However, the links I have given above show that this will soon come to an end, for there are many nations creating a new currency (to be traded like the dollar) or are making their currency strong enough to be traded like the dollar.

Oh, and please before you start to tell people what your opinion is on matters you know little of - make sure you read about the subject so you can at least sound like you know what your talking about.

[ArcticWolf]

Originally Posted by Hell_bound

Actually you're wrong, the world is still investing in dollars because there is nothing to take its spot...

However, the links I have given above show that this will soon come to an end, for there are many nations creating a new currency (to be traded like the dollar) or are making their currency strong enough to be traded like the dollar.

The Little Problem with the Dollar is that even if there's a stronger currency (the Euro can take its place) the migration would be nothing but painful. The dollar is hard-coded in most of the old COBOL bank systems, a lot of people own dollars (I do), and when all the people start trading money then it's worth less than when you bought it because nobody wants it.

So, even if I like Euros a lot, I must say that dollars are here to stay for a while (Though, not a lot).

[Hell_bound]

Originally Posted by ArcticWolf

The Little Problem with the Dollar is that even if there's a stronger currency (the Euro can take its place) the migration would be nothing but painful. The dollar is hard-coded in most of the old COBOL bank systems, a lot of people own dollars (I do), and when all the people start trading money then it's worth less than when you bought it because nobody wants it.

So, even if I like Euros a lot, I must say that dollars are here to stay for a while (Though, not a lot).

Listen, you may think the dollar will last for a long time to come, but don't be fooled.

What I can tell you is this....

(1) The collective within the middle-east (if you read the links above in my other post you would know that), basically the Arab states, are going to create a new regional currency that will be backed by gold that is do to come out in 2010.

(2) China is right now is basically transforming their export economy into a consumer economy, while allowing some nations to settle their debt with china in yuan, Argentina is one of those nations , (if you would have just read the links). Also they are buying massive amounts of gold and yet they are the only nation in the world right now that is sitting on a cash surplus of over three trillion dollars (in their own money, the yuan).

(3) And to top this all off OPEC, thanks to Iran (again you should really read my links) is thinking long and hard about either diversifying their currency holdings (meaning not hold only dollars) which of Kuwait and Algeria have done, or move totally away from the dollar all together (which Iran and Venezuela have already done).

Now the question is what does this mean for the dollar?

It's easy really...

(1) The dollar is not backed by anything and that is the reason why its called a fiat currency. It's true value comes from the fact that America has one the most advanced military fighting machines in the world. And if you ever studied what America did to the world after WWII you would know what it would do to keep its power within the world... Go ask the people of Chile or Iran for example...

(2) Every nation in the world has to hold dollars because in order to buy oil they need dollars... That is if they don't buy from Iran or Venezuela. This acts like a tax on the people of the world because as the value drops in the dollar goods are more expensive (its not just oil that is soild only in dollars, but its the major one), and yet when the dollar gains in value it takes more original money (the nation's own money) to convert into dollars. It's really a lose-lose situation for anyone but America. And America benefits because the buying of the dollar sustains America and its economy (basically the other nations buy our debt). And did you know, thanks to WWII, America owns the London Oil Exchange, could that be the reason why the UK never adopted the Euro? LOL!

And finally (3), as the nations move from the dollar two things will happen. One, America's economy, as well as all those that have faith in the dollar and held on to them, will collapse. And two, history has shown when a nation loses its power and the faith of its people its like an animal backed into a conner - it will fight to defend its power over the world - this you can count on.

Now why would this happen, well its easy to see...

Every nation out there, but America and the UK, are making concessions to move away from the dollar peg... and what is America doing and the UK?

Oh yeah, they are creating more debt - LOL!

So when other nations finally move away from the dollar (such as Euro nations - btw, collectively the Euro nations have more gold then another other nation -, China, Russia, the Middle-East and some South American nations) immediately the value of their money would skyrocket and they will have not only have buying power, but also political power within the world like they never had before.

You watch, this situation will happen because in the end America and the UK aren't going to change unless it absolutely has too. And when it does change, it will use those mechanisms (war) to ensure that it retains its power.

In the end I leave you with this: The dollar collapse will occur within the next 2 years, and this you can take to the bank...

Good luck...