Serious out-of-balance with hunters

[CumeriTarenes]

Originally Posted by Angelwinged_Devil

I remember last time I tried giving you advice, using a defensive setup and you said the same thing too, maybe... I'll soon see a pet saying "valorius rageway" if you ever decide to come back.

AWD, you don't even know how archers skills are working (you proofed it in another thread) but you wanna say a very experinced hunter how to change a setup..."Mr balance" seems to know all best

I think Valorius was very successful with her setup

Also, I don't understand this: On the one hand you say he should use a defensive setup, on the other hand you call her "runaway"

He played mostly petless, so he had an evasive setup...

[DemonMonger]

hunters are not out of balance at all
Other people that feel hunter are out of balance need to first get to level 50
then they need to reset powers and find out the perfect combination of skills
you cant use all offensive and expect to win easy....
you cant pick all defensive and expect to live..
balance yourself with the skills you have and youll see that the only problem with balance was from within yourself! And the skills you have chosen....

personally i know hunter is not perfectly balanced until level 50.... same with warlock....

[Comp]

You know....I'm beginning to think that the balance issue isn't as bad as many think.

I initially posted this because of all the other' complaining and I was trying to be a good "community mate" and make it more well known. So let me think out loud if I may.

A hunter who deploys SoW + hide is using the tools given to him to evade or attack. Okay, I can agree that NGD probably has a greater end in mind for all other classes to counter this combination. However, if you think about it all classes can already counter this.

In my opinion (now that I have slept on it) all classes already have tools to defeat the elusive hunter; however, very few deploy them. Perhaps it is because they only want to see death and much RP and choose not to put points into that discipline. I myself do not use confuse because I want to have a pet and hit a bit harder. Anyway, lets go down the list:

The following skills are available for use to keep a hunter from using any defensive (or offensive) spells:

Conjurer:
- Silence
- Tremor

Warlock:
- Meteor
- MOD

Knights (Disadvantage - no area):
- Shield bash

Barbs:
- Howl

Archers:
- Confuse

I'm sure there are more - but those are the one's I know off the top of my head. The only one here with a disadvantage is knights as they do not have an area dizzy or a ranged dizzy.

I'm actually quite happy that this thread has caused so much dialogue within the community.

[Angelwinged_Devil]

Originally Posted by DemonMonger

personally i know hunter is not perfectly balanced until level 50.... same with warlock....

then they should be balanced at lower levels, don't you agree?

Originally Posted by cumeritaranes

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I feel too tired quoting all of the things but I think you are biased against me being a noob.

the advice I gave to use tricks a pet and longbow/shortbow was because of the offensiveness in it needed to counter a barbs offense, if he doesn't hit with his hammer, big deal he'll try again a bit later, nothing he needs mana for.

Plus he uses caution, something which can be countered with sudden strike, and dirty fighting when he gets up close(but I heard this doesn't really work that well.)
You use combat control spells which makes him unable to hit you or your pet while you and your pet is hitting him, although with unstoppable madness...

defensive doesn't mean run away from everything it means to fight defensively, before he was a marksman with tracking skills :]

taking care of the game? You should have seen what kind of things he infected the syrtis realm with then. But christ... I don't want this to be yet another we hate valorius rageway thread

Solarus, I think the problem with these spells is not the spells but well, when they do not hit it's kinda dull.
I most of the time try to use these combat control spells to disable an enemy. but I can't count on anything else than luck when dealing with some archers.

[CumeriTarenes]

I agree with you compoundius. But you also have to agree that hunters became a bit stronger with last update. Before camo was an defensive spell mainly, after the updae a hunter can use camo for both, combined with sotw


The changelog says this:

- Spell: Camouflage: Minor duration adjustments, its function changed from defensive to offensive. Pet hides with the owner as well.

But actually it is both, offensive and defensive. Hunter were very balanced before the update in my opinion, only bad for them was that pets did not get invisible. But now they have a very bit too much power imho.

It is realy only a very bit, and actually it is no big deal for me. But it would be nice to see in the next update either implemented a counter spell for sotw and/or camo while it is active or make it that hunters cannot cast camo when beeing attacked. You don't even have to change sotw, because you can still atack when the hunter is under sotw. So any attack, it doesn't matter if evaded, blocked or resisted should cancel camo....the same mechanism that works when you try to log out or to change charaker while beeing attacked. Because, as it is now you can compare camo with loging out...you have almost now chance to get the hunter under camo

[fluffy_muffin]

Originally Posted by Solarus

Conjurer:
- Silence
- Tremor

Warlock:
- Meteor
- MOD

Add Darkness and combine it with slow and ivy.
5 lvl slow is real pain :]

[CumeriTarenes]

Originally Posted by Angelwinged_Devil

I feel too tired quoting all of the things but I think you are biased against me being a noob.

No, but you are biased against archers...

AWD, don't try to say a experienced player in his how to set up their setup when you are a nOOb in that class.

I am sure Valorius knows what setup is good against barbs...but this is maybe bad against other classes. You can't exspect to win against every class with a setup, every setup is weak against some classes and strong against others.

And...to use sudden strike in tricks, well...I think every archer has tricks o the level to use sudden strike and ambush

And yes, Val takes care of the game. But ppl like you made him to leave, even when I have to admit I were very harsh to him too. But if someone is saying crap you have to be rude sometimes.

Actually Val brought some tactics to syrtis. Since he left the game syrtis became very weak...

[Angelwinged_Devil]

Originally Posted by CumeriTarenes

No, but you are biased against archers...

nono, I'm biased against archerevasion XD

Originally Posted by cumeritaranes

but this is maybe bad against other classes. You can't exspect to win against every class with a setup, every setup is weak against some classes and strong against others.

I know this

Originally Posted by cumeritaranes

And...to use sudden strike in tricks, well...I think every archer has tricks o the level to use sudden strike and ambush

although distracting shot would be useful too and on a higher level these would be even more useful, and caltrops arrow to slow them down, well ensnaring arrow can be used too.

Originally Posted by cumeritaranes

Actually Val brought some tactics to syrtis. Since he left the game syrtis became very weak...

actually I experienced syrtis using tactics after he left.

[DemonMonger]

Originally Posted by Solarus

You know....I'm beginning to think that the balance issue isn't as bad as many think.

I initially posted this because of all the other' complaining and I was trying to be a good "community mate" and make it more well known. So let me think out loud if I may.

A hunter who deploys SoW + hide is using the tools given to him to evade or attack. Okay, I can agree that NGD probably has a greater end in mind for all other classes to counter this combination. However, if you think about it all classes can already counter this.

In my opinion (now that I have slept on it) all classes already have tools to defeat the elusive hunter; however, very few deploy them. Perhaps it is because they only want to see death and much RP and choose not to put points into that discipline. I myself do not use confuse because I want to have a pet and hit a bit harder. Anyway, lets go down the list:

The following skills are available for use to keep a hunter from using any defensive (or offensive) spells:

Conjurer:
- Silence
- Tremor

Warlock:
- Meteor
- MOD

Knights (Disadvantage - no area):
- Shield bash

Barbs:
- Howl

Archers:
- Confuse

I'm sure there are more - but those are the one's I know off the top of my head. The only one here with a disadvantage is knights as they do not have an area dizzy or a ranged dizzy.

I'm actually quite happy that this thread has caused so much dialogue within the community.

Thank god you see the light!!!!!
Balance lies within the players themselves .... they must find and use thier skills

[DkySven]

To be honest, I never ever saw a group of Syrteans, who was with more then 5 people using tactics.