Marksman armor levels (again)

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Valorius in all due respect...

When are you going to stop counting one person as the entire class?

First you say because of Yoseba barbs are over powered, and now this? So if you encounter 1 opponent that happens to beat you (it seems as such a shock to you) that instantly means to you that the entire class, everyone is overpowered.

Isnt that like what the media does to the church? They find one priest that rapes some kids then call the rest of the priests kiddy dindelers too?

Originally Posted by Valorius

I guess i need the bow you got. You see the dmg i do with a lvl 50 master bow.

Originally Posted by zielski

Sure. You can buy it in Korsum.

Ahahahaha...

Originally Posted by magnet

Sorry for the misunderstanding. I was eating pastas (quite good actually) and I thought a bit further of the matter.

It is true that if the best Hunter in whole Regnum dies against another player, his class must be overpowered -- except if this class is itself Hunter of course. Other enemy players, like Conjurers and Knights sacrificing points for skills that don't benefit them directly at all -- but only their allies -- (skill such as Deflecting Barrier or Mana Pylon) don't mean the game should be unbalanced towards Valorius.

If a player has shown the ability to reach over 100k Rps, mind you even be the first of his own realm to get over 100k Rps, then it's obvious his voice should weight more than those of the ignorant masses. Especially when the said player obviously knows so well the game mechanics (natural for the best Hunter).

Thus I have carefully reconsidered my mind and I totally agree with Valorius. This fight is gross. The fact that the cause of the low attacks on the said Marksman is mostly independent of the fact that he's Marksman or that 90% of the defensive capabilities of a Marksman are shared with a Hunter is totally irrelevant to the conversation; if it were a Conjurer on Valorius' side giving him the benefit of Mana Pylon, Marksmen would still be overpowered.

I immediately call NGD to reason and in the name of the best Hunter of the game, demand an immediate nerf of Barbarians and Marksmen.

AHAHAHA...omg this whole thread is filled with hilariousness....

This is why I love these threads. Suggestion: Balance the game so all players are even to Valorius

[ncvr]

It is not one person, it is almost all lvl 40+ Marksmen.

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Originally Posted by Necrovarus

It is not one person, it is almost all lvl 40+ Marksmen.

Then really a change in setup or class is needed if thats what Valorius wants. Like Kailer said very well, he knows the risks he takes when he uses spells like dirty fighting.

Boom you switch to a setup thats good on marksman, but then what gives? It sucks on another class?! What can this mean?

Im sure it has nothing to do with the fact that you will never find a setup that is effective on all classes. Yea im sure it can't be that

[ncvr]

Actually if I remember correctly...

Originally Posted by Valorius

I have a good setup against warjurors, but against Marksmen I'm a little lacking

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Originally Posted by Necrovarus

Actually if I remember correctly...

There you go

Originally Posted by Rated_R_Edge

Boom you switch to a setup thats good on marksman, but then what gives? It sucks on another class?! What can this mean?

[magnet]

Originally Posted by ljwolfe

SO... why does most of the playerbase view hunters or warlocks as significantly more powerful than marksman?

this is an rvr game, not an archer vs archer game.

Hunters get the out of jail free cards, including speed and camo.

As a matter of fact, most of the playerbase view Marksmen as the most overpowered class, as seen here:

http://www.regnumonline.com.ar/forum...ad.php?t=21507
+ http://www.regnumonline.com.ar/forum...t=21723&page=2

(Spanish version + English version);

Adding "General Archers" to Hunters & Marksmen, "General Warriors" to Knights & Barbarians, "General Mages" to Warlocks & Conjurers, not making distinctions between very overpowered, and overpowered (distinction made in the Spanish poll):

Marksmen: 62 (32 spanish -- including 19 for "very overpowered", first option of the poll, 30 english)
Hunters: 46 (13 spanish, 33 english)
Barbarians: 40 (22 spanish, 18 english)
Warlocks: 31 (6 spanish -- including 4 for "very overpowered", 25 english; make your conclusions)
Conjurers: 8 (3 spanish, 5 english)
Knights: 6 (3 spanish, 3 english)

Yes, as you can see, twice "the player base" thinks Marksmen are overpowered over Warlock -- and by much in the Spanish community.

Why the difference? Well, I'd say Spanish people in the Balance forum tend to know the game better than the population of the *general English forum", but that's only my interpretation.

Cheers.

PS: the two polls were made about at the same time (the English one just after) so we're talking about the same game revision.

[Domino_]

Well if u think that marksmen are overpowered, then start to play them and stop whining...
About marks vs hunter at war, marksmen has more armor spells (about your critic dmg) and more dealdy spells so nothing strange that he kills u..
I also have a marks and at war i do some enemy's marks this dmg too, nothing weird ...

PS. I was really missing this thread !!

[magnet]

Originally Posted by Excavator

Well if u think that marksmen are overpowered, then start to play them and stop whining...
About marks vs hunter at war, marksmen has more armor spells (about your critic dmg) and more dealdy spells so nothing strange that he kills u..
I also have a marks and at war i do some enemy's marks this dmg too, nothing weird ...

Actually I play a marksman. And I still find them overpowered (even more so now). I'm sick of this straw hat argument of "if you don't like it, play it". How about YOU try to play other classes rather than Archers for a change and learn about balance? I play 5 classes out of 6 so I think I am entitled to my opinion -- and you sir are just making assumptions: just like Valorius.

You were prolly replying to Valorius though. Doesn't change the fact that it's a moot argument, sorry

[Valour]

A hunters pet often hits me quite hard through my protection, just having the right pet because some don't ^^

A hunters job should be to sneak up on the marksman anyway to catch him out imho..

Tear apart and break apart are a pain and not many marksmen invest points in that theirselves.

[Domino_]

Originally Posted by magnet

Actually I play a marksman. And I still find them overpowered (even more so now). I'm sick of this straw hat argument of "if you don't like it, play it". How about YOU try to play other classes rather than Archers for a change and learn about balance? I play 5 classes out of 6 so I think I am entitled to my opinion -- and you sir are just making assumptions: just like Valorius.

You were prolly replying to Valorius though. Doesn't change the fact that it's a moot argument, sorry

I play more classes too, and i KNOW that all class can kill each other, depends only on settings, and marksmen have no buffs for allies = more dmging spells. Maybe thats why u think that they are overpowered !!