Disable South Cross - Page 8

-RedStar- · 10-08-2008, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by bigjim

As a knight I currently use south cross and ripost level 4. I was using blunt 15, and piercing 15. I use slashing tree on 15 for disable limb, but if NGD were to disable south cross; I would switch black to blunt on 15. Anyways, there are many ways to counteract south cross. I wish people would find out those before complaining about a spell, because I am sick of it really.

ok please tell me what can i do to counter it?ive been trying to figure it out for months now and still no good solution...if the barb evades some spells im dead meat...

DkySven · 10-08-2008, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by -RedStar-

ok please tell me what can i do to counter it?ive been trying to figure it out for months now and still no good solution...if the barb evades some spells im dead meat...

When you cast Army of One, the average SC-Monkey has no clue what to do about it and is hitting you for SC of 200 dmg the next 30 sec. Of course not all barbs are like that, so the other two options are to knock the barb down or to dizzy him.

-RedStar- · 10-08-2008, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by asdfghs

When you cast Army of One, the average SC-Monkey has no clue what to do about it and is hitting you for SC of 200 dmg the next 30 sec. Of course not all barbs are like that, so the other two options are to knock the barb down or to dizzy him.

army of one - meh it was like that few months ago...now i see scers running around till it expires or using ms(too easy to combine wit hsc and ripost)....what do i do when he has UM and my ms didnt work?

Heglin · 10-08-2008, 09:53 PM

Mind squasher often screw the "SC is my only skill" barbs up badly. If MS doesn't work you'll always have AoO or protector a nicely timed protector can destroy a enemy. Atleast they often drain their own mana without causing much dmg that way (can be used to buy time for another squasher too).

If MS works then just knock down and slaughter him.

The mega buffed SC users is just a problem when you face 2 or 3 of them at the same time, otherwise a more balanced barb is a bigger challenge imo.

bigjim · 10-08-2008, 10:56 PM

When it is a 1vs1 situation. Say you meet a barb near pb, and you are a knight. Of course this applys mostly to a lvl 45+ knight, and personally I don't think a knight reaches full potential until level 50. Unlike other classes, like the marksmen who have great damage at 40 and barb who can do great damage 42+. As a knight I like to cast disable limb, and run like hell till I get support, and as a knight I can find out that you can usually get to help in time. I lasted 15 minutes vs a hunter yesterday, and Ironfoot got there in time to help me. Two knights working together is something a barb can't handle. Now a mage honestly is in big trouble vs a rushing barb if you don't have ivy, mindpush, will domain and even slow. Too much is based on luck, which I still don't like.

-RedStar- · 10-09-2008, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by bigjim

When it is a 1vs1 situation. Say you meet a barb near pb, and you are a knight. Of course this applys mostly to a lvl 45+ knight, and personally I don't think a knight reaches full potential until level 50. Unlike other classes, like the marksmen who have great damage at 40 and barb who can do great damage 42+. As a knight I like to cast disable limb, and run like hell till I get support, and as a knight I can find out that you can usually get to help in time. I lasted 15 minutes vs a hunter yesterday, and Ironfoot got there in time to help me. Two knights working together is something a barb can't handle. Now a mage honestly is in big trouble vs a rushing barb if you don't have ivy, mindpush, will domain and even slow. Too much is based on luck, which I still don't like.

the point is not to last its to defeat the opponent...imo lvl50 means shit,at lvl44 you can kill anyone,higher lvl only means a little more skill and pow points.
so why do ya need help to handle a hunter?imo you need to learn more about knights,no offence....

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Originally Posted by eddius

Mind squasher often screw the "SC is my only skill" barbs up badly. If MS doesn't work you'll always have AoO or protector a nicely timed protector can destroy a enemy. Atleast they often drain their own mana without causing much dmg that way (can be used to buy time for another squasher too).

yes i know but it also often doesent work so then im screwed :P
the thing is that alot of barbs learned that protector means no attack so they regain mana and dont attack(unless there are more then one of them).

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Originally Posted by eddius

The mega buffed SC users is just a problem when you face 2 or 3 of them at the same time, otherwise a more balanced barb is a bigger challenge imo.

like Melu I and lord altair >.<

bigjim · 10-09-2008, 11:05 PM

lol redstar!

Of course I need to learn more as a knight. I have the general idea, because I am talking to people, and I see all the spells the good knights have cast in offense/defense in the past. I just have to put them into use, and learn on my own. I agree I need to learn more, but if it is ok can I ask you for some advice later on? I am almost lvl 47, so I am getting there. I have a real delima with what 2 weapon trees two use.

Oh, well my problem was I couldn't keep him knocked/immoblized long enough, or he resisted. I then had to run after him, and with spring at lvl 3 atm I don't think that is a possibility. Maybe I can pm you or something.

DkySven · 10-10-2008, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by bigjim

Oh, well my problem was I couldn't keep him knocked/immoblized long enough, or he resisted. I then had to run after him, and with spring at lvl 3 atm I don't think that is a possibility. Maybe I can pm you or something.

This is one of the things that's pissing me off in fighting hunters. It's so damm hard to get close to them often enough to kill them. Although disabling limb works great in this.

bigjim · 10-10-2008, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by asdfghs

This is one of the things that's pissing me off in fighting hunters. It's so damm hard to get close to them often enough to kill them. Although disabling limb works great in this.

Yea it's why I use it, or did, but I know mindsquasher on the blunt tree is much more practical. I just don't like blunt personally at all.

Hally · 10-15-2008, 09:21 PM

After reading this thread I do have the feeling that most of the disagreement about SC comes from the fact that players without SC only remember the biggest SC they received.

As a SC user, I know I can do 2.5k, but most of the time it lies between 1 and 1.5k, which is of course strong I agree. But it is also a choice : except SC the bettest barbs spells are in the other discipline which means that if you want to have a good SC, you accept to remove other good spells.

Non-SC users dont know at all the efforts that a Barb has to do get a SC higher than 2k ! He has to spell at least 4 to 5 buffs before, and to have put most of his powers on damage/force enhancement. Just think at what can a archer or a mage can do during the barb's buff casting (off with their head, berzerk, thisrt for blood, etc ... ) ! There are some tactics to prevent from high damages, and some players have understood that !
Think also that to do such damages the barbs has to renounce to defensive spells...

Anyway my main point is that most of you remember the very strong damages that they once received and forget about most of the SC that are far to make 2k damage.
Anyway, I really dont mind if SC is removed or reduced : I will turn back to spears of blunt weapons that are also very powerfull.

10-08-2008, 09:53 PM	#74
Heglin Initiate Join Date: May 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 136	Mind squasher often screw the "SC is my only skill" barbs up badly. If MS doesn't work you'll always have AoO or protector a nicely timed protector can destroy a enemy. Atleast they often drain their own mana without causing much dmg that way (can be used to buy time for another squasher too). If MS works then just knock down and slaughter him. The mega buffed SC users is just a problem when you face 2 or 3 of them at the same time, otherwise a more balanced barb is a bigger challenge imo. __________________ Heglin lvl 55 Dwarf Knight Hewdir lvl 50 Nordo Marksman Hegrulun lvl 60 Utghar Conjurer Heglina lvl 44 Warlock Smaerta Och Lidande lvl 60 Dwarf Hunter

10-08-2008, 10:56 PM	#75
bigjim Baron Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: United States Posts: 947	When it is a 1vs1 situation. Say you meet a barb near pb, and you are a knight. Of course this applys mostly to a lvl 45+ knight, and personally I don't think a knight reaches full potential until level 50. Unlike other classes, like the marksmen who have great damage at 40 and barb who can do great damage 42+. As a knight I like to cast disable limb, and run like hell till I get support, and as a knight I can find out that you can usually get to help in time. I lasted 15 minutes vs a hunter yesterday, and Ironfoot got there in time to help me. Two knights working together is something a barb can't handle. Now a mage honestly is in big trouble vs a rushing barb if you don't have ivy, mindpush, will domain and even slow. Too much is based on luck, which I still don't like. __________________ Refetan 60 barb, Schlong 59 lock - Haven Syrtis

10-09-2008, 11:05 PM	#77
bigjim Baron Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: United States Posts: 947	lol redstar! Of course I need to learn more as a knight. I have the general idea, because I am talking to people, and I see all the spells the good knights have cast in offense/defense in the past. I just have to put them into use, and learn on my own. I agree I need to learn more, but if it is ok can I ask you for some advice later on? I am almost lvl 47, so I am getting there. I have a real delima with what 2 weapon trees two use. Oh, well my problem was I couldn't keep him knocked/immoblized long enough, or he resisted. I then had to run after him, and with spring at lvl 3 atm I don't think that is a possibility. Maybe I can pm you or something. __________________ Refetan 60 barb, Schlong 59 lock - Haven Syrtis

10-15-2008, 09:21 PM	#80
Hally Pledge Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 32	After reading this thread I do have the feeling that most of the disagreement about SC comes from the fact that players without SC only remember the biggest SC they received. As a SC user, I know I can do 2.5k, but most of the time it lies between 1 and 1.5k, which is of course strong I agree. But it is also a choice : except SC the bettest barbs spells are in the other discipline which means that if you want to have a good SC, you accept to remove other good spells. Non-SC users dont know at all the efforts that a Barb has to do get a SC higher than 2k ! He has to spell at least 4 to 5 buffs before, and to have put most of his powers on damage/force enhancement. Just think at what can a archer or a mage can do during the barb's buff casting (off with their head, berzerk, thisrt for blood, etc ... ) ! There are some tactics to prevent from high damages, and some players have understood that ! Think also that to do such damages the barbs has to renounce to defensive spells... Anyway my main point is that most of you remember the very strong damages that they once received and forget about most of the SC that are far to make 2k damage. Anyway, I really dont mind if SC is removed or reduced : I will turn back to spears of blunt weapons that are also very powerfull.