Marksman damage

[-Drv-]

Originally Posted by Vroek

I tested this on all offensive characters, dex/str/int all gave.
Very slow 2.3
Slow 1.9
Medium 1.5
Fast 1.1
I also tested it on my hunter it was,
Slow 1.2
Medium 1.0
Fast 0.8

To make the testing time effective it was done on Amun, i dread that i was unlucky and did while NGD made some test on it.

Otherwise i totally agree with old values, and the 90-20 dex formula.

It seem to be the case, on horus i get 1.5 with a slow bow.
What a waste of time. :/

the test you did were good but you haven't noticed that there were 2 damage nerfes (maybe you did the tests before the second nerf): the first was general (for all the classes) the second was only for archers and mages

[UmarilsStillHere]

Originally Posted by -Drv-

mages

Unless you mean the changes to SM I have no idea what you are on about, when the normal hits and % based spells of archers and warriors were hit hard, mage spells with fixed damage remained the same*

*iirc

[Mattdoesrock]

I think he meant the damage Int gave to normal hits.

[Minorian]

I'm confused, I see no comparison whatsoever between HotP and RA. RA eats your mana for breakfast, and HotP is a passive. Not to mention that RA is a %, so a marx with cheap gear will do crap dmg and a marx with uber gear will be insane.

I think the heart of the marks problem is this....

Every other class gets their subclass bonus for free. After you become a knight you get your shield, barbs get 2h weaps, hunters get pets, conju get heals, sorcery warju, locks get crazy ass spells.

Now consider this, to get their subclass bonus marks need to spend 20 mana per arrow, and still do pretty bad damage. This makes marks extremely low on mana, reducing all effectiveness. I think just making RA passive would solve every problem marksmen have, they wouldn't be out of mana 24/7, and they could once again do their job.

NOTE: you do have to pay in mana for mage subclass bonuses, but I didn't count it as they get mana and health for basically free.

[Silent_Shadow]

Originally Posted by Need_More_Invasions

Now consider this, to get their subclass bonus marks need to spend 20 mana per arrow, and still do pretty bad damage. This makes marks extremely low on mana, reducing all effectiveness. I think just making RA passive would solve every problem marksmen have, they wouldn't be out of mana 24/7, and they could once again do their job.

+1.
I would be a lot more happy with my marks if RA was a passive. However, I have to point out that Foresight is a passive power only for marks. So isn't that their subclass bonus?

[Minorian]

5-15%? its bullshit. 1.5-4.5, really, its nothing.

[Mbwana]

Originally Posted by Need_More_Invasions

5-15%? its bullshit. 1.5-4.5, really, its nothing.

I would disagree here, but its been a long time since I played marks (he's on vacation somewhere....) and I'm also sleepy so I can't put in a good argument

[Revolverxxx]

Originally Posted by Silent_Shadow

+1.
I would be a lot more happy with my marks if RA was a passive. However, I have to point out that Foresight is a passive power only for marks. So isn't that their subclass bonus?

its true, a marksmans primary attribute is his range and not his damage. NGD doesnt want marksman to be long ranged killing machines as they have stated.

ive stressed this over and over, the best way to improve marksman and keep the balance is to double the effects of foresight and remove the range limits of the CC spells in the tricks tree.

at the moment most marksmans play the role of snipers even tho they not as good at it as they used to be. Look up Enio's support builds. thats the way marksman are meant to be played (in NGD's eyes). Not as fun might i add but way more effecient than spamming 3 damaging skills then hiding behind a tree and waiting for your mana to come back. its sad that an offensive class has to resort to this.

[Silent_Shadow]

Originally Posted by Revolverxxx

its true, a marksmans primary attribute is his range and not his damage. NGD doesnt want marksman to be long ranged killing machines as they have stated.

Yes. I remember when we were human cannons so much fun. Anyways, so I can agree to giving Foresight more range. If that happened, I'd be fine with RA not as a passive though that would be nice.