To Upgrade or Not To Upgrade that is the question.....

[VandaMan]

Originally Posted by WynaWynn

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I don't see what gay marriage has to do with any of this.

[Altara]

You cant help who you fall in love with,
if a man loves a man so be it.

[Vythica]

Originally Posted by Altara

You can't help but be a coward if a man falls in love with another man.

I think love is a beautiful thing. If WynnaWynn wants to marry another man, that's his inalienable human right and you and Van shouldn't be calling him a coward for that. This thread makes me sick. Don't worry Wynna, I've got your back.

[Vythica]

Originally Posted by ignisadw

Edit: Sorry for the late reply, guess its pointless since WynnaR invoked Godwin's Law.

You can't just invoke Godwin's law. The conversation actually has to degenerate into that state.

Also @ WynnaWynn, you know what really pisses me off? Stupid jackasses like yourself, who come into a game forum, have no standing in the community, and brag about how big their epeen is. Pour example "I've moderated forums hundreds of times as big as this one". Good, I'm glad, go back to them. All you sorry ass people do is come to shit disturb. Well, here's a clue. Nobody gives a rats ass about your forum moderation prowess. Also, since I haven't posted on topic this whole time; upgrading a fort is cowardly. Period. It's done by douchebags who are either farming, or trying to hold for their zerg to get there and farm. NO exceptions. Go away now. Nobody likes you.

[Patience-Ana]

This post is directed only at those who have posted since Wynn's invocation of Godwin's law. It applies to posts made by the same posters prior to that invocation, as well as posts made by them after that invocation.

Originally Posted by Patience-Ana

The question becomes how much tolerance there is of varying points of view, and styles of play, it seems.

It seems to me that the above question has been answered from your point of view. And the answer is that you have zero tolerance for points of view that are different from yours. You accuse me of the same, but I think that is an erroneous accusation. You have gone to great lengths, including personal attacks (which you deny) to try to discredit those who disagree with you.

It was never my intention to enter into yet another form of competition and gameplay. I wasn't thinking of the forum as some kind of pvp arena. Many of you appear to see it that way, and once a person steps into the arena, it seems cowardly not to defend oneself, and call a spade a spade.

But I tire of your tactics. I tire of continued repetition of the same thing, over and over again. And the last round of posts was just blatant jabbing.

Obviously, HNK is does not take a conformist approach to playing the game. Why make a new clan if it is just going to be like any other clan? Our reasons for upgrading are not the reasons you assume that we have for upgrading. I have explained the reasons, but you continue to operate on your original assumptions.

I can say without reservation that farming is not a goal of our clan. On the contrary, those who oppose our defense of Alga are more likely to have the goal of farming. As a matter of fact, one player specifically indicated that he did not want us to take back the fort one time because he wanted to continue to farm rp. At that time, the enemy outnumbered the Syrtis forces. Obviously, his only goal was to gain more rp. Personally, I felt like we, the Syrtis fighters, were being farmed.

[ncvr]

Okay. Let's take another shot at this.

The reason you cited for upgrading was, more or less, to make it easier for your side to hold the fort.

This is exactly what we're against. How can you possibly find watching some AIs fight enemies fun?

Originally Posted by Patience-Ana

This post is directed only at those who have posted since Wynn's invocation of Godwin's law. It applies to posts made by the same posters prior to that invocation, as well as posts made by them after that invocation.

k. I don't quite understand the need to summarize in 2 lines what could be summarized in, well, none, but k.

Originally Posted by Patience-Ana

It seems to me that the above question has been answered from your point of view. And the answer is that you have zero tolerance for points of view that are different from yours.

Uh huh. No, actually, it went something like this...
You ask community's opinion.
Altara gives her opinion.
You get offended by said opinion and start attacking her.

Originally Posted by Patience-Ana

You accuse me of the same, but I think that is an erroneous accusation.

I think it's absolutely correct. I also find it somewhat odd that you only seem to address Altara to any great point in your points. Got an e-crush on her, have you? Well that's adorable.

Originally Posted by Patience-Ana

I wasn't thinking of the forum as some kind of pvp arena. Many of you appear to see it that way, and once a person steps into the arena, it seems cowardly not to defend oneself, and call a spade a spade.

A forum is a forum. You don't want to reply? Then don't.

Originally Posted by Patience-Ana

I tire of continued repetition of the same thing, over and over again.

I tire of the fact that you are ignoring all of our arguments. If you addressed them, if you actually read and paid attention to our posts, maybe we wouldn't have to constantly repeat things to you.

Originally Posted by Patience-Ana

Obviously, HNK is does not take a conformist approach to playing the game.

The game is relatively lax in that regard - almost all playing styles and setup styles are viable, instead of being pidgeon-holed into a specific setup like many games. I don't understand why you have to "not conform" by ruining everyone else's fun though.

Originally Posted by Patience-Ana

I am mad, bro.

Obviously. Listen, if you don't want to listen to what we have to say, there's this ignore option in the user CP.


To be honest, I'm really beginning to think you're a genuine troll now. If you are, just admit it because you did a good job. You really had me going there.

[Patience-Ana]

Originally Posted by Patience-Ana

Upgrading a fort just means it takes a smaller team more TIME to take the fort. AND, if there are players online who care about defending the fort, they might be able to get there in time to prevent its capture. Or, if someone is actually AT the fort, they can alert allies to the attack when it begins, and possibly prevent capture of the fort.

The above is my explanation for why we upgrade Algaros. One player stated to me, after this thread was started, that he thinks it is a waste of gold to upgrade Algaros because it takes too long to get there. So...even with upgrading, the odds that it will be taken are pretty high. But without upgrading, (and even with upgrading, as Altara has pointed out) the fort is highly likely to be taken. Our point is that we like to have a chance to actually fight before the fort is taken, rather than waiting until the enemy has the advantage of being in the fort.

So we are not trying to ruin everyone else's opportunity to fight with other players. We are actually INCREASING the chances that you, the enemy, and we, Syrtis, will have the opportunity to fight with other players. The enemy has the element of surprise. All we are trying to do is work with a viable response to surprise.

[Patience-Ana]

Wow, Necro, you seem to have edited your post before I even composed my reply. And you seem to have initially replied pretty much immediately after I posted. Are forum posting and playing RO your occupations in life?

As for my feelings about Altara, well, they are quite the opposite of a crush. I'm not into women (although I can't be certain that Altara actually IS a woman) and even if I was, I would not be into the "Old Warrioress" type of woman. In case my gender is in question here, I am not one of those people who plays a character that is not the same gender as the player themselves.

And I did not say, "I am mad, bro". I said I am weary. Weary is not the same as mad, at all.

[ncvr]

Here we go with the personal attacks again.

Yeah, I edited (<-- this button is here so you don't have to double post!) my replies before you posted. Both times. Does it matter? Does it matter that another point came to mind?

Let's have a look at all the personal attacks you've subtly (not really) hidden in this post.

Are forum posting and playing RO your occupations in life?

Btw, I care about your opinion of me.

Deeply and with great fervour.

(although I can't be certain that Altara actually IS a woman)

I'm going to go back to my previous question. Why are you getting so upset over someone's opinion on a video game forum?

[ieti]

Upgrading a fort to level 4 is stupid. It becomes nearly uncapturable and constantly camped. Levels 1 to 3 are pretty fine.

For me level 4 have to be restricted and enabled only if gate timer is started. In that case you being and attacker or defender will receive and valuable aid from GC. All other cases getting fort to level 4 simply kills the fun.

Last night we tried 5 times to get level 4 Aggers that was doorless. We failed. Do we played bad, i do not think so! We gived up and logged. Is this fun?