3 hit kill!!!

[Pizdzius]

Originally Posted by Znurre

I can't see any normal hits for 1k here, can you?

I can't see any SC here

[makarios68]

Originally Posted by Znurre

I want to add to the discussion...
So only because some barbarians buff up like insane and cast South Cross or Rippost you should nerf the barbarian itself?

There will still be these idiots buffing up like insane, causing - even if not as high damage - abnormally high damage compared to other classes.

It's like nerfing the base evasion of the hunter to get rid of SOTW problems, it just doesn't work!
I do not think that nerfing the base damage of the barbarian is the way to go, it will only bring less variety to the game.

For everyone who wants to know reality... this is a screenshot taken yesterday near Trelle save.
Hunter, buffed up with acrobatics.
I can't see any normal hits for 1k here, can you?

Znurre is right.

This is the dmg many barbs commonly deal out (mine for sure).

The insane dmg that occasionally gets reported on here is done with beserk and colossus and other dmg buffs, by barbs whose only tactic is to do as much dmg as possible.

So clearly the way to go is not to nerf the base dmg of barbs, but to put proper penalties on these high dmg buffs, and of course to nerf s/c.

[Znurre]

Originally Posted by aardvak2669

I can't see any SC here

Exactly!
So the problem is not with the barbarian - it is with South Cross!

[Pizdzius]

Originally Posted by Znurre

Exactly!
So the problem is not with the barbarian - it is with South Cross!

SC + barbs, that's what I say. SC was made for knights imho so they actually can deal damage

[Angelwinged_Devil]

Originally Posted by gph

You just need mind push against madness ... stop whining please and go ask arkenion how to do it.

I do use mind push, please stop flaming and don't call me a noob. There is a counter against mind push

Originally Posted by vroek

there are even more ways to drain a barbarians mana

you don't have a lot of time to steal mana really...

[Znurre]

Originally Posted by aardvak2669

SC + barbs, that's what I say. SC was made for knights imho so they actually can deal damage

Sorry Piz, but I think you are wrong.

SC is wrong in the hands of a knight too because this class is not intended to deal damages high as 2k dmg.
It's just that you overlook this issue because it is not as high damages as the ones caused by a barb, but the problem is still there.
I have seen several knights that manages just fine without South Cross, as I have seen barbs that does.

South Cross is overpowered in the hand of any class, because it gives 125% more damage than your base damage and then it does not matter what base damage you have because the spell itself is overpowered!

[_dracus_]

Originally Posted by Necrovarus

There are *many* counters a barb has against Mind push.

Oh explains all the way because it's not clear to me ...

[_dracus_]

Originally Posted by Angelwinged_Devil

I do use mind push, please stop flaming and don't call me a noob. There is a counter against mind push


you don't have a lot of time to steal mana really...

No there is not ... NOOB.

[ncvr]

Deafening Roar, Howl.

[Pizdzius]

Of course I am wrong, it's just my point of view
Still, a gutting lvl 1 shouldn't hit for over 1k. None lvl 1 skill should hit that high