Arcane Ancient Hammer of Magnanite

[survive]

Sorry if this is talked about elsewhere, I couldn't find a definitive answer here, in the wiki, or using google-fu.... so tell me community,

Is the Arcane Ancient Hammer of Magnanite (1-handed) a Knight lvl 55 only weapon, or is it a warrior lvl 55 requirement? (as far as in it's current incarnation of play).

Thanks for all help and answers. :punk:

[Wi3ld]

http://regnum.wikia.com/wiki/Arcane_Ancient_Hammer

Looks like Knight

[survive]

Problem is... this one from the same Wiki

http://regnum.wikia.com/wiki/Ancient_Hammer

says that the lvl 45 is for warrior not knight, so did they change it TO warrior, because the only photo I have found of the Arcane Ancient Hammer of Magnanite is in portuguese or something, and has both lvl 45 and 55 hammers listed as the same...

1) were they both knight, and now both are warrior?
2) was the lvl 45 knight, that was changed to warrior?
3) was the lvl 45 warrior, and has been changed to knight?

Boils down to, $20mil gold and 7500 mags is a bit much to start with, but especially to "try it to find out"... and the time to invest just to get to the "try it and find out" stage...

if any one has the lvl 55 one-handed mag hammer... a photo in english would be great.... thank you.

[schachteana]

http://www.championsofregnum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=35003&d=1351723947
.............
:hat:

[survive]

Thanks for the photo, that is the one i was referring to... soooooooo is that knight or warrior? and when was it taken? before or after this supposed change to warrior for the lvl 45?

to be honest, if NGD (frost or Adr) can weigh in here, it would be great, that way i can have an official answer from the team.

Sorry to be a bother, but just got back after 2 years away from RO, and a few long awaited things have changed, and there seems to be a absence of old school vets in Alsius/Haven these days, especially with gear/game mechanics/skill/formulas type knowledge.....

so again.. thank you in advanced for the help...

[Wi3ld]

Thanks for the photo, that is the one i was referring to... soooooooo is that knight or warrior? and when was it taken? before or after this supposed change to warrior for the lvl 45?

to be honest, if NGD (frost or Adr) can weigh in here, it would be great, that way i can have an official answer from the team.

Sorry to be a bother, but just got back after 2 years away from RO, and a few long awaited things have changed, and there seems to be a absence of old school vets in Alsius/Haven these days, especially with gear/game mechanics/skill/formulas type knowledge.....

so again.. thank you in advanced for the help...

Caballero means Knight in Spanish

[Lebeau]

I've said it b4 & will say it again. It seemingly was an unstated intention from early on to 'balance' the 'op-ness' of Mindsquasher by completely denying barbarians the use of almost all endgame 1-handed blunt weapons when lvl cap was raised to 60 (i.e. to somehow 'compensate' these matters by nerf-capping 2-weapon-combo blunt barb's damage/dps potentials; bad idea to begin with, imho). Here we are years later: MS cd has been nerfed hard, oh, but barbs still cannot use these weapons? Uh, are knights right arms just so much bigger & stronger than any barb's? Do the grips somehow mysteriously fit a knight's hand only? FFS! Ok, I do get how a knight must use one-handers only; they use shields. That makes perfect sense. However, what plausible ingame justification is there now (or was there ever, really) for having such an nonsensical 1-handed-weapon-use-ban for the melee class that rightly should be able to wield any & all of every kind? Hmmmm? Just sayin'...

:viking:

[Kyrenis]

I've said it b4 & will say it again. It seemingly was an unstated intention from early on to 'balance' the 'op-ness' of Mindsquasher by completely denying barbarians the use of almost all endgame 1-handed blunt weapons when lvl cap was raised to 60 (i.e. to 'compensate' by nerf-capping 2-weapon-combo blunt barb's damage/dps potentials). Here we are years later: MS cd has been nerfed hard, oh, but barbs still cannot use these weapons? Uh, are knights right arms just so much bigger & stronger than any barb's? Do the grips somehow mysteriously fit a knight's hand only? FFS! Ok, I do get how a knight must use one-handers only; they use shields. That makes perfect sense. However, what plausible ingame justification is there now (or was there ever, really) for having such an nonsensical 1-handed-weapon-use-ban for the melee class that rightly should be able to wield any & all of them? Hmmmm? Just sayin'...

:viking:
All 1 handed mag weapons are knight specific.... and with good reason.

[Lebeau]

All 1 handed mag weapons are knight specific.... and with good reason.Really? IDTS. Says who? ALL endgame blunt (& only BLUNT) one-handed weapons are classed knight-specific, except crappy pierce wm-hammer. So, let's all hear that "good reason", shall we? Elaborate p & ty, so we can all judge for ourselves....

[Kyrenis]

Really? IDTS. Says who? ALL endgame blunt (& only BLUNT) one-handed weapons are classed knight-specific, except crappy pierce wm-hammer. So, let's all hear that "good reason", shall we? Elaborate p & ty, so we can all judge for ourselves....
Are you asking me if all 1 handed mag weapons are knight specific? They all are, both new and old.

As for why 1 handed mag weapons are knight specific; the DPS is simply too high for barbs to be able to use, imagine a pimped out barb with a new mag spear or sword.

As for why barbs don't have access to most endgame blunt weapons; this is just my opinion, but I feel MS is just too overpowered for barbs to be able to use in its current state. I'd be all for barbs having elite knight hammers/maces once MS gets moved to a different tree/adjusted/removed entirely. (coming from someone who mains barb)

[Wi3ld]

(coming from someone who mains barb)

lul wut do u noe about barbs m8?

[Lebeau]

...OK, just so we are completely clear (for purposes of perspective), what kind of primary weapon does YOUR main, the barb, use btw? (Way too many blade-junkies just don't want to really compete with bluntie-barbies like meself is why I am asking.)

Too high? That's incorrect, the dps would not be TOO high, it would still be equal to or less than a slash or pierce barb's DPS (despite the blunt-ban, all endgame 1-handed slash & pierce type weapons are usable by barbs incidentally). Unless u r saying only blunt barbs should hit like wussies & the 'real' barbs (with blades or polearms) should hit really hard. R u actually saying that?!

So, ah, MS is STILL too OP?! Even with it's new 40-sec-cd (double what it used to be)? Man, so I guess u r totally ok then with 10-sec-cd South cross, yes? Oh, & also ok with Disable Limb as is, which can be recast as soon as it's duration ends? Both are also game-changers (to a degree) each in their own ways. But all of this is from an external game-balance perspective (even if I disagree with your conclusions)....

What INGAME reason could there possibly be for any warrior being disallowed the use of specific kinds of common weaponry? 'Barbo the Blunt' can use all the OTHER maces & hammers, but not THESE maces & hammers? WTF?! There isn't any sort of valid reason. That's the point I'm making. It's just bs. It's totally contrived ... & it needs to be fixed/revised:warning:

[Kyrenis]

OK, just so we are completely clear (for purposes of perspective), what kind of primary weapon does YOUR main, the barb, use btw? (Way too many blade-junkies just don't want to really compete with bluntie-barbies like meself is why I am asking.)
I use a rapier.

Too high? That's incorrect, the dps would not be TOO high, it would still be equal to or less than a slash or pierce barb's DPS (despite the blunt-ban, all endgame 1-handed slash & pierce type weapons are usable by barbs incidentally). Unless u r saying only blunt barbs should hit like wussies & the 'real' barbs (with blades or polearms) should hit really hard. R u actually saying that?!
You clearly didn't read my post correctly. I said 1 handed magnanite weapons on barbs would be too overpowered DPS-wise, not just the mag hammer.

So, ah, MS is STILL too OP?! Even with it's new 40-sec-cd (double what it used to be)?
The CD has changed nothing about how the spell works other than making the spammers wait a mere 20 seconds more.
The spell still instantly removes all buffs on a target, with no way to counter it.
You will probably rebuttal with "its only a 50% chance". NGD's RNG is laughable and shouldn't be taken seriously.

What INGAME reason could there possibly be for any warrior being disallowed the use of specific kinds of common weaponry? 'Barbo the Blunt' can use all the OTHER maces & hammers, but not THESE maces & hammers? WTF?! There isn't any sort of valid reason. That's the point I'm making. It's just bs.
See my other post:
I feel MS is just too overpowered for barbs to be able to use in its current state. I'd be all for barbs having elite knight hammers/maces once MS gets moved to a different tree/adjusted/removed entirely.

I'm curious, why do you think barbs should still be able to use MS?

[halvdan]

Too high? That's incorrect, the dps would not be TOO high, it would still be equal to or less than a slash or pierce barb's DPS (despite the blunt-ban, all endgame 1-handed slash & pierce type weapons are usable by barbs incidentally). Unless u r saying only blunt barbs should hit like wussies & the 'real' barbs (with blades or polearms) should hit really hard. R u actually saying that?!

So, ah, MS is STILL too OP?! Even with it's new 40-sec-cd (double what it used to be)? Man, so I guess u r totally ok then with 10-sec-cd South cross, yes? Oh, & also ok with Disable Limb as is, which can be recast as soon as it's duration ends? Both are also game-changers (to a degree) each in their own ways. But all of this is from an external game-balance perspective (even if I disagree with your conclusions)....

What INGAME reason could there possibly be for any warrior being disallowed the use of specific kinds of common weaponry? 'Barbo the Blunt' can use all the OTHER maces & hammers, but not THESE maces & hammers? WTF?! There isn't any sort of valid reason. That's the point I'm making. It's just bs. It's totally contrived ... & it needs to be fixed/revised:warning:

Kyrenis is absolutely right and you are really funny with your complaints. Nothing is disallowed, just get 2-handed hammer if you want spam MS on barb. Saero made it more than clear, one handed hammer with high damage would be way too OP on barb.

And asking to let barbs use magna hammer is even higher level. As other magna knight weapons it's knight only, I don't think it should be made warrior weapon just cos alsius barbs want to spam MS more effectively besides having really OP weapon.

The subclass restriction of lvl 60 onehanded blunt weapons is one of the very wise things done in this game.

[Wi3ld]

I'm curious, why do you think barbs should still be able to use MS?

So they can destroy the only defence you have against their 4k south crosses, of course.

[The_Pirate]

Barbs already hit hard enough - mage barriers taken out in 1.5 hits, archers def is no def vs kick+fulmi, barb defence vs barb attack is negligible. Only knights stand a chance.

Barbs don't need the added nastiness of debuffing.MS would be a fair knight only skill.

Having said that, I'm enjoying trying to develop tactics that work against MS spamming monkeys. So please don't remove till I get these tactics right :D

Jaro Seeker - lvl 60 barb.

[Lebeau]

Seems we have an anti-blunt barb seminar here. Sorry guys, but if the cd of a spell is 40 sec., u can't "spam it". Inferring such is disdainfully laughable. The very definition of spam is to do something over & over in rapid succession. Wi3ld gets it, SC is a spam spell, MS is not.

MS is the only way to bring down knight auras shielding a zerg, to aid in the quick killing of buffed conjs or knights, or to limit the damage done by a rampaging barb on a DI/UM-charge. I'm not fooled. This is NOT a balance issue: ALL those against blunt barbs hitting just as hard as other barbs just don't want to lose their precious buffs that keep them alive longer or that let them hit those 3k+ SC's or Ripostes.

Even knights can only cast MS 1/2 as often now thanks to the anti-MS whiners getting MS nerfed months ago. By capping blunt dps for 2-weapon combo barbs it is these peeps silent hopes that fewer will skill the blunt tree, & thus, fewer will cast MS on them & ruin their plans. If they truly had their way, MS wouldn't be knight-only by moved in other tree, it would be none-only by moved out of game entirely.

As I said, I'm not fooled. They feel the same about Darkness I'm sure. All I've seen in refutation is nothing but pro-zergster rhetoric. They want a game where group-size is all-important (even moreso than it already is) & one where there are no game-changers or surprises to deny them the sure thing they obtain by dint of population alone. They want to unstoppably steamroll their outnumbered opposition smoothly & they don't want any bumbs in their road, let alone delaying roadblocks or detours that might 'steal' their certain victory.

Their obvious & blatantly biased prejudices completely disqualify them from making any sort of serious game balance suggestions or opinions as far as I'm concerned. Go back, read their propaganda posts again & tell me the critical reasoning that any of them had & presented as to why disallowing blunt barb dps to match edged & pierce dps is a good, balanced & fair thing to do (ya' can't, cuz' it's just not there)....

:cool:

[Kyrenis]

Seems we have an anti-blunt barb seminar here. Sorry guys, but if the cd of a spell is 40 sec., u can't "spam it". Inferring such is disdainfully laughable. The very definition of spam is to do something over & over in rapid succession. Wi3ld gets it, SC is a spam spell, MS is not.
40 seconds is almost nothing, it's the same as berserk's duration/cd. So every time you cast berserk you will be able to cast ms.
Also wield was being 100% serious and not sarcastic or anything..../s

ALL those against blunt barbs hitting just as hard as other barbs just don't want to lose their precious buffs that keep them alive longer or that let them hit those 3k+ SC's or Ripostes.
Well yeah, I'm pretty sure it is unanimous that people enjoy having buffs so they can actually stay in the fight.

Even knights can only cast MS 1/2 as often now
Good.

As I said, I'm not fooled. They feel the same about Darkness I'm sure. All I've seen in refutation is nothing but pro-zergster rhetoric. They want a game where group-size is all-important (even moreso than it already is) & one where there are no game-changers or surprises to deny them the sure thing they obtain by dint of population alone. They want to unstoppably steamroll their outnumbered opposition smoothly & they don't want any bumbs in their road, let alone delaying roadblocks or detours that might 'steal' their certain victory
It is clear that nobody can change your ms-whore opinion if this is your only argument, so I won't be replying anymore.
If you want to spam ms with good dps, go create a 2h mag hammer :)

[Lebeau]

40 seconds is almost nothing, it's the same as berserk's duration/cd. So every time you cast berserk you will be able to cast ms.
Also wield was being 100% serious and not sarcastic or anything..../s

Well yeah, I'm pretty sure it is unanimous that people enjoy having buffs so they can actually stay in the fight.

Good.

It is clear that nobody can change your ms-whore opinion if this is your only argument, so I won't be replying anymore.
If you want to spam ms with good dps, go create a 2h mag hammer :)-So if NGD nerfs South cross & Riposte to 40 sec cd's, they'll still be spam too then? Hmmmm?....

-Wi3ld chooses his serious moments & isn't always being tongue-in-cheek, but it takes objective critical thinking to know when that is....

-Nonsense. Buffs aren't required to stay in a fight, only required by those craven-bullies who never wish to fight from any sort of disadvantage whatsoever (cough^zergling^cough^usuallygelf^cough).

-Realms being only 1/2 as able (due to limit of 1/2 as often) to break using MS those critical aura & buff protections in a rvr battle isn't "good", it's a rules-reward for zerg-rules bs.

-U mad, bro? It is clear that nobody can change your anti-ms, pro-zergster-whore opinion if this is your only argument, so I won't be replying anymore either.

-Excuses, excuses. I don't want a 2-hander, I want what EVERY pierce & edged 2-weapon-combo-barb already has, but in blunt instead: a FULL usable selection of ALL existing weaponry.

-Repeat:...All I've seen in refutation is nothing but pro-zergster rhetoric. They want a game where group-size is all-important (even moreso than it already is) & one where there are no game-changers or surprises to deny them the sure thing they obtain by dint of population alone. They want to unstoppably steamroll their outnumbered opposition smoothly & they don't want any bumbs in their road, let alone delaying roadblocks or detours that might 'steal' their certain victory.

Their obvious & blatantly biased prejudices completely disqualify them from making any sort of serious game balance suggestions or opinions as far as I'm concerned. Go back, read their propaganda posts again & tell me the critical reasoning that any of them had & presented as to why disallowing blunt barb dps to match edged & pierce dps is a good, balanced & fair thing to do (ya' can't, cuz' it's just not there)....

-Uh, STILL not there. Btw, 'I like it the way it is because it serves my & my group's current interests' is no kind of plausible reason, nor logically sustainable as "a good, balanced & fair thing to do".

:cool:

[Kyrenis]

-So if NGD nerfs South cross & Riposte to 40 sec cd's, they'll still be spam too then? Hmmmm?....

-Wi3ld chooses his serious moments & isn't always being tongue-in-cheek, but it takes objective critical thinking to know when that is....

-Nonsense. Buffs aren't required to stay in a fight, only required by those craven-bullies who never wish to fight from any sort of disadvantage whatsoever (cough^zergling^cough^usuallygelf^cough).

-Realms being only 1/2 as able (due to limit of 1/2 as often) to break using MS those critical aura & buff protections in a rvr battle isn't "good", it's a rules-reward for zerg-rules bs.

-U mad, bro? It is clear that nobody can change your anti-ms, pro-zergster-whore opinion if this is your only argument, so I won't be replying anymore either.

-Excuses, excuses. I don't want a 2-hander, I want what EVERY pierce & edged 2-weapon-combo-barb already has, but in blunt instead: a FULL usable selection of ALL existing weaponry.

-Repeat:

-Uh, STILL not there. Btw, 'I like it the way it is because it serves my & my group's current interests' is no kind of plausible reason, nor logically sustainable as "a good, balanced & fair thing to do".
:cool:
Cringed so hard whilst reading this, I hope you are trolling.
Hurrdurr u want to buff? lol only noobs buff
fcking gelfs lrn2play without buffs

[Lebeau]

Cringed so hard whilst reading this, I hope you are trolling.
Hurrdurr u want to buff? lol only noobs buff
fcking gelfs lrn2play without buffsCringed so hard whilst reading this, I hope YOU are trolling.
Hurrdurr I want to buff! lol only EVERYone buffs.
I know better than to EVER say or ask that, ffs...
...Hell, most can't play even WITH buffs!

:superpusso:

[Kyrenis]

Cringed so hard whilst reading this, I hope YOU are trolling.
Hurrdurr I want to buff! lol only EVERYone buffs.
I know better than to EVER say or ask that, ffs...
...Hell, most can't play even WITH buffs!

:superpusso:
You really don't understand sarcasm, do you?

[Lebeau]

You really don't understand sarcasm, do you?YOU really don't understand sarcasm, do you?

:p

[Kyrenis]

YOU really don't understand sarcasm, do you?

:p

Ok, do you have anything meaningful to add? If you are just spouting this garbage it is clear that you don't have a good argument.

inb4 do YOU have anything meaningful to add? If you are just spouting this garbage it is clear that you don't have a good argument.

You are just acting like a child because you can't spam the most overpowered spell in the game on the easiest class without sacrificing some DPS.

[Lebeau]

Ok, do you have anything meaningful to add? If you are just spouting this garbage it is clear that you don't have a good argument.

inb4

You are just acting like a child because you can't spam the most overpowered spell in the game on the easiest class without sacrificing some DPS.Ok, do YOU have anything meaningful to add? If you are just spouting this garbage it is clear that you (STILL) don't have a good argument.

You are just acting like a child because you STILL cannot qualitatively or quantitatively justify exactly why casting MS every 40 seconds (NOT spam, ffs) must oddly & irrationally also require sacrificing some DPS (uh, in fact, ALOT of DPS).

...All I've seen in refutation is nothing but pro-zergster rhetoric. They want a game where group-size is all-important (even moreso than it already is) & one where there are no game-changers or surprises to deny them the sure thing they obtain by dint of population alone. They want to unstoppably steamroll their outnumbered opposition smoothly & they don't want any bumbs in their road, let alone delaying roadblocks or detours that might 'steal' their certain victory.

Their obvious & blatantly biased prejudices completely disqualify them from making any sort of serious game balance suggestions or opinions as far as I'm concerned. Go back, read their propaganda posts again & tell me the critical reasoning that any of them had & presented as to why disallowing blunt barb dps to match edged & pierce dps is a good, balanced & fair thing to do (ya' can't, cuz' it's just not there).... I'm still waiting.... (insults & bs are NOT answers to my reasonable questions) ... IF the spell MS is too OP, then logic says u nerf/change MS, u don't obtusely nerf a sub-classes' weapon selection in contrivance. That's just bs. It's like trying to say that since Sultar's dev mass & warjus are so OP, any conj who skills mental tree cannot wear any of the conj endgame armors if they do. Totally contrived nonsensical bs! Right?

NGD recently chose to nerf MS in cd, but not effect. Their choice. Previous 1-handed blunt weapon selection limits were in place based upon the effect of that 20 sec cd MS (really bad idea from the start imho, but it was what it was). Now MS has a 40 sec cd & yet, no riciprocity at all? Blunt-primary 2-weapon-combo barbs lose 1/2 of our ability to cast this so-called OP spell & then get absolutely nothing in return to balance matters? Weapon selection denial was an imbalanced & unfair method to begin with, now it's twice as imbalanced & unfair. We lost even more & get nothing in return?! FFS!

No other subclass sacrifices weapon selection for the ability to cast one spell. Even barbs don't, IF they choose to wield edged or pierce & have blunt tree skilled only for the purpose to cast MS, then they switch back to a UNnaturally higher-dps edged or pierce weapon. Realistically, why should those 2-weapon-combo barbs who choose blunt as their completely primary weapon type be denied in this matter?

It's simply illogical & unjustifiable. Does a 50% chance versus a 40% chance truly justify the near-total denial of all 1-handed endgame-blunt weapons in the currently contrived way of things? Not on your life. I want to read a REAL reason for this ongoing farce (tho I truly doubt one exists) ... not more complete bs (like I said: real reasons, not excuses)... OR I want to fairly choose freely from a completely FULL blunt selection of ALL endgame weaponry, exactly the same as ALL edged & pierce barbs already get to do.

:cool:

[Kyrenis]

Ok, do YOU have anything meaningful to add? If you are just spouting this garbage it is clear that you (STILL) don't have a good argument.

You are just acting like a child because you STILL cannot qualitatively or quantitatively justify exactly why casting MS every 40 seconds (NOT spam, ffs) must oddly & irrationally also require sacrificing some DPS (uh, in fact, ALOT of DPS).

I made my points, you are just being an irrational tard that refuses to accept anyone else's opinions. I hope you realize how stupid this makes you appear. :dumbofme:
K I'm really done now, no point in trying to knock sense into someone that is in his own little bubble.
Enjoy living in Lebeau land, where only Lebeau's opinion counts.

inb4 quotes my post and puts random words in bold/italics to try to contradict me, all the while failing miserably.

[Lebeau]

I made my points, you are just being an irrational tard that refuses to accept anyone else's opinions. I hope you realize how stupid this makes you appear. :dumbofme:
K I'm really done now, no point in trying to knock sense into someone that is in his own little bubble.
Enjoy living in Lebeau land, where only Lebeau's opinion counts.

inb4 quotes my post and puts random words in bold/italics to try to contradict me, all the while failing miserably.I made my points, you are just being an irrational tard that refuses to accept anyone else's opinions. I hope you realize how stupid this makes you appear. :dumbofme:
K I'm really not even started yet, I'll never give up trying to refute the public non-sense of someone that is in his own little bubble.
Enjoy living in Kyrensis land, where only Kyrensis' opinion counts.

inb4 quotes my post and puts random words in bold/italics to try to contradict me, all the while failing miserably?

Oh no, you contradict yourself & miserably fail your position by pretending that your personal desire, vitriolic disdain & brazen insults can adequately masquerade as any sort of thorough & reasoned answer to any of my questions. ASSiNINNYty! You can't to any degree refute my message at all, so you attack the messenger? That's so f-ing OVERplayed by gelftard-zergster-loser-fooks it's beyond typical, it has become completely ubiquitous now....

Treat the problem directly, not something that's unrelated. Quit thinking in limited &/or pvp-only perspectives. See a balanced big-picture. FFS, if the spell MS is the problem, then changing MS is obviously the answer. Just how dafuq can nerf-capping primary-blunt-barbs' 2-weapon-combo DPS fix MS? It can't; it never did; it doesn't now; it never will....

If u honestly believe by disallowing 2-weapon-combo barbs the use of most of the existing 1-handed blunt endgame weapons that this issue is then adequately answered, & a fair & balanced good-sense solution (assuming MS actually IS an issue to begin with), then u r too thoughtless or obtuse atm to have a rational discussion. I utterly refuse to have a battle of wits with a (currently) completely disarmed & unstable opponent.

Hurrdurr, 'I so hate the evil MS, therefore blunt users (but only 1/2, the ones using 2-weapon-combo) must be punitively penalized & have reduced dps cuz I hate them too' is no argument whatsoever. It's just completely unfair, imbalanced, perhaps deranged, & totally nonsensical bs.

Post a reply when (& only when) u truly have something valid & substantive to present in actual contructive defense of your INdefensible position, k? ... or will u insist on oneupmanship & demand to have the last word one more time, tho yet again u will essentially say nothing relevant of any importance? IF so, don't waste any more of our time p & ty.

:cool:

[Kyrenis]

I made my points, you are just being an irrational tard that refuses to accept anyone else's opinions. I hope you realize how stupid this makes you appear. :dumbofme:
K I'm really not even started yet, I'll never give up trying to refute the public non-sense of someone that is in his own little bubble.
Enjoy living in Kyrensis land, where only Kyrensis' opinion counts.

inb4 quotes my post and puts random words in bold/italics to try to contradict me, all the while failing miserably?

Oh no, you contradict yourself & miserably fail your position by pretending that your personal desire, vitriolic disdain & brazen insults can adequately masquerade as any sort of thorough & reasoned answer to any of my questions. ASSiNINNYty! You can't to any degree refute my message at all, so you attack the messenger? That's so f-ing OVERplayed by gelftard-zergster-loser-fooks it's beyond typical, it has become completely ubiquitous now....

Treat the problem directly, not something that's unrelated. Quit thinking in limited &/or pvp-only perspectives. See a balanced big-picture. FFS, if the spell MS is the problem, then changing MS is obviously the answer. Just how dafuq can nerf-capping primary-blunt-barbs' 2-weapon-combo DPS fix MS? It can't; it never did; it doesn't now; it never will....

If u honestly believe by disallowing 2-weapon-combo barbs the use of most of the existing 1-handed blunt endgame weapons that this issue is then adequately answered, & a fair & balanced good-sense solution (assuming MS actually IS an issue to begin with), then u r too thoughtless or obtuse atm to have a rational discussion. I utterly refuse to have a battle of wits with a (currently) completely disarmed & unstable opponent.

Hurrdurr, 'I so hate the evil MS, therefore blunt users (but only 1/2, the ones using 2-weapon-combo) must be punitively penalized & have reduced dps cuz I hate them too' is no argument whatsoever. It's just completely unfair, imbalanced, perhaps deranged, & totally nonsensical bs.

Post a reply when (& only when) u truly have something valid & substantive to present in actual contructive defense of your INdefensible position, k? ... or will u insist on oneupmanship & demand to have the last word one more time, tho yet again u will essentially say nothing relevant of any importance? Don't waste any more of our time p & ty if so.

:cool:
Literally all you do is copy and paste what I type and turn it against me even though it makes no sense at all. That and worthless walls of text.
As I said, I gave my points earlier but you refuse to listen to them. Therefore you are just an immature little manchild who can't play without his precious 3k MS hits.
Have fun, I'm not even going to look at this thread anymore :D

[Lebeau]

Literally all you do is copy and paste what I type and turn it against me even though it makes no sense at all. That and worthless walls of text.
As I said, I gave my points earlier but you refuse to listen to them. Therefore you are just an immature little manchild who can't play without his precious 3k MS hits.Well, tbh, none of your points were actually soundly substantive from a game-design perspective is why. They mostly were all just strongly-held, yet illogical, opinions; they were thus specious, self-invalidating & entirely non-applicable. I now repeat (because it is relevant & not "worthless" as accused):" ...if the spell MS is the problem, then changing MS is obviously the answer. Just how dafuq can nerf-capping primary-blunt-barbs' 2-weapon-combo DPS fix MS? It can't; it never did; it doesn't now; it never will....".

No more insults, no more bs. Now, quit changing the fookin' subject & just answer the fookin' questions....

Your answer btw: As I am an UNfairly nerfcapped-DPS 2-weapon-combo blunt-barb who uses only blunt, I just don't get 3k hits, ever (even on fulminating crits, MS or otherwise). FYI: only (every 10 sec) SC-spammin' & (every 20 secs) Riposte-caster or some very-slow-weapon big-hitters get that kinda' damage, bub-bah-loo.

Be very careful who u accuse of what, unless u truly know the realities. Doing otherwise is being an "immature little manchild". I am sorry my posts are so beyond your current level of comprehension that they seem rather lost on you & as such, are judged incorrectly by you to be "worthless walls of text" that "makes no sense at all".

'Nuff said! I now repeat again (& hopefully u will listen THIS time):...Post a reply when (& only when) u truly have something valid & substantive to present in actual contructive defense of your INdefensible position, k? ... or will u insist on oneupmanship & demand to have the last word one more time, tho yet again u will essentially say nothing relevant of any importance? IF so, don't waste any more of our time p & ty.

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[Kyrenis]

Well, tbh, none of your points were actually sunstantive from a game-design perspective is why. They mostly were all just strongly-held, yet illogical, opinions; they were thus specious, self-invalidating & entirely non-applicable. I now repeat (because it is relevant & not "worthless" as accused):" ...if the spell MS is the problem, then changing MS is obviously the answer. Just how dafuq can nerf-capping primary-blunt-barbs' 2-weapon-combo DPS fix MS? It can't; it never did; it doesn't now; it never will....".

No more insults, no more bs. Now, quit changing the fookin' subject & just answer the fookin' questions....

Your answer btw: As I am an UNfairly nerfcapped-DPS 2-weapon-combo blunt-barb who uses only blunt, I just don't get 3k hits, ever (even on fulminating crits, MS or otherwise). FYI: only (every 10 sec) SC-spammin' & (every 20 secs) Riposte-caster or very slow weapon big-hitters get that kinda' damage, bub-bah-loo.

Be very careful who u accuse of what, unless u truly know the realities. Doing otherwise is being an "immature little manchild". I am sorry my posts are so beyond your current level of comprehension that they seem rather lost on you & as such, are judged incorrectly by you to be "worthless walls of text" that "makes no sense at all".

'Nuff said! I now repeat again (& hopefully u will listen THIS time):

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For some reason I keep coming back. You have no reading comprehension skills it seems.
I never said you hit 3k with ms, I implied you would if you had a 1 handed hammer with epic stats.
Also I AGREE with one of your points which I stated in my first post...

As for why barbs don't have access to most endgame blunt weapons; this is just my opinion, but I feel MS is just too overpowered for barbs to be able to use in its current state. I'd be all for barbs having elite knight hammers/maces once MS gets moved to a different tree/adjusted/removed entirely..
Words can't express the level of ignorance you are showing if you refuse to accept my points even if I AGREED with a point you made before you even suggested it.

[Lebeau]

For some reason I keep coming back. You have no reading comprehension skills it seems.
I never said you hit 3k with ms, I implied you would if you had a 1 handed hammer with epic stats.
Also I AGREE with one of your points which I stated in my first post...


Words can't express the level of ignorance you are showing if you refuse to accept my points even if I AGREED with a point you made before you even suggested it.

Now, we seem to actually be getting somewhere. You also seem to be missing my point tho. MS is one thing. DPS is another. What does denying a 2-weapon-combo barb the use of nearly all endgame 1-handed blunt weaponry actually have to do with the issue of MS & it's perceived OP-imbalance? Nothing whatsoever at all.

I & others should NOT have to continue to wait to use these weapons until MS is made into a knight-only spell (In fact, I'd argue it should never become knight-only for reasons of RvR applications & the resulting 1/2-ing of MS being used: 1/2 lost due to cd being doubled months ago, another 1/2+ lost as well due to barbs no longer casting it, but that's entirely another subject).

Regardless, these 2 issues are totally unrelated. They only SEEM related because of how NGD unwisely chose to deal with this issue years ago. You say the one should precede from the other (take MS away, then get weapon choice), but I otherwise contend they stand entirely alone & are separate, unrelated issues. If MS is the problem, then NGD should fix MS. Don't obtusely deny me my choice of weapon. To do so is nonsensically unreasonable, contrived & unfair. THAT's what I'm saying.

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[LucianDeathshield]

Wtf did this thread turn into xD

[survive]

Wtf did this thread turn into xD

IKR, DAFUQ???? :swordfight:

... IF the spell MS is too OP, then logic says u nerf/change MS, u don't obtusely nerf a sub-classes' weapon selection in contrivance. That's just bs. It's like trying to say that since Sultar's dev mass & warjus are so OP, any conj who skills mental tree cannot wear any of the conj endgame armors if they do. Totally contrived nonsensical bs! Right?

NGD recently chose to nerf MS in cd, but not effect. Their choice. Previous 1-handed blunt weapon selection limits were in place based upon the effect of that 20 sec cd MS (really bad idea from the start imho, but it was what it was). Now MS has a 40 sec cd & yet, no riciprocity at all? Blunt-primary 2-weapon-combo barbs lose 1/2 of our ability to cast this so-called OP spell & then get absolutely nothing in return to balance matters? Weapon selection denial was an imbalanced & unfair method to begin with, now it's twice as imbalanced & unfair. We lost even more & get nothing in return?! FFS!

No other subclass sacrifices weapon selection for the ability to cast one spell. Even barbs don't, IF they choose to wield edged or pierce & have blunt tree skilled only for the purpose to cast MS, then they switch back to a UNnaturally higher-dps edged or pierce weapon. Realistically, why should those 2-weapon-combo barbs who choose blunt as their completely primary weapon type be denied in this matter?

It's simply illogical & unjustifiable. Does a 50% chance versus a 40% chance truly justify the near-total denial of all 1-handed endgame-blunt weapons in the currently contrived way of things? Not on your life. I want to read a REAL reason for this ongoing farce (tho I truly doubt one exists) ... not more complete bs (like I said: real reasons, not excuses)... OR I want to fairly choose freely from a completely FULL blunt selection of ALL endgame weaponry, exactly the same as ALL edged & pierce barbs already get to do.

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YES!! :punk: That's what I said... have said, will continue to say! ...
... and another thing... 3K MS????? holy-beejeesus batboy, in what alternative reality? (mind you I have never been one to set-up to see how hard I can, in the most absurd horseshoe up my proverbial golden ticket shooting arse, hit someone) but I have seen my fair share of 3k SC and Rip, but NOT a MS, never.... 1400-1700 MAX!
Furthermore, no one is wanting that.... MS the problem, fix MS! The problem is... I REFUSE TO BE A Kick5-Fulm-SC-MONKEY!!! Give me some damn endgame weapons already damnit.... was the same at 50 before WM, same at 60 now with WM.... just give me some weapons so I can go war! :drums:

[Kyrenis]

and another thing... 3K MS????? holy-beejeesus batboy, in what alternative reality?
It was an exaggeration....why does everyone take exaggerations/sarcasm seriously on this thread?

3k+ SC's or Ripostes.


but I have seen my fair share of 3k SC and Rip
on a side note; nobody uses ripost

on the main topic; barbs will probably never be able to use any 1 handed mag weapons. that includes hammer/spear/sword/axe.

on the current topic; adjust ms and give barbs access to 1 handed elite blunt weapons.

[Lebeau]

Sorry if I took the thread somewhere unintended, but I feel strongly about this. I've tried for years to get a rational explanation of this utterly-contrived weapon-selection denial-policy &/or the full selection returned to us so we can use it all as would be right & proper imho. No dice. The first time it was but a part of another thread where the subject just came up & then some gamemod deleted all the posts (which were but few) on this particular topic as "unrelated" if I recall rightly. Hmmmm. Strike one! A year+ later, I then posted the question again but this time in it's own thread that I made meself. It was soon derailed by MS-bashers changing the subject & the question asked was muted in the resulting din. But then, not only did I not get any answer or the full selection option I insisted upon as fair from NGD, but instead, my entire thread & the posts on this matter were all locked, deleted & I got indicted by a forum gamemod for "bad forum use" & was forum-banned for a month. WTF!? Strike two! Seeing a trend here yet? I sent in a ticket asking for a more complete explanation ("bad forum use"?) of what specific rules I had broken & even had GameSamba officials inquire into this as well. I got no reply to my ticket, but silence. GameSamba got the same answer essentially: none. They obviously had their reasons, but idk what they were exactly; they never told me. Just do not ask this question seems like; but the 3rd time is the charm it is often said. Wonder what will happen to this post & this thread? Will we get an actual answer (or better, a complete 're-vision' of this bad policy decision to limit weapon selection) or will I get "strike three" & just be out? Hopefully, reason will prevail. Only time will tell....

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[schachteana]

you seem to be the English version of Aquaboxio (I do not assume you know him), Lebeau. Just with a way too high percentage of 'murica in it.

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Not considering if it is good to restrict the use of blunt weapons, I am sure it is MS, it is the whole system what really needs a review instead of weapons. MS is only needed (according to Lebau), because there is really no other way to stop christmas tree-like barbarians. If this game were a bit more balanced, we wouldn't have any problems with barbs running around with 1-handed magnanite weapons. Imagine a situation similar to ...

If mind squasher only removed foreign buffs instead of all, if unstoppable madness disabled divine intervention temporarily, if divine intervention had a permanent animation, if fulminating were removed, if armor calculation were done more relatively so armor points wouldn't rule the game and lowies and hunter could more damage, if everybodys dmg were reduced, if live savior were less powerful, if all stun times were half as long, if escaping fights weren't so easy, if mage spells spells were level-, staff level- and intelligence-bound, if attributes like spell focus and resistance were shown in the character window and finally, if mages still had their old cast speed (0,5 sec less on all spells),
we could start talking about this again, talk about weapons, restrictions, 3k MSs and so on.
Before that, there will be nothing than workarounds.

[kowocki]

I think that MS is good as it is now and dont think that allowing the barbs of using the 1 handed elites (not magna weapons) will make barbs more op as they are now.

The main problem are the OP offhands that made 2handed weapons obsolete.

Only I notice that barb can have 2 sockets in his weapons (1 in mainhand and 1 in offhand)? If knight, archer or mage want to have such advantage he/she is bond to the use of magnanite weapons only. A bit unfair huh?

And knights socket for armor enchancements was removed ages ago so they wont benefit little resist bonus unavailable to the other class.

The only alternative option (i don't like this idea tho its most reasonable from any others i saw suggested here in the past) is to make MS a knights wm spell but with the old cool down time, but IT WILL KILL THE BLUNT SPELL TREE.

If you dont like MS and want to nerf it further then how about we do something about the SC spam? Lets doubble its cd? I already hear the whines of all slashing weapons users (including myself).

[Hayir]

The only reason Barbs with Elite Knight Hammer would be more OP than slash/pierce is because the majority of players go for slash/pierce resists. WM hammer got pierce dmg while Elite is blunt only.
That's why blunt in general is the most attractive physical dmg type.

Tbh i rather see the blunt tree "dying" than having such a stupidly OP spell like MS. Doubling the CD of MS made a lot players drop it (which i don't understand why tho), on RA i really only see few players still using MS (with a much higher player base).
Still it doesn't come to endless fights like some of you guys here picture.
Auras don't make you immortal, you know.
MS is not a requirement to make RvR situations to work. It might end them faster but also is frustrating and kind of a fun killer for the players that get MSed.

Also anyone who puts Ripost on par with SC clearly doesn't even play this game.

[Lebeau]

I would (& did already) suggest a rework of the % & effect of MS. Each buff/aura/etc would be dispelled separately, & MS would cease being an all-or-nothing effect. Secondly, I'd add some form of a ranged version of MS for mages (but not archers) that would work similarly but have a reduced % chance. This would keep the needed dispelling effect in applied general use & also spread it around so blunt users aren't a focal point for such animosity, as is currently the case.

Buff & aura negation are very basic requirements in full-spectrum RvR (to mitigate uber-barbs during UM/DI-charges, to aid in slaying tanking conjs & knights far more quickly, to break critical defensive & additive auras so your side can actually deal significant damage or gain advantages, etc). The OP-ness of MS is almost invariably a PvP-factorization, not an RvR one.

Unless we actually want the game to devolve as others already have into a mostly mindless, straight-up population-dominated, dps/soak slugfest that the zerg, tanks, shielders & big-hitters will always win, we need MS-like spells. I am opposed to such a paradigm. Hunters & warlocks are already marginalized in full-on RvR far more than they should be due to a variety of factors (mostly dps/soak related).

Thirdly, I would rescind the current very odd policy & totally unrestrict all 1-handed blunt weaponry that is still inexplicably denied to 2-weapon-combo barbarians due to some imagined connection with the use of MS & it's reputed OP-ness. Slash & pierce barbs get a completely full selection, so should the blunt-boys.

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P.S.: Nope, I'm not Boxi, but am 'murican as charged. We used to stand for something great & saved Western Europe from itself twice. That said, I strongly dislike & disagree with my increasingly fascist-like government's fiscal, economic, domestic & foreign policies over the past 40+ years. They disgracefully shame our citizenry & heritage with their grasping, powermad, criminal, crony capitalist antics.

However, I'm very proud of my country & most of it's people & most of all, of what it stands for, or atm, is supposed to stand for: liberty & justice for all. There's long been 2 Americas (the good/giving/honest/progressive/inclusive & the evil/taking/corrupt/regressive/exclusive) & which America's vision dominates our future imho will in large part determine the pivotal events of ongoing world history & very likely as well whether or not our species actually survives into the 22nd century.