TDM: The final argument

[Loque]

Epilogue: Haven only.

This is for all the players who are active, who have quit, who have quit long ago, who are thinking of quitting and the new ones who just started or who started but had TDM disabled during their play life.

Would you return, play more, become active, stop cussing the game, yada yada yada if TDM was to return?

(poll is public for names)

[Hollow-Ichigo]

I will return for TDM

[Sentan]

Missing one pool-option so I won't vote. :)

[pieceofmeat]

TDM is just nonsense for me, instanced group pvp has no real place in a MMO with RvR focus.

So having it open on some set times each day/week or during events is enough for me.

[Kimahri_Ronso]

I only want more content and something to do when there's nothing happening^^
If that's TDM and CTF then be it.
Tho I'd rather have more new events and more WZ bosses to kill :D

[halvdan]

Are u fuckin kidding me?

Few days back I wrote this
I guess the reason why TDM isnt back yet is exactly this what you are writing slarti.
NGD is maybe trying to find a way how to not harm warzone activity and (dis)balance and make TDM open in time when warzone is dead and there is no acitvity at all.

What's the point of that? If there's no one on ( or not enough) who the hell will play the TDM? The ones that are AFK at CS?

And now you write the same now?
I only want more content and something to do when there's nothing happening^^
If that's TDM and CTF then be it.


edit: I see It's not first time you did this.lol. Agreed with wield.
Are you fucking serious right now? You shot down my idea of getting gold from WARmaster quests, but you're up for the suggestion of getting gold from war by someone else? My last post to you was removed by a moderator with a warning, but I can't hold my tongue. You're a dense fuck. I mean, really. While God was handing out brains you must have been the one holding the door open for everyone else, because you clearly did not receive one. Hopefully the forum admins will oversee my little outburst considering you provoked me with your insane stupidity, but I highly doubt they will.
To the admin reading this; before you delete this post can you please get it through Kimahri's thick skull that both suggestions are basically the same damn thing? God damn it. Why do I waste my time on a game with players that possess the brains of a fucking lemming.

Best,

[Thallium]

biased choices

[Ludwig Von Mises]

Just bring TDM back, you know not everyone can always play these long campaigns were you invade other realms, some only have time to play a quick TDM and thats all they can play on Regnum the whole day.

These arguments that it will take population out of invasions if you bring back TDM is such nonsense. pffss... :closed1:

Saying TDM will take players away from these long boring invasions is like saying players who wish to hunt, gank, grind for drops etc.., talk, hmm whatever... are taking players that could be used to invade, maybe they don't feel like invading another realm, maybe they just want to have fun in other ways like going to arena. Does this mean you will ask NGD to take out Arenas? Oh please blah blah blah take them out... Will you ask NGD to take away grinding for level 60 players? Or will you ask them to limit the time players can spend chatting or afking?

In my opinion: the moment NGD took out TDM the game started dying, its like they took the heart out of Regnum. Poor Regnum.. ::[

xD

[MDpro]

maybe they don't feel like invading another realm, maybe they just want to have fun in other ways
Can't argue with that... I find myself with a lack of interest in war a lot lately, and would rather grind. (not like Ignis has had the numbers to try and invade anyway, and when we do, so does both Syrtis and Alsius... So nobody invades during that time)

I personally have never participated in this TDM thing, must have been happening while I was away from the game for years. But there seems to be no shortage of people talking about it in both the realm and on this forum, so it must have been a popular thing.

So I figured I'd check out a video on youtube of it, and I think at certain times of the day it could really be fun.

I do wonder however, if TDM is something Syrtis would probably try to abuse it in some way though. Like start a TDM, and then the other 20 of them invade while the few left in Alsius and Ignis are in TDM and unable to defend lol. Like I said, I wasn't playing the game during the TDM time, so I have no idea how it works.

Would be nice to have gem and relic block time, and TDM being able to be played during that time. It really does look like it could be fun, if used at the times of day when both Ignis and Alsius pretty much have no chance against Syrtis' numbers, and TDM could at least create more fun for the few of us that are playing.

[pieceofmeat]

Can't argue with that... I find myself with a lack of interest in war a lot lately, and would rather grind. (not like Ignis has had the numbers to try and invade anyway, and when we do, so does both Syrtis and Alsius... So nobody invades during that time)

I personally have never participated in this TDM thing, must have been happening while I was away from the game for years. But there seems to be no shortage of people talking about it in both the realm and on this forum, so it must have been a popular thing.

So I figured I'd check out a video on youtube of it, and I think at certain times of the day it could really be fun.

I do wonder however, if TDM is something Syrtis would probably try to abuse it in some way though. Like start a TDM, and then the other 20 of them invade while the few left in Alsius and Ignis are in TDM and unable to defend lol. Like I said, I wasn't playing the game during the TDM time, so I have no idea how it works.

Would be nice to have gem and relic block time, and TDM being able to be played during that time. It really does look like it could be fun, if used at the times of day when both Ignis and Alsius pretty much have no chance against Syrtis' numbers, and TDM could at least create more fun for the few of us that are playing.

No it wont, syrtis TDM groups will be mostly DIed warriors, some bosswhore archers with at least 3 conjurers on each run.

[Raindance]

TDM is nothing like PvP, I don't know why so many people are saying that.

Technically it is still RvRvR with multiple players on each team, and it actually provides balanced fights with a fixed number of participants for each team. The only imbalanced issue is the map, which, as discussed several times before, gives a clear advantage for barbarians, but personally that shouldn't be a main reason as to why TDM shouldn't be re-enabled.

It's funny how most who are against TDM never even fought in a single TDM battle before.

P.S to NGD: if you do bring back TDM, make sure to make more instances: for level 40 - 55 (or something similar), re-enabling experience points for each kill as well.

[pieceofmeat]

It's funny how most who are against TDM never even fought in a single TDM battle before.


How did you come to that conclusion?

[schachteana]

one should also get some realm points in instances, maybe 50% of the usual amount. It's a motivation for most players

[Kimahri_Ronso]

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Dude, there's a difference between 'the warzone is dead and there is no acitvity" and "there's no one on (or not enough)". Learn to read ^^
Not to mention when my friends list is full yet happening nothing for hours :P

[Loque]

It's funny how most who are against TDM never even fought in a single TDM battle before.

Pretty much this.

[_Enio_]

I guess ill log more if TDM were enabled. My time is just limited anyways but the chance to get into instant action in an at least number-wise even environment would be cool.

[halvdan]

Dude, there's a difference between 'the warzone is dead and there is no acitvity" and "there's no one on (or not enough)". Learn to read ^^
Not to mention when my friends list is full yet happening nothing for hours :P

Omg, you are seriously butthurt. Read that post again.
I wrote first "the warzone is dead and there is no acitvity" and your fucking response was that "..there's no one on (or not enough)". So basically you should learn to read.

Can you understand that I wrote first that TDM will be fine if there is no action, and not that TDM will be fine if there is noone online? You wrote that bullshit with noone online, not me.

[ieti]

TDM will only hurt CoR more. When they implemented it war zone was practically deserted and activity dropped down to zero. I only saw people staying at central save and dissapearing for tdm and back for afk...

TDM as usual is made for good populated servers like RA. I think it hurt RA too.

So no please do not bring this sh*te back.

[Raindance]

When they implemented it war zone was practically deserted and activity dropped down to zero. I only saw people staying at central save


And please enlighten me on how the present situation isn't the same / is better?

Also, what difference does ganking grinders with groups of 4-5 players make? Wouldn't it be better to open TDM, thus potentially removing gankers from grind spots in the WZ?

[ShadowForce]

I see a reasonably even split here between people who would like to see Team DM come back, and those who think it is a bad idea.

For me, Team DM does not belong in CoR and should never have been introduced in the first place. There's no getting away from the fact that it would take attention away from warzone activity.

The funny thing is, if you re-enable TDM for "something to do when the warzone activity is low", we will end up creating a paradox for ourselves: Not enough war so people do TDM, people doing TDM so there is not enough war. It sounds like a vicious circle to me and would be a downward spiral countering all the work that NGD has done lately to try and make the warzone action a bit fairer and increase the tempo of the game.

[Kimahri_Ronso]

Omg, you are seriously butthurt. Read that post again.
I wrote first "the warzone is dead and there is no acitvity" and your fucking response was that "..there's no one on (or not enough)". So basically you should learn to read.

Can you understand that I wrote first that TDM will be fine if there is no action, and not that TDM will be fine if there is noone online? You wrote that bullshit with noone online, not me.

Wanna play with words? I'm good at that :D

Firstly, "TDM will be fine if there is no action" : TDM can't be fine if there's no action, since --> if there's no action then maybe "there's no one online"! Thus, "not enough" to play the instance.

Secondly, on a more serious note, as Ieti said it, TDM is very dependent on population. Running it on a small server such as Haven can result two things, there's enough on to play it MEANWHILE it does NOT hurt WZ activity (which will not the case looking at the population right now), or there won't be enough on to keep WZ active while some playing TDM.

It would be a different case of course if NGD would be able to run it through different servers, so let's say Alsius would reach the numbers it requires to enter faster with players from RA / Alsius, so less would join from Haven and that wouldn't hurt WZ that much either....

[halvdan]

Wanna play with words? I'm good at that :D..

No, I have enough of lolos like you. I was only saying that you wrote the same what I wrote before(and you shot down my post). I'm not going to argue with you more, because you'll say the opposite no matter what I write. Discussion is worthless with you.

OT: I didn't vote, because It's biased. I do care, but I won't play more, and the second option is stupid. Basically, I'd be happy to see TDM working in similar way as dragon, something like once per day.

[MDpro]

The funny thing is, if you re-enable TDM for "something to do when the warzone activity is low", we will end up creating a paradox for ourselves: Not enough war so people do TDM, people doing TDM so there is not enough war. It sounds like a vicious circle to me and would be a downward spiral countering all the work that NGD has done lately to try and make the warzone action a bit fairer and increase the tempo of the game.
Good point. ^

[Ludwig Von Mises]

You know what? I'm just going to rek all of you. :D

To people who say that 'havan population is too low as it is' so tdm should not be brung back because it will make things worse for warzone wars. Have you thought that its maybe do, in large part, that there is no TDM that population is so low?

To people who say 'if tdm comes back' people will just wait for tdm.
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Have you thought about the players who go hunt instead of war while a fort is being capped by an enemy realm?

HAve you thought that there is in fact people who prefer to grind for loot then do an invasion against two other realms?

Have you thought that there are people who prefer to talk and trade and sell in commerce then do war at all?

Have you thought that Regnum is losing population because its getting boring? You know riding across the dam map just to fight one player or just get ganked right of the bat then have to ress all the way back again?

Have you thought that maybe what attracted old population players, and now, new population players of regnum in general was the constant TDM matches?

Now, about how NGD can make money: Make costumes i would, or others would buy. Make an exchange system were magnas can be sold for xim.

Make it so that players can also buy xim by way of auction house, and with that xim or magnas be able to buy loot, and gear.


Making magnanite a currency that can be bought by real money is already true, and happening. Why not make it official NGD? You got so much to gain by making it official. :bangin:

To add: Make multing not an option, only transfers or moving at the cost of losing all your previous toons. Sell things in premium items and just the way you make quests, customs, unique to each realm. This, will drive up the value of all three realms significantly. Making them very special and held in very high value. Making transfers or scrolling to level 45-60 more attracting.

If you want to make the realms truly individual three realms you must make them different and as in many aspects as you can find. This is what makes them cool. This is what will get you the money making fast and long lasting.

Also, by bringing TDM back and champions coins, you will most likely sell more fuson, extra champion coin bonus, maybe, by adding different looking shields/armors then what can be seen at the time? Different looking items, of-course, unique to each realm. This is what will drive up the value of the game, and each individual realm. :beerchug:

[Kopstoot]

Improve tdm before enabling them. As I see there is no such option, I chose the second option.
Change the kill system; before, only the last hit on the enemy is counted as a kill point. I'd like to see that changed.
The warzone should stay alive. Perhaps enable tdm during specific times of the day. Also, there should be a safe zone where the player can wait for tdm to start, so fights wont get interrupted and to prevent splitting in the wz.
Lastly, balance is a big issue. However it affects both tdm and the wz. :lightsabre:

[Ludwig Von Mises]

Improve tdm before enabling them. As I see there is no such option :lightsabre:

This one is easy, disable TDM when the realm gate becomes vulnerable. This will mean you have to make sure your realm is strong safe and powerful in order to play TDM. :D Now if others after invasion is over want to do TDM then let them, if others want to go invade another realm let them. If others want to grind let them.

You must keep strictly in mind though that you can't make players do something they don't want. If they don't want to travel far distances for a fort fight then thats their option. If they don't have the 5 minutes it takes just to travel to a far off fort because they have a life you know? This should be their option.

Many times what some players will get out of a zerg fight, all day, is just fighting at gate to help their realm, and TDM because they don't have the time to fight constantly by traveling constantly half the warzone away for each fort. Or think, doing this, is just boring. :nunchaku:

[Sentan]

This one is easy, disable TDM when the realm gate becomes vulnerable. This will mean you have to make sure your realm is strangth safe and powerful in order to play TDM. :D


So if one realm is in danger rest can not participate in TDM? Note that the three realms are required to be able to play TDM.

[Ludwig Von Mises]

So if one realm is in danger rest can not participate in TDM? Note that the three realms are required to be able to play TDM.

Original TDM requires that all three realms be ready in order for it to work. I would change this so that the realm that is being invaded cannot play TDM until their gate is safe but that the other two realms can and should be able to play TDM against each other. :beerchug:

[Candyx]

You know what? I'm just going to rek all of you. :D
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tl;rd

You are trying to make arguments for TDM Ludwig. Clearly you want to play TDM. Your arguments are flawed and without evidence.

Based on the affect TDM had on Haven originally it was clear that war was reduced, and people just waited at CS to join TDMs.

It's also clear that TDMs have a much more significant negative effect on the lowest population realm.

It's great that you're enthusiastic about getting TDMs back, but TDMs have little place in this game, so please turn your enthusiasm onto something else. If TDMs were good and help population NGD WOULDN'T HAVE DISABLED THEM!

[Raindance]

You are trying to make arguments for TDM Ludwig. Clearly you want to play TDM. Your arguments are flawed and without evidence.

Based on the affect TDM had on Haven originally it was clear that war was reduced, and people just waited at CS to join TDMs.

It's also clear that TDMs have a much more significant negative effect on the lowest population realm.

It's great that you're enthusiastic about getting TDMs back, but TDMs have little place in this game, so please turn your enthusiasm onto something else. If TDMs were good and help population NGD WOULDN'T HAVE DISABLED THEM!

First of all, it seems you have your evidence wrong, because NGD disabled TDM due to the ending of the Season 1 (http://www.championsofregnum.com/index.php?l=1&sec=18&rank=undefined&world=1&realm=undefined&class=-1&range=undefined) battle island chain event. Season 2 should've started months ago according to NGD's timeline, yet they didn't continue because they couldn't fulfill to their promises (shocking, right?).

And as someone beautifully mentioned:

It's called CHAMPIONS of Regnum - but the CHAMPION content is locked.

All we players want is the accessibility to fun battles, yes, but I think we're still all desperately dying to try out the CHAMPION armor.

And lastly, as I clearly recall, people still went to wars, just some would randomly teleport off the map when the TDM queue finished. Of course it doesn't mean people didn't wait at CS some of the time, because they did. But don't people still do that even today, without TDM?

[Shwish]

I was against TDM from the start as I felt like it was a waste of resources NGD could have focussed somewhere else. But since NGD took all that time to develop this feature, why disable it?

I have stopped playing this game for some time now but when I was actively doing TDM, I have to admit that I thoroughly enjoyed it (I don't play a barbarian btw). However its not enough to make me want to play this game again as there are many other games that do it way better.

[roonwick]

I will not vote on biased polls. Don't call people whiners because they do not agree with you.

[Ludwig Von Mises]

You are trying to make arguments for TDM Ludwig. Clearly you want to play TDM. Your arguments are flawed and without evidence.

Well of course i want to play TDM, was that supposed be a secret? xD

Raindance seems to have rekt you already but i think i'll rek you some more.:wiggle14:

And lastly, as I clearly recall, people still went to wars, just some would randomly teleport off the map when the TDM queue finished. Of course it doesn't mean people didn't wait at CS some of the time, because they did. But don't people still do that even today, without TDM?

I in fact also recall players still having warzone zerg battles almost constantly when TDM was available and some teleported when TDM was ready. And of course you will have some who with or without TDM will afk because they have a life you know or for whatever reason.


It's also clear that TDMs have a much more significant negative effect on the lowest population realm.

Candy make sure you read the following carefully its called the balancing effect.:

Bringing TDM back and disabling them when gate becomes vulnerable is an incentive for players to go defend their forts. They don't want their TDM to be disabled by the enemy realm when they place relic at wall, hello?..

And keeping TDM up for the other two realms when invasion is going on, on the least populated realm means that the least populated realm has a better chance of successfully defending their forts, relics, gate, and gems sense the other two realms have an incentive to stay playing TDM which might lower their chances of a successful invasion . <This is called a balancing effect do to the incentives of correct game mechanics. :D
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[Loque]

There are only two types, those who like TDM and those who don't. And those who don't, don't like those who like to be able to play something that they don't like. Rest of all the talk is just bullshit.

Nobody can make nobody move from CS if they don't want to, be it TDM or not and it happens more often than with no TDM on. Atleast with TDM, the ones who don't enjoy the other parts of the game (and hence stay at CS) can enjoy the game with TDM.

And in my opinion, TDM is the only thing that will bring players back and give the game a new life, no amount of your game improvements or other factors will achieve that. Period.

PS: (How long do you think players will keep playing this game like this eh? Everyday two Alsius or three Ignis quit, Syrtis has no reason to quit, they have the freedom of zerg. Maybe once the server is completely empty most naysayers will feel good because TDM is not online)

[Candyx]

Well of course i want to play TDM, was that supposed be a secret? xD

Raindance seems to have rekt already but i think i'll rek you some more.:wiggle14:



I in fact also recall players still having warzone zerg battles almost constantly when TDM was available and some teleported when TDM was ready. And of course you will have some who with or without TDM will afk because they have a life you know or for whatever reason.




Candy make sure you read the following carefully its called the balancing effect.:

Bringing TDM back and disabling them when gate becomes vulnerable is an incentive for players to go defend their forts. They don't want their TDM to be disabled by the enemy realm when they place relic at wall, hello?..

And keeping TDM up for the other two realms when invasion is going on, on the least populated realm means that the least populated realm has a better chance of successfully defending their forts, relics, gate, and gems sense the other two realms have an incentive to stay playing TDM which might lower their chances of a successful invasion . <This is called a balancing effect do to the incentives of correct game mechanics. :D
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I assume your 'Balancing effect' is supposed to allow players to TDM some of the time and go to war other times. Good idea in theory. However in practice this means players will TDM until their gate is under attack, fight off the enemies (or fail to) then go back to TDM. Either way it removes players from the RVR. The RVR gas always been regnum's primary USP, instances detract from this pure and simple. If NGD want to change their targets from RVR to instance play then that's down to them, but I'd guess the server population would drop (why do you need it when you can have instance play without it like all other instance play games) and eventually the game would cease to excist.

I wonder why you would rather go to a TDM over a fort war? Is it merely to collect the champions coins? If so I'm sure NGD could work out some champions coin based event that takes place in the war zone in a semi-regular basis. Heck why don't we just make it the top players of the day by rp? Please explain to me and the others here (that don't like TDM) why you think it's so amazing? Where you even high enough level to TDM when it was last on?

[mind-trick]

There are only two types, those who like TDM and those who don't. And those who don't, don't like those who like to be able to play something that they don't like. Rest of all the talk is just bullshit.

inb4 having 3 options under the poll, and not 2.

Also, this poll is mostly biased from your side. You dont have to call people whiners. Do you see people who disagree with you in this thread whine about TDM? YOU are the one whining here, bitch...

People may post their opinions and arguments about tdm and also discuss changes to it, but why do you have to be such a little bitch about it?


And in my opinion, TDM is the only thing that will bring players back and give the game a new life, no amount of your game improvements or other factors will achieve that. Period.

Do you even think ahead???? New players wont be able to participate in TDM because they arent capable. Even if there was a lvl restriction, the majority of this community is lvl 60, while new players are left in a dead warzone. Its pretty much the same when the champions expansion came and all the steam players left soon after that..
This game needs many more improvements, and dont just give me this bullshit

[Tigerious]

Good way to make the warzone empty, keep giving tips like this to them and they will approve I'm sure :thumb:


Regards.

[Loque]

inb4 having 3 options under the poll, and not 2.

Also, this poll is mostly biased from your side. You dont have to call people whiners. Do you see people who disagree with you in this thread whine about TDM? YOU are the one whining here, bitch...

People may post their opinions and arguments about tdm and also discuss changes to it, but why do you have to be such a little bitch about it?



Do you even think ahead???? New players wont be able to participate in TDM because they arent capable. Even if there was a lvl restriction, the majority of this community is lvl 60, while new players are left in a dead warzone. Its pretty much the same when the champions expansion came and all the steam players left soon after that..
This game needs many more improvements, and dont just give me this bullshit
You obviously didn't read the sarcasm behind the post. Nevermind.

[Sentrii]

Haven only TDM, no
Cross server TDM, yes

[Raindance]

It's also funny how Syrtis players are against TDM, and their only argument is "that it kills WZ RvR fort war activity". You mean your farming yeah? What a shame to lose such fun.

I wonder why you would rather go to a TDM over a fort war?

For real? With the server's (and game's) current situation, I find this quite appalling. Maybe you don't see anything wrong in fort wars because you're on the zerging side. But, I see your problem. Take the numbers from 20 vs 6 to 6v6(v6) and you have a fair fight, something impossible for your kind.

[Kopstoot]

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well ,I dont play on the dominant realm and even I think that tdm had its flaws to it. Most of us know how it was like when tdm was on and its mostly personal opinion about whether it should be enabled or disabled.
This person prefers warzone and the other person prefers instances. TDM was fine tho on a large populated server
nevertheless i think that every problem of tdm should be addressed first.

This poll sucks btw. dont ever make these kind of poll again, just saying lol :rale:

[Tigerious]

It's also funny how Syrtis players are against TDM, and their only argument is "that it kills WZ RvR fort war activity". You mean your farming yeah? What a shame to lose such fun.



For real? With the server's (and game's) current situation, I find this quite appalling. Maybe you don't see anything wrong in fort wars because you're on the zerging side. But, I see your problem. Take the numbers from 20 vs 6 to 6v6(v6) and you have a fair fight, something impossible for your kind.

I see a *very objective* point of view there and the pathetic "goat" mind that think they never do the same as their *main* enemy -syrtis- (as apparently they all turn in alliance with igneos players, *anytime* and with *anypopulation amount*).
If you want to challenge a group of full jewels and well equipped and get farmed in tdm too, that is your right, but thinking as a whole server instead of selfish goals always been my primary way to think and view things. The TDM (I did participate in when it was enable) required an amount of player around the same as needed for new Dragon and as you should know as you play in Haven, make the warzone quiet and boring. Yes 10 players playing in warzone (and not afking) does animate it and bring the action anywhere it is, I do not beleive this would be a good point to have 10 players doing TDM whole day instead of making the server living.

Regards.

[Ludwig Von Mises]

It's also funny how Syrtis players are against TDM, and their only argument is "that it kills WZ RvR fort war activity". You mean your farming yeah? What a shame to lose such fun.

Excuse me? I'm from the great Syrtian kingdom? And i want TDM back too, and so do many other syrtians. Don't make this about realms because its not, this is strictly about who wants TDM back. :¬¬:

[Raindance]

I see a *very objective* point of view there and the pathetic "goat" mind that think they never do the same as their *main* enemy -syrtis- (as apparently they all turn in alliance with igneos players, *anytime* and with *anypopulation amount*).
If you want to challenge a group of full jewels and well equipped and get farmed in tdm too, that is your right, but thinking as a whole server instead of selfish goals always been my primary way to think and view things. The TDM (I did participate in when it was enable) required an amount of player around the same as needed for new Dragon and as you should know as you play in Haven, make the warzone quiet and boring. Yes 10 players playing in warzone (and not afking) does animate it and bring the action anywhere it is, I do not beleive this would be a good point to have 10 players doing TDM whole day instead of making the server living.

Regards.

No. It's 6v6v6, not even close to the 15 needed for dragon.

I'm not a pathetic goat, but thanks for trying to hurt my feelings with your brutal comments. I wonder who unbanned you.

Of course, I knew my comment would inspire a lot of hate, but there's no replies from NGD, not just on this topic, but basically everything, Nemon merge too. Sometimes you need to take a little risk and ruffle the easily butthurt people's feathers, because that's the only source of laughter one can get from this game anymore.

[halvdan]

You should know that it's possible to display who voted for which option. If you do that, you'll see there isn't any much bigger concentration of syrtians voting for any particular option.

It's also funny how Syrtis players are against TDM, and their only argument is "that it kills WZ RvR fort war activity"...

I see a *very objective* point of view there and the pathetic "goat" mind that think they never do the same as their *main* enemy -syrtis- (as apparently they all turn in alliance with igneos players, *anytime* and with *anypopulation amount*).
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Basically, I can't decide which post is more stupid.
Oh right, whole thread and poll is stupid, so I should've been expecting this.

[Kimahri_Ronso]

You should know that it's possible to display who voted for which option. If you do that, you'll see there isn't any much bigger concentration of syrtians voting for any particular option.

Not everyone who's playing the game (syrtis) using the forum and reversed :closed1:

[halvdan]

Not everyone who's playing the game (syrtis) using the forum and reversed :closed1:

100% agreed, on the other hand,from what I see everyone who's playing the game (alsius, ignis) is using the forum. Maybe that's why most polls are biased, threads stupid, etc:drinks:
lol jk, you serious? Ofc not everyone who's playing the game is using the forum, but there is some statistic file(poll) which is showing Raindance isn't right even on that small statistic selection.

[oim]

I want those aqsome champion armors. And I want to fuse them!

[MDpro]

The more I think about this TDM thing bringing back players, the more it makes me start to wonder...

As I've said before, I've never participated in it, so I'm not 100% sure how it effects the war.

The more I think about this though, the worse of an idea TDM sounds like...

The point of this would be to bring back players that haven't been playing, correct? If it's about anything else, it's really pointless imo. But here's the problem that it seems it would create...

Say a handful of players come back because of TDM, what will they be doing the whole time if they only came back for TDM? They would be playing TDM.

What about some of the few that want TDM now, but are playing in war because there is no TDM? They will stop playing in war to play TDM. When everyone gets bored of TDM, those people that would be warring at the moment if there were no TDM, would probably lose interest in the game because TDM died.

Eventually the ones that have no interest in TDM might lose interest in war because everyone is playing TDM, so they will lack the true numbers they could have. This will make them bored of the game.

Then what will most likely happen, everyone that plays TDM will get sick of it due to playing it so much, and I'm guessing they wouldn't just be like "well now time to start warring again". When they get sick of TDM, they will likely stop playing the game in general.

This is just my foresight of what could happen if they bring it back, so of course I could be wrong. Like I said, I wasn't playing the game during the time TDM was going on, so I don't know the effect it had on the game. But there must have been a reason NGD stopped it.

Like I suggested earlier in the thread, it sounds like this TDM thing would be better as a temporary thing (not a 24 hour option). Like if NGD put a gem and relic block time every day, and opened TDM during that time. Then everyone that's not in TDM can either do small group fights in the war zone, or they can grind, pvp... whatever they want, knowing they don't have to care about invasions. That I wouldn't mind personally.

:hat:

[oim]

The problem is, there are no late game goals to reach. Nothing to buy with WM Coins. Only RvR with no goals. OK that can be fun...but incredible inbalanced game machanics (resist rate, damage calculation, juwellery, ...) and class abilities destroy the fun. Zerging rules with insane amounts of stuns. If there were less stuns...or shorter.

A competitive mode like TDM perhaps cross-server would be sexy.

[ieti]

Nope instances and global war are two excluding things. You have instances OR you have a big ass world with big ass war. Making a hybrid here hurts both and will never will be good.

You either get RvR which is the main goal or RO...

Or you get to instances and a lobby and get like other ton of games out there.

Oh wait they forgot how to RvR. This is what happens when you do not know that you want and lose the path you want to take.

[Rising_Cold]

Why do people want TDM
The answer is probably that they want 'fair' action right?

small(er) fights, where you just wack at eachother or try to accomplish something
I kinda like that idea too, but most of us have seen what happend the first time TDM was released right?
Everyone who loved it was constantly in it, and the people who didnt were too few to do anything
also the stuff was/is instanced, so the server looked even more empty than it usually is

if we want small scale action so much, why cant we have regular (monthly) groupfights instead?
something not instanced so other people can watch and you can actually
show off how well (or awefull) you play in a small group?

tbh I dont know the current situation with the GM's but we're supposed to have active ones right now right?

and if this isnt possible.. than give them TDM.. BUT only a few irregular times a month/week
just so people who only want TDM dont just log on that 1 set hour, but have to check in more >: )

[oim]

buy TDM ticket with WM coins...that keeps the wz alive...problem solved

[ieti]

This have a good and a bad side. In one side this will be sink for WM coins, but on the other well some people will hunt / farm instead of war to get WM quests done. Some players have tons of WMC, so this will not bother them.

This will change nothing in war perspective.

[Kimahri_Ronso]

First you have to give WMC a meaning ^^

Since all my toons are WM, I don't even turn in WM quests.... Why? I can't use WMCS anymore, simple as that. Already have a mount too, so I won't go for the 300k WM horse.
As long as you can't spend your WMCs anywhere, it doesn't make sense at all.

[oim]

This have a good and a bad side. In one side this will be sink for WM coins, but on the other well some people will hunt / farm instead of war to get WM quests done. Some players have tons of WMC, so this will not bother them.

This will change nothing in war perspective.

And only daily access

[Ulti19]

Never really saw tdm as a warzone killer, there was really no one online to play it anyways when I was on:p If anything you get a warzone like fight, in a smaller map insta, if people queued for it. All I look for is a fight in ro, tdm in my opinion is a way of getting that fight quickly, if it's done right ( I never liked the score point and time limit, in my opinion it should be one kill = perma death and last team standing wins). On a side note I still pray for a one on one multi realm arena with options to fight same class and level and maybe people can bet on the fights etc with mag and gold or wm coins... then I wouldn't have to scour the entire world to find only some grinders which I don't want to kill. That was my problem in ro years ago, but playing again a bit lately and seeing some old faces makes it kind of fun again:)