The Fastest Speed You'll Ever Witness

[MrFreaky]

hi guys,

i've been wanting to capture a video which demonstrates what the fastest attack speed in Regnum looks like. please correct me if i am wrong but i believe there is no such speed which exceeds the 75% total which i have put together using equipment, self buffs, and Bless.

here is my setup. please note that my staff is lacking damage; it simply contains 14% AS and no extra damage besides its base. The damage is not a representation of actual DPS put forth by active SM mages, which is found to be significantly higher than shown in this video. thank you.

- Ring of Lightning (5%)
- Ring of Lightning (5%)
- Light Tunic (4%)
- Gloves (7%)
- Bracelet (5%)
- Elven Staff (14%)
- Arcane Acceleration (25%)
- Bless (10%)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG2IT1RN-6Q

[Sentan]

Damn, you don't have +10% as amu :(

[MrFreaky]

Damn, you don't have +10% as amu :(

i totally forgot about the WM ammy!!! it will have to be remade down the road.. thats very dissapointing

Edit: in reality.. i will never spend 250k on the 10% AS ammy. so witnessing 85% is very unlikely :p at least from me

[Hayir]

i totally forgot about the WM ammy!!! it will have to be remade down the road.. thats very dissapointing

Edit: in reality.. i will never spend 250k on the 10% AS ammy. so witnessing 85% is very unlikely :p at least from me

Once you have the 250k you could buy it on Amun just for testing. Once in a while it is open for public :P.

But i think the highest attack speed we ever witnessed was probably saerolyth with stacked dragon gems. He had 3 gems, that alone was 90% attack speed. Also quite sure at a certain % you won't see any difference. The animation probably won't be able to keep up and they fixed that. That's why we had double,triple etc. hits in the early days.
If i remember right he couldn't get more than 4 or 5 fulmi hits, that's what some people also reach at the moment.

Might be helpful to find out what the limit is so you don't overstack, if that is really the case, i might be wrong.

[schachteana]

isnt there an attack speed potion, too? buyable for champ coins

looking forward to the post of that one guy claiming mage autohit damage is too op (I forgot his name, was it Elva?)
edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pdP36kfC6E http://cor-forum.de/forum/images/smilies/question.png

[Pery3000]

Once you have the 250k you could buy it on Amun just for testing. Once in a while it is open for public :P.

But i think the highest attack speed we ever witnessed was probably saerolyth with stacked dragon gems. He had 3 gems, that alone was 90% attack speed. Also quite sure at a certain % you won't see any difference. The animation probably won't be able to keep up and they fixed that. That's why we had double,triple etc. hits in the early days.
If i remember right he couldn't get more than 4 or 5 fulmi hits, that's what some people also reach at the moment.

Might be helpful to find out what the limit is so you don't overstack, if that is really the case, i might be wrong.

Pretty sure it has a cap. Was talking to The Penchenski about it. (Saero) He was saying that at 39% he couldn't tell a difference in the stacking.

[MrFreaky]

Pretty sure it has a cap. Was talking to The Penchenski about it. (Saero) He was saying that at 39% he couldn't tell a difference in the stacking.

it does not necessarily have a cap. rather it has tiers. i tested this a year back and found that there is absolutely no difference unless the next tier is surpassed.

perhaps the tiers are in tens? 10%, 20%, 30%, etc ... it would require further trial and error in order to come to a conclusion.

[Hayir]

Pretty sure it has a cap. Was talking to The Penchenski about it. (Saero) He was saying that at 39% he couldn't tell a difference in the stacking.

39%? Didn't expect it to be that early. If that's the case quite sure some people might be already overstacking.

[Hayir]

it does not necessarily have a cap. rather it has tiers. i tested this a year back and found that there is absolutely no difference unless the next tier is surpassed.

perhaps the tiers are in tens? 10%, 20%, 30%, etc ... it would require further trial and error in order to come to a conclusion.

But the fact that saero couldn't get a higher fulmi amount kinda shows that there is a limit. Since even with over 100% attack speed he couldn't reach a higher tier.

[MrFreaky]

But the fact that saero couldn't get a higher fulmi amount kinda shows that there is a limit. Since even with over 100% attack speed he couldn't reach a higher tier.

of course. there must be a cap but certainly not as low as 39%. i'm quite certain that AS tiers do exist based on my personal tests. i realized that equipping an further 5% AS made absolutely no difference, but adding onto that 5% with further gear did generate that faster attack.

i'm not sure what that cap is, but i would think that it's somewhere between 90% and above based of what you've told us about saerolyth.

[Hayir]

hm..

https://www.championsofregnum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1844975&postcount=8

[Pery3000]

39%? Didn't expect it to be that early. If that's the case quite sure some people might be already overstacking.

39% is the most you could get on barb with TFB years ago. (Unless DRAC. Not able now) Now you are able to get the 10 as amulet and 10 as barb legs. 10 as bless. Would need testing to see what the changes are.

Also Barb/mage AS is completely different in terms of stacking I would assume.

[Pery3000]

it does not necessarily have a cap. rather it has tiers. i tested this a year back and found that there is absolutely no difference unless the next tier is surpassed.

perhaps the tiers are in tens? 10%, 20%, 30%, etc ... it would require further trial and error in order to come to a conclusion.

I think so because you can see the slight difference with 10% by using Rol's rather Dmg rings.

[Almighty1]

hi guys,

i've been wanting to capture a video which demonstrates what the fastest attack speed in Regnum looks like. please correct me if i am wrong but i believe there is no such speed which exceeds the 75% total which i have put together using equipment, self buffs, and Bless.

here is my setup. please note that my staff is lacking damage; it simply contains 14% AS and no extra damage besides its base. The damage is not a representation of actual DPS put forth by active SM mages, which is found to be significantly higher than shown in this video. thank you.

- Ring of Lightning (5%)
- Ring of Lightning (5%)
- Light Tunic (4%)
- Gloves (7%)
- Bracelet (5%)
- Elven Staff (14%)
- Arcane Acceleration (25%)
- Bless (10%)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG2IT1RN-6Q

I am on 71%as with bless. That light tunic -.-

What is the cap on AS? Anyone ? NGD? :D

[MrFreaky]

I think so because you can see the slight difference with 10% by using Rol's rather Dmg rings.

knowing the exact tiers will prove very beneficial. knowing whether to add that extra AS gem over that damage gem is helpful. or perhaps an AS armor piece over a resistant piece. in the end a little testing is all it takes but still... ;)

[Lebeau]

Well, one thing to definitely keep in mind is the mathematic "law of diminishing returns", which is how NGD has both a.s. & c.s. mechanically coded in CoR (i.e. 100% a.s is not twice as fast as 50%). More is more, yes, but the higher it goes, the less of an overall return ratio achieved by raising it.

[Proviva]

Following this thread with interest

[Vadhir]

Your max speed is 75%, am I right?
Let me think... Marksman with short fast bow:
5% + 7% on Bow = 12%
Rapid Shot = 25%
Hawk´s Gaze = 25%
RoL = 10%
Leggings = 5%

Total = 77%

I didn´t count WM ammy either:d Besides, cap would be +79% (w/o wm amy) if we consider Mags bow with 2 +7% AS gems, but since short fast bow would hit faster even without that 2%, I didn´t use it as cap :U

[MrFreaky]

Your max speed is 75%, am I right?
Let me think... Marksman with short fast bow:
5% + 7% on Bow = 12%
Rapid Shot = 25%
Hawk´s Gaze = 25%
RoL = 10%
Leggings = 5%

Total = 77%

I didn´t count WM ammy either:d Besides, cap would be +79% (w/o wm amy) if we consider Mags bow with 2 +7% AS gems, but since short fast bow would hit faster even without that 2%, I didn´t use it as cap :U

yeah... i figured it would have to be an archer which out did that 75%. i've always played mage in the past and didn't bother to check other classes.

two spells with 25% AS is insane. i had no idea Marks had them.

i'm merely shooting for the animation in this video; i highly doubt that 2% will show any difference. although i am very curious to see that added 10% WM ammy on either mage or archer.

EDIT: i noticed you did not include Bless in your list. so a Marks is capable of achieving 87% with no WM. 97% with WM ammy... somebody please put this together and capture it on video for us to see. :D

[Hollow-Ichigo]

yeah... i figured it would have to be an archer which out did that 75%. i've always played mage in the past and didn't bother to check other classes.

two spells with 25% AS is insane. i had no idea Marks had them.

i'm merely shooting for the animation in this video; i highly doubt that 2% will show any difference. although i am very curious to see that added 10% WM ammy on either mage or archer.

EDIT: i noticed you did not include Bless in your list. so a Marks is capable of achieving 87% with no WM. 97% with WM ammy... somebody please put this together and capture it on video for us to see. :D

Marksman also get 7% AS from champion gauntlets. I suppose it'll make a difference.

[MrFreaky]

Marksman also get 7% AS from champion gauntlets. I suppose it'll make a difference.

so 104% with fast mag bow. 106% with long mag bow. but for the purpose of the overall AS we'll forget about the 106% since this bow is not a fast.

so if we can put this together we'll have ourselves an insanely quick AS. i wonder if the animation will be able to keep up. would be neat to see.

you have a Marks don't you? or is that a hunter? i can help with socket and removals if need be. i can also provide 7AS gems.

[Hollow-Ichigo]

so 104% with fast mag bow. 106% with long mag bow. but for the purpose of the overall AS we'll forget about the 106% since this bow is not a fast.

so if we can put this together we'll have ourselves an insanely quick AS. i wonder if the animation will be able to keep up. would be neat to see.

you have a Marks don't you? or is that a hunter? i can help with socket and removals if need be. i can also provide 7AS gems.

I'm a hunter so can't really be of much help unfortunately. I tried the max attack speed for marks a long time ago and the animation couldn't keep up. The same thing will probably happen. I always assumed AS was capped like max move speed you can reach from spells. NGD never did tell us the important info for this sort of stuff though.

edit: I dont think magnanite shortbows are fast, new and old are medium speed I think. Would have to double check.

[MrFreaky]

I'm a hunter so can't really be of much help unfortunately. I tried the max attack speed for marks a long time ago and the animation couldn't keep up. The same thing will probably happen. I always assumed AS was capped like max move speed you can reach from spells. NGD never did tell us the important info for this sort of stuff though.

edit: I dont think magnanite shortbows are fast, new and old are medium speed I think. Would have to double check.

sorry i did not mean to include "fast mag bow". any normal bow with 5% + 7% will do.

[Vadhir]

My marks champ gauntlets give me crit... Im pretty sure hunters are the ones geting ms on leggins and as on gaunts... but idrk xD

[Almighty1]

My marks champ gauntlets give me crit... Im pretty sure hunters are the ones geting ms on leggins and as on gaunts... but idrk xD

Hunters have 7% as on champ gaunts.

[Almighty1]

I tried the max attack speed for marks a long time ago and the animation couldn't keep up. The same thing will probably happen.

Long time ago. I wonder if NGD tweaked with AS calculations when they nerfed CS. Would be nice if some could try the 87% or 97% setup and post a video.We can see if the animation gets bugged or not. What if changes were made to how AS actually works. We will need someone to try this out.

Also, why is such info not let out by NGD ?

[MrFreaky]

Also, why is such info not let out by NGD ?

because granting one algorithm to the community will lead to a plead for others to also be let out. besides, it would not come as a surprise to me if NGD themselves did not know the exact functioning of the algorithms since most of them go back to the start of the game.

[Bidinger]

They released the formulas for how attack speed and cast speed work when they changed them years ago (when devotion went to 100%, etc). To figure out the cast time for a given spell, do (cast time)/(1+cast speed bonus)=reduced cast time.

For example, if a spell takes 2 seconds to cast and you have 10% cast speed, you have (2)/(1+.1)=1.82, so it will take you 1.82 seconds to cast it and you've saved .18 seconds. With 100%cs (devotion), it becomes (2)/(1+1)= 1 second. With that 10% plus 100% from devotion, it's (2)/(1+1.1)= .95. As you can see, you get diminishing returns. When you only had 10%, you saved .18 seconds on this 2 second spell. If you know you'll always have devotion up, adding the extra 10% (from gear) only saves an additional .05 seconds when compared to just having devotion and no cs gear.

The same goes for attack speed, so this test of 77% won't be much different than testing at 87% because of the diminishing returns. For attack speed, you'd just have (normal attack speed)/(1+AS bonus) = new attack speed.

[Almighty1]

They released the formulas for how attack speed and cast speed work when they changed them years ago (when devotion went to 100%, etc). To figure out the cast time for a given spell, do (cast time)/(1+cast speed bonus)=reduced cast time.

For example, if a spell takes 2 seconds to cast and you have 10% cast speed, you have (2)/(1+.1)=1.82, so it will take you 1.82 seconds to cast it and you've saved .18 seconds. With 100%cs (devotion), it becomes (2)/(1+1)= 1 second. With that 10% plus 100% from devotion, it's (2)/(1+1.1)= .95. As you can see, you get diminishing returns. When you only had 10%, you saved .18 seconds on this 2 second spell. If you know you'll always have devotion up, adding the extra 10% (from gear) only saves an additional .05 seconds when compared to just having devotion and no cs gear.

The same goes for attack speed, so this test of 77% won't be much different than testing at 87% because of the diminishing returns. For attack speed, you'd just have (normal attack speed)/(1+AS bonus) = new attack speed.

Yes, calculation of CS is pretty much known by everyone.

But, where did you get this AS calculation formula? What is this normal attack speed? And why are you dividing it? Shouldn't the AS be increased with additional buff? I did not get you here. Can you give an example ?
Thanks in advance.

[Bidinger]

Yes, calculation of CS is pretty much known by everyone.

But, where did you get this AS calculation formula? What is this normal attack speed? And why are you dividing it? Shouldn't the AS be increased with additional buff? I did not get you here. Can you give an example ?
Thanks in advance.

It's the same formula, but insert "attack time" instead of "cast time". That was my mistake, I didn't explain it correctly. What I meant was if it takes you 1 second to make a normal hit, then you use 1 second as your attack speed, but I should have said attack time or something more clear.

[Almighty1]

It's the same formula, but insert "attack time" instead of "cast time". That was my mistake, I didn't explain it correctly. What I meant was if it takes you 1 second to make a normal hit, then you use 1 second as your attack speed, but I should have said attack time or something more clear.

Any info about the time between normals of fast/med/slow weapons ? Has it been changed ?

Also, does having 25% AS make your weapon shift up a level of speed (med to fast or slow to med). Or was it changed ?.

[Bidinger]

Any info about the time between normals of fast/med/slow weapons ? Has it been changed ?

Also, does having 25% AS make your weapon shift up a level of speed (med to fast or slow to med). Or was it changed ?.

It's been years since I've done any testing with it, so I don't remember any of the numbers. There's more information on the wiki though: http://regnum.wikia.com/wiki/Research:Attack_Speed

Seems like the differences between speeds (very slow, slow, medium, fast) are somewhere around 15%, so you'd need to add about 15% attack speed if you want to take a medium weapon to a fast weapon, etc.