Save Campers

[Inkster]

Hey All

Just logged in this morning to see a group of save campers, although yes newer people may not know better. Most of these were lvl 47-50.

Heres a couple of pics as proof of the amazing braveness of this party. I shall be keeping a pic log of all realms who save camp including alsius if i see it. Time to name and shame these players

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r33/Inkie_04/screenshot2007-10-2208_05_36.jpg
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r33/Inkie_04/screenshot2007-10-2208_05_29_1.jpg

[MAXDDARK]

Yeah, I'm against save camping too
But I also must admit that you might have seen me today near Alusius save with a party of 2.
I wasn't save camping, the noob player that was with me (lvl 28 I think) wanted some action and I couldn't stop him.
But I wasn't attacking anyone near the save, it's NOT MY WAY.

[amade]

Same old, same old faces. Even worse is when they get bored of waiting at forts and none of us would come since we're severely shorthanded they'd come to our save instead to provoke us a bit with some savecamping. It's a bloody cheap tactic if you ask me. You've got our fort and we couldn't take it back, you've made your point. I don't know why some people are so desperate to get a kill :\

[ncvr]

...They should put 10 guards at each save which respawn every 3 seconds.

[makarios68]

Hitting and running a save is one thing - but camping to repeatedly kill the same people is low.

Well named and shamed, Inkster.

[Pizdzius]

Good job. We should all do that! (screens) Save campers suck!!!

[Smiley2k7]

I too are against save campers. Altho they are also from the same realm.

[Valorius]

Hey All

Just logged in this morning to see a group of save campers, although yes newer people may not know better. Most of these were lvl 47-50.

Heres a couple of pics as proof of the amazing braveness of this party. I shall be keeping a pic log of all realms who save camp including alsius if i see it. Time to name and shame these players

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r33/Inkie_04/screenshot2007-10-2208_05_36.jpg
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r33/Inkie_04/screenshot2007-10-2208_05_29_1.jpg

Looks to me like the Syrtis forces were denying you entry into pozo, and the vast majority were NOT in your save. Save is not some all powerful sanctuary you know. If it was, it would be a pvp disabled zone. I was at that battle, Jibayu was yelled at by our own players endlessly, what can i tell you. I also know that you all kept charging again and again, cause again- i was there. (on the other mountain top, i never came within bow range of your save pole.

[Inkster]

well Val i came back a second time ONLY to get the screenshots, this was as i logged in this morning, denying access to the game for me, thank you for your wonderful tactics

[sathilda]

Mmm, same thing at shanaarid save :

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So you know what happen... you were warned...

[-Edge-]

Ive seen the night guardians from Syrtis do it alot, I agree with Necrovarus! Thats a good suggestion, putting 5 guards at save!

[amade]

I also know that you all kept charging again and again, cause again- i was there. (on the other mountain top, i never came within bow range of your save pole.

Indeed, that's not your style, Val. Your style is to wait a little bit further away so that you can kill the people chasing away the savecampers. Nice trick.

Oh yes, denying entry to pozo is real disadvantage to us. Who's making things up now? C'mon, everyone knows that the folks in that screenshot there are simply baiting for easy targets to come to them since they won't come to you at the fort. The savecampers are the bait of course, even if you weren't actually savecamping yourself you're just as guilty.

[Comp]

Denying entry into the pozo.....you can enter pozo from any side so why park yourselves at the save. If that's how you have to fight then I suppose I understand....feel sorry but understand. However, many can deduce where all that RP comes from. Every player handles this game differently - some with dignity and (so it seems) some without.

Keep playin' gang - there will always be save campers....lets just piss on their fires.

[Pizdzius]

There should be a penalty. If you kill a player within some range from the altar, you get 50% necrostasy!!!

[-Edge-]

Piz you wanna start that thread now bro? :biggrin:

[Myxir]

Simply stop crying.

[Pizdzius]

I was never savecamped (and never did that duh I have 32 lvl xD) but I think it's against ethics, honour and dignity XD

[MAXDDARK]

There should be a penalty. If you kill a player within some range from the altar, you get 50% necrostasy!!!

Maybe you should put it in your comics.
But please don't make Ingis the save champers.
You made as evil already.

P.S
in your last comic page you introduced 3 "elite" Ignis warriors.
But I've noticed that one of them (with the helm) wears level 40 armor...is that an Elite ???

[Inkster]

it must be said i personally have never seen an ignis save camper

[Pizdzius]

Maybe you should put it in your comics.
But please don't make Ingis the save champers.
You made as evil already.

P.S
in your last comic page you introduced 3 "elite" Ignis warriors.
But I've noticed that one of them (with the helm) wears level 40 armor...is that an Elite ???

Nah. Save campers are too lame to put them into comic.

It's the armour I got on the screenie from Edge and the "syrtis party" are all under 40. :) You don't have to be 50 to be "Elite" :]

[NightTwix]

Nah. Save campers are too lame to put them into comic.


you are right
they shouldnt get so much attention at all

[amade]

Nah. Save campers are too lame to put them into comic.


You already did portray several Alsirians camping both the save and the gate in your comic :P

[Pizdzius]

True, I did it in one page and they were smashed to the ground. Only as a warning! :fury:
savecamper = necromania? :P

[makarios68]

Looks to me like the Syrtis forces were denying you entry into pozo

Denying entry to Pozo? - What a crock of shit.

You could have denied entry to pozo farther away from the save.

Mad Val - your name has appeared in these forums a lot recently.

First it was accusations (from many quarters) that you run away and leave your allies to die.

Now you've been exposed as a save camper.

I also know that many of your realm mates have you on chat ignore in-game.

Of dubious character you are, Mad Val.

[brammie2118]

Alsius at Syrtis' save, camping. the save at the market near Herbred.

[Comp]

Alsius at Syrtis' save, camping. the save at the market near Herbred.

Looks like Ignis was there too - you were attacked by Demon's Child. Was this save camping or did a fight move this direction? Most of the people you have in your screenshot are heavily against save camping. Granted, they will make runs on the market but not the save.

[amade]

Looks like Ignis was there too - you were attacked by Demon's Child. Was this save camping or did a fight move this direction? Most of the people you have in your screenshot are heavily against save camping. Granted, they will make runs on the market but not the save.

Yeah, I really hope some of the names I see in that screen have a bloody good reason to be there. Else I'll be very disappointed with them :(

[brammie2118]

demons child was not at save, i got killed at Samal...

and i heard every1 shouting save campers so i took screen... so it could be a attack near save by them and everyone shouted it...


and our market is like 5m away from save.

[Comp]

Well, you did the right thing.....

[makarios68]

I think an area of sanctuary around saves would put a stop to all this nonsense.

[Drah]

I was there too.

Of the 10 or so we had there... two people really attacked the save, the rest of us were a little further away at pozo either side of the path (as it was a good vantage point).

We originally went into Pozo to hunt and as is to be expected, we had a steady stream of attacks coming at us from the save. Almost all of us held back apart from one or two idiots who literally went right over to the save.

For most of us Syrtis players that were there, if you'd left the save and headed in any other direction than at us, we wouldn't have attacked.

As for Jibayu and whoever else it was, we WERE screaming and yelling at them to stop... they either don't understand English or just ignored us. When it became evident that they weren't going to leave the save by choice.. the rest of us headed over to Ignis, in the hope that they'd follow and leave the save alone.

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Denying entry to Pozo? - What a crock of shit.

You could have denied entry to pozo farther away from the save.

Valorius was on top of the hill and so was farther away from the save, near enough in the pozo crater itself... you transferring Jibayu's actions onto Val in order to attack Val is a "crock of shit".

Val was yelling at Jibayu too - even saying that it was damaging the reputation of our realm. I'm sure there are people unconnected to our Clan who were there and can attest to this.

I know Val winds people up and isn't very good with tact and diplomacy but it's Jibayu and the other person who had crossed the line... Val was against them, and was actually on your side of this argument.

[Zidane_Tribal]

I think an area of sanctuary around saves would put a stop to all this nonsense.
no, it wouldnt, it would just mean the campers wait outside that area.

[makarios68]

no, it wouldnt, it would just mean the campers wait outside that area.

Why would they wait outside the area? - that would be silly, as they can't kill those at the save.

They would be killed themselves when those at the save call for reinforcements.

At the moment you can be killed as you wait for reinforcements, or be killed when you log in, or be killed when you are bursting for the toilet and have to go afk.

I think santuary makes good sense.

[Witch]

I think santuary makes good sense.

100% agree with makarios68. Let finish with all those noob altar campers.

[e30G]

That can be abused. People being hunted can simply run into the save and automatically be safe. :(

[makarios68]

That can be abused. People being hunted can simply run into the save and automatically be safe. :(

Which is why there would be no point going near enemy saves.

[makarios68]

I was there too.

Valorius was on top of the hill and so was farther away from the save, near enough in the pozo crater itself... you transferring Jibayu's actions onto Val in order to attack Val is a "crock of shit".

Val was yelling at Jibayu too - even saying that it was damaging the reputation of our realm. I'm sure there are people unconnected to our Clan who were there and can attest to this.

I know Val winds people up and isn't very good with tact and diplomacy but it's Jibayu and the other person who had crossed the line... Val was against them, and was actually on your side of this argument.

Oh ok - if this is true, apologies to the Valster.

[amade]

I have to agree with magnet's post elsewhere, there shouldn't be safezones people can go to in the warzone. Getting out of a safezone, i.e. permanent res dizzy that gets cancelled as soon as you move, I don't mind.

Val concerned about damaging his realm's reputation? Hmmm, I am impressed.

[Smiley2k7]

Why does it have to be from our realm and doesn't speak English? :rale:

[Inkster]

to quote Drah

I was there too.

Of the 10 or so we had there...

well in sight of a save ... enough said

[MAXDDARK]

Today I've seen a BIG party of sytris camping Ignis save near samal.
Here are the proves :

1. sytris save camper Dragonet
2. sytris save camper Takola
3. sytris save camper Drath
4. sytris save camper Pretty
5. sytris save camper m d m a

More to come in next post...

[MAXDDARK]

1. sytris save camper Conversor
2. sytris save camper miotto
3. They all after me...But I've managed to escape as always ;)

[Pizdzius]

So you should report it to NGD I believe...

[e30G]

So that's where they went when they disappeared from Samal. :(

[Drah]

Camping??

We hit the save and retreated, or at least I did.

Intel caught me as I was heading back to Samal. Maybe you could ask him about that!!

In that "They all after me" screeny... where was I?? Oh that's right, I had ALREADY moved on!!

I didn't fire a single shot at anyone who remained stood at the altar itself.

And if we get consistently attacked by idiots at the altar when we're trying to retreat, they only have themselves to blame if we can't retreat quickly enough.

I think Dragonet and Takola were in and out too.

This is as bad as Witch's "save campers" thread and will only beget even more of this childish pettyness.

If you (Not you MAXDDARK but most of those who were with you!) break res-dizzyness and attack people who are retreating from your save... what else do you expect?

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As for me personally camping... I was absent in the 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th and 8th screenshots which does help corroborate what I'm saying.

[MAXDDARK]

I've been there, you were waiting near the save just to kill us more and more...
I do believe that you weren't there by mistake ;)

[amade]

Camping??

We hit the save and retreated, or at least I did.

Intel caught me as I was heading back to Samal. Maybe you could ask him about that!!

In that "They all after me" screeny... where was I?? Oh that's right, I had moved on!!

And if we get consistently attacked by idiots at the altar when we're trying to retreat, they only have themselves to blame if we can't retreat quickly enough.

Main reasons why I don't even attack save altars are:
1. It's too dangerous
2. Even if you meant to only attack it, others might have other "intentions"
3. When you try to leave, you might have to hang back to save your friends who are being attacked by people who have resurrected (if they have a good chance of killing the attackers, why shouldn't they try?), and thus you have to kill them again which, loosely speaking, makes you a camper even if you didn't mean to at first.

So I always try to discourage anyone going to the save, and if that fails I simply hang far back. If they decide to stay longer than necessary, I leave.

At least you did the right thing by leaving the altar, but IMO it'd be better if you simply avoided it in the first place. You weren't too desperate to have to come and attack them at saves, were you? You had the fort, all you had to do was wait for them to come. Patience is a virtue I learned from the likes of Xzorstlok, Pelicautghar and Zebedee ;)

Edit: Added reason 3.

[Drah]

I agree. It does seem to be that way...

To avoid being labeled as a save-camper, the only thing you can do is avoid the save altogether... which I guess is what we'll have to try to do.

Maybe... http://www.regnumonline.com.ar/forum/showpost.php?p=191905&postcount=33

[MAXDDARK]

OK Drah, you were far away from the save and I have been convinced that you are not a save camper by yourself, you were leaded there by your party and your intentions were as clean as they can be.

But most of your party were save campers.

P.S
I already took my revenge on m d m a and maybe someone else from the list ;)
But I didn't kill Conversor because he run close to the save and I let him be.

This is not the thing that should be reported to NGD, because it IS in fact legal to camp saves.
It is just very not ethical but still legal.
If NGD would like to prevent it, they can put some guards around the save.

[daresbalat]

These threads are boring. I don't really know what people hope to achieve with them.


1. Surely a big party at your save is EASY RP. You can respawn as many times as you like. You don't have to run very far. 9 times out of 10, anyone getting that close to pozo save is dead within the minute. If you can't kill a party near your save then well... i despair.

2. I'm sorry but I don't think killing someone *near* a save is save camping. It's only save camping if you kill someone, wait for them to respawn and then somehow chase them while rez dizzyness is on. If they attack you and break rez, that's a legitimate counterattack.

Having a photo of someone "near" a save doesn't prove anything, just that whey were near a save. Like I'ts already been said, they aren't some kind of "dobby off ground" area. If someone runs to a save with a sliver of health left of course you're going to get chased!

3. See 1.

4. To reiterate. People are NOT SAVE CAMPING IF THEY ARE ATTACKING PEOPLE NEAR THE ALTAR. Show me a picture of yo dead body right next to the altar, with someone standing over it and I'll think about it. but in all these photos it looks like you are not AFK, not got rez dizzyness on, and fighting. In none of them is anyone actually AT the altar gettting targetted.

5. see 1. jesus.

[Pizdzius]

5. sytris save camper m d m a


LOL I met him today and said "save camper" and he was like "where where" and headed back to wz. XD

[Myxir]

I see no sense in reporting save campers.
Galynn camps at our save the whole day, too.
So what? :D
Saves are part of the game and hunting too. If you are hunting and you get near a save (wanted or not) you are forced to stay there. you have to defend yourselfes.
Well it is anoying I know that. 20 people were attacking our gate this week. But wayne?
I see no point why so many people are whining about that worthless stuff.
This f*cking whining really influences the athmosphere of this forum and ingame.
Be aware of it. It is only a game. Don't take things too serious.

[Pizdzius]

Well I kinda can't play when I die, rezz, then die, then rezz and then die again :P

[ArcticWolf]

Well I kinda can't play when I die, rezz, then die, then rezz and then die again :P


At least you get fun counting how many hits it took them to kill you... And pressing the rezz button.

[misaccc]

There is a simple solution...put saves behind the great wall;)

[Tyr]

There is a simple solution...put saves behind the great wall;)

That would fix nothing. Sure there would be no save camping but all the save campers would now be gate campers. The only thing that would change would be the term used to describe them.

[Pizdzius]

well they will be there no matter what. The point is, we have to avoid them :)

[-Edge-]

well they will be there no matter what. The point is, we have to avoid them :)
I say put some guards at save, or a sanctuary, and NGD HAD a solution, they got rid of it, it was making you invisible when you spawn at a save, and once you move you lose invisibility.

[Pizdzius]

oh WOW it was nice!!

[misaccc]

Yea that was a great solution dunno why they didnt leave it:/

[-Edge-]

I think it was because that was the update with the big stuff, and the huge problems, I think it was the one with all the missing attack animations. Either it was dropped, because th whole update was cancelled, or it was a mistake,

[misaccc]

It was a good mistake lol
anyway the possible solution would be like demon suggested or putting a sphere in 20m around the save that u can only exit after u respawn and once u out of it theres no commin back

[NightTwix]

that wasnt NGD, it was DM with stalker surroundings.
after the last big update when lots of things went wrong.

but i agree, its not a bad solution

[-Edge-]

That or guards will work :p

[NightTwix]

That or guards will work :p

guards dont work at the gate, so they wont work at the save either

[Anpu]

Today I just logged on in Herbred save and here is what happened, just few seconds after my log in:
http://img486.imageshack.us/img486/2987/screenshot2007110611284fu6.th.jpg (http://img486.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot2007110611284fu6.jpg)

they came from hill, killed me and one mage, they didnt pursuit anyone, just came killed us, and went because i didnt ressurect guess why: because i will respawn in front of them, on same place they killed me. they waited 20 seconds and after that went.
i know its war and ok, but gaining rps on such way is big shame, though it looks not shame for them since they did it.

edit: they just came back again :)

[Angelwinged_Devil]

I say put some guards at save, or a sanctuary, and NGD HAD a solution, they got rid of it, it was making you invisible when you spawn at a save, and once you move you lose invisibility.
same with when you log on or enter wz would be a good idea to stay invis. As soon as you do anything, any kind of activity you lose it, which means you can't attack or anything with it.

[ByteMe]

Anpu,

That is lame! Camping a save, or even hunting near a save is lame. Glad you got a good screenshot to expose the losers!

[Angelwinged_Devil]

I thought you were a marks

[Bully]

With the new update you will have the 2 minutes rezz dizzy when you log in as well as rezz at a save.

[Pizdzius]

woot, whining will stop

[makarios68]

You can avoid being killed while rezz dizzy at a save if you use your 2 minutes wisely.

The worst thing is when you log in and the assholes are there - you don't stand a chance.

Save campers should not reap any reward for killing someone the second they log in.

There should be something to prevent this.

[Pizdzius]

as you can read, there will be :P

[Inkster]

The worst thing is when you log in and the assholes are there - you don't stand a chance.


This was the reason i originally made this post, i was logging into the game. the idea of been under dizzy as you log in is a good idea, what you do with the 2 mins is up to you

[Pizdzius]

yeah you can even log out XD

[Inkster]

lol i did on the day i posted it - well swapped to other character in inner realm anyway

[octopus]

A picture is worth a thousand syrtis. Er, words.

[Aries202]

yes save campers sucks but check this out did the game change? r there still save campers yes so why keep whinning ya have nothing else to talk about?

[Pizdzius]

emm octopus there is a difference between save camping (eh) and killing someone who's near the save...

save camping is like... someone kills you, you die, then rezz, then he kills you, then you rezz, then he kills you... :P

[-Edge-]

emm octopus there is a difference between save camping (eh) and killing someone who's near the save...

save camping is like... someone kills you, you die, then rezz, then he kills you, then you rezz, then he kills you... :P
I know, im tired of people that die at a save, then go around saying they were camped, camping is killing a guy over, and over, and over, and over...

[misaccc]

And smart ppl shouldnt click the ress. button so it is imposible to kill them more then once;)

[Pizdzius]

smart people when they die in wz, they go eat a snack, watch waterfall in bathroom and watch some tv. then get back and make a revenge. Otherwise you die in RL, you really have to eat sometimes

[Inkster]

very smart people use it to go to bathroom and take a dump :biggrin:

[Pizdzius]

I said about waterfall to not say dump lol

[Godofsilver]

ANOTHER save camping thread?!?

This is some REAL camping!

[mrclean]

Often happens that armies chasing a poor guy reach an altar... And often happens that someone camp there. I never have camped an altar, I think also never get so close to an enemy altar cause:

1. Is a thing I hate :rale:
2. I don't wanna be fresh meat for others :biggrin:

Anyway as more frequently I see alsius and syrtis camping at samal as more I wish to start camping as well and this is bad.

I suggest who hates to be camped don't start to camp as well otherwise is a snake that bites his tail but on the otherside you'll free to think "hey this is a war who matters of honour?"

[MAXDDARK]

Here is another bunch of Sytris save camping - bastards !

[misaccc]

Plz ppl lets let go of this lame thread

[chuckclose1]

A picture is worth a thousand syrtis. Er, words.

val at a save and running away - priceless:thumb_up:

let him deny that one

[chuckclose1]

Here is another bunch of Sytris save camping - bastards !

question how did u get enemy names to appear like that , i know 'v' will show allies

[MAXDDARK]

I selected one bastard and moved the mouse crosser over the other.

[chuckclose1]

I selected one bastard and moved the mouse crosser over the other.

ohh ok thanks

i thought maybe a new key was added to show only enemys

[Drah]

Show another screeny 60 seconds after the first of the same people still there and I'll call it camping too.

My biggest headache is trying to get people to leave the trelle save alone when we try to get our realm to move from trelle to pinos... there's been a few times where the plan has been to storm straight past it... rarely works out like that though :(

[Valour]

There were 6 syritis at the save near menirah the other day, I was healing people unchallening and very easy in order to fight the lvl 50's...

I still have nothing against save campers. Should always be people you can call in your realm chats who will run to help...

[Valorius]

Show another screeny 60 seconds after the first of the same people still there and I'll call it camping too.

My biggest headache is trying to get people to leave the trelle save alone when we try to get our realm to move from trelle to pinos... there's been a few times where the plan has been to storm straight past it... rarely works out like that though :(

Yeah, bright shiney objects like saves are too much for some moths....errr....players to resist.

[Valour]

Heh, I was near oasis save training yesterday and three lots of syritis save campers came...

It doesn't just affect one realm :)

[GIGO305]

Mmm, same thing at shanaarid save :

5280

So you know what happen... you were warned...


im not in this pic and im usualy camping and dancing around your save and everytime im in ignis i always pass by shaanarid and you didnt take my pic, if this is how its gona be ... im gona go hunting for you, see you by your presius save that barely has anyone there all day long :fury:

[sathilda]

im gona go hunting for you, see you by your presius save that barely has anyone there all day long :fury:

Guess why there is nobody there, this save is always attacked xD