Sytris save campers - why you ?

[MAXDDARK]

Most save campers come from Sytris, I just want to ask you a question
Why mostly it has to be you ?
Don't you feel it gives you a bad name ?

I mean free rp is easy but comon - it's lame !

[chuckclose1]

i dont think its the fact that most save campers come from syrtis

it has more to do with they have the most players, and a lot of young ones at that

in my experience there is a fare amount of players save camping from each realm

and i bet if you could figure out the % of save campers compared to the population of the realm, i bet all 3 realms would be about even

[daflear]

another save camping thread *tilt*

[putkonen]

Save camping is fun, not lame :biggrin:

[misaccc]

Nooonoo:(
why do we have to make a save camping thread every week

[chuckclose1]

Why don't we just give people 5000 bonus damage for 20 seconds after they resurrect at altar.
That'll stop those annoying save campers once and for all. ;)

But I feel sorry for all the mobs around the save(although they tend to get killed anyway...).

lol that would defenatly do it

[LuthienNenharma]

When I was in Ignis to chat with some friends I saw really much Syrtis ppl which were camping the save near Samal. :thumb_down:

[NightTwix]

When I was in Ignis to chat with some friends I saw really much Syrtis ppl which were camping the save near Samal. :thumb_down:

dont worry, I havent seen any German Guardian doing it.
they are only after me :rale:

[LuthienNenharma]

dont worry, I havent seen any German Guardian doing it.
they are only after me :rale:
German Guardians dont do stuff like that.
Dont worry, I will never kill you with my conjurer :smile:

[sathilda]

i dont think its the fact that most save campers come from syrtis

it has more to do with they have the most players, and a lot of young ones at that

in my experience there is a fare amount of players save camping from each realm

and i bet if you could figure out the % of save campers compared to the population of the realm, i bet all 3 realms would be about even

I totally agree, it's sure we see more syrtisians doing this or that cause they're about the half of regnum's population...

All realm do gate/save camping.

See ya the next week for a new save camping thread :metal:

[Myxir]

We would never camp anywhere.
http://florianschwade.fl.funpic.de/gallery/img/Regnum/screenshot%202007-12-01%2018_55_47.jpg

[DkySven]

.....


Stupid guards XD

[valterbla]

Sytris

Well, Would be cool Syrtis camp very in Alsius yea because, everyone of Alsius talk, talk and talk about they are being camped on but they are so so so so angels that are always camping and if Syrtis camp on S.O.S (Save Of Samal), We already maked pvps :p

NOTE: is Syrtis, not Sytris >º<

EDIT: And why is always Syrtis fault when the Evil Alsius people are the bad guys?

[misaccc]

Actualy the last month i played i havent heard once that any1 camped any ignis save...maybe im not in the right time zone(treehumpers and goats only camp at night?:D )

[One]

I remember few day ago I was just standing on the wall above the gate and watching "spectacle", a group of Ignis using Stalker 20m away and killing everyone who enter into WZ. Stalker just sux it should be removed from Hunter's abilities, it cannot be tracked.

[DkySven]

Stalker can be tracked, ask Joel....

[One]

Stalker can be tracked, ask Joel....

Wrong, I'm hunter and I've gone down into WZ and tracked and just got "no tracks" then 5 seconds after I've been attacked from that group.

[DkySven]

At least with track realm enemy you can. Maybe not with enemy surveillance.

[misaccc]

Stalker just sux it should be removed from Hunter's abilities,

r u crazy dude?its 1 of the best hunter spells and it saved my ass couple of times...

[One]

At least with track realm enemy you can. Maybe not with enemy surveillance.

Also wrong, since I play hunter for about last 5 months, after all hunting around, both enemy surveillance and track realm cannot track stalker and camouflage.

[One]

r u crazy dude?its 1 of the best hunter spells and it saved my ass couple of times...

When is used to save "your ass" is ok, but when is used to camp 20m from the gate is not quit ok.

[DkySven]

I tracked him One, I am not blind.

[DonnAy]

Well... track dont works always
Sometimes i track group in stalker,sometimes not
Guess is just another bug

[One]

Well... track dont works always
Sometimes i track group in stalker,sometimes not
Guess is just another bug

The bug must be selective then, cause it never work for me.

[DkySven]

Enemy surveillance don't works close I heard.

[One]

I remember I hunted few times DMC and few others around I see them using camouflage or stalker, then i used both realm track and enemy surveillance is just "no tracks" each time so Is my conclusion, you cannot track.

[DkySven]

Weird

@NGD, how is it meant to be?

[Boger]

SHUT THE FUCK UP WITH THE YANKING AND GO PLAYING!
ffs, pussies.

[One]

SHUT THE FUCK UP WITH THE YANKING AND GO PLAYING!
ffs, pussies.

C'mon Boger, we are just talking about some "bugs" that some hunters exploit so is just nonsense to keep that abilities
Yesterday we hunted an Ignis hunter for about 15-20 minutes around the gate. Is just getting boring.

[Myxir]

Stalker can be tracked, ask Joel....
Right. Stalker can be tracked.

[misaccc]

Nope if every class can somehow detect it then it looses its sense

[Myxir]

There are several ways to detect a group hiding with stalker.
1. Enemy Surveillance and Track Realm Enemy (both spells track camouflage and stalker)
2. Use area spell (you will see/hear, that you hit the enemy)

3. Pull Agro mobs where you think the enemy is hiding. They will hit the invisible players.

[makarios68]

As far as i'm aware hunters can track enemies under stalker (tho i'm not sure if this a bug or not) but they can't track hunters under camoflauge.

Many times i have tracked hunters under stalker.

As for taking away the stalker spell: i say only if you take away one of the best spells from every class.

But what's the point of that: leave things as they and do as Boger says: stop whingeing and just play.

[Myxir]

but they can't track hunters under camoflauge.

You can also track Hunters in camouflage.
Yesterday I did it.

[One]

You can also track Hunters in camouflage.
Yesterday I did it.

Is what I said earlier, for someone it works, for someone it doesn't. So NGD fix this or just remove camouflage and stalker.

[Myxir]

I think in general invisible people should be able to be tracked. You simply cannot move without spreading traces on the ground.
Also this gives the invisible people some tactical methods. If the hunter casts the track spell you can rush out of invisibility using Mobility. This gives you enough time to get out of range sometimes even the view range.

But we are getting offtopic.

[magnet]

Is what I said earlier, for someone it works, for someone it doesn't. So NGD fix this or just remove camouflage and stalker.

Well as you say, you've been hunter for so long and you should know WHY you don't get tracks... I'm sure someone will be kind enough to fill you in, but you can track people in Camouflage AND Stalker. For stalker I did it a few times, last time was yesterday, when a hunter tracked Nessa (btw the hunter was so noob he didn't understand it was stalker and was ready to fall in the trap later :thumb_down:).

NDG has stated a few times that the tracking spells are not meant to be GPS, 100% precise, and they don't work in some situations. Personally I really like it the way it is even if there is room for improvement (missing 1 guy OK, but a party of 8 should never happen).

[makarios68]

Is what I said earlier, for someone it works, for someone it doesn't.
Yes - it must be hit and miss coz it doesn't work for me.



So NGD fix this or just remove camouflage and stalker.
No - how can you say that? This would ruin hunters completely.

[One]

Yes - it must be hit and miss coz it doesn't work for me.




No - how can you say that? This would ruin hunters completely.

Think in other way : what's the point to use camouflage or stalker if you're trackable?

[DkySven]

There's not always a hunter around. And for camouflage, what Nessa said.

[magnet]

Every spell has a counterspell. What fun would it be if they were NOT trackable?

Btw, this discussion happened a few months ago already... and the conclusion was: it's not going to change.

[misaccc]

Yup stalker&camou r good as they r now
btw great change of subject lol

[tak]

Think in other way : what's the point to use camouflage or stalker if you're trackable?
You claim to play a hunter for months and know dick about their skills?

The things you demand are just ludicrous, remove Stalker and Camouflage :tsk_tsk: and you haven't even figured out they can be tracked.

Go back and play some more maybe you'll find something sensible to ask for.

[One]

You claim to play a hunter for months and know dick about their skills?

The things you demand are just ludicrous, remove Stalker and Camouflage :tsk_tsk: and you haven't even figured out they can be tracked.

Go back and play some more maybe you'll find something sensible to ask for.

If you read up I said that i cannot track camou and stalker and I'm sure that I'm not alone. How many times I see enemy with my eyes and track say "no tracks"? I cannot track visible enemy many times so how could I track invisible? Good question. I know what I've saw and many of you exploiting that bug like DMC i hunted him few times and every time he used camouflage i checked spell track and always was "no tracks".

[Myxir]

If you read up I said that i cannot track camou and stalker and I'm sure that I'm not alone. How many times I see enemy with my eyes and track say "no tracks"? I cannot track visible enemy many times so how could I track invisible?
You cannot track visible persons if:
1. There are trees in the way
2. Stones in the way (the small ones are enough to block it)
3. he stands on the other side of the bridge
4. you don't track him if there is another group that is further

This should be for invisibles too, i guess.

[misaccc]

It happed a some time ago that us few mid lvls went to pb and our hunter tracked and said that theres nothing.we went to bridge and there were like 20 syrtis lol
so thats a bug right?

[tak]

If you read up I said that i cannot track camou and stalker and I'm sure that I'm not alone. How many times I see enemy with my eyes and track say "no tracks"? I cannot track visible enemy many times so how could I track invisible? Good question. I know what I've saw and many of you exploiting that bug like DMC i hunted him few times and every time he used camouflage i checked spell track and always was "no tracks".
I can track camouflaged hunters. Nessa told you he can as well. Noone said yet that he can't either. Plus the things that Nessa told you about trees and stones etc. still apply. If you don't know about bugs of your skills be ready to learn about them at least.

Calling for those skills to be removed instead just makes you look ridiculous, which was the main reason i replied to your post.

[tak]

It happed a some time ago that us few mid lvls went to pb and our hunter tracked and said that theres nothing.we went to bridge and there were like 20 syrtis lol
so thats a bug right?
Yeah, bridge area is buggy as hell. I remember fighting Syrtis on pb, casting MoD and no one getting dizzy.
Area spells have to be used with caution when around or on bridges.

[makarios68]

It happed a some time ago that us few mid lvls went to pb and our hunter tracked and said that theres nothing.we went to bridge and there were like 20 syrtis lol
so thats a bug right?

I think it's designed that way - certain features like bridges, forts and rocks are designed to make hunter scans fallible. I suppose the thinking is that if their scans were correct 100% it would be less fair and less fun.

So next time a hunter says, "nada" - i suggest you remain wary.

[makarios68]

And don't blame the hunter if he says, "nada" and there's 20 enemies nearby.

He is merely repeating what he reads on his log.

And to those people who say, "You said there was nothing!" = :p

[misaccc]

Nah i dont blame him(it was a fun slaughter lol) but the thing is that we were at stones just after limit and syrtis was on our side(they crossed the bridge)...

[Myxir]

Hey,
this would be unchallenging for a hunter if stones and bridges would not block the tack spells :biggrin:
To most of my track announcements I add "be prepared for more".

[MAXDDARK]

How this thread could go so wrong...
We begun talking about Syrtis save campers and gone to Hunters skill bugs...

Maybe someone should split this thread.

[_dracus_]

In syrtis we also got some save camping but may be less cause we actually have just one useable save in War Zone which make it the save and the meeting point, so it's safer. Maybe this is a part of the explanation.

[makarios68]

How this thread could go so wrong...
We begun talking about Syrtis save campers and gone to Hunters skill bugs...

Maybe someone should split this thread.

Who cares? :biggrin:

[tak]

The savecamping threads annoy me more than the actual savecamping itself.

It happens, it won't go away.
Get over it.

[chuckclose1]

How this thread could go so wrong...
We begun talking about Syrtis save campers and gone to Hunters skill bugs...

Maybe someone should split this thread.


thats because were all so tired of hearing about save campers

everything that could ever be said about the subject has been said many times over already

but never the less someone will start a save camping thread next week anyway lol

[Valorius]

Hmm, i was there as we took out large parties of alsius and ignis at our save market yesterday. And we do it almost every day, for that matter.

I think that whining about save camping is hypocritical, cause every realm does it. A lot.

Also, it is INTENTIONALLY an open combat freefire warzone. If you dont like save campers, dont go in the WZ.

In Alsius i get the impression they consider all of pozo to be part of their save, cause ive seen several screenies of syrtis in the opening of pozo, being accused of save camping. And seriously, if you dont want us in your save....why do you always run back to it when attacked? Because it's smart, yes....but it does encourage "save camping", doesnt it?

[Valorius]

I remember few day ago I was just standing on the wall above the gate and watching "spectacle", a group of Ignis using Stalker 20m away and killing everyone who enter into WZ. Stalker just sux it should be removed from Hunter's abilities, it cannot be tracked.

Stalker can be tracked.

[Myxir]

Awww we finished that discussion already :biggrin:

[Valorius]

Apparently not.

[NightTwix]

Apparently not.

Apparently you didnt read through the thread

[Valorius]

The fact that people are still commenting on it, means that apparently its not settled. The fact that more threads just like this one will be posted in the days and weeks to come, is further evidence its not settled.

I will post on whatever open thread i feel like. If you dont like it, dont read my posts.

LOL, hater.

[Myxir]

#54 on the last page was the last post related to the Spell bugs. After this we returned to the original topic :)

[MAXDDARK]

Hmm, i was there as we took out large parties of alsius and ignis at our save market yesterday. And we do it almost every day, for that matter.

I think that whining about save camping is hypocritical, cause every realm does it. A lot.

Also, it is INTENTIONALLY an open combat freefire warzone. If you dont like save campers, dont go in the WZ.

In Alsius i get the impression they consider all of pozo to be part of their save, cause ive seen several screenies of syrtis in the opening of pozo, being accused of save camping. And seriously, if you dont want us in your save....why do you always run back to it when attacked? Because it's smart, yes....but it does encourage "save camping", doesnt it?


I consider save camping only if you begin fighting in the save, OR shoot at the enemy that currently inside the save zone.
But if you were fighting outside the save and he run to the save I think it would be fair to finish him off.

But certainly not to wait just outside the save (or inside the save) for people to respawn and kill them when the "god mode" time goes off.

Kill people near the big hole zone in Alsius is fair , and market camping as not very nice ;) is also legit.

[Valorius]

I have no issues with someone shooting an afk player who is lounging around in save thinking he's safe. Going AFK in wz is stupid, and should always be punished by death. LOL.

If they're not afk, then they'll fight back, so where we are doesnt really even matter. If anything, attacking an enemy in save gives him many advantadges over you that he would not normally have.

[chuckclose1]

i agree , i go afk in th wz all the time for what ever reason

and i usally expect to be dead by the time i get back

whats the big deal i kill a mob and get rid of the necro

[daflear]

I have no issues with someone shooting an afk player who is lounging around in save thinking he's safe. Going AFK in wz is stupid, and should always be punished by death. LOL.

If they're not afk, then they'll fight back, so where we are doesnt really even matter. If anything, attacking an enemy in save gives him many advantadges over you that he would not normally have.

Right, the most funniest guys are the people, who go afk at the gate IN the warzone xD

No mercy for this ;-)