Dual shoot

[CumeriTarenes]

Yesterday I were hit by two dual shoots from a red marks.

He hit me for 718 and 825 damage. That looks a bit too much for 110 mana cost.


The marks was lvl 50, I am lvl 48. I had no protection buffs on me and no death sentece, sudden strike or something like that.

Ok, he is a marks, so he can have recharged arrow lvl 5 and the damage passive lvl 5. But I never saw that high damage before from dual shoot.

[misaccc]

wow lol thats ALOT

[ljrossi]

mmm, is stranger ? You might say ho hit you, so he can explain.

Julius

[Dee-luxX]

Yeah, you had no ds cause winter stroke made an avg dmg.

He's a marks, and there's a bow range 20 medium i think. But still, thats WAY TOO much for a non-debuffed hit.

Say his name, cause there's nothing more we can do from here.

[CumeriTarenes]

I won't blame anybody in public. I just wanted to show what damage is possible.


I allready reported that...now NGD can decide if he cheated or not.

[makarios68]

I've known dual shot do 600 dmg. But it involved:

: recharged arrows lvl5

:death sentence lvl5

I have no idea how the dmg you talk of happened.

Was there anyone else around the marks?

He could have been buffed with onslaught/head of the pack, ect - maybe?

[CumeriTarenes]

It was a fort war.

The hit with 718 dmg hit me from the wall. I was behind the fort, in range more than 20. I was not death sentenced. The agressor stood allone on the wall.


The second hit with 825 damage was in front of the fort, there were many people around.

So yes, maybe he was buffed...maybe he had max dex passive, manuever lvl 5, recharged arrow lvl 5, damage passive lvl 5, +dex from conju, Xymerald short bow range 25 medium, off with their head, onslaught....


As you can see on one screenshoot his normal shoot is very high. In normal cases I am hit with this damage by slow long bows. But maybe he switched the bow, I dunno

[NightTwix]

thats really a lot damage

was it someone from ignis or syrtis?

[CumeriTarenes]

He was from Ignis

[Proteas]

I am a hunter and i have dual shot.

but i have never seen nor heard of a hit from dual shot to do that amount of damage.

NGD Studios should look into this.



Regards

[ncvr]

The log could *possibly* still be bugged, and the death sentence did not show.

Like what possibly happened when Vengala cast serpeant bite on byteme for 102 dmg/tick.

I am a hunter and i have dual shot.

but i have never seen nor heard of a hit from dual shot to do that amount of damage.

NGD Studios should look into this.



Regards

A hunter's dmg with Dual shot and base attack is different to that of a marks. Marksmen have base attack dmg boosting spells(recharged arrows, +40% dmg). He could also possibly have had maxed longbows with maneuvar, and as I said before hidden death sentence and maybe onslaught(Blunt dmg +150).

[CumeriTarenes]

I had no death sentence on me.


The aggressor was all the time in bigger range to me and the winter stroke did normal damage to me. Also the second time he had a very hard normal hit. Either it was a slow long bow and he switched to short bow for dual shoot then or he had onslaught there which decreases the possibility that he had also onslaught with his dual shoot since onslaught works only for the very first hit.

[ncvr]

The Death Sentence may have been cast on you the instant after winter stroke was. Maybe both the animation, icon and combat log were bugged.

Similarly, he could've been onslaughted the instant before he shot you with dual shot.

[CumeriTarenes]

no, the dual shoot hit me immediately after I stopped being freezed from winter stroke.

Even my shield piercing with death sentence (both on spell lvl 5) doesn't do that damage.


But maybe he was very buffed. I don't say it has to be a cheat. I just wanted to sensitize the community to that.

Despite I reported the issue to NGD. That way they check. In fact they are the only ones who can really check what happend. I hope :)

[cerezo]

So yes, maybe he was buffed...maybe he had max dex passive, manuever lvl 5, recharged arrow lvl 5, damage passive lvl 5, +dex from conju, Xymerald short bow range 25 medium, off with their head, onslaught....


As you can see on one screenshoot his normal shoot is very high. In normal cases I am hit with this damage by slow long bows. But maybe he switched the bow, I dunno

To can do this damage without Death Sentence you must to use "Pela Sucia" (i don't know how do you say in english) (+30% bonus)
With recharge arrows and manuever the duals (5) are about 600-650 + 30% = 800 damage

[ChadMC]

To can do this damage without Death Sentence you must to use "Pela Sucia" (i don't know how do you say in english) (+30% bonus)
With recharge arrows and manuever the duals (5) are about 600-650 + 30% = 800 damage

"Dirty Fighting" in english. Most people forget about that spell.
340 regular hit + 30% = 442
+ 25% from Dual Shot = 552
+ OnSlaught = 702

I'm just guessing though.

[Miraculix]

"Dirty Fighting" in english. Most people forget about that spell.
340 regular hit + 30% = 442
+ 25% from Dual Shot = 552
+ OnSlaught = 702

I'm just guessing though.

dirty fighting halves your range. that's the reason everyone forgets about it. especially marksmen, cause it's on tricks.

[CumeriTarenes]

I don't think he used dirty fighting. I was far away from the fort and he stood on the wall when he hit me first time. Cannot believe that it was 12,5 meters + maybe 15% passive range. It was a bigger distance

[ncvr]

Off with their heads!!(+15% dmg) and Bless Weapon(+25% dmg) could also have been involved.

That adds to a total of an additional +40% dmg. +80% in total with recharged arrows.
+150 with Onslaught.
A total of +45 Dex from Manuever(5) and Feline Dexterity(5).

[fluffy_muffin]

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A total of +45 Dex from Manuever(5)
No way. You cant use it with short bow. And if you cast it with long bow it will gone when you change bow.

[ncvr]

No way. You cant use it with short bow. And if you cast it with long bow it will gone when you change bow.
It works with Thirst for Blood with Barbarians and the 2nd weapon spells for warrior weapons.

[amade]

No way. You cant use it with short bow. And if you cast it with long bow it will gone when you change bow.

This is correct, unfortunately. You can't use buffs from one bow discipline and use it with a bow from the other discipline. They get cancelled out.

[fluffy_muffin]

It works with Thirst for Blood with Barbarians and the 2nd weapon spells for warrior weapons.

Well i have bow in my hand... no i am not warrior :D

[ChadMC]

Off with their heads!!(+15% dmg) and Bless Weapon(+25% dmg) could also have been involved.

That adds to a total of an additional +40% dmg. +80% in total with recharged arrows.
+150 with Onslaught.
A total of +45 Dex from Manuever(5) and Feline Dexterity(5).

Yup, that could be true too.
Although Recharged Arrows isn't anywhere close to 40% of your total damage. It's only 40% extra arrow damage.

[DemonMonger]

Yesterday I were hit by two dual shoots from a red marks.

He hit me for 718 and 825 damage. That looks a bit too much for 110 mana cost.


The marks was lvl 50, I am lvl 48. I had no protection buffs on me and no death sentece, sudden strike or something like that.

Ok, he is a marks, so he can have recharged arrow lvl 5 and the damage passive lvl 5. But I never saw that high damage before from dual shoot.
Here is my dual shot photo.. I am a hunter lvl 50...
What you have to consider when you see high damages is that the bows have a base damage of (at lvl 50)
(100-131) + arrows 50 on average + (9-15) per + (9-11) +(2-5) = 185-215 * 120% + 150
= an optimal damage of 623
but add buffs onslaught +150 dirty fighting +30% +head of pack 75 damage
= an optimal damage of 1034 per dual shot....
but there is more! with the new armor add ons... if you are hit by something you are weak against you get - bonus % so damages can increase dramatically...

Not many people listen when i tell them this.... maybe more will listen when they see more of my pictures....

Yup, that could be true too.
Although Recharged Arrows isn't anywhere close to 40% of your total damage. It's only 40% extra arrow damage.

ok lets do the marksman math...
the bows have a base damage of (at lvl 50)
(100-131) + arrows 50 on average + (9-15) per + (9-11) +(2-5) = 185-215 * 120% +15% + 150
= an optimal damage of 716.45
but add buffs onslaught +150 dirty fighting +30% +recharged arrows 40% arrow damage (50avg)
= an optimal damage of 1151 per dual shot....

the figures above do not include mage enchant buffs.... but if you think dual shot is powerful now... wait until you see the next update!

The log could *possibly* still be bugged, and the death sentence did not show.

Like what possibly happened when Vengala cast serpeant bite on byteme for 102 dmg/tick.



A hunter's dmg with Dual shot and base attack is different to that of a marks. Marksmen have base attack dmg boosting spells(recharged arrows, +40% dmg). He could also possibly have had maxed longbows with maneuvar, and as I said before hidden death sentence and maybe onslaught(Blunt dmg +150).

Remember the higher a persons normal attack .. the higher their dual will be.

Look at my image.... i shot a basic shot first then dual shot... if i had onslaught then my first shot would have the bonus damage not the second..

Now imagine +50% range attack with the new damage totals that you are aware of... 1700 damage dual shots are possible if everything is perfect...

There are more wonderful high damage secrets out there, but if you are not ignis.. I am not telling you..

It was a fort war.

The hit with 718 dmg hit me from the wall. I was behind the fort, in range more than 20. I was not death sentenced. The agressor stood allone on the wall.


The second hit with 825 damage was in front of the fort, there were many people around.

So yes, maybe he was buffed...maybe he had max dex passive, manuever lvl 5, recharged arrow lvl 5, damage passive lvl 5, +dex from conju, Xymerald short bow range 25 medium, off with their head, onslaught....


As you can see on one screenshoot his normal shoot is very high. In normal cases I am hit with this damage by slow long bows. But maybe he switched the bow, I dunno

Just by looking at this guys normal shot.. his basic optimal dual shot non buffed is
759 damage... without recharged
814 damage ... with recharged....
964 damage .. with onslaught....
*** to find basic optimal dual take this average normal attack
multiply by 1.20 then add the result to the base normal attack + 150 damage

this does not include mage buffs or dirty fighting...

[fluffy_muffin]

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There are more wonderful high damage secrets out there, but if you are not ignis.. I am not telling you..

Like GIMP?

[CumeriTarenes]

I tested a bit around with dual shoot.

I am a lvl 48 marks. I had recharged arrows lvl 5, passive damage bonus 10% and dex passive +15

I used a lvl 47 fast range 25 short bow and did about 440 damage to a ghost of slaughter (it is lvl 37 I think)

I know that the test would be better with a range 20 medium bow but I don't have one.