A serious problem for conjurers.... [Archive]

GIGO305

02-12-2008, 10:49 PM

TY DMC you are the only person that understands why conjus hate their job i can heal a lvl 15 soooo much that he kills an aprentise but if i dont do at least 500-700 DMG i wont get any xp and if i do more than 1/4 damage i get most of the XP teaching conjus that the more you fight the more you get and honestly its not fun being a MEDIC but if it gave more RP and XP healing just a liltle bit ill definately heal more than when i see ppl dying or zarkit got stolen

ByteMe

02-12-2008, 10:49 PM

GIGO305

02-12-2008, 10:52 PM

I've noticed that it is VERY random on when you get xp and when you don't. Sometimes I get xp when I cast regen on someone running by and many seconds later they make a kill and other times I heal and mana them throughout the entire fight and nothing.

yea that happens for some reason but i dont want to steal XP i want to earn it fair thats why some ppl dont level with me unless i give them mana, makes me feal bad about my self as if im expected to do this and not deny it and newbie conjus have been prostituting them selvs by coming to WZ and no body says anything because all they do is heal and mana as if selling them selvs and not getting anything in return i think everyone should make at least 1 conju to see how its like

DemonMonger

02-12-2008, 11:14 PM

yea... i fought 25 aquantis in a row... the conjurers got 0 xp for assisting me......

GIGO305

02-12-2008, 11:17 PM

make them fight for it and watch how they will rob you 3/4 the XP this is way out of balance no one levels with me because i fight but dont have mana comunion yet :crying1:

misaccc

02-12-2008, 11:20 PM

About rp...ask valour how to get TONS of rp...that is not a problem for conjus...
I aprove warjurers when training tho...

GIGO305

02-12-2008, 11:25 PM

About rp...ask valour how to get TONS of rp...that is not a problem for conjus...
I aprove warjurers when training tho...

BS thats only once out of 300 times i heard that if like 5 conjus are using greater healing and mana comunion next to eachother heal and buff most of the time but hurt a few they get a cuple of 1s and 2s those guys just do that sooo much they get maybe 100 every 24hours of playing but for hunts thats useless i make 100 rp every normal hunt for a warju now healing conjus dont get that much benefit except that they will try to keep you alive

GIGO305

02-12-2008, 11:27 PM

i would realy like to think everyone that voted yes because its about time i see ppl understanding conjus it just took a nonconju to show it

TNX GUYS ESPESIALY DMC! :beerchug:

El_Naso

02-12-2008, 11:31 PM

Auras still give a lot of exp.

Let´s take a look at the problem: a mob has 1800 hp; someone has to make 1800 dmg to kill the mob; a conjurer has to buff the guy twice to get half contribution (900 + 900 = 1800) so theoretically the conjurer would get 50% of the exp the mob gives.

However the guy that kills the mob doesen´t do exactly 1800 damage to kill it, he does some more. Add to that the amount of life the guy lost, wich counts as damage dealt. If you are supporting a barb you can expect both numbers to increase drastically.

With half of the xp bar, as a level 38 conjurer with lvl 4 buffs, lvl 4 mana comunion and lvl 5 heals including lvl 5 greater healing I was able to get to 39 in about two hours supporting a lvl 45-49 party at melekety beach. make your own conclusions.

yea... i fought 25 aquantis in a row... the conjurers got 0 xp for assisting me......

Conjurers are capable of supporting a large amount of people. Helping just one is not wrong but somewhat dull.

Not getting any exp at all however... that´s just plain weired. Never happened to me.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/341/screenshot2008021011255tl3.th.jpg (http://img225.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot2008021011255tl3.jpg)

Miriya_PS

02-12-2008, 11:33 PM

It happens to me all the time. I am lvling and someone ask me to go together, when we start killing the other player complains, because I don't heal or don't give him enough mana.

Some people don't beliebe me when I explain there's an error and I have to hit a lot first, then support him, if I want to get some XP.

I think Programmers should fix this, because I want to be a Support Conjurer, and I can't change my spells every time I decide to go to war, then change them back when I have to lvl.

And I want to lvl as a Support Conjurer, it used to be the fastest way to lvl and it also was A LOT OF FUN to share lvling with others.

misaccc

02-12-2008, 11:41 PM

Dude....i cant say how much rp val gets but i asure you its alot more then 100 per day....its more like per hour(val you basterd!xD)

DemonMonger

02-12-2008, 11:51 PM

Auras still give a lot of exp.

Let´s take a look at the problem: a mob has 1800 hp; someone has to make 1800 dmg to kill the mob; a conjurer has to buff the guy twice to get half contribution (900 + 900 = 1800) so theoretically the conjurer would get 50% of the exp the mob gives.

However the guy that kills the mob doesen´t do exactly 1800 damage to kill it, he does some more. Add to that the amount of life the guy lost, wich counts as damage dealt. If you are supporting a barb you can expect both numbers to increase drastically.

With half of the xp bar, as a level 38 conjurer with lvl 4 buffs, lvl 4 mana comunion and lvl 5 heals including lvl 5 greater healing I was able to get to 39 in about two hours supporting a lvl 45-49 party at melekety beach. make your own conclusions.

Conjurers are capable of supporting a large amount of people. Helping just one is not wrong but somewhat dull.

Not getting any exp at all however... that´s just plain weired. Never happened to me.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/341/screenshot2008021011255tl3.th.jpg (http://img225.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot2008021011255tl3.jpg)
still... there are not always alot of people around to support.... try healing me... and see if you get xp..

adrianpf

02-13-2008, 12:37 AM

I already talked about this in Inner Balance forum, but there are sooooo much topics to talk about that it hasn't got a high priority. Maybe for next stage we will discuss about fixing it, but this is already acknowledged as a problem.

The problem is in the participation duration of buffs. New numbers must be discussed, I hope that we do this soon.

Meanwhile, be patient, I understand you! :thumb:

putkonen

02-13-2008, 12:58 AM

I noticed when i buff someone and after that i cast ambitious sacrifice i dont get exp. Maybe it's just coincidence i dont know. But many times i get no exp when healing or buffing.

GIGO305

02-13-2008, 01:38 AM

Dude....i cant say how much rp val gets but i asure you its alot more then 100 per day....its more like per hour(val you basterd!xD)

i tought le bitche estope playing i havent heard her scream vida in a long ass time, shes a person i look foward to healing she chases of lvl 50s and i get there in time to steal some RP, o yea and val leaving explains y syrtis lost alot of strategy comon the conjus werent conplaining that much why were the other ppl crying for, DMC=12 rp :dance: Vcega=22 red star=5 frikin archers hit u alot

Pizdzius

02-13-2008, 03:37 AM

never happened to me, as well. Looking at the conversation it seems like it's a char bug, not random event on random days

mann2411

02-13-2008, 08:06 AM

it would be nice if ngd would just tell us if this is a bug that their a working on right now or that this is the way conjurers are meant to be so conjurers can become warjurers no offence to ngd
if conjurers wanna be warjurers during training i say let em

misaccc

02-13-2008, 08:30 AM

Val=Valour not Valorius....

daehenob

02-13-2008, 09:15 AM

Happens to me as well. But it goes in cycles. Sometimes I'll get XP for most kills, sometimes I don't.

But seriously, leveling a conjurer used to be a lot more fun...

ncvr

02-13-2008, 09:18 AM

Strange. I get plenty of credit with mana comm, even in a group of 2 or 3.

LuthienNenharma

02-13-2008, 11:25 AM

Sure, I noticed that I dont get XP or RP very often.
I am casting a divine intervention (lvl 5), 2-4 heals (lvl 5) and give 2-4 mana (lvl 3).
So I spent many attention in one player. When the enemy is dead I see 0rp or max 4rp(but not very often).

Because of that I stopped playing my Conjurer a few months for now and I will return when something changed in the system.
I love playing a Conjurer, it is the most awesome class in this game, but I want something for my support. It is "work".

ncvr

02-13-2008, 12:05 PM

Well back at lvl 38 at Rasius I used lvl 4 buffs, and lvl 5 mana comm and it was only slightly slower than when I just killed mobs.

makarios68

02-13-2008, 12:41 PM

Well i was thinking of starting a healer..

Think i'll wait till these probs get resolved...

-Edge-

02-13-2008, 12:59 PM

A few days ago I read a post about people saying that conjurers do not heal them when they are doing xp. Maybe this is a reason why....
For the past 2 months when anyone has healed me in xp battle, they have wasted time effort and mana, and they get 0 xp no matter how much they heal me...

A picture is worth 1000 words...
Thats strange, because on my conjurer I can heal someone a higher lvl and lower lvl than me and I will get exp,the mob they fight hasto be at least very easy for them.

Nikor

02-13-2008, 01:13 PM

A picture is worth 1000 words...

The problem I see in this picture is that the conju has Heal Ally on level 4 and Regenerate Ally also gives only 22 HP, so it's on level 2. I think that just doesn't count enough for the conju to get XP while healing a high level player killing high level mobs. I have them both on level 5 and I always get something after healing, which is why, even as a conju, I voted "no" here.

NightTwix

02-13-2008, 06:56 PM

Shouldnt any buff or debuff cause the equivalent damage according to the spelllevel?
lvl5 spell 900dmg, lvl4 spell 600dmg, .... (or something like that)

I noticed that conjurers still get xp for auras, but most(?) dont get any for heal ally.
I also noticed that you dont get any rp for casting a lvl5 Death Sentence.

Maybe there are some buffs that doesnt count as damage, for some reason...

adrianpf

02-13-2008, 07:10 PM

The problem resides in how much lasts the duration of the participation of that buff. This numbers must be re-calculated.

Regards.

Valour

02-13-2008, 07:53 PM

Want to test that with me?

This is stupid, I have got 100k exp in less than an hour healing people there earlier....

That heal was lvl 2, which is pathetic and it looks like he was killed over a long time with you as the only one damaging it, he obviously ran off leaving that lvl 2 heal on you...

Valour

02-13-2008, 08:01 PM

The rp for conjurers who support others is based on the dependancy for health and mana and protection.

I don't expect rp when I cast spells like DI, but i'm sure if it is casted on someone who is cancelling out the effect of something like MoD it will get you 1 rp when they kill someone.

-Edge-

02-13-2008, 08:02 PM

The problem resides in how much lasts the duration of the participation of that buff. This numbers must be re-calculated.

Regards.
So your saying that it seems that some spells durations are messed up? What I see ATM is just pure randomness.

Godofsilver

02-13-2008, 08:29 PM

It's ironic how that works, seeing as casting deflecting barrier on my knight sometimes gives me xp :superpusso:

Conjurers NEED xp for healing :wiggle14:

adrianpf

02-13-2008, 08:32 PM

So your saying that it seems that some spells durations are messed up? What I see ATM is just pure randomness.

It's not randomness. Just heal someone while he is killing some mob. And you'll get XP. Heal someone before he kills some mob, and maybe you wont.

The last buff you use on an ally stays for a certain amount of time, and instant buffs like cures arent lasting as they did before.

Want XP being a Conjurer? Use Enchantments in 19.

Regards!

-Edge-

02-13-2008, 08:44 PM

Want XP being a Conjurer? Use Enchantments in 19.

Regards!
If you do that you will be exhausted from casting single buffs all the time, and even then you won't make exp on a scale other people do from damage.

adrianpf

02-13-2008, 08:50 PM

If you do that you will be exhausted from casting single buffs all the time, and even then you won't make exp on a scale other people do from damage.

There you got to the point :smile:

For a Conjurer to get the same amount of XP as in dealing damage, buffs contribution must last a little more, so half of them don't get wasted while the ally is killing a mob. Their contribution lasts very little by now.

Regards!

GIGO305

02-13-2008, 09:07 PM

Val=Valour not Valorius....

ooooh but still what happened to val thatway---> :wiggle14: she quit?

GIGO305

02-13-2008, 09:12 PM

The problem I see in this picture is that the conju has Heal Ally on level 4 and Regenerate Ally also gives only 22 HP, so it's on level 2. I think that just doesn't count enough for the conju to get XP while healing a high level player killing high level mobs. I have them both on level 5 and I always get something after healing, which is why, even as a conju, I voted "no" here.

yea but ppl insist that as a conju all you do is heal and mana but they wont get hurt alot and ask for alot of mana and just that doesnt give xp and when i do hit they ask me to leave since i steal most xp, that is very unbalanced unless ngd wants us to be ofensive

p.s i hate you traitor :mad:

GIGO305

02-13-2008, 09:16 PM

There you got to the point :smile:

For a Conjurer to get the same amount of XP as in dealing damage, buffs contribution must last a little more, so half of them don't get wasted while the ally is killing a mob. Their contribution lasts very little by now.

Regards!

you make it sound easy from this kind of experience:

heal someone they kill mob you get liltle xp but that hardly works and ppl see it as trying to steal xp
better example: someone is fighting a mob i heal once and get 20xp they acuse me of stealing xp for doing a small favor now if i healed more thance once or casted another spell soon after i wouldnt get any xp

Miriya_PS

02-13-2008, 10:07 PM

you make it sound easy from this kind of experience:

heal someone they kill mob you get liltle xp but that hardly works and ppl see it as trying to steal xp
better example: someone is fighting a mob i heal once and get 20xp they acuse me of stealing xp for doing a small favor now if i healed more thance once or casted another spell soon after i wouldnt get any xp

When I heal someone they almost every time say "thanks" (I really don't need this, but it is nice of them). Some other times they say nothing and this is also good for me.

But there are some players that get mad or even insult me because of healing, or because we accidentally attack the same monster. In those cases my words are simple:
-You don't want me to help? I write down your name, I WILL NEVER HELP YOU AGAIN!

I actually have this list but I don't need it, I remember those who want to play alone and I let them play alone ALWAYS (it is funny to see them asking for mana or health in wars, and it is more fun watch them die :devil: )

PS: Do not misunderstand, If someone ask me politely to leave him lvl alone, or If someone ask me not to heal him, I respect that. But some player don't have manners, they just shout "Get Out!" or "that was MY monster!".

GIGO305

02-13-2008, 10:14 PM

When I heal someone they almost every time say "thanks" (I really don't need this, but it is nice of them). Some other times they say nothing and this is also good for me.

But there are some players that get mad or even insult me because of healing, or because we accidentally attack the same monster. In those cases my words are simple:
-You don't want me to help? I write down your name, I WILL NEVER HELP YOU AGAIN!

I actually have this list but I don't need it, I remember those who want to play alone and I let them play alone ALWAYS (it is funny to see them asking for mana or health in wars, and it is more funny watch them die :devil: )

PS: Do not misunderstand, If someone ask me politely to leave him lvl alone, or If someone ask me not to heal him, I respect that. But some player don't have manners, they just shout "Get Out!" or "that was MY monster!".

i hate it when ppl do that gethealed but complain for me they act like 7year olds now the other ones lonely levelers are the ones that get to lvl 50 in 2months and dont know what to do next i realy dont like leveling with them they ignore me completely and go to diferent mobs and if i start atking it they go killing anotherone so they get more xp, not very nice ppl:wiggle14:

ByteMe

02-13-2008, 10:18 PM

The only class I own't heal without asking is a warlock. Often they are timing a soulkeeper to damage the creature and if I heal them then they do little or no damage.

Miriya, I'm the same as you when it comes to those that complain about getting heals, never again. I will say most are VERY thankful since they realize the benifits.

Comp

02-13-2008, 10:38 PM

When I heal someone they almost every time say "thanks" (I really don't need this, but it is nice of them). Some other times they say nothing and this is also good for me.

But there are some players that get mad or even insult me because of healing, or because we accidentally attack the same monster. In those cases my words are simple:
-You don't want me to help? I write down your name, I WILL NEVER HELP YOU AGAIN!

I actually have this list but I don't need it, I remember those who want to play alone and I let them play alone ALWAYS (it is funny to see them asking for mana or health in wars, and it is more fun watch them die :devil: )

PS: Do not misunderstand, If someone ask me politely to leave him lvl alone, or If someone ask me not to heal him, I respect that. But some player don't have manners, they just shout "Get Out!" or "that was MY monster!".

I'll always welcome the heal, rez, and extra mana - if you ever need someone to level with let me know. I'm lvl 50 but will always help out a realm-mate :)

Valour

02-13-2008, 11:32 PM

True,

I wouldn't carry on playing my conjurer if I got no thanks and it was just demands...

It annoys me when people constantly shout MANA!!!!! or VIDAAAAAAAA!!!!!! :/ when you are confused or you just have your heals running at a constant rate. Can get annoying.

Angelwinged_Devil

02-14-2008, 12:49 PM

The only class I own't heal without asking is a warlock. Often they are timing a soulkeeper to damage the creature and if I heal them then they do little or no damage.

I LOVE YOU

Valour

02-14-2008, 06:40 PM

I LOVE YOU

LOL.

Be Angels valentine? :O

DemonMonger

02-14-2008, 06:42 PM

:mf_hide: :mf_hide: :mf_hide:

ncvr

02-15-2008, 05:42 AM

OMG DM's started spamming again.

:wiggle14:

Angelwinged_Devil

02-15-2008, 12:54 PM

LOL.

Be Angels valentine? :O
Sorry, Luthien was already my valentine XD.

But there are so many times where I've been healed WHILE I was casting soulkeeper, it's extremly annoying wasting sk to do 163 damage

LuthienNenharma

02-15-2008, 01:01 PM

Today I did this screenshots in a fortwar. I got 7rp.

PICTURE 1 (http://i25.tinypic.com/1jukau.jpg),PICTURE 2 (http://i26.tinypic.com/6ghfky.jpg)

It is my intention to show that you dont get enough rp for your work. With my Warlock I can get 7rp with one or two kills. I dont have to spent so much mana for it.
Where is the balance? The conjurer is an awesome class, especially when you play this char in the support way, but it has to be more attractive.

Or am I the only Conjurer who think that a conjurer doesnt get enough rp?

daresbalat

02-15-2008, 01:35 PM

Well, good job noone cares about RP eh? ;)

ByteMe

02-15-2008, 04:05 PM

Well, good job noone cares about RP eh? ;)

No I think we all care about RP, it's just not the only reason most of us play this game.

What level are your spells? Always remember that as a conjurer you are the most valuable player on the field even if you aren't rewarded with RP like you should be.

LuthienNenharma

02-15-2008, 04:17 PM

synergy bond lvl 3
mana communion lvl 4
heal ally lvl 5
divine intervention lvl 5
greater healing lvl 5
resurrect lvl 3

Hm.. I hope you will not understand me wrong. I only want to say that the rp system is not balanced for a conjurer. You are using much mana and get less rp.

ncvr

02-16-2008, 03:12 AM

I recently made a conjuror, and I came to the conclusion that basic heals don't give rp. Only buffs, mana, and auras do.

Nikor

02-16-2008, 09:31 AM

Or am I the only Conjurer who think that a conjurer doesnt get enough rp?

I'm sure you're not and I hate to disagree with you. I noticed that I got a lot of RP today. I recently got into the ranking, so I'll be able to show what I mean. At the moment I have 18.226 RP. That's the standing before updating to what I got today. I will post the new figure as soon as I've seen it.

I would like to state that this has been a very good day, way above average, but the point is that I want to show what a conjurer can do in a single day.

I have stated in another post that I don't really care about RP, and that's still true. A good battle, even if you lose it in the end, is worth a lot more than some points that don't really mean anything.

EDIT: corrected some typos, it's kinda late (or early?) here.

Valour

02-16-2008, 12:31 PM

I'm sure you're not and I hate to disagree with you. I noticed that I got a lot of RP today. I recently got into the ranking, so I'll be able to show what I mean. At the moment I have 18.226 RP. That's the standing before updating to what I got today. I will post the new figure as soon as I've seen it.

I would like to state that this has been a very good day, way above average, but the point is that I want to show what a conjurer can do in a single day.

I have stated in another post that I don't really care about RP, and that's still true. A good battle, even if you lose it in the end, is worth a lot more than some points that don't really mean anything.

EDIT: corrected some typos, it's kinda late (or early?) here.

I will gather rp today, I will tell you what I get.

There is no problem with getting rps as a conjurer. I am lvl 47 and pretty high up in the ranks.

I agree with you Lajeja, you are a good enemy conjurer.

Nikor

02-16-2008, 03:11 PM

I recently got into the ranking, so I'll be able to show what I mean. At the moment I have 18.226 RP. That's the standing before updating to what I got today. I will post the new figure as soon as I've seen it.

Ok, the ranking has been refreshed now and I'm kinda surprised myself. I'll have to say that I played for a very long time yesterday, much longer than usual. And there have been a lot of very good wars for Syrtis. And there have been few good Syrtis conjurers online most of the time, so I was able to leech more RP from you guys :smile:. This has to be way above my average, otherwise I would have been in the ranking for a long time now. But this is not about what's my average, it's about what's possible.

So, enough of the talk. I had 18.226 RP yesterday. Now I have 19.256 RP. That means that I made exactly 1.030 RP yesterday. Yes, that's over a thousand. No more comments, I think that figure speaks for itself.

octopus

02-16-2008, 05:12 PM

So, enough of the talk. I had 18.226 RP yesterday. Now I have 19.256 RP. That means that I made exactly 1.030 RP yesterday. Yes, that's over a thousand. No more comments, I think that figure speaks for itself.

The original question is about XP, not RP. I would agree that conjurers get a decent amount of RP for doing a support role. However, it is very, very difficult to get a good amount of XP in this role. Only spells cast after a fight starts and before it ends count... so the heals you do after a fight, or heals and buffs you do before a fight don't usually get you any XP. If you're leveling with hard-hitters that kill fast, you'll likely get 0 XP on most mobs.

adrianpf

02-16-2008, 05:20 PM

The original question is about XP, not RP. I would agree that conjurers get a decent amount of RP for doing a support role. However, it is very, very difficult to get a good amount of XP in this role. Only spells cast after a fight starts and before it ends count... so the heals you do after a fight, or heals and buffs you do before a fight don't usually get you any XP. If you're leveling with hard-hitters that kill fast, you'll likely get 0 XP on most mobs.

This is completely true, just want to state that to get RP you must participate only a 2% in the kill of an enemy, and to get XP from a mob, you have to participate the well-known 10%.

Regards.

DemonMonger

02-17-2008, 10:39 PM

This is completely true, just want to state that to get RP you must participate only a 2% in the kill of an enemy, and to get XP from a mob, you have to participate the well-known 10%.

Regards.
so maybe something can be done to fix this?

adrianpf

02-18-2008, 01:30 AM

so maybe something can be done to fix this?

To fix Support Conjurer grinding, buff participation should be checked, it's on NGD's todo list. We must be patient.

Regards.

grand_boo

04-13-2008, 11:18 PM

I agree with most of the above.

The only reason I feel healing needs extra xp/rp payoffs is that it has a negative impact on the gameplay.

As conjurors are quite capable of lvling solo, the other classes are a little slower, ie resting time. So they need a conj to group with right, however no one wants to be that conj because the xp is so terrible.

I actually lvled all the way from 26 - 28 by healing a group of 35s. It took me 3.5 hours to lvl to 27, and a little more to 28.

Healing is actually my favourite part of mmos and in regnum I feel it is really rewarding.

The other problem that I think needs addressing is that the party window refresh rate is unusable :(

Also I think it would be a great help if the buffs you put on people could be seen somewhere on your screen so you know when to top them up (i know that you can use material wall etc as reference).

Anywho - will watch this in the future

Thanks

LuthienNenharma

04-13-2008, 11:30 PM

Just give rp and xp for synergy bond (on lvl 3) again, it is one of my favourite spells and mana is better than health from time to time. I am tired of the conjurers who give me the buffs I dont need or the health I dont need, but I understand there acting.

Mh, I hope Ngd is thinking about it.

daehenob

04-14-2008, 02:27 AM

Honestly, I have stopped playing my conj altogether.

XP rewards plain suck, and now (some) people have started to trash-talk conjurers. BOO

octopus

04-14-2008, 06:38 AM

Honestly, I have stopped playing my conj altogether.

XP rewards plain suck, and now (some) people have started to trash-talk conjurers. BOO

I know what you mean. I used to play 15+ hours a week, sometimes a lot more. Now I play maybe 1 hour a week, and even that is dwindling.

Support conjurers are pretty much fucked right now. One Confuse spell, and we're helpless. Yet support conjurers are the only ones useful in war. I've been asking for simple tweaks for conjurers for months and months (like turning off the "Regen notification spam" in the battle logs) but NGD hasn't responded. Oh well, I stopped playing regularly, and in turn I stopped buying Ximerin.

Go ahead though NGD, continue improving only the hunter class. Those other 5 classes are just a waste anyway so don't fix their spells. Don't bother fixing the broken guard AI that allows one person to easily take a castle alone. Don't bother fixing the fort door bugs. Just concentrated on hunters and hunting. Maybe someone else will want to buy your Ximerin instead of me.

Static_Fang

04-14-2008, 07:16 AM

I know what you mean. I used to play 15+ hours a week, sometimes a lot more. Now I play maybe 1 hour a week, and even that is dwindling.

Support conjurers are pretty much fucked right now. One Confuse spell, and we're helpless. Yet support conjurers are the only ones useful in war. I've been asking for simple tweaks for conjurers for months and months (like turning off the "Regen notification spam" in the battle logs) but NGD hasn't responded. Oh well, I stopped playing regularly, and in turn I stopped buying Ximerin.

Go ahead though NGD, continue improving only the hunter class. Those other 5 classes are just a waste anyway so don't fix their spells. Don't bother fixing the broken guard AI that allows one person to easily take a castle alone. Don't bother fixing the fort door bugs. Just concentrated on hunters and hunting. Maybe someone else will want to buy your Ximerin instead of me.

I dislike your attitude towards NGD, that is all i have to say to you...

At the topic, We just need to stick with it for time, If in war confuse takes you down, make archers a primary target, if a barb can hit 3-4k with SC, target them. JUST like we all do with Warlocks (and conjurers too)

Angelwinged_Devil

04-14-2008, 07:45 AM

fluffy_muffin

04-14-2008, 08:04 AM

I think I know why it's hard to make a decent rewarding system. It would make too many warjurers just run around leeching xp/rp from levelling players, casting some level one spell which doesn't really help teh player move on to the next and cast on him too.

Anyway maybe the next class I should level should be a conjurer and not a hunter :o
My conj i only 24 but i am the only conj without zarkit @ beach save... so i get around 80-100 xp per mob (well not every mob) + loot and sometime drops + gifts from lvling ppl. So it is not bad. Yes almost all my spells are on cooldown :D

Valour

04-14-2008, 01:12 PM

I levelled to 50 by healing.

47-50 healing took me three days... You should also keep some mental skills on you.

Some healing, mana or mana communion and mental is just awesome for levelling.

magnet

04-14-2008, 01:18 PM

I levelled to 50 by healing.

47-50 healing took me three days... You should also keep some mental skills on you.

Some healing, mana or mana communion and mental is just awesome for levelling.

You can't compare 47-50 when you have reasonably big group of players of high level to heal/buff, and who know how to exp, and levels 15-47. That's just not the same at all.

_dracus_

04-14-2008, 02:20 PM

I know that in Syrtis if you wanna level fast from lvl 30 to 40 you just have to go to Spider Beach. It's XP on steroid with huge group bonus.

NeZZeR

04-14-2008, 03:08 PM

CumeriTarenes

04-14-2008, 03:20 PM

Yeah something is wrong ,I mean wasen't the number of health points you give to someone act (in xp way) as damage?

Like if I heal 100hp on someone who is hitting someting I should get a part of the xp if I've "done" over 10% of all damage.

It works like this:

The Reward system (Loot, XP & RP) is measured by the following factors:

Damage dealt
Damage resisted
Friendly spell points (Buff reward points)
and the Healing spells work as Friendly spell points.

The reward a buff should obtain is equiparable to the following...
Level 1: 100 damage points
Level 2: 250 damage points
Level 3: 500 damage points
Level 4: 750 damage points
Level 5: 1000 damage points

ie. A healer contributes in a battle with 1000 damage points by using a Heal Ally (5 level) with a warrior before or during combat.

Resisting the creature damage counts as reward points. So a character that was hit several times by a creature participates in the combat.

Actually the Friendly spell points are not computed correctly and will be fixed soon.

http://www.regnumonline.com.ar/forum/showpost.php?p=69001&postcount=6

makarios68

04-14-2008, 04:20 PM

I would like to take my healer to the wz with a full support set up and be able to give support in fights, or lvl up, with the same configuration.

As things are, i must take a trip into town and reset skills to get decent xp, then do the same again to provide good support in fights.

With every other class, i can lvl up and play a useful role in fights - with the same set up.

As a support healer, this is not the case.

Apart from the annoyance caused by having to keep swapping configs, it is also very risky for a support healer with little/no attack to have to keep dashing through the wz to go to town and reset.

As for this:

Go ahead though NGD, continue improving only the hunter class. Those other 5 classes are just a waste anyway so don't fix their spells. Don't bother fixing the broken guard AI that allows one person to easily take a castle alone. Don't bother fixing the fort door bugs. Just concentrated on hunters and hunting. Maybe someone else will want to buy your Ximerin instead of me.

This kind of poison is why several players left the PERL clan.

The same bitter whining over and over.........

daehenob

04-14-2008, 06:04 PM

makarios68,

Remind me again why is it /both/ your mains are hunters? ;D

Thought so.

makarios68

04-14-2008, 06:10 PM

makarios68,

Remind me again why is it /both/ your mains are hunters? ;D

Thought so.

What on Earth is this supposed to mean?

daehenob

04-14-2008, 06:31 PM

makarios68

04-14-2008, 06:36 PM

makarios68,

It means what it means: instead of trying a different class, you stuck with a hunter.

Not everyone is out to get you, just pointing out the facts as I see them (for all I know, you could have a red knight named Tinkerbell). :/

(Kinda) back on-topic: I am taking a break from RO completely for an indeterminate amount of time. Sheesh, everyone take a chill pill. *gulp*

You should think before you make brain-farts like this.

I have played 5 different classes all at high level.

And i started my hunter when they were the weakest class in Regnum, with broken spells and pets that didn't work.

And i'm still not sure what your point actually is, not that i really care anyway....

CumeriTarenes

04-14-2008, 06:37 PM

you play a hunter because you have most fun with it...all other 4 classes are not so much fun to play to you...

octopus

04-14-2008, 06:47 PM

Go ahead though NGD, continue improving only the hunter class. Those other 5 classes are just a waste anyway so don't fix their spells. Don't bother fixing the broken guard AI that allows one person to easily take a castle alone. Don't bother fixing the fort door bugs. Just concentrated on hunters and hunting. Maybe someone else will want to buy your Ximerin instead of me.

This kind of poison is why several players left the PERL clan.

The same bitter whining over and over.........

Comp told me that the main reason you and Comp left PERL was to start your Hunter-Only clan. None of my complaints were directed at you two, only at the way NGD messed up game balance. Of COURSE you call my requests to fix the game "whining," because with it broken as it is, it benefits your hunter class.

So it's whining to ask NGD to fix the castle guards? I would call it a suggestion to fix the broken game. When is the last time you have seen an actual war at a CASTLE? I haven't seen one in months. The only time castles get taken is when one person or a tiny group happen to be passing by and take it. I can easily take a castle or fort by myself with either my conjurer or warlock because the outside guards ignore me. It gets so laggy with 100 brain-dead guards running around doing nothing that most people can hardly even move near Alsius castle.

Is it whining to ask NGD to fix the fort doors? Over half the time I participate in fort wars, the door is bugged. Either it looks like it is there but it isn't, making me think I'm safe in my fort when in fact the enemies can run right in, or the door is gone but looks like it is there, not allowing me into my own castle.

Most of the time when I log in, I see one of two scenarios. Either there are 750+ people online making the spell lag horrible, or there will be less people online, but no fort wars going on... just hunting parties.

sathilda

04-14-2008, 08:23 PM

To stay ontopic...

When i came back, at lvl 10, took me a long time to make a decision... but as it is currently full support conjurers don't earn XP for about 50% of the number of mobs they helped to kill...

So what happens... conjurers have to use a warju setup to level in WZ until 44-45 ; because currently only areas bring the xp conjurers should earn...

So what happens... we've more warjurers on fort wars than full support conjurers. And i don't see myself other as a full support conj if i want to make one again. If i wanna hit directly mobs, a warlock is way more appropriate indeed.

And people who thinks that playing a full support conjurer is just pure chillin' out.... you dunno what you're speaking about. Let's give them the XP they deserve...

daehenob

04-14-2008, 11:20 PM

++

There have been /fort fights/ where, as a conj working my ass off, I have received 0 RP. ZERO. At a fort fight. That's just ludicrous. True, I did not pick conjurer to get massive amounts of RP; it's a very necessary and self-satisfying job knowing your mates won because of you.

But this self-satisfaction only goes so far. It gets... frustrating at times. I don't get to pick the people I heal; if someone needs to be healed, I do it. Most of them take conjurers for granted. And cry and whine when they die. Oh well...

Good on you, Valour, and anyone else with the patience to level a conjurer to 50 nowadays. You have very helpful friends indeed to allow you to level up with them with a full support setup. :)

e30G

04-15-2008, 10:01 AM

That's strange you got 0 RP from playing support in fort wars. I usually get a lot (4-8 per kill on average). I noticed I tend to get more if I used a spell that actually helped (example casting DI on a rushing barb who kills a warlock on MoD).

But XP seems to be a different story. XP is a lot less than it used to.

Valour

04-15-2008, 11:45 AM

You can't compare 47-50 when you have reasonably big group of players of high level to heal/buff, and who know how to exp, and levels 15-47. That's just not the same at all.

When have you leveled a conjurer to 50 by yourself?

Conjurer is by far the easiest to level and from a low level this is a great setup to use. I was leveling with my friends conjurer on my marksman and he was gaining exp at the same rate as me :thumb: We have done since a low level too...

magnet

04-15-2008, 11:48 AM

When have you leveled a conjurer to 50 by yourself?

Conjurer is by far the easiest to level and from a low level this is a great setup to use. I was leveling with my friends conjurer on my marksman and he was gaining exp at the same rate as me :thumb: We have done since a low level too...

I have leveled a conjurer to 35, I know pretty well that exping through buffs doesn't go half as fast as with a Zarkit unless you have a dedicated and large group of expers, thanks. And such a group does NOT exist in the safe zone unless they're already experienced players.

Valour

04-15-2008, 11:50 AM

magnet

04-15-2008, 11:52 AM

Using mana communion and greater healing combined with mental is a very fast method of levelling from 37 on...

Full support is also good, but you will have to overbuff people in order to get a good amount of exp. Enchantments are very tiring after a while.

Precisely, it's tiring to cast all those useless buffs, and you need a group anyway. And you'll be getting as much exp as them, most of the time a bit less, sometimes none. It's so much easier to have staff mastery+mana comm+zarkit and see mobs die before they even reach you.. If players team up with you you even get a share of their exp through mana comm.

The question is, does the Conjurer want to level as fast as his mates, or level as fast as he can? Because he can go much faster.

ncvr

04-15-2008, 11:56 AM

I have leveled a conjurer to 35, I know pretty well that exping through buffs doesn't go half as fast as with a Zarkit unless you have a dedicated and large group of expers, thanks. And such a group does NOT exist in the safe zone unless they're already experienced players.
Rasius Bay.

Unfortunately other realms do not have a place which displays how overpopulated they are :p