Knight weapon choose

[DkySven]

I'm very much doubting about which weapon to choose. I can (and want) to use only 1 weapon discipline. Which weapon is good for which playing style, and if I choose a weapon, should I max the discipline for the final area-spell or use the points for trip?

[Boger]

I'm very much doubting about which weapon to choose. I can (and want) to use only 1 weapon discipline. Which weapon is good for which playing style, and if I choose a weapon, should I max the discipline for the final area-spell or use the points for trip?

Slashing for the biggest damage areal and directional. - playing style, AoO and rush in groups
Piercing for the range/balestra/ripost and last area spell (imho the best for warriors) - playing style rush in and make mages angry or stay at back and help your allies
Blunt is good due to mindsquasher, strenght passive and jawbreaker which combined with shieldbash can make a conjurer useless untill he dies.

And about trip... imho its no use to use trip on lvl5, level 2-3 feint and level 2-3 trip are enough

[misaccc]

yes but slashing is only good imo at lvl50 because you get the slow axe(maybe even 49 im not sure)...i do more damage with slow spear ripost then medium spped sword sc

[ncvr]

I saw a lvl 17 slow axe.

Anyway, IMO piercing is the best choice for knights. Ripost isn't as weak as some think, I've seen knights do regular 800 dmg unbuffed with it. Lightning Strike is an excellent spell, and spears have a good balance between spell dmg and base dmg.

[misaccc]

I saw a lvl 17 slow axe.

so ure saying i should use a lvl17 slow axe?:P

[ncvr]

No I was saying not all slow axes are lvl 50.

[misaccc]

Why is that so important to lvl40 knight?

[DkySven]

Thanks guys. I think I'll stick to spears for the last areaspell.

[BlooD]

Why only 1 weapon?

I use at least 2 all the time, now i ahve piercing and blunt, for me the weapon change its a must in warriors, never stick to one kind of weapons.

I kill a lot of people only because they dont wear a spear with themselves, even if you use slashing or blunt, always have a spear and the tree at 9 for balestra.

[Boger]

Why only 1 weapon?

I use at least 2 all the time, now i ahve piercing and blunt, for me the weapon change its a must in warriors, never stick to one kind of weapons.

I kill a lot of people only because they dont wear a spear with themselves, even if you use slashing or blunt, always have a spear and the tree at 9 for balestra.

exactly ;)

[DkySven]

I have enough points to get the strength and dexterity passives of blunt and slashing(so I also have disabling limb), but I don't have any more points to put in there since I need lvl 19 vanguard and shields. I'll buy a fast sword to cast disabling limb.

Maybe a good suggestion. Make 2 weapon slots. You can switch between them with S. For equipping any other weapon you'll have a casting time. I'll post this in the development forum.

I just saw the title of my thread. it should be weapon choice, not choose

[Boger]

I have enough points to get the strength and dexterity passives of blunt and slashing(so I also have disabling limb), but I don't have any more points to put in there since I need lvl 19 vanguard and shields. I'll buy a fast sword to cast disabling limb.

Maybe a good suggestion. Make 2 weapon slots. You can switch between them with S. For equipping any other weapon you'll have a casting time. I'll post this in the development forum.

Leave the dex passive at 1st level

[DkySven]

Of course! I know how important dexterity is for knights. In my lvl 50 setup I just can't use the discipline-points somewhere else.(of course I first need to get lvl 50)

[BlooD]

I have enough points to get the strength and dexterity passives of blunt and slashing(so I also have disabling limb), but I don't have any more points to put in there since I need lvl 19 vanguard and shields.

Maybe a good suggestion. Make 2 weapon slots. You can switch between them with S. For equipping any other weapon you'll have a casting time. I'll post this in the development forum.

Vanguard at 7, forget about AoO.

I have them at 11 with a lvl 47 knigth, vanguard only have AoO and stellar shield maybe the passives can be good but are not worth of putting it at 19.

Everybody knows how to beat a knigth with it, better use maxed shields with precise and the block passive.

Piercing 15, Blunt 15 its good until you get an slow axe, you can have your opponent there figthing with you for a lot of time with balestra and ribsbreaker. Mix it fith some feint and you will see its worth of it. Mindsquasher makes them run when it is succeded, dont let them go :P.

Remember the damage passives too, in piercing you have the spashing damage passive (20% resistance at lvl 5) and in blunt the piercing one.

Nowdays AoO its not worth of the points you put in it.

[Boger]

Nowdays AoO its not worth of the points you put in it.

You again with this crap? :P
AoO is way better and cheaper than a set of 'shield' enchants...
Thats a fact, get over it finnaly :P

[BlooD]

You again with this crap? :P
AoO is way better and cheaper than a set of 'shield' enchants...
Thats a fact, get over it finnaly :P

When you like i show you why you dont have to use AoO :p.

[Boger]

When you like i show you why you dont have to use AoO.

and you will make a chain of skills (counting 3-5) that will cost you 50% more mana than AoO and take you 3/4x more time, and supposingly they arent never all on because casting 4 skills in one on a fort war for a knight takes a DI or sth... lol

[DkySven]

I am using both shields and AoO and I stay alive very long in a green army with it(until AoO wears off) I've stone temple at lvl 5 instead of troll's skin because it takes no mana, ha sno casting time and constitution gives knock down resistance. Block and Precise block are really great to stay alive too. Both trees combined makes you very unkillable.

[BlooD]

and you will make a chain of skills (counting 3-5) that will cost you 50% more mana than AoO and take you 4x more time, and supposingly they arent never all on because casting 4 skills in one on a fort war for a knight takes a DI or sth... lol

No, precise block and caution. Around 300 mana and its way better than your shitty AoO.

And when it fades you cast them again.

Anyway for me its clear shields > vanguard.

[Boger]

No, precise block and caution. Around 300 mana and its way better than your shitty AoO.

And when it fades you cast them again.

Anyway for me its clear shields > vanguard.


yeah, caution... thats one big bshit... but nvm hehe, you know better, you have a lvl47 knight ^^

[DkySven]

Army of One is not shitty. When it's on guards hit me for 20-40. And with blocking; you can have bad luck. Since weapon changing is not really my style I prefer to have both trees maxed and be very hard to kill.

[misaccc]

Meh with shields you can almost be unkillable for 60sec...no attacking tho...and aoo alone is almost useless these days...tfb,etheral,imobilize spells...any class can counter it easily...
well the next update is all about knights so we will see what happens...

[magnet]

AoO without Shields is a waste.

Imho the debate is Shields + Area attack, or Shields + AoO and no area.

AoO with no blocks = Ethereal, SK, Vampire, or Mind Squasher and it's gone. At least with blocks (passive + precise block lv 5) you have a chance.

I played for a few days with AoO, and I didn't like it, it's the most overrated spell in the game :p. It's good but it's just one defense, can't really it solo except for PvPs.. Then again, I only play in big fights.

Even against Barbs most of them run when they see I block 3/4 of their hits and that I damage them with my attacks :p.

[BlooD]

yeah, caution... thats one big bshit... but nvm hehe, you know better, you have a lvl47 knight ^^

So AoO becomes useful in lvl 48-50?

Never imagined that. Anyway as Magnet saids the choose its between Vanguard an shield or shield and area.

I will continue with shield and area.

[Boger]

So AoO becomes useful in lvl 48-50?

Never imagined that. Anyway as Magnet saids the choose its between Vanguard an shield or shield and area.

I will continue with shield and area.

From when you listen to Magnet?
And I think you didnt actually understand my point in saying that "you are a lvl 47 knight", well nvm that.

[BlooD]

From when you listen to Magnet?
And I think you didnt actually understand my point in saying that "you are a lvl 47 knight", well nvm that.

wot?

I never listen to Magnet.....

I understanded your point, you think i have not enough experience because i am lvl 47, but i played this game for a year, i played more than one knigth, and since not long time ago shields are better than vanguard for me.

But i am a lvl 47 knigth and you and me will never finish a discussion where we agreed on something, so you keep with your vanguard and i will do it with my shields.

[magnet]

wot?

I never listen to Magnet.....

:eek: :( :crying1: :bangin:

[Boger]

wot?

I never listen to Magnet.....

I understanded your point, you think i have not enough experience because i am lvl 47, but i played this game for a year, i played more than one knigth, and since not long time ago shields are better than vanguard for me.

But i am a lvl 47 knigth and you and me will never finish a discussion where we agreed on something, so you keep with your vanguard and i will do it with my shields.

yeah, we never will agree man ^^
hmm... I got no point in like... making you think that vanguard is better than shields, I just know it, many tests, pains in making the correct builds showed me that making a fighter/protector is only with AoO and basic shield skills...
And that gameplay suits me perfectly, you go on spam auras, i dont give a crap :P

[BlooD]

yeah, we never will agree man ^^
hmm... I got no point in like... making you think that vanguard is better than shields, I just know it, many tests, pains in making the correct builds showed me that making a fighter/protector is only with AoO and basic shield skills...
And that gameplay suits me perfectly, you go on spam auras, i dont give a crap :P

I only use one aura, but hey i dont use damage modifiers with my knigth, i know my job and its not killing people, so you continue killing noob mages like me i am sure you cant kill more than that. :P

[Boger]

I only use one aura, but hey i dont use damage modifiers with my knigth, i know my job and its not killing people, so you continue killing noob mages like me i am sure you cant kill more than that. :P

erm... man, try out a knight based on slashing :P
You can kill easily everything (except a hunter) with it...

[Heglin]

It's all a matter of what suits your way of playing knight. I use a maxed vanguard and shields setup (barrier lvl5). Could go for areas but then i'd have to sacrifice either aura or mind squasher/south cross and change the way i play. Imo a knights job is to draw fire and set up kills not to be the main killing machine. /Heg 15,15,7,13,19,19

[GIGO305]

Thanks guys. I think I'll stick to spears for the last areaspell.


thats why i got spears in the firts place best area 2nd to terror sned a guy over with that right after terror and the bale is won easily since alsius plans their areas

[ncvr]

Actually lightning strike has longer duration than terror. Hits harder with barbs too.

Just that terror is range 30 and hits harder than a knight.

Sultar's Terror(5): 100% chance, 7 seconds
Lightning Strike(5): 100% chance, 8 seconds

[KrSOne]

Now I use: 19 slashing, 10 piercing ( 2 balestra, 2 passiv, 2 ripost)
And I like this combo.
19 vanguard
19 shields
7 blunt
11 tactics

[KrSOne]

upg! my old build is was bad :P now I use other, better
19 blunt
15 slashing
10 piercing
15 vanguard

[ncvr]

I saw Tanahans hit unbuffed regular 1.2k dmg with South Cross :O

[DkySven]

He has the slow warlord axe I guess.

[misaccc]

How do you know hes unbuffed?:)

[ncvr]

He was alone killing mobs at Forest Beach.

[misaccc]

I bet he had maxed acurate swings.....

[ncvr]

+50 dmg, isn't much.

Anyway the only buffs I saw him use was Caution and Precise Block and I was lvling near by. Accurate Swings has an easily recognisable sound effect.

[misaccc]

Its "only" 110 dmg more with sc(weapon damage x2,thats 50x2 +25%more thats around 12 dmg)....and maybe hen casted it when you couldnt hear who knows....

[Vroek]

Many knights double buff some even use three of these buffs.
Something like 50+50+30 = 130 x2,25% = 292 + weapon dmg 400(?) x2,25 = 1192 dmg
Duration for this buff is 5 min, 5 min and 3 min and quite possible to do around 1,2k. They even hit my lvl 50 barbarian for that sometimes even if he have weak slashing armour.
People that said knights were weak never knew what they where talking about.

[misaccc]

Well if warlord axe does 2 or 3 kinds of damage then its possible....damage bonus spells only work on weapons that use that specific kind of damage....so a mace with only blunt damage cant use the slash bonus even if you casted it before.....
Further more i dont know any knights with 2 maxed weapons and one at lvl11

[Vroek]

It works like i described, same with mages they can buff fire, ice and lightning no matter what staff they use only their buffs are in the same discipline.
If it is supposed to work like this can be debated but there are plenty of knights that do this or similar setup with the same idea.
Pay some attention to the damage a buffed knight do and how much damage he do after you mind squash him or even better check it out yourself on the test server.

[misaccc]

Hmmmm....i did try it a month ago....it didnt work im sure...ill check it again tho....and take a pic of the results....

[KrSOne]

It's possible, i have clean warlodr axe, (if have with + dmg in Syrtis then /chat krs :P ) 108 str and my regular hit's its some about 1100 with southcross, he have warlord axe + 1x dmg more + more str, and easy can be 1200 dmg.

[misaccc]

hey sorry vroek i didnt belive you...turns out you were right....and the damage is almost doubled with 2 lvl5 bonuses^^

[ncvr]

Yes it works like Vroek described but he never changed weapons. Plus I really doubt he has 3 maxed weapon disciplines(they need to be lvl 5 in order to be +50 dmg)

[Vroek]

Yes it works like Vroek described but he never changed weapons. Plus I really doubt he has 3 maxed weapon disciplines(they need to be lvl 5 in order to be +50 dmg)

Who said he had three lvl 5 buffs, it might as well be 50+50 or 50+30+30 or whatever with a higher weapon damage.
Change weapons? If he prebuff they will last for 3 to 5 min!

[ncvr]

I was lvling there near him for about 2 hours.

[Vroek]

Fair enough, but it unlikely that you keep can track on what buffs he cast 3-5 min before you fought.
Then again if he have normal hit 'unbuffed' for about 535 it possible without buffs but then he would hit you for atleast 1300-1500 with buffs.

[ncvr]

His normal hit was around 470.

[Vroek]

Then its probably normal, don’t know the specifics of his weapon
but one-handed slashing weapons usually have a quite high damage range
if average hit is about 470 then a high end hit could be 535.