Are these evades normal?

[tikinho]

So many bugs in this game. I am not sure what is right and what is wrong anymore :/ So I am asking is this normal?

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/7435/screenshot2008030616553tz5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[DemonMonger]

So many bugs in this game. I am not sure what is right and what is wrong anymore :/ So I am asking is this normal?

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/7435/screenshot2008030616553tz5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
looks like you had a knight/warlock defence combo...... those evades are going to happen when they both buff....

[DkySven]

Knights don't have an aura to evade. I agree, this is madness.

[CumeriTarenes]

well, these evades are normal. You have to consider you had curse on you, makes -10% hit chance for 60 sec for you. As DM said a warlok could have casted wind wall and a knight deflecting barrier (if it is the aura that makes other ppl blocking, not sure about it)

I also noticed, and Valorius mentioned it long ago, that area spells seem to be more effected by auras. In fort wars my areas are resisted/evaded/blocked by about 75% of all targets.

[DkySven]

Hmm, I missed the curse. It has a duration of 60 sec. Could be enough, especially combined with wind wall.

[Angelwinged_Devil]

curse->hit chance 10% at level one
spell focus is what affects spells... or am I wrong?

[CumeriTarenes]

Does anybody know if hit chance influences spell focus as well?

Maybe hit chance is important for spells too to pass the evade layer and spell focus only to pass the resist layer. I wish NGD would tell us.

[tikinho]

Curse lvl 1 = 10% and if they have all block spells that u said why the mobs evade too. Alsius shields work for the mobs too? Xuk doesnt have wind wall on himself couse he didnt blocked anything just evade.

[CumeriTarenes]

Curse lvl 1 = 10% and if they have all block spells that u said why the mobs evade too. Alsius shields work for the mobs too? Xuk doesnt have wind wall on himself couse he didnt blocked anything just evade.


Wind wall is about evading, since it decreases the hit chance of ppl that shoot on the caster. But I don't have a warlok, so I don't know for sure.

And mobs that evade/block: in the spell decription of the auras is mentioned allies, but maybe there is a bug which covers mobs as well. Or it is intended to be that way. Imagine all you enemies block/evade but no the mobs in the area...would be even worse because the mobs would become agro and would damage you.

[LuthienNenharma]

Wind Wall is defiantly not able to evade everything. It does not help to evade sooo many spells, maybe 2 or 3 if you have luck.

[Znurre]

Maybe Mjesec (Conjurer) used Protection Dome.

[Holdan]

Maybe Surak hates you. :superpusso:

[Angelwinged_Devil]

hit chance doesn't effect spells I'm sure now

In amun curse also provides -10% spell focus.

wind wall gives cover which should block ranged attacks

protection dome is resist power, not evade but resist

[Froste]

Wind wall is about evading, since it decreases the hit chance of ppl that shoot on the caster.

No, if a ranged attack is caught by the wind wall it will say blocked, evaded has nothing to do with wind wall.

[Froste]

Curse lvl 1 = 10% and if they have all block spells that u said why the mobs evade too. Alsius shields work for the mobs too? Xuk doesnt have wind wall on himself couse he didnt blocked anything just evade.

Xuk blocked in the screenshot you had, so he must have had windwall, however that doesn't explain the evasion, maybe just insane evasion gear?

[Vroek]

Lag seems to increase evasion somehow also we noticed significant increased evasion when blessed during grinding sessions.

Wind wall and deflecting barrier cause blocked attacks
while protection dome would cause resists.
I don’t get it really, very strange... you also block and evade a whole lot more than average so I lean to the possibility of lag that cause excessive evasion for a moment.

[ljwolfe]

the RNG and calculations for evade are totally screwed up in this game. I respecced to shortbow last night and saw a big drop in evades. I don't like the spec but I have to use it now.

The evades are so bad, that I get pissed even when I evade an enemy's attack :)

Let's rename the game to evadeonline.

[CumeriTarenes]

[...]you also block and evade a whole lot more than average so I lean to the possibility of lag that cause excessive evasion for a moment.

Yes, he also evades and block a lot of hits and spells. Maybe it is realy lag that makes the luck generater weird.
I mean...we have very bad lag atm and very much ppl that complain about evades....

[fluffy_muffin]

Yes, he also evades and block a lot of hits and spells. Maybe it is realy lag that makes the luck generater weird.
I mean...we have very bad lag atm and very much ppl that complain about evades....
Same here :D mobs evade 40 to 80 % shots and spells :D + hunter without buffs who evaded all my shots only ambush worked.

[ncvr]

hit chance doesn't effect spells I'm sure now

In amun curse also provides -10% spell focus.

wind wall gives cover which should block ranged attacks

protection dome is resist power, not evade but resist
No, curse has -spell focus on official.

Areas seem to be evaded/resisted the most though - I cast terror on several knights and hunters who get in the fort and every single one of them blocked or evaded it.

[tikinho]

Xuk blocked in the screenshot you had, so he must have had windwall, however that doesn't explain the evasion, maybe just insane evasion gear?


Xuk didnt blocked anything i did u cant read the log right...

[e30G]

Resurrecting this thread since this shows that the curse bug has been on for quite a while now. :D

[misaccc]

Wow really?damn now i know why i died to few mages i shouldnt....

[e30G]

It should be disabled temporarily until a fix is made IMHO. This is one bug that really affects balance.

[CumeriTarenes]

Yes, Curse level 1 is badly bugged right now.

IF YOU USE CURSE ON LEVEL 1, YOU ARE CHEATING BECAUSE IT CAUSES YOUR ENEMY TO MISS ALMOST EVERY ATTACK AND SPELL. (http://www.regnumonline.com.ar/forum/showthread.php?t=20827)


No, I don't cheat when I use it. I would cheat when NGD puts it on latest news, that the spell is bugged and I use it then...

I never agreed in the terms of use to read the forums before I play the game to look for spells I am not allowed to use. And, even if I read the forums and I read posts from other players that a spell is bugged I don't cheat when i use it. NGD never pointed out, that the spell is bugged as far as I know...I don't have to listen to other players.

Also, you are saying that it is cheating to use it. Then I am saying it is cheating to use enemy surveillance because it is bugged and you have advantages when you use the bugged spell. The only difference between curse and enemy surveillance is, that NGD altready stated a few times that enemy surveillance is bugged.

Also you are abusing the terms of use when you have more than one account...so tell me which point in the agreement I break when I use curse.

[e30G]

Technically you are right in that until NGD declares it as a bug, it officially isn't, therefore people using it can not be called cheaters. I would rather call them dishonorable instead. :D

[CumeriTarenes]

Technically you are right in that until NGD declares it as a bug, it officially isn't, therefore people using it can not be called cheaters. I would rather call them dishonorable instead. :D

yes, you have it right here.

Beeing dishonorable cannot be punished, other than beeing an exploiter.

[Vroek]

Technically you are right in that until NGD declares it as a bug, it officially isn't, therefore people using it can not be called cheaters. I would rather call them dishonorable instead. :D

I think you can call them cheaters even if they are not cheaters in NGD's eyes. Who said NGD have to agree to my definition of a cheater.

[e30G]

They made the game, made the rules and are responsible in governing and upholding them, therefore only they have the right to decide on what is cheating and what is not.

Edit:

It's the same in real life. Ever heard the term "innocent until proven guilty?" Only the courts can decide who is guilty or not. In this case, NGD is the court.

[Hell_bound]

Technically you are right in that until NGD declares it as a bug, it officially isn't, therefore people using it can not be called cheaters. I would rather call them dishonorable instead. :D

But what if a person, through trial and error, found that lvl 1 curse was more effective then the higher lvls.

Also what if this person never once read these boards, are you willing to generalize you moral standards to all in RO without looking at simple ideas that refute your generalizations?

Edit:
If someone develops a bad reputation for themselves in a team game they see just what punishment is. :)

LOL, whatever like it will matter even in less then three months you would forget the names anyways.

Hopeful at best, a statement like this...

[Vroek]

They made the game, made the rules and are responsible in governing and upholding them, therefore only they have the right to decide on what is cheating and what is not.

Edit:

It's the same in real life. Ever heard the term "innocent until proven guilty?" Only the courts can decide who is guilty or not. In this case, NGD is the court.

"in the court of law."

Calling someone something and punishing them for it is not the same thing.

[e30G]

But what if a person, through trial and error, found that lvl 1 curse was more effective then the higher lvls.

Also what if this person never once read these boards, are you willing to generalize you moral standards to all in RO without looking at simple ideas that refute your generalizations?

It's precisely why I posted that. Calling them cheaters isn't justified in this case because for a person to be called a cheater, he/she must be found guilty to have broken a rule. The only people who are qualified to do that are NGD. Because NGD hasn't called this a bug, there is no abuse.

Calling people dishonorable is a different matter. Honor in this game is nothing more than a subjective set of rules made by the players. In short, it is opinion. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

[CumeriTarenes]

But what if a person, through trial and error, found that lvl 1 curse was more effective then the higher lvls.

Also what if this person never once read these boards, are you willing to generalize you moral standards to all in RO without looking at simple ideas that refute your generalizations?


Hell_bound, users pointed out that curse is bugged several times. This is all the players can do, now it is on NGD to clarify if it is a bug and if it is, NGD is responsible to make sure every user knows that it is bugged...or even better to fix it.

You cannot prove if someone found out that curse is bugged and uses it on lvl1 intenionally until NGD made sure everybody knows it. I never said it is not bugged or I said it is good to use it. But you cannot blame someone by the law for using it. Of course I blame everybody who knows about the bug and who uses it. I would call it unfair and not honourable, but not a cheater. Also I would never make peoples names public. It is defamation to do so.

[Hell_bound]

... Calling people dishonorable is a different matter. Honor in this game is nothing more than a subjective set of rules made by the players. In short, it is opinion. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

No it isn't for you call a person "dishonorable" because they found out through trial and error that curse one is more effective then higher lvls?

This statement is nothing short of vigilantism - where by the community subjugates individuals to a fallacious claim of morality.

Next you will be calling everyone that wears blue dumb.

[e30G]

Like I said. Calling a person honorable or dishonorable is merely opinion, just as your post is nothing but opinion. Everyone is entitled to it. Just because neither of us agree makes any of us right or wrong. The same argument can be made for save-camping: Some people call it valid tactics while others call it dishonorable. Calling a person a cheater is a whole different matter however.

[Hell_bound]

... Calling a person honorable or dishonorable is merely opinion..

It's not just an "opinion" - it's an "opinion" with an agenda.

And to prove this is that some are willing to name people that use curse one.

And the very fact that you see this as "dishonorable" supports this vigilante mob rule execution of a moral substandard that is fallacious.

Slice any way you want but these are the facts.:closed1:

[CumeriTarenes]

It's not just an "opinion" - it's an "opinion" with an agenda.

And to prove this is that some are willing to name people that use curse one.

And the very fact that you see this as "dishonorable" supports this vigilante mob rule execution of a moral substandard that is fallacious.

Slice any way you want but these are the facts.:closed1:


what a bunch of words I had to look for in the dictionary


What is honour in the game? Helping your comrades when they are in danger? Not to attack afk people? not to attack saves? Not to attack people who are leveling? Not to attack people who are lower lvl than yourself? To take a bow after defeating someone?

Honour is nothing you can get from the law, it is an attribute which others give to you, and it depends on the opinion other people are having about your actions. This is how I would define honour.

[Arkenion]

So using curse it like using a bug currently? Good to know :S

[Hell_bound]

I don't care about your opinions, I will not take pity on cheaters. Bug abuse is bug abuse.
And that's all I have to say about it.


Damn you sound like sweetmarry from AC1...


... Honour is nothing you can get from the law, it is an attribute which others give to you, and it depends on the opinion other people are having about your actions. This is how I would define honour.


Right so you would choose to stigmatize people that don't know that they are doing wrong?

Also they have an easy claim to hold on to, which I might add you don't, and that is NGD has been silent on the issue.

But go on keep pushing you fallacious moral substandard, even though there is no bases for it.

[DkySven]

Like Vroek said, why on earth and regnum would a warlock cast curse on a level 50 barbarian who is charging towards him if he things it does only -10% hit change? That would be suïcide.

[CumeriTarenes]

I don't care about your opinions, I will not take pity on cheaters. Bug abuse is bug abuse.
And that's all I have to say about it.

So please don't quote me or reply to me. You're trying to push your morales onto me just as much.


when you don't care about our opinion, then don't tell us yours!

and yes, bugabuse is bugabuse! Then I call all hunters who use enemy surveillance cheater! But not players who use curse, because I can claim it is not bugged. It is only called bugged because some players have the opinion it is because they made some tests. I believe more in NGD than in other players opinion, and since NGD didn't say it is bugged I can say it is not.

[Hell_bound]

Like Vroek said, why on earth and regnum would a warlock cast curse on a level 50 barbarian who is charging towards him if he things it does only -10% hit change? That would be suïcide.

Maybe he was low on mana, or maybe he setup his hot bar wrong? Whatever the reason you cannot claim him to be in the wrong or acting dishonorably.

[Hell_bound]

Well, I do want to believe this, because Badhor is a good player. I hope he will answer himself. :)

So you take the belief that one should know better, so all should?

Again, I love how you guys generalize here and demand adherence to a strict moral standard...

[CumeriTarenes]

Right so you would choose to stigmatize people that don't know that they are doing wrong?

Also they have an easy claim to hold on to, which I might add you don't, and that is NGD has been silent on the issue.

But go on keep pushing you fallacious moral substandard, even though there is no bases for it.

hard to understand, but I will try to reply.

You talk about right and wrong Hell_bound. You pretend you know what is right and waht is wrong.

Yes, I stigmatize people that don't know that they are doing wrong because in my opinion they do wrong. The people I stigmatize have the opinion they do right. You see, it is all about opinions. I have the opion you are wrong on this issue here, and you most probably have the opinion I am wrong.

You are saying I have a fallacious moral substandard. That is your opinion. Who is telling you it is not your moral substandart which is fallacious?
There is no right and wrong, but you claim very often to know the truth.

[e30G]

Also they have an easy claim to hold on to, which I might add you don't, and that is NGD has been silent on the issue.

They can use that argument if they are being called cheaters.

But go on keep pushing you fallacious moral substandard, even though there is no bases for it.

My answer is the same as this:

Honour is nothing you can get from the law, it is an attribute which others give to you, and it depends on the opinion other people are having about your actions. This is how I would define honour.

Nothing can stop a person from thinking of you as either honorable or dishonorable. It's all a matter of point of view or opinion. Whether or not you are affected by it is up to you.

I could very well quote to you what you said:

Slice any way you want but these are the facts.:closed1:

Edit:

You are saying I have a fallacious moral substandard. That is your opinion. Who is telling you it is not your moral substandart which is fallacious?
There is no right and wrong, but you claim very often to know the truth.

Correct. It's funny that while he accuses us of generalizing and demanding adherence to a strict moral standard he is also inadvertently doing the same thing by enforcing his.

[Hell_bound]

... There is no right and wrong, but you claim very often to know the truth.

But yet you stigmatize others? But you just stated that there is no right or wrong, hmmm?

As to me claiming that I know truth? This is what I claim - you are in error because you say one thing and then another - you cannot have it both ways.

Again you would falsely accuse one of dishonor because in your mind you think that they know using lvl 1 curse is wrong?

But again they only found this out by trial and error, or maybe by mistake.

So to claim everyone that uses cruse one as "dishonorable" is fallacious.

Then lets not also forget that NGD is silent on the issue. :closed1:

[Hell_bound]

I still don't understand how abusing bugs is not cheating, just because NGD hasn't said it is.
The definitions of the word say otherwise...

"violating accepted standards"

We need to look at this a bit closely here, because those who create the standards are NGD though their game mechanics

Now, one can also look at the community standard, however, community standard is flawed because most of the time it will not accept the mechanical standard that developers put in the game

Hence the whining...

[Pizdzius]

oh no... not hell bound situation again...

[CumeriTarenes]

But yet you stigmatize others? But you just stated that there is no right or wrong, hmmm?


Yes, I am a human beeing. I have my own opion about what others do and for this I can say they are honourable or dishonourable from my point of view. What for me is honourable is for another person dishonourable. It al depends on the opinion you have.



Again you would falsely accuse one of dishonor because in your mind you think that they know using lvl 1 curse is wrong?

when they know about the bugged spell and they still use it they did something dishonourable in my opinion. For me this action is not honourable. Or how do you define honour? What is honour for one person is maybe dishonour for another person.


So to claim everyone that uses cruse one as "dishonorable" is fallacious.

Not everyone, only these people who knows about the bug. I call them beeing unfair and showing now honour towards the enemy, because I think they did wrong. They maybe think they did right. So what....for me their action is still not honourable. Do you want to disallow me to have my own opinion and to judge about other people in my mind?


Then lets not also forget that NGD is silent on the issue. :closed1:

yes, they are silent because they don't want to admit that they messed up with this:

Version: 0.9.28 (Date: 2008/2/26)
- Spell: Curse now also affects spell focus (spell hit success chance).

[tikinho]

:bananajoy: Month later my post is revived wi!i!i! thanks Galynn! :)

Rubble Rubble Rubble Rubble :horsey:

[Hell_bound]

Yes, I am a human beeing. I have my own opion about what others do and for this I can say they are honourable or dishonourable from my point of view. What for me is honourable is for another person dishonourable. It al depends on the opinion you have.




when they know about the bugged spell and they still use it they did something dishonourable in my opinion. For me this action is not honourable. Or how do you define honour? What is honour for one person is maybe dishonour for another person.



Not everyone, only these people who knows about the bug. I call them beeing unfair and showing now honour towards the enemy, because I think they did wrong. They maybe think they did right. So what....for me their action is still not honourable. Do you want to disallow me to have my own opinion and to judge about other people in my mind?



yes, they are silent because they don't want to admit that they messde up with this:

Version: 0.9.28 (Date: 2008/2/26)
- Spell: Curse now also affects spell focus (spell hit success chance).[/quote][/QUOTE]


"yes, they are silent because they don't want to admit that they messde up with this:"'

This I never stated this, do you like to spread disinformation?


Edit: being that my quote is all messed I suspect that it was an error on your part...

[makarios68]

WTF has all this got to do with the original thread?

In fact, WTF has it got to do with the game at all?

Maybe there should be a sub-forum entitled 'miscellaneous crap'

Then all this kind of crap can go there and you can choose to read it or not...

[e30G]

:bananajoy: Month later my post is revived wi!i!i! thanks Galynn! :)

Rubble Rubble Rubble Rubble :horsey:

With a vengeance too! See the very long argument that ensued. :D

[ljwolfe]

hellbound - #1 ngd fanboi!

/op

Yes this game should be called evadeonline, not regnumonline.

[Hell_bound]

WTF has all this got to do with the original thread?

In fact, WTF has it got to do with the game at all?

Maybe there should be a sub-forum entitled 'miscellaneous crap'

Then all this kind of crap can go there and you can choose to read it or not...


It has a lot to do with it, for those most vocal here have been pushing a lot of issues on the development board, as of late.

Edit:
hellbound - #1 ngd fanboi!...

Are you jealous?

[e30G]

WTF has all this got to do with the original thread?

In fact, WTF has it got to do with the game at all?

Maybe there should be a sub-forum entitled 'miscellaneous crap'

Then all this kind of crap can go there and you can choose to read it or not...

Ok lets get back on topic while remaining politically correct to satisfy Hell Bound:

The spell "Curse" does not appear to be working correctly at level 1. It causes an unfair advantage to any mage by making the target miss 9/10 of the spells they cast.

Please take note that people who use this spell may or may not be dishonorable depending on who you ask. :bananajoy:

[Valour]

been pushing a lot of issues on the development board, as of late.


That's why it's there...

It's there to put foward your problems, and this is a problem.

[Hell_bound]

That's why it's there...

It's there to put foward your problems, and this is a problem.

Let me make it clear I never stated that this wasn't a problem, nor did I say that it shouldn't be corrected.

However, the problem that I see is labeling some as a cheat or dishonorable when one does not know if they intentionally are using it or may have found by their own experimentation, or even by mistake, that curse one is more effective then the other lvl'd ones.

Please if you want to quote me, make sure you understand what I'm talking about.

[Valour]

You are such a troll, tell us something we don't know.

You said that people keep questionning the game mechanics, as if you saying that it's not a problem.

[Hell_bound]

You are such a troll, tell us something we don't know.

You said that people keep questionning the game mechanics, as if you saying that it's not a problem.

To question the game mechanics is to question NGD, and that is a problem. For who here can say they developed RO?

Once you can say that then there will be no problems...

[e30G]

To question the game mechanics is to question NGD and that is a problem

WHY? Isn't remaining passive of potential problems and issues a far worse problem? Really that statement of yours defies logic.

[Hell_bound]

WHY? Isn't remaining passive of potential problems and issues a far worse problem? Really that statement of yours defies logic.

I'm not saying to be passive...

I just saying that you do not look at the issues from a developer perspective.

Hence once you become a developer of RO you would fully understand the mechanics behind this game. And what you think are problems now would eventually seem trivial at best...

[makarios68]

Stooge had Curse(1) on him, and it was bugged at the time. It has everything to do with the thread. :)
The discussion is about whether or not using Curse(1) while bugged is dishonorable or cheating.

Oh ok.

IMO it's not cheating because the advantage has not been created by a player.

However, it is a bit lame to knowingly use the bug...

[CumeriTarenes]

Oh ok.

IMO it's not cheating because the advantage has not been created by a player.

However, it is a bit lame to knowingly use the bug...

Wudy, how can you call it lame? How can you "keep pushing you fallacious moral substandard" here? :dance:

PD: I realy agree with you Wudy, but to everything you say Hell_bound has to start a discussion about morally and sociale aspects, which are going off topic then. Hell_bound, please pm the people you think they are creating or their words are based on a fallacious moral substandard, because, as you see, it goes too far grom the topic to talk about it in the thread itself. I am realy open to talk about this when you have the need to talk about it. But most people are just sick of reading many pages of something they are not interested in, because it belongs not to the game itself. And I can understand these people very well.


at Katiechan: no, hunters, who are using enemy surveillance are not dishonourable in my opinion. Without this spell a hunter would be much less effective which would give them a disadvantage. Hunters realy need the spell, and when NGD does not want hunters to use the spell they would have just deleted that spell in previous updates to fix it later. I only think that hunters, who want to avoid the bug beeing fixed are dishonourable.

[Hell_bound]

Wudy, how can you call it lame? How can you "keep pushing you fallacious moral substandard" here? :dance:

PD: I realy agree with you Wudy, but to everything you say Hell_bound has to start a discussion about morally and sociale aspects, which are going off topic then. Hell_bound, please pm the people you think they are creating or their words are based on a fallacious moral substandard, because, as you see, it goes too far grom the topic to talk about it in the thread itself. I am realy open to talk about this when you have the need to talk about it. But most people are just sick of reading many pages of something they are not interested in, because it belongs not to the game itself. And I can understand these people very well...

You know you're full of arrogance. You will see in the end even the devils of truth will stand tall!

However, cannot say the same for the likes of you...

[Vroek]

curse (1)
range 25, duration 60 sec, cooldown 20 sec and cost 40 mana.
It makes nearly ALL direct spells from the target fail over 60 sec.

But go ahead use it for all i care, it will probably make this game more fun.
I love to have "abit lame" players like Badhor around makes it so much more interesting.

[CumeriTarenes]

curse (1)
range 25, duration 60 sec, cooldown 20 sec and cost 40 mana.
It makes nearly ALL direct spells from the target fail over 60 sec.

But go ahead use it for all i care, it will probably make this game more fun.
I love to have "abit lame" players like Badhor around makes it so much more interesting.

Vroek, I realy understand you. It is no fun at all when another one uses bugged spells. But don't blame the player in the first line, blame the developer. They don't care about it even tough it is known quite a long time now, at least they don't show us that they care about it. NGD could save so much senceless discussions, so much complaints and so much whining when they would comminicate with the community, when they would talking clear to us. But they don't.

[ljwolfe]

To question the game mechanics is to question NGD, and that is a problem. For who here can say they developed RO?

Once you can say that then there will be no problems...


hahahahaa. Do you live in communist china or simply wished you lived under the rule of stalin or Hitler? Why the hell shouldn't we question NGD? Who here can say they created their country's constitution? It doesn't mean that we shouldn't question our government. What a sick, twisted, servile world you live in. Should I fully understand nuclear fission before I question the use of nuclear weapons. Get a grip, kid.

[Vroek]

I do blame NGD too, but a bug like this can easily happen.
I mean they ment to code 10% but added an extra zero, shit happens. ;)

[fluffy_muffin]

But go ahead use it for all i care, it will probably make this game more fun.

Yes it will :D It was my best fight that morning :D
After it brave 50lvl ignis hunter escaped when i killed his pet (when he was under sotw) :]

[Vroek]

hehe yeah too bad NGD will soon remove this bug :/

Anyway good job reporting an other cheater.
Thanks!

[seba_ktupe]

I consider that those evades aren't normal. So I consider that u have very bad luck

[Vroek]

I consider that those evades aren't normal. So I consider that u have very bad luck

stooge had bad luck of beeing hit with buged spell
at time you can be fairly sure no one found out about it.