Lil' help with a marksman

[Dreamfoil]

hey boys =)
My Sprinkle right now became a marksman =]
and here comes the question, what bows should I use? what other skills or categories? I dont want to make a bummer on my first class you know ;-)
I will be gratefull for any help =]

[mrclean]

Well, I think a pretty nice marksman would combine both bows, althought you can really take advantage of range thanks to passives (aiming mastery).

Primary you should think about what interests you, for example I would use long bows if I want to fight enemies from fort walls and long bows + short bows (long ones for the first attacks) to fight in pvp: most of the powerful spells you have (like death sentence, sudden strike, confuse) are of range 25 so you'll lose a bit of the benefits of having big range of long bows, and dual shot is really an awesome spell cause it piggybacks a normal hit.

Evasion tree is pretty awesome, give a try to dodge, at lvl 5 is really really cool, while spell elude and the other one I can't remember the name (sorry xD) have duration = cooldown lasting 120 seconds at lvl 5, so really powerful.

Anyway I'm not so good as a marksman, but I hope this would help :smile:

EDIT: to train fast, death sentence and sudden strike are the best :)

[padreigh]

If you "just" became marksmen, youve got 25-30lvls of grinding and questing before you. longbow(shield pierce), arrow mastery(recharged arrow, serpent bite), tricks (stunfist + ambush) sufficient for lvling, aiming mastery(foresight) to keep greater distance to enemies. Good timing is nice for lvling, shoot a mob, walk backwards while shootanimation runs, stand till shootanim starts and retreat while it works ... that way youll loose less life.

[Dreamfoil]

Thanks boys! =)
I really appreciate your help.
One more question, can I change the skills I chose? just in case I chose wrong?

[mrclean]

Sure, you have to type /reset_powers in chat box (realm, general, clan or whatelse doesn't matter)

Then wait for a minute and you can reskill again ^^

[ncvr]

On my Marksman I found the best way to lvl was to get highest possible Foresight, Shield Pierce and Recharged Arrows then attack mobs with a range 30 slow or medium depending on what you prefer while running back between shots (which might take a while to get used to). Also use one Shield Pierce per mob.

[Dreamfoil]

or medium depending on what you prefer while running back between shots (which might take a while to get used to).

The what? :O

@ fean0r - thanx :* =)

[Inkster]

He means slow speed or medium speed long bow

[Lovele]

Theese are the spells wich I use.

[Miraculix]

Theese are the spells wich I use.
Cyclop's Curse? LOL

Dreamfoil, you need to setup for PvE right now, since it's too early for PvP. That means choosing skills for the fastest mob killing possible. This in turn means resting as little as possible, ie receiving the least possible damage.

For marksmen, the way to do it is: Get a long bow, range 30. Medium/Slow is your choice really, see what works best. Depends on what mobs you kill to level. The whole point is to get the mob dead (or as close to that as possible) before it gets in your face, so you dont take any damage. Try out both a medium speed, range 30 long bow and a slow one, and see which one gets this done better.

Skills to use: Shield Piercing from the long bows discipline, Recharged Arrows from Arrow Mastery and Foresight (range boost passive) from Aiming Mastery.

The running-back-while-shooting trick is also essential for this tactic. I'll edit this post to show you a video of how it is done.

Of course, you can feel free to experiment and find new ways of leveling, better ones than the traditional... I'm experimenting on leveling with a 25 range fast short bow, the range passive, recharged arrows and Dual shot...

Results: Fast bow + recharged arrows = you're bleeding mana, LOTS of mana :p

EDIT: This video could be it... was bored to see the whole thing, too much clan-whore-out ;p
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_PDC3kWjS0

[Lovele]

Hm. Thx for the tips Miraculix, but I don't use cyclops curse at that time I just tested it to see what he does.:D I am not so noob really:P But thx for the tips.

[Angelwinged_Devil]

dreamfoil, for levelling use both bowtrees with the passives and the foresight passive too, don't use recharged arrows, but the more passive spells and the more buffs which has a cooldown the same amount of time as its duration is good for levelling.
Also use all dexterity boosting items available

[ncvr]

What is wrong with Recharged Arrows?

[Lovele]

Yea. Recharged arrows is good for lvling.

[Miraculix]

Meh, typical AwD. He doesn't even know his own class, yet gives advice about all the other ones. :thumb:

[Angelwinged_Devil]

Meh, typical AwD. He doesn't even know his own class, yet gives advice about all the other ones. :thumb:
I think you're close the a place on my ignorelist, can't use this for anything, try asking instead of making yourself look stupid


What is wrong with Recharged Arrows?

recharged arrows use mana, you'll have to rest when you level then, you can level nonstop with a marksman with both bow trees. Solo levelling.

[mrclean]

Actually I trained long with recharged arrows, specialist, and dexterity passive trained, casting a Death Sentence and/or a Sudden Strike makes u kill mobs really easily with few hits.

Recharged consumes a lot of mana, but lvl 1 is good too, and makes you regenerate faster than consumption so you can go. If u use a lot of spells u will need to rest quite often, but I trained really a lot of time with recharged arrows and always without stopping for a while. The "shot/move backwards" thing works greatly even with only recharged arrows active.

I think one needs to find the style that best fits him and then use it, no matter if another is more efficient cause what works for you could not work for me (yes I'm really a wiseman xD)

PS: it's cause a marksman doesn't fit me so much that I play with the knight, so beware of what I say about marksman skills ^^

[Valorius]

The most dangerous marksmen are the ones with tons of evasion, lvl 5 death sentence, and a really high base attack.

[Miraculix]

recharged arrows use mana, you'll have to rest when you level then, you can level nonstop with a marksman with both bow trees. Solo levelling.

Have you ever even leveled a marksman? At all?

Like I said, typical AwD. Why not post a marksman build too, let us all have another laugh.

[Angelwinged_Devil]

Have you ever even leveled a marksman? At all?

Like I said, typical AwD. Why not post a marksman build too, let us all have another laugh.
there's no need posting a marksman build, seems like you still don't understand that it was a reply to someone syaing he didn't have enough points for scouting, level 5 pet and high defense.

flamer

[craiyzee]

Once again, an innocent topic turned to trash. Just drop it and don't start flaming threads that no one else wants to read.
The purpose of this thread is to help Sparkle with her setup. Everyone is entitled to a suggestion whether they play a marksman or not.

Now, my two cents is that you try to use a build which is simple, and easy to grasp because setups you use in low leveling will probably define the type of marksman you are when in war as it will be what you are most comfortable to use.
I agree with AWD about recharged arrows at your level, they are a mana suck and it would involve more resting which is something you want to avoid.
Try using buffing spells to get used to doing them, so that you don't forget to do them later.

That's pretty much all I can say on the class, because I haven't played it that much, just occasionally, and generally only at a higher level.

Goodluck.

[ncvr]

recharged arrows use mana, you'll have to rest when you level then, you can level nonstop with a marksman with both bow trees. Solo levelling.
LOL then how do I lvl with Recharged Arrows non-stop?

Range 30 slow bow, a few shots to mobs while moving back starting at max range, when they get close piggyback with shieldpierce or a low mana spell.

[CumeriTarenes]

ok...a good build to lvl fast:

Slow range 30 bow

recharged highest lvl
range passive (but not that important, it is just max 4,5 range...)
highest lvl shield pierce (always piggybacked)
highest lvl arcobatic and strategic position
highest lvl dex, conc, damage and hit chance passives
maybe high lvl ethereal arrow too, since mana cost/dmg ratio is quite good
go back between the shoots


This way you can lvl almost non stop.

At lower lvl you should do the same...try to get all the things as high as possible

[Lovele]

ok...a good build to lvl fast:

Slow range 30 bow

recharged highest lvl
range passive (but not that important, it is just max 4,5 range...)
highest lvl shield pierce (always piggybacked)
highest lvl arcobatic and strategic position
highest lvl dex, conc, damage and hit chance passives
maybe high lvl ethereal arrow too, since mana cost/dmg ratio is quite good
go back between the shoots


This way you can lvl almost non stop.

At lower lvl you should do the same...try to get all the things as high as possible
And this is a good build!!!

[Angelwinged_Devil]

LOL then how do I lvl with Recharged Arrows non-stop?

Range 30 slow bow, a few shots to mobs while moving back starting at max range, when they get close piggyback with shieldpierce or a low mana spell.
do you also kill fast?

I had a friend to test how much mana he regenned while standing still, and it wasn't enough to level nonstop by the cost of mana per arrow with recharged arrows.

[Lovele]

Yeah but recharched arrows is essencial cuz the marksman don't have a pet like the hunter so he needs to do the max damage.

[Angelwinged_Devil]

Yeah but recharched arrows is essencial cuz the marksman don't have a pet like the hunter so he needs to do the max damage.
it's not essential, max damage can be boosting your dex.

[Miraculix]

You *seriously* don't know anything about marksmen or archers in general. Boosting your dex to get the equivalent amount of boost from Recharged would mean a dex boost of 25+. LOL.

What Cumeri said is probably the best setup for leveling a marks.
Recharged with a slow bow does not drain that much mana, you can practically level non-stop. If you had ever, even once leveled a marksman you would know that. There is enough time for mana regen when you run towards the next mob to kill while in off combat mode. Ask a marks in your clan ffs instead of making shit up.

[CumeriTarenes]

for mana regeneration would be good to have high INT passive too

And AWD: Do you want to say you know better about marksman than players, who are actually playing a marksman?

Your posts the last days were 90% BS. Realy.

[Lovele]

for mana regeneration would be good to have high INT passive too

And AWD: Do you want to say you know better about marksman than players, who are actually playing a marksman?

Your posts the last days were 90% BS. Realy.
LOL. Don't be mad;) And thx Cumeri that build helped me a lot. I can kill up to 18 normal mobs without rest. Marksman rullz:)

[Angelwinged_Devil]

You *seriously* don't know anything about marksmen or archers in general. Boosting your dex to get the equivalent amount of boost from Recharged would mean a dex boost of 25+. LOL.

that's not what I was saying, you're just implying it ;)

What Cumeri said is probably the best setup for leveling a marks.
Recharged with a slow bow does not drain that much mana, you can practically level non-stop. If you had ever, even once leveled a marksman you would know that. There is enough time for mana regen when you run towards the next mob to kill while in off combat mode. Ask a marks in your clan ffs instead of making shit up.
I'm not making shit up try out what I said, I'm sure there's a way. And if there's a lot of mobs then, what will you do? Say "oh no I have to pretend like I'm running between mobs to get my mana up?"
This is why I changed to levelling with staff mastery, no waiting for cooldown, see it as a marksman as no waiting for mana.
If you were with a conjurer it would be effective for levelling, but for solo and nonresting, nah.


And AWD: Do you want to say you know better about marksman than players, who are actually playing a marksman?

no I'm not, I'm saying something about recharged arrows not working for nonstop levelling

for mana regeneration would be good to have high INT passive too

I thought about it, but then you need something from 4 different trees

in the end I second some wise words.
you have to find the levelling style which suits you best. Whether it being nonstop level without rest for reaching a high level fast or level with rest while you just enjoy it and chat with your friends.

[CumeriTarenes]

no I'm not, I'm saying something about recharged arrows not working for nonstop levelling

I thought about it, but then you need something from 4 different trees



ok...I just made a test. I used slow bow and attacked with recharged arrows lvl 5. I only used normal hits and steped back between the attacks. The moment I killed the mob I had a loss of 20 mana points.

The mana regeneration for a lvl 50 with INT passive lvl 5 is the same as mana consumption on lvl 5.

Of course lower lvls have less INT and maybe less points for high INT passive. But in the time you go in position to kill the next mob your mana will be full. You have to go in max rang to the next mob...in the while you can regenerate mana.
That means recharged arrows is not mana eating like you say. But you know better because you play a marksman I guess. Of course you cannot lvl non stop with recharged arrows, but you cannot lvl non stop with another setup too. But using recharged arrows means less resting.

And...you need actually 5 discipline trees to put points in all the things I mentioned. But you know better about marksman.


btw...another tip: put points in cat reflexes for lvling setup too if you have spare points. More evades=more hp=less resting

[Angelwinged_Devil]

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I've heard of people who did nonstop levelling with a marks. So it's possible, using both bow trees means dex passive plus damage passive of 10% if you get it on level 5.
then you need some bonuses for your hit chances.
Maybe some damage reduction.
and dex.

I'm just saying what I know and I know this, you can try different setups for yourself intil you find the right one, that's what I did with my warlock

[Miraculix]

If you were with a conjurer it would be effective for levelling, but for solo and nonresting, nah.

LOL. Okey, if YOU say so, then it must be true. A warlock who doesn't even know the spells of his own class is giving me advice on how to level MY class. Okey. I guess you know better than me what works best for leveling.

[ncvr]

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I kill fast enough, thanks...

I kill fast enough using only normal hits on a hunter WITHOUT any non-passive dmg boosts as well.

Oh, another thing...since she's in Alsius, she can get the Amulet of Emanation which is +100 mana.

About the lots of mobs thing, you can use a different setup if you find tons of mobs around - max arrow mastery and ignus them, or Lightning Arrow.

But even with lots of mobs around, I rarely have mana or health problems on both my Marksman or Hunter.

[Angelwinged_Devil]

LOL. Okey, if YOU say so, then it must be true. A warlock who doesn't even know the spells of his own class is giving me advice on how to level MY class. Okey. I guess you know better than me what works best for leveling.
well since you can't find any counter arguments well, yeah... you go flaming instead.

p.s. I DID talk with a marks from my clan about levelling and we tried to figure out the way on how to level nonstop. We calculated that the mana cost of each arrow, the amount of arrows to kill a mob, and the mana regeneration time in nonattack stance didn't match.
So obviously recharged arrows was not the way of levelling nonstop. It was mentioned that when you run between mobs who are far away from each other you will get enough mana back to kill another mob.

What if there are enough mobs in a circle around you but not enough to use area spells (area spells needs mana too remember.) Then what? You'll have to attack the next one right after.

You probably kill mobs fast enough with recharged arrows, but if there are enough mobs you won't have enough mana.
As I mentioned before that's why I changed to staff mastery as a levelling build, when there were a lot of mobs spread out my spells were in cooldown when I reached the next, that was annoying as hell, so now I'm independent of it, the only problem is a common one, when there's not enough mobs around.
Try to contrast it with the mana problem and you'll see why I changed from spellcasting to buffcasting.


Oh, another thing...since she's in Alsius, she can get the Amulet of Emanation which is +100 mana.

I guess you are familiar with the slash damage rings in syrtis too, this'll just help the damage, and the guy who levelled nonstop was from another realm (which is why he didn't tell, realm secret.)
this means it will be even easier in syrtis.

You can continue to whine about how much I'm wrong or you can start testing builds until you crack the nut. (this is not to you necro)

[ncvr]

Did you calculate the mana regenerated while actually attacking the mob?

Mana regens once per second. Mana used by Recharged Arrows(5) is 20 mana per arrow. There are 3 seconds between each shot (with the recommended slow/30 bow).

[Angelwinged_Devil]

Did you calculate the mana regenerated while actually attacking the mob?

Mana regens once per second. Mana used by Recharged Arrows(5) is 20 mana per arrow. There are 3 seconds between each shot (with the recommended slow/30 bow).
The thing is not everyone uses a slow/30 bow

[CumeriTarenes]

oh damn....this thread turned into totally BS


first: mana regen is more than 1per sec...at least for my marksman. It depends on INT. And slow bow is 3,5 sec between each shoot with slow weapon

second: of course you have to use a slow bow with recharged...best mana/damage ratio. AWD...your last comment realy shows your lack of knowledge

third: A marksman cannot lvl nonstop allone. With no build at all. You have to rest after a certain number of kills. Depends on the kind of mobs and how much you have to run to find next mob.

With slow bow and recharged lvl 5 a lvl 50 marksman has no mana loss at all.

But people who don't play marksman know better, lol

[Miraculix]

You can level practically non-stop, if you do all the regen in running around for mobs. If you don't you can still level (almost) non-stop. I run out of mana after 10-12 mobs, and keep killing for another 10-12 until i'm low on health, by which point i have regened mana again (since recharged was turned off due to lack of mana) and can still take 2-3 mobs down using some powerful spells so they never even touch me. That means almost 22-27 mobs between rests, which is, when you experience it, almost non-stop. 27 mobs is a lot of time.

If you had even played a marksman AwD, you would know this. Now, you are just making shit up. I'm not the first and certainly not the only one to tell you about your bulshit posts lately. Learn to take a hint from people around you.

[Angelwinged_Devil]

second: of course you have to use a slow bow with recharged...best mana/damage ratio. AWD...your last comment realy shows your lack of knowledge

you are inepretting again please learn to read my posts
not everyone uses a slow/30 bow doesn't mean not everyone uses slow/30 bow with recharged arrows


If you had even played a marksman AwD, you would know this. Now, you are just making shit up. I'm not the first and certainly not the only one to tell you about your bulshit posts lately. Learn to take a hint from people around you.

I'm not making shit up, and why are "you" right?
Most of your posts end up in flames because you have no argument at all, so if you have nothing else to say than some rude stuff don't even bother posting at all.

Did you try every possible build/Setup imaginable?
I guess not, therefore, you can't say you can't level nonstop with a marksman

[Miraculix]

Did you try every possible build/Setup imaginable?
I guess not, therefore, you can't say you can't level nonstop with a marksman

LOL. I certainly have tried more than ZERO, which is the amount of marksman builds you have tried out, and if you check my first post in this thread, before you even posted, you'll see that I'm still experimenting with builds on leveling, so it's definitely more than one. And of all those I tried out (hint: a lot), the one Cumeri posted (and the one that I used for most of my leveling) worked out the best.

Yet you think it's okey that you try and convince us what works best for us, but I can't say stuff about marksmen. LOL, you sir have hit a record in lameness. Congratulations.

[Angelwinged_Devil]

LOL. I certainly have tried more than ZERO, which is the amount of marksman builds you have tried out, and if you check my first post in this thread, before you even posted, you'll see that I'm still experimenting with builds on leveling, so it's definitely more than one. And of all those I tried out (hint: a lot), the one Cumeri posted (and the one that I used for most of my leveling) worked out the best.

Yet you think it's okey that you try and convince us what works best for us, but I can't say stuff about marksmen. LOL, you sir have hit a record in lameness. Congratulations.
in your book I have hit it yes, but you are even more lame to flame because you can't come up with arguments

so you haven't tried all builds yet, and you are still experiencing, and you haven't tried all builds yet, don't say that it's not possible yet. Simple as that.

And I didn't specifically say "do this do that" I give advice and say what's possible, I never gave a concrete build to work from, I am giving advice, listen to it, give feedback and discuss with valid arguments, if you have nothing better to say then please do us a favor and STFU

[CumeriTarenes]

AWD, since you think you can grind non stop with a marksman in an area with many mobs then please post a lvl 49 build of a marksman which maeks marksman to lvl non stop.
When you do, then you bring up arguments, because as a matter of fact you are the one who brings up no arguments or arguments that are bs.

Like recharged arrows:

You said recharged arrows are crap for a grinding build because you loose too much mana

I said a lvl 50 marksman with slow bow does not have a mana loss if he uses recharged arrows lvl 5 and int passive lvl 5.

You said not every marksman uses slow bow.



So...heh?


but now...what is this supposed to mean? When I read it I understand only BS

your statement:
The thing is not everyone uses a slow/30 bow
my statement:

second: of course you have to use a slow bow with recharged...best mana/damage ratio. AWD...your last comment realy shows your lack of knowledge
your response:

not everyone uses a slow/30 bow doesn't mean not everyone uses slow/30 bow with recharged arrows

[Angelwinged_Devil]

AWD, since you think you can grind non stop with a marksman in an area with many mobs then please post a lvl 49 build of a marksman which maeks marksman to lvl non stop.
When you do, then you bring up arguments, because as a matter of fact you are the one who brings up no arguments or arguments that are bs.

I am saying what I know, did I say I knew the exact way of levelling a marksman nonstop? No, I'm just giving advice on how it may be done as I know it can be done, when I'm going to level a marksman, I will probably find out.

*thinks about dirty fighting and foresight* could be a funny combination


but now...what is this supposed to mean? When I read it I understand only BS

If a person wants to use a fast 20 bow, it will take two shots before some mana is regenerated. (0.5s interval)

[CumeriTarenes]

I am saying what I know, did I say I knew the exact way of levelling a marksman nonstop? No, I'm just giving advice on how it may be done as I know it can be done, when I'm going to level a marksman, I will probably find out.

But you, who you never played a marksman most probably, are telling us how to do things better when lvling a marksman.


*thinks about dirty fighting and foresight* could be a funny combination

...ah...but then you need a conju who heals you since the mob will reach you very fast and you take a lot of damage.

When you compare recharged arrows in combi with foresight and and drty fighting in combo with foresigt you will see that recharged arrows is much more effecient in recieved/done damage.


If a person wants to use a fast 20 bow, it will take two shots before some mana is regenerated. (0.5s interval)


ah...again BS. First, a fast bow has not 0,5s interval, it is rather about 1,8 sec I think. But...the big AWD knows best...as always. Like with ambitious sacrifice and MoD..or like with agro mobs.

We talked about using recharged arrows with a slow bow is good for grinding. you said: No, it is not because it eats mana. Then I showed you you have no mana loss. Then you still say recharged arrows is not good to use because not everybody uses a slow bow.

wtf...I am getting angry from all this BS. You have no clue at all but you try to convince others about your opinion.

[ncvr]

I'm getting confused here...what were you saying?
Not everybody uses a slow bow, then recharged arrows isn't that good if you don't use a slow bow, and...

:confused:

[Static_Fang]

Okai, i'm a little of a marks noob, but i use Recharged with a fast bow, i start the fight with longest range bow + serp bite, than swap to lots off fast, damaging shots

Yea, but i'm only lvl 16, and only been in arena for a lil bit.
But i love marks with shorts, just need long range for some starter moves

[ncvr]

And you sit and rest while Serpeant bite is on cooldown or...? ;)

[Static_Fang]

And you sit and rest while Serpeant bite is on cooldown or...? ;)

Nah, Out of combat mode when i switch till their about in range

[ncvr]

I used to use a fast bow on my marks.

Wasn't as effective, but it was fun.

[ljwolfe]

real marksmen use 3 bows minimum in each fight :)

[ljwolfe]

The most dangerous marksmen are the ones with tons of evasion, lvl 5 death sentence, and a really high base attack.
heheh pretty close :) arrow mastery helps too :)