European players, attention

[Leadoffhitter]

Sorry for creating a new thread, but the first one was to ask for a doubt and this one tries to focus attention on the thread. I consider it important enough to do it. Thanks.

Ok, I see.

I'll send a mail to customer service in NGD, but I feel I should explain what's going on to the european with this kind of payment, once that I almost did it on the spanish forum. It's too important.


20 US $ = 18000 ximerin

20 € = 18000 ximerin

but the actual currency exchange for the euro/US dolar is: 1 € = 1.56 US $

the actual currency exchange US dolar/euro is: 1 US $ = 0.64 €

It means that people paying in US $ getting 18000 ximerin is paying in fact 12,8 euros...

While people paying in euros is paying 20 € for the same amount of ximerin...


If NGD wants to put US $ as the main way of payment:

20 US $ = 18000 ximerin

20€ = 30,2 US $

30,2 US $ = 18000 xime + 8500 xime + 0,2 US $

so 26500 xime and 0,2 US $ in my account...



Waiting for european feedback, please

[magnet]

http://www.regnumonline.com.ar/forum/showpost.php?p=86718&postcount=37
http://www.regnumonline.com.ar/forum/showthread.php?t=12506

By the way I agree that it's outrageous, I'm just pointing out the existing threads already. NGD's excuse is that they are only perpetuating a practice already common to multinationals (akin to stealing imho).

[LenaRosemberg]

I don't now if it's common but my European card allow me to order things online in dollars (with a small penalty but would be more cheaper than 1 $ = 1 €). We should be allowed to pay in the money we want, or if my case is common, just remove the possibility to pay in euros.

By the way, I think it's illegal, two prices for the same product (since a Xim in Europe is the same as a Xim in US). Other multinationals have to face different costs for selling in different countries.

[magnet]

I don't now if it's common but my European card allow me to order things online in dollars (with a small penalty but would be more cheaper than 1 $ = 1 €). We should be allowed to pay in the money we want, or if my case is common, just remove the possibility to pay in euros.

Yes, the problem is that NGD set up Paypal so that depending your country of residence, you are forced to use a given devise.

[-Edge-]

Yes, the problem is that NGD set up Paypal so that depending your country of residence, you are forced to use a given devise.
Yes, I wonder when they are going to look into other methods of payment, phone, cellphone, cash, etc.

If they did more people like myself would have Xim available

[Froste]

If they did more people like myself would have Xim available

No you wouldn't, because you stopped playing, remember?

[NightTwix]

this has been discussed since the introduction of Xim.

NGD's opinion is that Euro based countries have a higher buying power than Dollar based countries.
Which is of course true for some but not for all. Anyway, they had to draw a line somewhere and so they decided to lump together whole europe (probably Paypal plays a role there too.

I personally can understand that you cant micromanage every detail and consider the GDP of every single country.
No doubt i would prefer to pay in Dollar too *lol* and also no doubt that there would be a higher Xim revenue in europe if it was equally priced

but its NGD's decision so be it

[magnet]

No you wouldn't, because you stopped playing, remember?

He said that he would have Xim available, not that he would buy it :bangin:.

[_dracus_]

this has been discussed since the introduction of Xim.

NGD's opinion is that Euro based countries have a higher buying power than Dollar based countries.
Which is of course true for some but not for all. Anyway, they had to draw a line somewhere and so they decided to lump together whole europe (probably Paypal plays a role there too.

I personally can understand that you cant micromanage every detail and consider the GDP of every single country.
No doubt i would prefer to pay in Dollar too *lol* and also no doubt that there would be a higher Xim revenue in europe if it was equally priced

but its NGD's decision so be it

This is totally lame from them IMHO. Dollar country have less buying power ... never heard something THAT stupid.

[Leadoffhitter]

http://www.regnumonline.com.ar/forum/showpost.php?p=86718&postcount=37
http://www.regnumonline.com.ar/forum/showthread.php?t=12506

By the way I agree that it's outrageous, I'm just pointing out the existing threads already. NGD's excuse is that they are only perpetuating a practice already common to multinationals (akin to stealing imho).

Even "evil" Microsoft is changing that policy: (I know you understand spanish)

http://www.emol.com/noticias/tecnolo...noticia=272596

Yes, the problem is that NGD set up Paypal so that depending your country of residence, you are forced to use a given devise.

Exactly!

I personally can understand that you cant micromanage every detail and consider the GDP of every single country.
No doubt i would prefer to pay in Dollar too *lol* and also no doubt that there would be a higher Xim revenue in europe if it was equally priced

It's possible, and it wouldn't take too much time (hours to decide the currency exchange and change every way of payment). I'm used to PayPal online sale system and it allows it.

NGD's opinion is that Euro based countries have a higher buying power than Dollar based countries.

Level of life in the States is waaaaaaaay higher than in my country.

[magnet]

Even "evil" Microsoft is changing that policy: (I know you understand spanish)

http://www.emol.com/noticias/tecnolo...noticia=272596


But I don't understand broken links :crying1:

[Ertial]

It's indeed wrong in my eyes.

But the USA are the 2nd and 1th world in one country, whereas in the EU we've just got the 1th world(except for some parts in the East, sorry Stooge. :P But I think we don't have that slums they've got in LA.) . I don't think those people in the poor parts (or what's remaining of that) in New Orleans can pay $ 20 for such a thing. I even doubt if they can afford a computer at all. A fact is that you have to work harder in the USA than in the EU. There is almost no social care, when you lose your job you're lost. That is something that justifies the price changes. But it doesn't justify why we should pay that much more. When it will be cheaper I think more people will buy it and more income will be generated.

[chilko]

There are normal reasons for multinationals doing this...

you need to measure things not in terms of exchange rate but in terms of purchase power. The problem is that there are subtle differences in terms of purchase power inside Europe... comparing Spain to Germany for example.

But please, do not blame us for you guys adopting a single currency and becoming a new economic superpower. :)

Purchase power apparently is still 1 to 1. This is why if you compare the price of very tipical mass market products such as a big Mac, or luxury products such as th I pod usually have the same 1 to 1 ratio.
Look at the price of games, consoles, subscriptions, magazines, etc.

Also let me clear some facts.

Fact 1:
when we decided on this parity, the Euro was 1,25 dollars only.

Fact 2:
This is not going to be like this for a long time, the Dollar its already climbing back again.

Fact 3:
Argentina has had a real inflation of about 20% in the last year, also salaries have been raised more than that in the same period. We are not adding those higher costs to the price of the premium content either.

best regards,

- Chilko

PD: There is no evil plot to screw anyone here, its just the way it is and we are in no position to make it better. This also allowed for Vivendi to buy Sierra next Blizzard and later Activision, i don't see any Europeans complaining about that ;)

[Leadoffhitter]

But I don't understand broken links :crying1:

Page no longer available, Elrik. :crying1:

http://www.gameover.es/destacados/bajada-de-precio-oficial-de-la-xbox-360.html

Arcade pack is aroud 300 $ in the states, if I'm not wrong.

:bangin:

[LenaRosemberg]

Can't you make the prices in pesos and let Paypal manage the currency conversion ?

[Leadoffhitter]

It's indeed wrong in my eyes.

But the USA are the 2nd and 1th world in one country, whereas in the EU we've just got the 1th world(except for some parts in the East, sorry Stooge. :P But I think we don't have that slums they've got in LA.) . I don't think those people in the poor parts (or what's remaining of that) in New Orleans can pay $ 20 for such a thing. I even doubt if they can afford a computer at all. A fact is that you have to work harder in the USA than in the EU. There is almost no social care, when you lose your job you're lost. That is something that justifies the price changes. But it doesn't justify why we should pay that much more. When it will be cheaper I think more people will buy it and more income will be generated.

Socio degree in here; I know how States are, but it's their gouvernment decision not having social security or an education system that creates such differences, nothing to do with companies selling products on Internet, please.
Working to pay my bills (house, food, water, electricity, internet...) and the difference, it's important. Maybe in Netherlands is different, and it's not that important to you. :wink:

Purchase power apparently is still 1 to 1. This is why if you compare the price of very tipical mass market products such as a big Mac, or luxury products such as th I pod usually have the same 1 to 1 ratio.
Look at the price of games, consoles, subscriptions, magazines, etc.

Please chilko, take a look at the link about Microsoft Consoles...

Fact 2:
This is not going to be like this for a long time, the Dollar its already climbing back again.

That's not a fact chilko, it is a prediction that nobody knows how it will finish. Markets fluctuates. :thumb:

Fact 3:
Argentina has had a real inflation of about 20% in the last year, also salaries have been raised more than that in the same period. We are not adding those higher costs to the price of the premium content either.

Happy to read that, because I've always think that argentinian players could have more problems, and as I already explained in the letter I sent to NGD (I suppose you've already read it) it's important that they continue in the project all the way.

Multinationals are reacting because the difference is clearly unfair, as you can see in the link...

we are in no position to make it better
Imho, yes, you are. Paypal allows to make those changes.

Regards.

[BlooD]

Well i really thougth all people knew about this, since ancient times all companies do the change $=euro and i know a lot of people who import every new console or videogame instead of waiting for bad dubs and non-translated games.

In spain this is very usual, for the ones who dont know it half of europe come here to have parties. I meet (and tricked :/) a lot of people from europe who were amazed seeing how a beer its only a few more than 1 euro here and they need 20 euros in his country to have 4 beers.

Few days ago they talked in television about how many people is going to new york on holidays and they come with tons of cloths because are really cheap there.

And it is not because we earn a lot of money at work, its because we can perfectly live with less money because our prices are low too. For example my family live with around 900 euros per month and i am sure if i lived in germany or england i cant live with that amount of money.

And this will cahnge someday so there is no big deal, i dont see people from argentina complaining (well i see them but not much) about why they have to pay 60 pesos for 18k xymeril instead of 20.

Getting off-topic the thing who makes me really angry is EA doing stupid things against piracy, i mean, Mass Effects is now gold and i was going to buy it (bioware=gods) and they implemented drm so you cant installl it more than 5 times without calling EA support to validate it again. Now i am sure i will play the pirate version. Sorry but i had to say it.

[elendriel]

The problem is that when NGD introduced de the ximeryn, the difference between the dollar wan't so big as now. Even I remember that one year ago(the time that was introduced ximerin) even being more expensive the euro, as 1,3$=1€ there were more companies like Apple that made the change 1$=1€.

But nowadays the difference is so big, that inclusive Apple doesn't make this kind of change, changed the politics.

Even with that exchange the people critizied a lot the companies that did it, now is even more abusive, and should consider to change the exchange.

[elendriel]

Well i really thougth all people knew about this, since ancient times all companies do the change $=euro and i know a lot of people who import every new console or videogame instead of waiting for bad dubs and non-translated games.

In spain this is very usual, for the ones who dont know it half of europe come here to have parties. I meet (and tricked :/) a lot of people from europe who were amazed seeing how a beer its only a few more than 1 euro here and they need 20 euros in his country to have 4 beers.

Few days ago they talked in television about how many people is going to new york on holidays and they come with tons of cloths because are really cheap there.

And it is not because we earn a lot of money at work, its because we can perfectly live with less money because our prices are low too. For example my family live with around 900 euros per month and i am sure if i lived in germany or england i cant live with that amount of money.

And this will cahnge someday so there is no big deal, i dont see people from argentina complaining (well i see them but not much) about why they have to pay 60 pesos for 18k xymeril instead of 20.

Getting off-topic the thing who makes me really angry is EA doing stupid things against piracy, i mean, Mass Effects is now gold and i was going to buy it (bioware=gods) and they implemented drm so you cant installl it more than 5 times without calling EA support to validate it again. Now i am sure i will play the pirate version. Sorry but i had to say it.
With 900€ per month you don't live where I live, and I live in Spain. And the cost of the life is equiparable to the one in Germany or other richer countries, living there with a salary much inferior. I'm talking about Mallorca, and the salaries aren't very big.

So going back to the topic, although a lot of companies do this kind of theft, it isn't a tolerable practice.

[-Edge-]

No you wouldn't, because you stopped playing, remember?
Maybe one of the reason I would be active in the game fluctuates on the fact that I cannot purchase Ximerin, I would love to buy it. :bangin:

[BlooD]

With 900€ per month you don't live where I live, and I live in Spain. And the cost of the life is equiparable to the one in Germany or other richer countries, living there with a salary much inferior. I'm talking about Mallorca, and the salaries aren't very big.


I dont rent house, i have a very bad car and i cant have luxuries but i can live here without problems. But i have luck i am sure of it, if i have money problems i just have to ask family.

I have a petium 4 2.66 with 512 ram so you can imagine i am not the kind of guy who have all what he ask xD.

[Miraculix]

PD: There is no evil plot to screw anyone here

I'd say the base xp reduction did just that, to everyone :p

[UmarilsStillHere]

I'd say the base xp reduction did just that, to everyone :p
LOL! [dies] :eguitar:

[chilko]

in any case, we look at things differently...

our main market is Europe... so, princes where initially considered in Euro.

Right now the dollar and the peso are lower so it is cheaper to buy in the states or in Argentina. we are perceiving less income from those regions.

It is not that it has become more expensive to people from Europe... it just got less expensive for Americans.

best regards,

- Chilko

[Leadoffhitter]

Well i really thougth all people knew about this

Not me. :smile:
Anyway, It's clearly unfair and as I already posted, even Microsoft is changing it.

In spain this is very usual, for the ones who dont know it half of europe come here to have parties.

Exactly, we don't put 5 euros per beer to foreigners, don't we? We keep the price for them too. I am spanish.

a lot of people from europe who were amazed seeing how a beer its only a few more than 1 euro here and they need 20 euros in his country to have 4 beers

That's because: 1.- taxes over alcohol are less in our country, because our culture is different. Our weather allows people to be more time in the street. If any politic increases prices to other countries he should increases salaries too, isn't it. Btw if someone do that it's time for get him out of power or huge revolution and you know it.
2.- Salaries?

Few days ago they talked in television about how many people is going to new york on holidays and they come with tons of cloths because are really cheap there.

These comparisons are out of place in my opinion. This is virtual space, no costs or expenses in the products to arrive to other countries. No ship or plane needed to transport the product. No more taxes to be paid because of it.

And it is not because we earn a lot of money at work, its because we can perfectly live with less money because our prices are low too. For example my family live with around 900 euros per month and i am sure if i lived in germany or england i cant live with that amount of money.

Are you telling to me that our power of purchase is the same than in germany or england, relatively? That we can buy as much as they do? That we can travel as much as they do? Mmmmmmm, come on. :wink:

And this will cahnge someday so there is no big deal, i dont see people from argentina complaining (well i see them but not much) about why they have to pay 60 pesos for 18k xymeril instead of 20.

As I already written argentinian people is a major concern for me on this. My letter has its place for them. They're paying 3 pesos per dolar, the currency exchange is 1 US $ = 3.146 right now. Even if that's the best currency exchange of all it's too much for them. But what people is paying in euros is crazy, comparing to others. THAT is a fact.

[BlooD]

Are you telling to me that our power of purchase is the same than in germany or england, relatively? That we can buy as much as they do? That we can travel as much as they do? Mmmmmmm, come on. :wink:


Thats the whole point, its like that because gives us a lot of income, if we had beers at 5 euros they will not drink that much. Its great for them and us.

Same with xymeril, 20 euros is not much for us but is great for them.

[Leadoffhitter]

in any case, we look at things differently...

With all due respect, it's just mathematics. And they say it's more expensive for europeans to play from the beginning (even with 1 = 1.25 exchange).

It is not that it has become more expensive to people from Europe... it just got less expensive for Americans.

Well, from the beginning was 1=1.25, so it was more expensive for europeans... Mmmmm, company is stated in Argentina. So, huge profit because of this, but unfair prices to customers. Another real fact, chilko. :wink:

I hope this is not your last word about this issue, because this is a real huge bug.

Best regards.

[Leadoffhitter]

Thats the whole point, its like that because gives us a lot of income, if we had beers at 5 euros they will not drink that much. Its great for them and us.

Same with xymeril, 20 euros is not much for us but is great for them.

I've been living in France and I can tell you that rent is cheaper over there (and that's one of the main expenses for any home) and salaries are higher. Blood, savings in Spain are less than in those countries you talk about, and that's because we can't afford the same expenses. Cars are usually a good indicator for economies. Yours is old? :wink: (and you don't pay rent!)

Low prices on alcohol shows most of the time less power purchase.

How is it possible that everybody pays more or less the same price, but europeans? Why? :confused:

[fluffy_muffin]

Same with xymeril, 20 euros is not much for us but is great for them.

I don't know when we will have euro in Poland. Now i have to exchange zloty on euro.
1 EUR = 3.3930 złotych
1 USD = 2.1758 złotych

[elendriel]

I dont rent house, i have a very bad car and i cant have luxuries but i can live here without problems. But i have luck i am sure of it, if i have money problems i just have to ask family.

I have a petium 4 2.66 with 512 ram so you can imagine i am not the kind of guy who have all what he ask xD.
I didn't tell it, I told that is incredible that you can live with that ammount of incoming, in Mallorca with that ammount difficultly you arrive to the end of month.

[BlooD]

Low prices on alcohol shows most of the time less power purchase.

How is it possible that everybody pays more or less the same price, but europeans? Why? :confused:

You missed my point, i know we have less pruchase power, but i am just comparing us and europe to make a comparison between europe and argentina.

Take it like this, 18k xymeril = 20 euros. Thats the price.
If you make sudamericans pay the same amount we pay, that will be very bad for them because they dont have our purchase power.

They are not making it hard for us, they are making it easier for them. And i think thats perfect.

[Leadoffhitter]

You missed my point, i know we have less pruchase power, but i am just comparing us and europe to make a comparison between europe and argentina.

Take it like this, 18k xymeril = 20 euros. Thats the price.
If you make sudamericans pay the same amount we pay, that will be very bad for them because they dont have our purchase power.

They are not making it hard for us, they are making it easier for them. And i think thats perfect.

I'm gonna send you a copy on private message of the letter I wrote to NGD because for me argentinians (whole sudamerica, you're right) are very important to the game and they should be allowed to get premium, but what's going on with us is crazy.

But, have canadians, northamericans, aussies that problems? No, they have more purchase power and they are paying the same than argentinians. It's just europeans who are paying more, way more for the same product, without any more costs who could explain it. Why?

[chilko]

This is my last post on this matter.

This is not a bug. This is a commercial decision.
Most of the income made in Europe is from Germany which is handled by a partner. The Euro pricing is impossible to change for us.
The only thing that we could do to make things "more fair" would be to raise the price in Dollars and Pesos.

Do you think that makes things better?

I hope the Dollar (and the Peso) starts climbing again... so i could go to Europe in the future and be able to pay for a 5 Euro beer :)

Regards,

- Chilko

PS: Even when our salaries are in Pesos (close to what a maid might do in Europe) and we are still not making enough money to sustain the game I have to discuss about the fairness of our super-cheap premium content.
I am getting tired of having to discuss business models with the community. /me goes back to work on Regnum.

[Leadoffhitter]

This is my last post on this matter.

This is not a bug. This is a commercial decision.
Most of the income made in Europe is from Germany which is handled by a partner. The Euro pricing is impossible to change for us.
The only thing that we could do to make things "more fair" would be to raise the price in Dollars and Pesos.

Do you think that makes things better?

I hope the Dollar (and the Peso) starts climbing again... so i could go to Europe in the future and be able to pay for a 5 Euro beer :)

Regards,

- Chilko

PS: Even when our salaries are in Pesos (close to what a maid might do in Europe) and we are still not making enough money to sustain the game I have to discuss about the fairness of our super-cheap premium content.
I am getting tired of having to discuss business models with the community. /me goes back to work on Regnum.

Ok, it seems Gamigo wouldn't allow NGD to make changes on prices because Muspell and the other server would be empty in hours. Maybe, maybe not.

Now with the raising...
It seems like kinda menace, unfortunately. And it's like making every dolar user hating a player that is proposing things that you know are pretty fair. Nobody asked for a raising and you know it, it seems you're just putting some pressure on.

The beer... In Spain you won't have that problem. You'll got it for an euro (this is not Germany, you know?). If you come to Madrid I will invite you for sure. But without any supplement charges!! :wink:

Super-cheap and less super-cheap, chilko. Unfortunately.

Yup, my last vacation day will soon be over. So I will go back to my work too, tomorrow. I have to squeeze my brains for increasing our decreasing sales on Internet without increasing prices!

Regards.

[Inkster]

I am getting tired of having to discuss business models with the community. /me goes back to work on Regnum.


Were not just the community, were are also in some cases Paying customers. Also

actually NGD has signed a very big development deal that will sustain the company for a long time.

We have decided to invest most of that money into Regnum, expanding the team, buying more servers, etc.


if this is the case then why

and we are still not making enough money to sustain the game

[sathilda]

There won't be some change... until 2 USD = 1 EUR, and if our future new comers in Eurozone continues their uber economical growth, it's expected to be in some years. All of that because the price of Oil that will fatally increases. Recession in US will be hard to fix...

As a matter of fact, many analysis concerning USD vs EUR plan 1 EUR = 1.75 USD for the end of the year.

It's not to NGD to change, the future will do it alone. Even if it's unfair i agree.

[CumeriTarenes]

Fact 2:
This is not going to be like this for a long time, the Dollar its already climbing back again.

Look at the chart I posted. Make a chart analysis and check your argument again


Also I cannot realy understand the discussion about purchase power:

The amount of money is still the same. It does not matter if you have 1€ or 1,6$. The value of both is the same at the moment since you can change currency in every bank.

If NGD wants to be realy fair they would make a fixed price for one Xymerin in one currency. Every customer who wants to buy Xymerin in another currency has to pay for the same value of money. An example: NGD says 18000 Xymerin cost 20€. Then, if you want to pay in Dollars they look how the €/$ ratio is. If the ratio is 1:1,6 you have to pay 32$ for 18000 Xymerin.

If the ratio is only 1:1,25 you have to pay 25$

This is the only way to make sure everybody pays the same amount of money. Trading Xymerin is the same kind of product like a stock. The stock has the same value all over the world, like 18000 Xymerin have the same value in whole regnum, no matter where you are from. Stocks are also something virtuel, means you don't have to transport or to produce it, just like Xymerin.
If I buy a stock from mircosoft in New York or London, the value of money I have to pay is the same in both places because the product I get has the same value in both places. too.

Doing it the way I suggested is the only way for NGD do make their income independent from currency ratios.

[chilko]

Regnum is still not sustainable by itself
we are investing much more money to try to make the game better and hopefully, sustainable...
We just can't subsidize the game forever...
Please stop with this discussion.

regards,

- Chilko

[Angelwinged_Devil]

Regnum is still not sustainable by itself
we are investing much more money to try to make the game better and hopefully, sustainable...
We just can't subsidize the game forever...
Please stop with this discussion.

regards,

- Chilko
heh, I understand where you're going, but you need to listen to the community as this is the feedback you get, if a company fails to answer the feedback with their product they will simply go down.

Also another thing, you are talking about purchasing power? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think it's the companys responsibility to change this, but to make fair prizings and be neutral on that matter?

Thanks for your responses

[magnet]

heh, I understand where you're going, but you need to listen to the community as this is the feedback you get, if a company fails to answer the feedback with their product they will simply go down.

Also another thing, you are talking about purchasing power? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think it's the companys responsibility to change this, but to make fair prizings and be neutral on that matter?

Thanks for your responses

FFS will you let go of it?

Personally I don't like the arguments such as "huge multinationals do this". I don't give a flying fuck about the fact that they do it, why do they? To balance costs over America, Europe and Asia -- to make Europeans pay for American and Asians lower budgets (and personally my solidarity doesn't go as far as to help fat American kids get Xboxes or iPods). But chilko was honest enough and cut through the BS (business speak :p): they need money, European players are their largest market (esp with Muspell and Niffelheim I guess) so they are not going to change this. I don't think it would be fair for Argentines to get the Xim price raised; as for Canadians and Americans, I guess it should be more expensive in their zone, but that would only generate more whining over here I guess. It would be "fair" in the sense of Euro players would pay the same as them, but personally I don't care if it's more expensive or cheaper for others if MY OWN price is not gonna change.

I think NGD was stuck in a vicious circle with Regnum previously: no sponsors, no money, and a buggy game in a beta stage which can hardly get you enough sponsors or money. They are trying hard to get out of it and set the game on a proper development road, and I'm looking forward to it.

Instead of constantly whining for a game you never put a cent in, how about YOU buy some Xim as support even if you don't use it? For now I've only seen you post stuff such as "if you do this, I'll buy Xim". This is not how things work, they need money first so they can implement stuff. And regarding the "I can't buy Xim" argument, trust me there is always a way if you want it hard enough.

Yes, this is bad that Euro players pay higher, but Xim is a virtual currency and NGD is the sole seller. That's how it is. For me the main problem right now is that it seems we can't get our Xim since almost one week and we still don't have an answer. Not the price of the Xim.

So just let go of it, be happy that you got an honest explanation, end of story and buy some Xim -- if everyone did maybe it would be cheaper.

[LenaRosemberg]

if everyone did maybe it would be cheaper.

Or maybe if it was cheaper more people would do it :)

[magnet]

Or maybe if it was cheaper more people would do it :)

I don't think so, people can buy 5€ of Xim right now. They don't buy because they decided not to. There is a psychological step in spending money on the game and it has little to do with the actual cost of Xim. However the cost of Xim has to do with how many people buy it, because NGD set it to cover expenses mostly, not to make outrageously high benefits (which they obviously don't).

[Crowbane]

Chilko just to let you know that some of us do think you are doing your best. Maybe more than just some :). I don't care about the comparative price of xim and i will be getting some soon so i can have a horse and get my other characters lvled.

Good luck with dealing with the stress..... as far as I am concerned Regnum still rocks and I will still recommend my friends to play it.

Dudes let the guy get on with his job. Things can only get better.

Regards
Landriel

[Blaine]

a lot of people from europe who were amazed seeing how a beer its only a few more than 1 euro here and they need 20 euros in his country to have 4 beers.

Long live 1 liter Mahou! :beerchug:
I know exactly what are you talking about - actually in Prague it's less than 1 Euro for a beer and also the incomes are less than in other countries, because the price of money is higher here (smaller wages, cheaper goods(not all))
so 20 Euro is more money for me, than for ie. English/French/German/... guys
I don't envy anything to anybody (we have the best and cheapest beer in the world :theking:) but I earn 20 euros in 4-5 hours as a part-time programmer, others can have it much faster

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Long live 1 liter Mahou!
I know exactly what are you talking about - actually in Prague it's less than 1 Euro for a beer and also the incomes are less than in other countries, because the price of money is higher here (smaller wages, cheaper goods(not all))
so 20 Euro is more money for me, than for ie. English/French/German/... guys
I don't envy anything to anybody (we have the best and cheapest beer in the world) but I earn 20 euros in 4-5 hours as a part-time programmer, others can have it much faster

PIVOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO :beerchug: :beerchug: :beerchug:
Actually in Prague it's expensive, in Kutna Hora I had a pint of beer for 12 crowns! At the time it was less than 50 eurocents....... :superpusso:
(but sorry it's not the best beer, only the cheapest -- but it's very very light).

[Blaine]

PIVOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Actually in Prague it's expensive, in Kutna Hora I had a pint of beer for 12 crowns! At the time it was less than 50 eurocents.......
(but sorry it's not the best beer, only the cheapest -- but it's very very light).
12Kč/beer? that's a very little villages' price or maybe a few years ago
ad. very very light - you can buy here beers from 10 degrees (3,7%alc) to 27 degrees (like stronger wine - 13-14%alc :eek24:)

we have one of the longest traditions of beer brewing and Czech Rep. consumes every year the largest amount of beer per head (including babies) in the world (some years are lucky and we consume the absolutely largest amount (CZ population 10M)), followed by Denmark, Germany (Oktoberfest pwns) and US and A (not sure about the order)
You must try some of the premium lagers from the biggest breweries (Pilsner Urquell, Budweiser Budvar, Staropramen, Krušovice, Bernard) and then consider the quality

Now it looks like a "Visit CZ!" advertisement, so why not add more - we also consume one of the largest amounts of marihuana (unofficially, because it's not legal) and produce a lot of high quality Absinth

Hell I'm living in paradise! :fingers: If only the Xymerin were cheaper...

I think this post should be moved into the Inn, I will move myself there after work :beerchug:

Everyone who excuses me for writing these bullproducts :imstupid: will be spared in the WZ one time...maybe
I apologize for offtopic

[klixon]

ooooooooooh goody... absinth

Send me a case! :bounce:

[fluffy_muffin]

You must try some of the premium lagers from the biggest breweries Pilsner Urquell, Budweiser Budvar

My love :D

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You must try some of the premium lagers from the biggest breweries (Pilsner Urquell, Budweiser Budvar, Staropramen, Krušovice, Bernard) and then consider the quality


Trust me I took the Pivo tour but the sad reality is that you guys don't compete with Belgian and Irish beer :D. Don't worry no one competes with these bastards, they are beer gods. But you guys have the cheapest beer it's good enough for me :). Btw I love Czech Republic and especially Prague, definitely one of the best Euro cities.

[Blaine]

Trust me I took the Pivo tour but the sad reality is that you guys don't compete with Belgian and Irish beer :D. Don't worry no one competes with these bastards, they are beer gods. But you guys have the cheapest beer it's good enough for me :). Btw I love Czech Republic and especially Prague, definitely one of the best Euro cities.

Thanks for your praiseful words, it makes me feel very proud...
Oooooh, Belgian beer? I thought they only make some experimantal liquids called Cherry beer, Banana beer, Pineapple beer but that has nothing to do with beer :superpusso: (joking)
OK, no arguing about personal opinions and preferences, let's let the decision for later maybe in some pub...

I love your country, France, too...
Je veux visiter France en ma 406 cet ete, principalement le sud (Marseille, Provence), le ouest (fete de Bayonne) et je veux retourner a travers Paris, parce que je l'ai pas jamais visite
Et une chose importante - votre Merlot de pays d'Oc est mon vin le plus aimé :wub2:

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Thanks for your praiseful words, it makes me feel very proud...
Oooooh, Belgian beer? I thought they only make some experimantal liquids called Cherry beer, Banana beer, Pineapple beer but that has nothing to do with beer :superpusso: (joking)
OK, no arguing about personal opinions and preferences, let's let the decision for later maybe in some pub...

Belgian beers of Abbaye are really tasty -- try out Leffe, Chimay, Grimbergen, etc. They have tons of beer without any additive.


I love your country, France, too...
Je veux visiter France en ma 406 cet ete, principalement le sud (Marseille, Provence), le ouest (fete de Bayonne) et je veux retourner a travers Paris, parce que je l'ai pas jamais visite
Et une chose importante - votre Merlot de pays d'Oc est mon vin le plus aimé :wub2:
Hehe, I'm from Paris but I currently live in Toulouse, and yeah I've been to the feria of Bayonne, good fun there but I'm getting old for that kind of stuff :D. I did it a few years ago and it's a place where civilization ceased to be and we're back to the stone age. Around 5am about everyone is running naked in the street or throwing out.. each year people die by drowning too. Merlot isn't bad, true :D.

[Blaine]

Around 5am about everyone is running naked in the street or throwing out.. each year people die by drowning too.
jumping over burning cars, making love in public, ...
I know, I was there 3 years ago :thumb:

[Phreddy]

Well this is retarted for sure. I could give my old bike for some xim, I think it's even worth more than 30 euros.

But then again, the seller is not the stupid one, the buyer is.

[Boger]

Elrik, you should come to poland to check out our beers, imho they beat up irish ones, dunno about the belgian ;D

[UmarilsStillHere]

so we gone from NGD ripping off europeans to bear wars :theking: