German users cannot use this forum

[CumeriTarenes]

Since the forums are moderated recently I bring this topic up again.

As a german user (and I guess people from austria and switzerland too) you are redirected to Gamigo when you want to register for the game. This gamigo account does not allow you to use the international forum.

Please fix this NGD, I know many german users from german servers who want to use this forums, too. But they cannot even look at attachments, i.g. screenshoots.

[SoulTaker1]

Since the forums are moderated recently I bring this topic up again.

As a german user (and I guess people from austria and switzerland too) you are redirected to Gamigo when you want to register for the game. This gamigo account does not allow you to use the international forum.

Please fix this NGD, I know many german users from german servers who want to use this forums, too. But they cannot even look at attachments, i.g. screenshoots.


i agree i would like to talk to my duestch friends without trying to spam the chat window with google translate crap. xD but true dought rearely.

and i realy wana meet new ppl and actualy feel the languege barier.

[-Edge-]

How does that work exactly? Maybe it depends if you register via Gamingo and not the International Database.

I do see German users on these forums of course, but I guess Cumeri the problem is that NGD does not have anything to do with the German servers, from my understanding, I could be wrong, Gamingo handles everything, registered users, the servers, their forums.

They do not send any of the user data to NGD.

(I could be wrong)

[CumeriTarenes]

yes, edge, gamigo does not sent the user data from german players to NGD. This is the proplem. The german users you see here in forums either are here before you were redirected to gamigo when they registered for the game or they used a non german proxy server to be not redirected to gamigo.

But every german user who created once a gamigo account and wants to use this forum here is forced to create a second account via proxy server. And a second account is obviously against the rules if I am not mistaken.

[Wyatt]

Gamigo only manages the gamigo community for the game as far as I know which includes gamigo payment systems and forum. NGD Studios manages the german servers (Updates, server maintenance, etc).

People who register thru Gamigo are Gamigo & NGD Studios customers, and people that registered through here on the official site and not via gamigo are NGD Studios Customers.

I could be wrong, But I think thats how they work.

would be nice to get a official answer on the matter thought.

Regards

[ncvr]

Gamigo only manages the gamigo community for the game as far as I know which includes gamigo payment systems and forum. NGD Studios manages the german servers (Updates, server maintenance, etc).

People who register thru Gamigo are Gamigo & NGD Studios customers, and people that registered through here on the official site and not via gamigo are NGD Studios Customers.

I could be wrong, But I think thats how they work.

would be nice to get a official answer on the matter thought.

Regards
Than maybe it's time Gamigo takes a little less control over German players...

[padreigh]

Merging this two could be ugly, no idea if names are unique in all servers (RA,Muspel, ...)

[CumeriTarenes]

yes, it would be kinda bad when you can have same usernames on german servers and on international server. That would cause a lot of trouble.

But I still cannot see the point, why german users should not be able to post here.

The way it is now it is intented, that no german user is allowed to use this forums. It is called international server, even if germans have 2 own servers. ANd you can play on international server too with an Gamigo account, but you cannot enter the forums.

NGD, can you respond here, please. I also asked Gamigo via forum and email about this issue but got no response.

[One]

Since the forums are moderated recently I bring this topic up again.

As a german user (and I guess people from austria and switzerland too) you are redirected to Gamigo when you want to register for the game. This gamigo account does not allow you to use the international forum.

Please fix this NGD, I know many german users from german servers who want to use this forums, too. But they cannot even look at attachments, i.g. screenshoots.


I think Regnum Online is no more NGD, I've visited Gamigo RO site and I don't see on any page NGD name, it looks like Gamigo is considering RO like his own game. That's why nothing has been fixed since many months. Backe had almost right what he wrote in some other thread.

[CumeriTarenes]

I think Regnum Online is no more NGD, I've visited Gamigo RO site and I don't see on any page NGD name, it looks like Gamigo is considering RO like his own game. That's why nothing has been fixed since many months. Backe had almost right what he wrote in some other thread.


actually I wonder too why I never get an answer neither from Gamigo or NGD. Is this issue something you don't want to talk about NGD? I am pretty sure gamemod read it. I feel like it is an unwanted question.

[CumeriTarenes]

Why do you ignore this issue NGD? Why don't you answer? I am pretty sure someone from NGD read it, but still no response. This is so poor from you.

You don't allow people from a certain country to log in in these forums. Who says this is the forum of the server Ra only? I never read this. It is the forum of the RPG Regnum Online. People who play it on a german server are playing the same game too. But they cannot use the official forum of regnum online as it seems.

One question tough: Why are german players allowed to play on Ra at all? When we are allowed to play there we are part of the community of this server. But we cannot take part on the community since we are not allowed to use these forums? How can a german player on Ra talk with players from other realms? There is no way for him....well, they could meet on test server, lol

But again, it is that poor from you to ignore this problem, NGD. I cannot express how disappointed I feel, it's realy bad from you not to response here. But hell yeah, € for Xymerin you accept from german users on Ra, but they cannot write here in forums.

[Froste]

One question tough: Why are german players allowed to play on Ra at all?

Because people bitched and whined and moaned when the gamigo deal went live, you know it wasn't possible in the beginning. As for the forum, gamigo users should be using the gamigo forum, the proper channels. You're starting to get awfully rude just because you're not getting what you want Cumeri, so chill.

[CumeriTarenes]

So you support the idea that germans cannut use this forum, Froste?


As for the forum, gamigo users should be using the gamigo forum, the proper channels.


As a german you are forced to be a Gamigo user, you cannot decide if you want to be a NGD or a Gamigo user. That's the point. I don't mind if you have to register at Gamigo or not, but since you have to it should be possible to use the official forums of Regnum Online. And this is the community forum of regnum online, and not the community forum of the Server Ra.

I don't get awfully rude, I am just sad about the ignorance of NGD, and as it seems of you.

[-Edge-]

actually I wonder too why I never get an answer neither from Gamigo or NGD. Is this issue something you don't want to talk about NGD? I am pretty sure gamemod read it. I feel like it is an unwanted question.
Like One said, I belive NGD's deal with Gamigo is very... stressed, its kind of like what you showed in that one thread Cumeri, the German servers are completely opposite, but you see the moderators can do whatever the hell they want, I would not be suprised if they had the ability to add land aswell.

Imo its kind of like Moparscape (the dump of runescape) its a ripped version where you can do whatever you want. Thats what I feel is going on with Gamigo Regnum

I think the terms in their contract was simply a version of Regnum was bought by Gamigo, and its basically their game in a view.

[Froste]

So you support the idea that germans cannut use this forum, Froste?


Are you on crack? You make up a completely false assertion and dress it up like a question oozing in pathos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathos). There are plenty of germans on this forum and playing Ra, but I disagree with the notion that all Gamigo users should have automatic access here: A lot of germans don't speak english and would rather stay on a german forum, which is where Gamigo and their forums come in to the picture. What on earth is the point of creating such redundancy when Gamigo already serves this purpose?

[CumeriTarenes]

There are plenty of germans on this forum and playing Ra

Yes, users who either registered before you were redirected to Gamigo or users who created a second account via proxy server.


but I disagree with the notion that all Gamigo users should have automatic access here:

This is the official forum of regnum online. German users, no matter if they play on german server or not still play regnum online. For this they should have access to the official forum of regnum online.


A lot of germans don't speak english and would rather stay on a german forum, which is where Gamigo and their forums come in to the picture.

Yeah, a lot of germans don't speak english. Actually most german users do, I am pretty sure about this.


What on earth is the point of creating such redundancy when Gamigo already serves this purpose?

When I make a suggestion on gamigo forum, or I discuss about balance there I am pretty sure NGD will read it...aren't you? If gamigo reads it or not, gamigo is no developer, they only distrubute the game in germany. For this they made an own german forum. And every user from NGD can register in gamigo forum but no gamigo user can register in this forum.
I even got a pm in gamigo forum:

Hi Cumeri!

Bin auch daran interessiert, im NGD Forum schreiben zu können. Ich will mir aber keinen 2.ten Account anlegen, weil ich dann einen Doppelaccount habe und das ja verboten wurde von Gamigo.

Könntest du mir vielleicht einen Gefallen tun und in folgendem Thread einen Post setzen, damit das wieder beachtet wird? Ich habe schon ein Bug-Report bei NGD geschrieben, aber leider ist noch nichts passiert.

BUG with AURAS

http://regnumonlinegame.com/forum/sh...ad.php?t=24161

Ungefährer Text:

"Is this a bug or a feature, that only 3 auras at the same time work? If a knight have 3 active auras, they can not recieve a fourth or more. In the german forum at gamigo there is another thread about this: http://regnum-forum.gamigo.de/showthread.php?t=3362 Please take a quick statement."

Danke für die Aufmerksamkeit und deine Mühe.

MfG



He says he is interested in NGD forum but he is afraid of creating a second account because it is not allowed and breaks the rules. He already wrote a bug report to NGD but he got no response, so he asks me to post something in a certain thread to make NGD listen to what he has to say.

You see, german users want to use this forums, but they cannot. And that is poor. But even more poor is that NGD still did not response here. gamemod, I know you read this here, so where is the problem to response?

[save_the_trees]

Hey cumeri and everybody else,
I finally found some time to register here. Thumbs up for this post, something really has to be done. But I'm far too impatient to wait for NGD to fix this problem and I really doubt they ever will, .... so here I am :p

[CumeriTarenes]

Hey cumeri and everybody else,
I finally found some time to register here. Thumbs up for this post, something really has to be done. But I'm far too impatient to wait for NGD to fix this problem and I really doubt they ever will, .... so here I am :p


Sorry, but you are not allowed to post here since you have a Gamigo account. Creating a second account is against the terms of use. :sifflote:

Ups, I did the same than you...I suggest NGD to ban me maybe?

However, I will post here every day NGD until you response. :fury:

[magnet]

Sorry, but you are not allowed to post here since you have a Gamigo account. Creating a second account is against the terms of use. :sifflote:

Ups, I did the same than you...I suggest NGD to ban me maybe?

However, I will post here every day NGD until you response. :fury:

Whhhhhhhhat? Cumeri, you have 2 accounts? I'm shocked!

[CumeriTarenes]

Whhhhhhhhat? Cumeri, you have 2 accounts? I'm shocked!

yeah, I have 2 accounts. There is no other choice. Imagine I would have not created a second account via proxy....you would have never seen me writing here, you would have never seen all my awesome posts. :theking:

[niclam]

Hello,

Gamigo users, i.e. users coming from Germany, Austria and Switzerland, are handled by Gamigo. They have their own staff for community management, accounting and payment sytem.
Regarding the versions, I don't know exactly what you are refering to, but all the worlds are updated to the latest version (currently 0.9.32). So basically, there is no difference between them, except from the amount of Game Masters inside the game.

As a sidenote, users from Germany, Austria and Switzerland, prior to our deal with Gamigo, remain as "Regnum" users, that's why they can post on the forums with their regular accounts.

Regards

[CumeriTarenes]

As a sidenote, users from Germany, Austria and Switzerland, prior to our deal with Gamigo, remain as "Regnum" users, that's why they can post on the forums with their regular accounts.



Which forums do you talk about? These forums here?

No german user with a Gamigo account can log in in the forums.

I just tried to do it with my Gamigo account. I get the following message then:

You have entered an invalid username or password. Please press the back button, enter the correct details and try again. Don't forget that the password is case sensitive. Forgotten your password? Click here!

You have used 1 out of 5 login attempts. After all 5 have been used, you will be unable to login for 15 minutes.

Edit: fixed some typos

[niclam]

Gamigo users don't have a forum account associated here, but they can post on the Gamigo forums at http://regnum.gamigo.de/ where you can get proper community management in Deutsch.

Regards

[CumeriTarenes]

As a german user who plays on Ra, the international server, I don't want only proper community mamagement, I want the community itself I play with.

I don't know if you can understand german, but when I read the german forum I often think "oh my god" because they know almost nothing about the game. Just 2 weeks ago I think they talked about the spell "blame" which is regarding the spell description for german client still under development. They asked when it will be fixed and discussed about it. You know what this spell is? It's escapist which works a long time now as it should.

This is just one example, I often think "oh my god" when I read the german forums because they get almost no input in information from Gamigo nor NGD.

And, since NGD is not german I am pretty sure they are not aware of discussions about balance in german forums. They are not even aware of bugs, that's why I were asked to post something in the NGD forum for a Gamigo user.

I cannot see the point why german users should not be allowed to post here.
Spanish speaking people are allowed to post in english part of the forums as well, aren't they? But not germans....because they have their own...

I hope you will change your mind on this issue.


Edit: Thanks for responding anyways, i realy thought it will be ignored by you.
:hat: for responding :)

[Hellman2]

I have to agree with Cumeri.
I am from Germany and I am playing on Ra since I know the game (that was shorty after Gamigo provided it in germany).
I wanted to see, what the development is, wanted to find interantional friends, wanted to see some damned screenshots of this forum.
But as a german user, you only have the chance to create a second account here via some not german proxy. (Yeah it took me one hour to find some chinese proxy that let me trough). Now i have a second account with that i will never play, just for the forum.
As Cumeri describes already.. problems and suggestions in the german forum will possible never be read by NGD, because it is in german and that something is redirected and translated... i think possible hell will freeze before.

Adding a Bug in the development part on NGD side is possible with the gamigo account, but hey... i have 7 bugs reported long time ago (> 3 month)... still all on NEW. Some are already fixed, but who cares about a bug tracking tool for the public. The only chance to see, that there is some bug, is to describe it in the forum at NGD. At least you get a feedback sometimes there and you see some fixes if this is an priority bug.

Possible the only reason, why germans are not allowed here, is the kind of misterious contract done with Gamigo. But then I like to ask, why germans see the International servers at all to play on. Thats totally strange. Then they can stick to the german servers as well, so they are in their own world with their own german community.

[CumeriTarenes]

NGD, how can I as a user, who is forced to have a Gamigo account, participate in the community I play with?

It just makes no sence at all when I play on Ra but I cannot use this forums here....

On gamigo forum everybody can register, no matter where she/he is from, but in these forums german speaking people are excluded. It makes me feel sad...and it makes me even more sad that it is intented to be like this by NGD.

[Froste]

It just makes no sence at all when I play on Ra but I cannot use this forums here....

HOLY SHIT! If you can't use these forums, then who is that bitching on the forums in your name!?

Wow. Just wow. Your incessant pissing and moaning about everything astounds me. "Oh no! A completely different forum from the one I'm already registered on requires me to register again. Say it isn't so! Why aren't all forums in the whole wide intarwebben using regnum's login? That would make my poor poor miserable attention-whoring excuse for a life just a pinch better."

[CumeriTarenes]

HOLY SHIT! If you can't use these forums, then who is that bitching on the forums in your name!?

Wow. Just wow. Your incessant pissing and moaning about everything astounds me. "Oh no! A completely different forum from the one I'm already registered on requires me to register again. Say it isn't so! Why aren't all forums in the whole wide intarwebben using regnum's login? That would make my poor poor miserable attention-whoring excuse for a life just a pinch better."


Maybe you don't notice, but this thread is not about me. It is about every german speaking regnum user who cannot use tis forum without breaking with the terms of use of NGD and Gamigo.

I did break the terms of use, that's why i can post here, just like Hellmann2 and save_the_trees.

It is about a principe that every player who plays regnum should be able to register here.
But it is not, and when you don't understand this it is better say nothing and keep your ignorance at yourself.

All I want is giving people with a Gamigo account a chance to post here. And since you are forced to have a gamigo account when you are from Germany, Austria or Switzerland these people should not be forced to break the terms of use just to use the forums properly.

Sorry when I fight for equality of all players, no matter where they are from. Seems like you have a problem with this. All you do show here is personal ranting and ignorance towards problems of other users.

I just want to name a few german player who play on Ra, and who are not supposed to play these forums here since they are german speaking players:

Arkenion, Rana, Addaloe, Ente, Rolanda (almost whole gemran guardien clan), Vincent Vega (night twix), luthien, Eli, Hellman, Lord Trymon, Kathris Starsong, Running Gag, Ellyn the Wesp, Lord Trymon and many more. I just named a few well known characters.

All these and many others should not be able to post here according to NGD. Some of them have an old NGD account from times before NGD made the deal with Gamigo, some of them use a second account created via a non german proxy.

And also there are many german players on german servers who want to discuss about balance here, who want to ask questions here, who want to make a comment about the regnum comic ect. But they are not allowed to. This is what I want to change, but you, you Froste, claim I just cry for attention. Maybe it is you who does it when he posts here and has nothing to add to the topic other than personal rants?

[Froste]

Maybe you don't notice, but this thread is not about me.

I call bullshit! This thread is nothing more than your personal Righteous Crusade against the injustices you invent in your mind. And while you spend your time making an issue of it, the other germans are playing Ra enjoying the game, but poor poor Cumeri, alone in the fight against the oppressive NGD has to make his stand.

There are worthy causes to fight for in this world, this is NOT one of them.

[CumeriTarenes]

I call bullshit! This thread is nothing more than your personal Righteous Crusade against the injustices you invent in your mind. And while you spend your time making an issue of it, the other germans are playing Ra enjoying the game, but poor poor Cumeri, alone in the fight against the oppressive NGD has to make his stand.

There are worthy causes to fight for in this world, this is NOT one of them.


So you are saying I just invent this injustice in my mind, which means you think it is fair, that german players cannot use this forums.

And yes, I make an issue of it, because it is an issue, a serious one.
And if you look a bit better, I don't fight allone.

To all other players from germany, austria or switzerland: what do you think about it. Should you be able to post here or not?

[Froste]

So you are saying I just invent this injustice in my mind, which means you think it is fair, that german players cannot use this forums.

Again. In case you hadn't noticed, you are using the forums. So are many other germans. And many more are playing the game than are posting in the forum.

But you can't accept that, so you whine and bitch and moan.

So what if they have to register to post here? Most forums on the net require you to register in order to post. The only one making a big deal of registering for Ra specifically, is you.

I cannot play the german servers with my current account, but if I were inclined to go and play on Muspell and Nifl I'd sign up for a gamigo account, because you see, I would spend my time going to gamigo and getting an account instead of pissing and moaning about it on the forums.

The german servers are separated from the international servers. This is how it is. But you can make accounts on either one of them if you so choose. Some people do. Other people whine on forums about it.

[CumeriTarenes]

just no, you seem not to understand:


Again. In case you hadn't noticed, you are using the forums. So are many other germans. And many more are playing the game than are posting in the forum.

I had to create a NGD account to post here via non german proxy server. As a german user you are forced to get a gamigo account because you are redirected at Gamigo as soon as you click "register" on NGD website.



So what if they have to register to post here? Most forums on the net require you to register in order to post. The only one making a big deal of registering for Ra specifically, is you.

No, you don't have to register on these forums here. It is just impossible to just register on the forums. Only way is when you have a NGD regnum online game account. But this account you cannot get as a german user when you follow the way NGD wants germans to go. I would be glad if you could just register on the forums. But you cannot, that is the propblem. It would solve all problems because when you just have to register for forums when you have a gamigo account there is nothing bad. But in fact you have to create a second account via proxy...which is against the terms of use.


The german servers are separated from the international servers. This is how it is. But you can make accounts on either one of them if you so choose. Some people do. Other people whine on forums about it.

As a german user you cannot make accounts on either one of them, you are forced to create a gamigo account. I have no problem with that, I have a propblem that there is no legal way to join this forum as a german user.

Before you moan about me whining here you should get in your head what I am talking about first. And then you should think if it is fair that you cannot join the forums here as a german regnum player in a legal way.

[Froste]

Before you moan about me whining here you should get in your head what I am talking about first.
...
As a german user you cannot make accounts on either one of them


Oh I know exactly what you are talking about. You are saying that you don't exist on this forum, because german users cannot make accounts here.

LIES.

You have an account here. So do other germans.

What's the bloody problem?

http://www.fagotten.org/grifter/images/stfu.jpg

[CumeriTarenes]

Oh I know exactly what you are talking about. You are saying that you don't exist on this forum, because german users cannot make accounts here.

LIES.

You have an account here. So do other germans.

What's the bloody problem?

http://www.fagotten.org/grifter/images/stfu.jpg

Your picture is nice, but it belongs not to this part of the forum I guess.

However, you don't understand the issue: I talked about a legal way for everyone...without spending some hours to find a working non german proxy to register here. Every german regnum player should be able without the usage of a proxy server and without breaking the terms of use from NGD and Gamigo to join these forums. It is not about me at all. All I di is asking for all the german players that cannot enter the forums here because they are afraid to break the terms of use, because they don't have the knowledge how to find and how to use a proxy server. Damnit, is it so hard to understand, that german players should have access to the forums without hacking any rules?

[Froste]

It is not illegal to have multiple accounts, neither by german law nor argentinian law.

It does violate NGD's terms of service, but the TOS is ancient and obsolete, and really should be rewritten. This particular rule is not enforced. Like half the people on Ra have multiple accounts already, as I'm sure you are aware. Many (international) users have also created accounts with gamigo.

But clearly you are special. You can't just create an account and use it, you have to get political about it.

Make an account and play, or make an account and post on the forums, noone cares how many accounts you have, you just want to be difficult.

The NGD servers are separate from the Gamigo servers, and especially now that there might be conflicts with account names and character names, they are unable to be merged.

Use one account for gamigo's servers, use another account for NGD's servers. I don't think you understand that this is not going to change. The two are not going to merge. You will not be able to use your gamigo account on this forum, or vice versa. Throughout this thread you've posted "I want I want I want, oh NGD why aren't you answering me! I WANT! NGD ANSWER ME!", and when NGD finally does post, you become a petulant little child. Can you not understand that you have been given the only answer you're going to get?

If NGD ever changes their policy I'm sure they will let all of us know, but for now it doesn't really help to keep screaming for NGD's attention about how you want this to happen.

Why are you not understanding this?

[CumeriTarenes]

It is not illegal to have multiple accounts, neither by german law nor argentinian law.

It is against the rules of NGD and against the rules of Gamigo.

"one person is only allowed to have one account"
"Die Nutzung von mehreren Accounts durch eine Person ist nicht gestattet"
"4.12.An den von gamigo betriebenen Spiele darf der Nutzer jeweils nur mit einem Account teilnehmen („Verbot von Multiaccounts“). Das nähere ist aus den Verhaltensregeln zu entnehmen."

If I can just ignore these rules why are there these rules at all? this is a juristic issue. I know that many people have more than one account. I don't care about this, but I do care about the fact that you are forced to break the rules to join the forums. This is a no go.


It does violate NGD's terms of service, but the TOS is ancient and obsolete, and really should be rewritten. This particular rule is not enforced. Like half the people on Ra have multiple accounts already, as I'm sure you are aware. Many (international) users have also created accounts with gamigo.

Because the rules are constantly broken it does not mean that you solve the propblem with it that german players cannot join the forums without breaking the rules. I see no point why people should not be able to just register for the forums, no matter where they are from.


But clearly you are special. You can't just create an account and use it, you have to get political about it.

Make an account and play, or make an account and post on the forums, noone cares how many accounts you have, you just want to be difficult.

I have one account I play with (gamigo account) and another account (nGD account) which I use only for the forums. But this

a) breaks the rules of the game
b) i have to know how to find and use a proxy to avoid beeing redirected to Gamigo

It the principle that every regnum player should be able without any juristical or technical trouble to enter the forums, no matter where she/he is from. But as it is now you cannot do so when you have a german ip adress.


The NGD servers are separate from the Gamigo servers, and especially now that there might be conflicts with account names and character names, they are unable to be merged.

I am aware of this problem. Simple solution is to enable a normal registration for everyone for this forum. I understand that the forum account is connected with the NGD account and that the gamigo users data is not transmitted to NGD. This means you cannot enter with an Gamigo account.
That is bad, but no problem when you just allow Gamigo users to register for the forums only. Or even better, when you allow to have a NGD account and to have a Gamigo account. With the Gamigo account you should be only able to play on german servers and with NGD account you should be able to play only on Ra.

But now you cannot choose which account to choose, and you can even enter Ra with Gamigo account, but you cannot enter the forum of Ra community.


Throughout this thread you've posted "I want I want I want, oh NGD why aren't you answering me! I WANT! NGD ANSWER ME!", and when NGD finally does post, you become a petulant little child. Can you not understand that you have been given the only answer you're going to get?


The answer from NGD was: "NO user from germany should have access on this forum because they get proper community management on german gamigo forum"

Is that what you call fair and tolerant? I don't, and I will fight for equal rights for all regnum players. Nobody should be forced to use a proxy server, and nobody should be forced to break game rules just to have the same abilities than other regnum players.


Edit: at gamemod, maybe you should move this thread to general discussion since this is more a discussion about if germans should be able to have access to NGD forum at all and not about why they are not able to have access.

[save_the_trees]

/me supports cumeri's crusade :lightsabre:

for everybody who has a sense for history:

"We welcome change and openness; for we believe that freedom and security go together, that the advance of human liberty can only strengthen the cause of world peace. There is one sign [NGD] can make that would be unmistakable, that would advance dramatically the cause of freedom and peace. General Secretary [Surak], if you seek peace, if you seek prosperity for [NGD] and [german users], if you seek liberalization, come here to this [forum]. Mr. [Surak], open this [forum]. Mr. [Surak], tear down this [forum blockade]!"

(Names and subject slightly changed; I know that in this case maybe other ppl than Surak are responsible, but obviously it is more funny like it is) xD

And to Froste and everybody who will state a different opinion here: Somebody finally really tries to do sth about this #!*@**** and you have to use this thread to contradict in every point stated here (is this your personal vendetta against cumeri or what, Froste?), where imho there is really nothing to contradict. This is only about fairness, international communication and community. Everybody who thinks that those don't belong to this forum is at least unfair or maybe even an *objector of international communication*. Don't like to hear those words? Well It's only the truth about your nature. Go on flaming this thread and NGD will think that there is nothing to do, but stand behind us and and maybe we can change something (@cumeri, maybe you better start a poll in Gamigo forums about who wants to come here legally, if there isn't already one, and post the results in general. Sadly, numbers are saying more than words sometimes :/ ).

[Inkster]

I agree that the German community should be allowed full access to this forum as the game is International and the point of view from those players could contribute a lot to this forum

[sathilda]

German users should have access. I have access everywhere, why not for them ???

I have to remember you some things about the gamigo users :


they're not aware of bugs, sometimes severe... the curse bug has been found by somebody on May there
they don't play like us and their point of view about balance is different.
you say them to get a proxy... they're often non legit, so it's illegal, and this time you can get jailed for this.
at last, but not at least, they represent from far the biggest income for NGD

[magnet]

NGD obviously has a sign-on system from Gamigo since Gamigo users can log onto RA. They just overlooked the forum part for imho good reasons: I personally don't want posts in German here and it would be bound to happen.

Cumeri you say you think most Germans would speak English, as a matter of fact they do, but not when they're 10-13 years old, which is the main population of Gamigo's servers. I have discussed while leveling with members of the Muspell/Niffleheim clan on Ra about this, that was the main reason they left (because of the immature population on Gamigo). When I went on Amun before the EXP multiplier was removed, there always were around 20 Germans from Gamigo there and I can assure you they didn't speak English or barely.

As explained, Gamigo is responsible of the community support for German users too. So it is not up to NGD's responsibility if Gamigo users are unaware of bugs or such (it's not like NGD communicates a lot here either). It's a matter of the community.

The solution should be a case by case registration for English speaking users who wish to post here, and thus just like currently creating an account on NGD's website. I fail to see how it breaks any rule, NGD states "you cannot have more than one NGD account", Gamigo states "you cannt have more than one Gamigo account", so you can have one of both. The last remaining problem is the usage of a proxy because of the bad GeoIP-based redirection NGD uses (I really hate this). The cleanest solution would be for NGD to put a page in German "get your account here, Gamigo blabla" but with a link "I'm an International user currently living in Germany, I want to sign-up regularly"). Since it is not going to happen (because of the contract and/or of NGD's having other more important stuff to spend time on), the second best solution is that you Cumeri, since you're so vocal about it, make your own GeoIP bypassing registration page. It's really easy, all you have to do is to take the form and put it on a non-Germany based server, and make sure the server handles the form and redirects the POST query directly to NGD's script. You can call it "Hassle-free Regnum Forum Registration Page for Gamigo Users" and post a link on Gamigo's forums.

Bye

[CumeriTarenes]

thx Kathris, Ink and sathilda for supporting me, and also magnet for agreeing with me in my basic thoughts.
I see you are not all that ignorant than Froste seems to be.

Magnet: You are problably right when you say that there are a lot of very young players playing regnum in Germany. But there are other german players too, as you see from the muspel clan in alsius on Ra. Most mature players left german servers and went to Ra to be in a proper community. However, these players cannot realy participate in the community since they cannot enter the forums here.

And about having a NGd and a Gamigo account:

As soon as you start the gaem, no matter if you use gamigo or NGD account you have to agree with the general terms of use from NGD.
There you can read in point 2: One person is only allowed to have one account. In the terms of use of Gamigo you can read, that it is only allowed to have one game account for all games Gamigo distributes.

I know there are a lot of players having more than one account, and I don't mind this or want to judge about this, leave allone the fact that there is no bank system and bank charakters are needed. But after all it is against the terms of use, and nobody should be forced to break up with them.

Just on a sidenote: Gamigo is going to change the terms of use to 01.07.2008: basics of this change will be the clear interdiction of multi accounting. They are also going to pursue people with more than one account because multi accounting is a contradiction to fatique system since you can avoid beeing fatiqued by just changing to another account after 4 hours. For this there is a danger of less income for Gamigo/NGD and that's why they are interested that every user has only one account. (btw, when you take over another users character you have to ask Gamigo if you can do so. If they agree you have to pay 20 € to Gamigo. Just on a sidenote since it is quite common to use anothers players characters)

You see, it is not wanted that you have more than one account, and after all it does not matter if it's a NGD or a Gamigo account because you can enter the internatioanl server with both accounts, hence you have 2 accounts on one server.

about a GeoIP bypassing registration page: sorry, but I am not skilled at all in such things, I would never be able to do so. But you are right, it would indeed help many people. But, there is still the problem that you have to create a second account as soon as you already have a Gamigo account.

Maybe a solution would be if german players could email NGD and ask for a registration for the international forum. This way you make sure that only users who are realy interested to use this forums actively would be able to join here. But it would mean a case to case registration by the admins of the forums which means additional work for the NGD team.

But, as long as NGD says they do not want any german user to have access here this won't gonna happen anyway. This is what makes me so sad, that NGD does not want german speaking users here. Imagine you would never met me...what a loss :biggrin:

[magnet]

Just on a sidenote: Gamigo is going to change the terms of use to 01.07.2008: basics of this change will be the clear interdiction of multi accounting. They are also going to pursue people with more than one account because multi accounting is a contradiction to fatique system since you can avoid beeing fatiqued by just changing to another account after 4 hours. For this there is a danger of less income for Gamigo/NGD and that's why they are interested that every user has only one account. (btw, when you take over another users character you have to ask Gamigo if you can do so. If they agree you have to pay 20 € to Gamigo. Just on a sidenote since it is quite common to use anothers players characters)


Well those are Gamigo rules. Personally now I systematically create a new account for each char, because I like to be able to lend them to people and still play my chars at the same time. I like to be able to trade between my chars without someone else. And in the end NGD gets more money from me since I can't use leftover Xim for other chars.

The fact that Fatigue is account rather than char based was stupid imho. So what if people play 4 hours 1 char, 4 hours another, 4 hours yet another... To spend 12h daily on the game leveling, you have to be crazy anyway.

[CumeriTarenes]

I started a poll in Gamigo forum

http://regnum-forum.gamigo.de/showthread.php?t=3886


Question: Do you want to have access to the international forum?

results:
yes: 44 times 74,58%
no 4 times 6,78%
I don't care 11 times 18,64%

In the thread one of the Game masters sais he wants to ask NGD about it. And he thinks german users should have access to NGD forum.

Another point I could clarify: It is forbidden to have a NGD account and a Gamigo account for regnum since you are able to have 2 accounts on server Ra with these 2 accounts. Gamigo says so.

[Vijabei]

Gamigo users don't have a forum account associated here, but they can post on the Gamigo forums at http://regnum.gamigo.de/ where you can get proper community management in Deutsch.

Regards
A Gamigo GameMaster told me to post my problem here because Gamigo can't take care of every technical issue. So I created this account against the TermsOfUse from NGD and Gamigo. It is only a community management Gamigo provide to us. The most technical advices are: "Look at your firewall!", "Reinstall the game!" and "We don't know how to solve the issue, we only take your money for the Ximerin".

When a Gamigo GameMaster tells us he will NGD about an issue we discuss we wait for weeks and months for an answer. :rale:

Cumeri you say you think most Germans would speak English, as a matter of fact they do, but not when they're 10-13 years old, which is the main population of Gamigo's servers. I have discussed while leveling with members of the Muspell/Niffleheim clan on Ra about this, that was the main reason they left (because of the immature population on Gamigo). When I went on Amun before the EXP multiplier was removed, there always were around 20 Germans from Gamigo there and I can assure you they didn't speak English or barely.The most german Regnum users are between 15 and 30 years. And it is not the age directly which decides in which quality English is spoken. My daughter comes to school in a month and will have English after a half year as the first foreign language. The children will speak English much earlier as my generation. We started in the 5th class with an age of 10 or 11. The other reason for barly spoken English you will find in our history. A lot of my friends came after the reunion 1990 to us in school without any knowledge of English because until then they had to learn Russian. So you will find many people about 30 years never had one English lesson. And last but not least we have a big multi culture communities. The biggest one are our turkish friends. A friend of mine started at the same time with English but never learned this language. Instead of English he learned French and Spanish :thumb: So I ask me, what do YOU expect from every single user? Do they have to speak 5 or more languages? Why there can't be a german section in this Forum moderated by Gamigo? The players speaking English or Spanish are able to post directly into the big community, the others won't. Everything would be improved regarding the community feeling on RA and the contact between NGD and Gamigo GameMasters (at the moment there seems to be a poor conversation between those).

Sry for my bad English here. It's hard to be concentrated at 1:00 a.m. in our time zone.

[-Edge-]

Personally, I don't care anymore about what the German servers are like, they have a totally different point of view on the game, and I feel it suits them. (I don't think they complain how they play do they?) Its up to them to figure out how to play for themsleves,

These are some reason why things are the way they are, now think about them:


1. Cumeri these forums are for users playing on Ra, if players from Muspell and Nilfhelm were playing on here you would start to see complaining: "Why is there no German forum here? And they would be asking to make a German part of the forum here.

2. If everyone came here to see what you refer to as "The Real Regnum" a majority of German users would probably feel the need to quit, and they would just screw the game for Gamigo.

3. If there is a problem on their forums you can surely do something about it, if I was in your shoes I would take advantage of the situation to teach, and help them how to play, or you could display it in war, and they would maybe have someone to look up to for guidance. "Oh Cumeri how do you play so well?"

The only things I agree with you on is that Germans should have better moderation, but thats not NGD's job, so you don't need to give NGD even more work, if German users over there don't like the moderation and help well then its Gamigo's problem. Then they leave anyway, so what is the problem?

[CumeriTarenes]

1. Cumeri these forums are for users playing on Ra, if players from Muspell and Nilfhelm were playing on here you would start to see complaining: "Why is there no German forum here? And they would be asking to make a German part of the forum here.

The thing is, users who have a NGD account can join the german forums. (but they cannot enter german servers)
Users with a Gamigo Acount (as every user from Germany has since you are redirected to Gamigo once you click register on Regnum-online site because you have a german IP adress) cannot join these forum here, but they can join Ra.
You made a point here: These forums are for users playing on RA. There are quite a lot german players playing on Ra, but they cannot use their Account to join the forum. This is the problem.

Also it says in game describtion that regnum is a - Community driven development, meaning we develop the game based on players' feedback.


Why is it that NGD, the developer of the game, does not listen to the feedback of players from german servers? You can post what you want on german gamigo forum, NGD most probably will never read it.

Edit:
NGD does not have to read it at all, just allow german users to post here and gemran players can give their feedback directly here in the forum, as international players do as well.