The damn truth about evasion

[_dracus_]

Mage are the one who evade the most :)

Here are the proofs:
http://huard.info/ro/mage_evasion.jpg
http://huard.info/ro/valour_evasion.jpg

First screenshot shows mage evade 2 and blocked 1 and I did evade nothing at all.

Second screenshot shows how valour can evade 4 hits in a row and again I evade nothing


PS: Don't feed trolls :)
PPS: Crap everybody knows I use overpowered spell elude on lvl 3 now!

[DkySven]

?? I see tree hits evaded in the first screen and none in the second. And you wasn't attacked.

[_dracus_]

First screenshot shows mage evade 2 and blocked 1 and I did evade nothing at all.

Second screenshot shows how valour can evade 4 hits in a row and again I evade nothing :)

[Pizdzius]

maybe the mage had some tunic/gloves/hat with evasion boosts

[_dracus_]

It's just to say that archer aren't the most evasive people :)

I know Valour is evasion boosted, but i'm kinda concentration boosted (I have at least 85 in concentration when not using meditation and when not tuned for max concentration) :)

[Znurre]

And once again, it's stated that main attribute affects hit chance more than conc...

[magnet]

All classes naturally evade too much. Archers have buffs to evade even more, at a point where it's not "just" too much. I just fought a conjurer who evaded half my attacks... I've disagreed with this change when it was made last November and I still disagree, I really don't know what MegriM is on but it has to be good stuff...

[_dracus_]

And once again, it's stated that main attribute affects hit chance more than conc...

I tested it a lot with Sacapus, and concentration really helps for spells :)

And for the reference my Bow has dext bonus, and I also use short bow passive dexterity :)

[Angelwinged_Devil]

oh yeah, nerf the damn evasion of mages :@:@remember this thread is in images, not general discussion or development

[DkySven]

I swear I saw differed screenshots with the same names earlier.

[_dracus_]

I swear I saw differed screenshots with the same names earlier.

I first uploaded a wrong screenshot (where i killed a barb who was trying to finish a mage)

[Valour]

68 evade chance \o/

[sathilda]

68 evade chance \o/

Poor Julius ^^ I won't post pics about my (random) block rate, people are so sensitive these days :]

[DkySven]

I first uploaded a wrong screenshot (where i killed a barb who was trying to finish a mage)
Ok, np

There is a lot of evades in the screens, yes. But it seems luck to me, I never saw Valour evade that much.

[Mage_pegusas]

68 evade chance \o/

lol you evaded like an Sonnofabitch when i pvped u... now i have 64 evade ^^
Thanks for the tips xD
/me mana burns valour

[ncvr]

68 evade chance \o/
Too bad Ignis can't get the Hypnotizing amulet...otherwise that'd be 73 evade :p

[Valour]

Too bad Ignis can't get the Hypnotizing amulet...otherwise that'd be 73 evade :p

I could also get a +5 evasion tunic instead of a +4 one and + dex staff, gloves and hat ^^

[Inkster]

This is rich, a hunter moaning about a mages evasion (i say moaning due to the title of the thread) :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[Valour]

Yeah, when i'm under the effect of confuse, the four spells that I can cast are always resisted/evaded :p

Even if they're a low level hunter or marksman *baah*

[CumeriTarenes]

my lvl 50 marksman have base evasion of 61 :/

And INT 50 which means base spell resistence is quite low too.

With passives I can boost up my evasion to 73, but for this I have to max out evasion and short bows and I have to spent 8 powerpoints for it.

with all my items and maneuver lvl 5 I can boost up to 89 evasion. When you then add dodge you will evade about 50% of all hits/spells I guess.

then wits (+15int) and some +int items and high lvl spell eude make you resist about 45% of all spells I guess.

So when you cast a spell on the archer you have to break trough 25% evade layer from dodge, then trough 25% normal (boosted) evade layer, then trough 30% spell elude resist layer and then trough 15% normal (boosted) resist layer.

That's why archers are able to evade/resist so much. When you then add a protection dome and a deflecting barrier it get's almost impossible to get a hit on an archer. Dunno if this is what we want. I saw fort fights against syrtis, who have many knights and many archers, where I made not a single hit, and if it was 0 dmg because of mana pylon/energybarrier. For ranged classes these frustrating evades/resists are even worse than for warriors due to deflecting barrier. And for mages they are worst, because they suffer more from it than archers because they themself don't profit not so much due to lower evasion chance than archers.

[Valour]

http://img65.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot2008060719562sp3.jpg

Not cool...

[Inkster]

Valour on the bright side, it was 3 hunters after you, you must really scare em :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[sathilda]

http://img65.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot2008060719562sp3.jpg

Not cool...

Applaud NGD for this... now RO is a big hunting party, no more fort wars... we've taken pinos at 6(!) today with 450 users online...

We're Ignis... we're Sparta :bangin:

[magnet]

Applaud NGD for this... now RO is a big hunting party, no more fort wars... we've taken pinos at 6(!) today with 450 users online...

We're Ignis... we're Sparta :bangin:

Alsius never used Pinos as a chatroom like Ignis do with Samal or Syrtis with Herb, so this has nothing to do with the game being a big hunting party or not.

Yesterday we took Herb with 4 people (and one of those left immediately after breaking the door). There's nothing special if no one (or very few) are there to fight for the fort.

[Valour]

Aquilla likes to take pinos alone ^^

[sathilda]

Alsius never used Pinos as a chatroom like Ignis do with Samal or Syrtis with Herb, so this has nothing to do with the game being a big hunting party or not.

Yesterday we took Herb with 4 people (and one of those left immediately after breaking the door). There's nothing special if no one (or very few) are there to fight for the fort.

Sure... I've been rushed by 7 hunters today.. at the same time ! Indeed there are nothing to hunt in Alsius, excepted mobs... i get so mad about it that i go leveling to Alsius like in the good ol' days :] You're never hunted there, amazing, did 100k without even been killed !

[magnet]

Sure... I've been rushed by 7 hunters today.. at the same time ! Indeed there are nothing to hunt in Alsius, excepted mobs... i get so mad about it that i go leveling to Alsius like in the good ol' days :] You're never hunted there, amazing, did 100k without even been killed !

Maybe it's because you don't show up on Ignis hunters' radar? (and there are very few Hunters in Alsius and they don't hunt at home).

[_dracus_]

Yesterday we took Herb with 4 people (and one of those left immediately after breaking the door). There's nothing special if no one (or very few) are there to fight for the fort.

Totally agree with you, I remember taking Samal with only 2 people (Valorius and I). Really nothing bad in that

[LenaRosemberg]

I'm totally shocked by your first cap ! People complains about archer evasion a lot and you with evasive tactics, spell elude and I guess cat reflexes you evade NOTHING while this mage evaded four times.

[Valour]

look at my screenshot, fair? ^^

[Mage_pegusas]

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Those damn knights are the evaders.... :p :lightsabre:

[Valour]

ahahaha :D

[Mattdoesrock]

HAHA!!

I also took a beach pic today:

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/7695/evadesfk4.jpg

I had no idea I was a knight?!

[Mage_pegusas]

Lol this is pretty much as i took my screenshot xD
Lawl you knight you

[Valorius]

All classes naturally evade too much. Archers have buffs to evade even more, at a point where it's not "just" too much. I just fought a conjurer who evaded half my attacks... I've disagreed with this change when it was made last November and I still disagree, I really don't know what MegriM is on but it has to be good stuff...
I agree 100%. the Evade/Block rates are ridiculously high.

[Mage_pegusas]

http://www.regnumonline.com.ar/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=10912&d=1213645790
As i was saying, knights >.<

[ikukakak]

What?
NO, FUCK WHIT ANIMALS ISILEGAL

[Mage_pegusas]

What?
NO, FUCK WHIT ANIMALS ISILEGAL
This is the images section, not the inn.. moron
/me slaps that pt

[Mage_pegusas]

This is lvl 1 dodge on my hunter, lvl 40...
Compare it to this lvl 8 mob with no lvl 1 dodge.. lol
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EDIT: ignore the chats in each of these screenshots... >.>

[Mattdoesrock]

LOL!

@ 1st pic in chat: Hahaha! Good ol' Bouk.

@ 2nd pic in chat: That conversation was SO funny.

[Mage_pegusas]

What about the evasion??? lol
:p

[Mattdoesrock]

Umm..

Err...

Nice one.

[CumeriTarenes]

It does not matter which lvl dodge you cast to evade 5 hits in a row.

[Mage_pegusas]

It was a comparison, between hunter lvl 1 spell, and a mob. :p lol

[StoryTeller]

Mattdoesrock HAHA!!

I also took a beach pic today:

Actually I would qualify more as a knight, since I actually blocked one :wink:


The log was much longer, as was the battle, but I simply didn't have the hp to last against him. Even from what is shown in the screenie, Ornu's blocks made my evasions look sickly.

[Mattdoesrock]

Haha wow!

Man, the arena is crazy bugged.

[Mage_pegusas]

Actually I would qualify more as a knight, since I actually blocked one :wink:


The log was much longer, as was the battle, but I simply didn't have the hp to last against him. Even from what is shown in the screenie, Ornu's blocks made my evasions look sickly.



Lol i was there at the time, that was an epic battle.
Ornu is one of those classic knights though i think, who fills your battle log with blocks :D

Nice battle though BAA ;)

[ncvr]

What about the evasion??? lol
:p
But I only clicked it to see the chat after Matt's comment :p

About the evasion...uhh...yeah, powerful.

[Ornu]

Lol i was there at the time, that was an epic battle.
Ornu is one of those classic knights though i think, who fills your battle log with blocks :D

Nice battle though BAA ;)

Bah, this happened only for one skill... '[Spanish] Protector' ¿You don't know how is the animation of this skill? xD


Thanks for the reference :P

[Ornu]

Actually I would qualify more as a knight, since I actually blocked one :wink:


The log was much longer, as was the battle, but I simply didn't have the hp to last against him. Even from what is shown in the screenie, Ornu's blocks made my evasions look sickly.



Hahahahahahahaha, yeah. I don't know how but, i can block much. This do not is really my 'Tactic' [the lucky don't is my tactic] but, well... In the log you can see how your resistance to damage are more satisfactory. You can reduce more the damage.

PD: In this battle, my damage are "460-520", and you can see my damage in you... 200...100...150...

[_dracus_]

Can we keep on the original topic, which is that mage tend to evade more than archer :)

[Valorius]

So do knights.

[DkySven]

Are you seriously claiming mages and knights evade more that hunters??!

(Although I don't get why the level 50(according to the rp) knight in the last screen tries to run away from a hunter, who's also normal rated)

[CHeesE_13]

man if every mage wants a evasion i guess i should try and sell mine

BUT ONLY TO IGNIS!!

I got a lvl 45 viper warlock tunic with +4 evade chance so if anyone wants it chat me in game

Tripp.

edit* sorry i was sleepy it was +4 evade :P

[Mage_pegusas]

These are blocks Val, blocks are a different story all together. ;)

[_dracus_]

Are you seriously claiming mages and knights evade more that hunters??!

(Although I don't get why the level 50(according to the rp) knight in the last screen tries to run away from a hunter, who's also normal rated)

First this thread was a whole joke about me evading nothing (because there was nothing to evade on 1 of the screenshot I posted). Then I saw often alone mage that evade a lot of my skills (and I got passives in concentration), but honnestly I don't care.

For the reason why a knight tries to run, I don't know them. Maybe he wanted to reach reinforcements. But I know for sure that some hunters can be really hard to fight for knight (run and shoot strategy).

[Heglin]

Yes it's usually only waste of time for a knight to fight vs a hunter. It's often impossible to get close enough to hit the hunter. So if the hunter tries the run, shoot, run strategy then i just go the other way and give his position to some faster or ranged friends.

I see no point in chasing a hunter across the wz just to end up in a ambush.

A mage might in some cases evade more than a unbuffed archer. There's a bunch of mages with around 70 evasion (my conju have only 63 :/ ).

[Valorius]

These are blocks Val, blocks are a different story all together. ;)
Blocks, evades- net result is the same.

man if every mage wants a evasion i guess i should try and sell mine

BUT ONLY TO IGNIS!!

I got a lvl 45 viper warlock tunic with +24 evade chance so if anyone wants it chat me in game

Tripp.
This item should be DELETED BY NGD IMMEDIATELY.

Are you seriously claiming mages and knights evade more that hunters??!
As much.

PS, marksmen evade at the same rate as hunters. So do warlocks with windwall.

(Although I don't get why the level 50(according to the rp) knight in the last screen tries to run away from a hunter, who's also normal rated)
I kill a lot of knights.

Yes it's usually only waste of time for a knight to fight vs a hunter. It's often impossible to get close enough to hit the hunter. So if the hunter tries the run, shoot, run strategy then i just go the other way and give his position to some faster or ranged friends.

At which time i go from hit and run, to hit and chase.

Knights are the easiest of all pickings. I can kill a lvl 50 knight in a 1 on 1 in the WZ without getting hit a single time.

It just takes foreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeever.

[Heglin]

Yes and that is only because hunters have too much passive speed (not in general but too much when it comes to 1 vs 1 against a knight).

[makarios68]

I can kill a lvl 50 knight in a 1 on 1 in the WZ without getting hit a single time.

It just takes foreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeever.
You're not kidding.

I fought a knight using the run/turn/shoot technique, but as soon as i took health from him he kept wrapping himself around trees and rocks to regen.

Lol in the end i just gave up.

It was a total stalemate...

[fluffy_muffin]

Lol in the end i just gave up.


Once i make Zigfrid so tired that after 15 min. off pvp he just resigned and runed to pp :D Yes it takes forever if you have no dot spells :D

[Valorius]

Yes and that is only because hunters have too much passive speed (not in general but too much when it comes to 1 vs 1 against a knight).
Quite true.

You're not kidding.

I fought a knight using the run/turn/shoot technique, but as soon as i took health from him he kept wrapping himself around trees and rocks to regen.

Lol in the end i just gave up.

It was a total stalemate...
One of the major reasons i hunt almost exclusively in ignis is lack of trees to exploit with silly facing bugs.

Strategery... :-P

[Mage_pegusas]

Don't forget though, we have those evil ignis rocks! muhaha

[Valorius]

Don't forget though, we have those evil ignis rocks! muhaha
I know, i use them all the time to hide behind when i cast camo. :-P

Here's one where a knight blocks at about twice the rate i evade:

And another where the knight out block/evades me 7-0:

[sathilda]

I know, i use them all the time to hide behind when i cast camo. :-P

Here's one where a knight blocks at about twice the rate i evade:

And another where the knight out block/evades me 7-0:

http://www.regnumonline.com.ar/forum/showpost.php?p=441702&postcount=27 :sifflote:

I have even a thread just for me : http://www.regnumonline.com.ar/forum/showthread.php?t=26319 :angel2:

[Mage_pegusas]

lol I was looking at this http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/7440/app151iv9.jpg
Aarlick posted this one :p

[_dracus_]

lol I was looking at this http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/7440/app151iv9.jpg
Aarlick posted this one :p

No tear or break appart ? LOL

[sathilda]

No tear or break appart ? LOL

War psychology... they hit me 40, they feel like resistance is futile :]

Cacaroto (barb 50) & me (knight 43) (and a conju low level a bit after) vs sir thomas (hunter 50) and another one i don't remember the name. (a bit after Kratos A, warlock)

I changed a bit my armor set and have a new shield (good against all physical damage) and changed some pieces of my dueling with shamshir (better against elemental damage & slashing). I _walked_ to the hunter who hitted me at range... 20.


I don't block that much. (at least here) And my damage resistance is what it's expected.

And the warlock has badly played...

[Mage_pegusas]

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This is my lvling setup, with 89 dex, 70 evade chance. (not buffed for either, this is my normal)
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Which, as you can see, didn't help much :p
Notice the 2 crits from barbs.. ouch? ;)

Thats the damn truth lol


P.S. I met you ingame today, on my hunter.WIIIII :)


EDIT:Your sig still says lvl 42 :)

[Valorius]

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This is my lvling setup, with 89 dex, 70 evade chance. (not buffed for either, this is my normal)

With lvl 1 cat reflexes and a 97 Dex i only get a 68 Evade- and i'm a lvl 50 hunter.

Evade rates are totally screwed up in Regnum.

[Mage_pegusas]

89 dex, +6 evade chance from rings. Sorry i should have mentioned that (?)
So 64 evade chance without rings. I tried resetting, I can get 72 base evade, with those rings + lvl 5 passives. Not bad at lvl 41. :)
Next lvl I have +4 dex leggings on top of what i get for lvling. I can have 93 base dex with different rings, but it means less evade chance.

[-SAMARA-]

Mage are the one who evade the most :)

Here are the proofs:
http://huard.info/ro/mage_evasion.jpg
http://huard.info/ro/valour_evasion.jpg




PS: Don't feed trolls :)
PPS: Crap everybody knows I use overpowered spell elude on lvl 3 now!

Hola, aca te dejo algo para que te entretengas, eso + los bloqueos de algun caballero....


Saludos!

Es preferible morir 100 veces como un PT a matar como un BUGUERO


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Hello, you leave something here to entertain you, that + blockades of some gentleman ....


Greetings!

It is better to die 100 times as a PT to kill as a BUGUERO

BUGUERO = utilises BUGS

[_dracus_]

Hello, you leave something here to entertain you, that + blockades of some gentleman ....


Greetings!

It is better to die 100 times as a PT to kill as a BUGUERO

BUGUERO = utilises BUGS

Where did I used bugs to kill you ? At least your message can lead people to think that. In case you didn't notice, this thread was a joke to mock people like AwD crying about evasion from archer.

[Mage_pegusas]

I personally didn't get that post, I thought it was because of his/her 69 evasion.... as a mage.
:)

[-SAMARA-]

Where did I used bugs to kill you ? At least your message can lead people to think that. In case you didn't notice, this thread was a joke to mock people like AwD crying about evasion from archer.



I do not speak English well I saw my picture and the translation sounded to me was accused of something.:angel2:

I think that it is required to have a better defense, archers are good as they are ....:thumb_up:


Greetings

[CumeriTarenes]

ok, the title is "The damn truth about evasiion". Here it is:

from the another thread (http://www.regnumonline.com.ar/forum/showthread.php?t=26399)
(which participation was quite low :/) I got the following information:

base evasion lvl 50 marksman: 61
base evasion lvl 50 conju: 58
base evasion lvl 50 barb: 57

When you set an average hit rate of 320 for lvl 50 characters you get base evade chance as follows:

marksman: 19,06%
conju: 18,13
barb: 17,81


You can see that it is not the base evasion which makes archers evading that much more than other classes do. Since mages have higher INT they have higher spell resist rate which may compensate the lower evasion rate. But spell focus and resist chance are not shown in character window, so we cannot draw any conclusions about this. It's just a guess.

Every class can wear evasion boosting quest items (droped items I don't take into consideration)
Syrtis and Alsius +5, ignis +6 evasion

Archers can boost evasion with dex passive. On lvl 5 it gives +15 dex which resuslts in +3 evasion.
wariors can boost dex too, at a max of 20 (makes +4 evasion)

Archers can boost evasion with cat reflexes for 15%.

So we get as a max evasion for the different classes (in brackets are the values for ignis):
marksman: (61+5 (6) +3)*1,15=79,35 (80,5)
conju: 58+5 (6)=63 (64)
barb 57+5 (6) +4=66 (67)


This results in a max evasion rate of:
marksman: 24,8% (25,16%)
conju: 19,69% (20%)
barb: 20,63 (20,94%)



We see that at max the archer has only about 5% higher evade rate than other classes.
There are a few archers that seem to evade far more than 25%. This is due to the fact that they wear dex boosting items and that they use dodge extensively.
An archer under dodge will have an evade chance of about 44% (at hit chance 320). When the archer has dodge + spell elude the chance to get hit by a spell is about 38% without taking in consideration natural resist layer.

When you add natural resist layer (which can be boosted by int passive and +INT items, too) and when you add +dex items you will resist/evade about 2/3 of all spells on you and almost 1/2 of all base attacks.

What do we see? The problem are spells like dodge and spell elude...it is not the base evade layer.


That all are just some thoughts of mine, i dunno if I made the math right and if the formulas are all right. But from my knowledge this is how it works.

[_dracus_]

ok, the title is "The damn truth about evasiion". Here it is:

from the another thread (http://www.regnumonline.com.ar/forum/showthread.php?t=26399)
(which participation was quite low :/) I got the following information:

base evasion lvl 50 marksman: 61
base evasion lvl 50 conju: 58
base evasion lvl 50 barb: 57

When you set an average hit rate of 320 for lvl 50 characters you get base evade chance as follows:

marksman: 19,06%
conju: 18,13
barb: 17,81


You can see that it is not the base evasion which makes archers evading that much more than other classes do. Since mages have higher INT they have higher spell resist rate which may compensate the lower evasion rate. But spell focus and resist chance are not shown in character window, so we cannot draw any conclusions about this. It's just a guess.

Every class can wear evasion boosting quest items (droped items I don't take into consideration)
Syrtis and Alsius +5, ignis +6 evasion

Archers can boost evasion with dex passive. On lvl 5 it gives +15 dex which resuslts in +3 evasion.
wariors can boost dex too, at a max of 20 (makes +4 evasion)

Archers can boost evasion with cat reflexes for 15%.

So we get as a max evasion for the different classes (in brackets are the values for ignis):
marksman: (61+5 (6) +3)*1,15=79,35 (80,5)
conju: 58+5 (6)=63 (64)
barb 57+5 (6) +4=66 (67)


This results in a max evasion rate of:
marksman: 24,8% (25,16%)
conju: 19,69% (20%)
barb: 20,63 (20,94%)



We see that at max the archer has only about 5% higher evade rate than other classes.
There are a few archers that seem to evade far more than 25%. This is due to the fact that they wear dex boosting items and that they use dodge extensively.
An archer under dodge will have an evade chance of about 44% (at hit chance 320). When the archer has dodge + spell elude the chance to get hit by a spell is about 38% without taking in consideration natural resist layer.

When you add natural resist layer (which can be boosted by int passive and +INT items, too) and when you add +dex items you will resist/evade about 2/3 of all spells on you and almost 1/2 of all base attacks.

What do we see? The problem are spells like dodge and spell elude...it is not the base evade layer.


That all are just some thoughts of mine, i dunno if I made the math right and if the formulas are all right. But from my knowledge this is how it works.

I won't check your computation but yeah everyone can have good evasion. The problem is that it's too high. And this is not good for mages that don't have very good base attack (without SM setup).

[LenaRosemberg]

This a pvp marks vs marks. There's just one evaded.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/27892629@N04/2646396682/sizes/o/

(This screen is horrible, the more I look at it, the more I realize how stupidly I played)

[makarios68]

This a pvp marks vs marks. There's just one evaded.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/27892629@N04/2646396682/sizes/o/

(This screen is horrible, the more I look at it, the more I realize how stupidly I played)
The Lightning Arrow seems like a bad choice for a 1v1 fight :)

Or was she trying to run away?

[LenaRosemberg]

I was hight in mana but low in hp with Serpent Bite, Ethereal Arrow and Lethal Strike in cool down and still confused.

[_dracus_]

This a pvp marks vs marks. There's just one evaded.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/27892629@N04/2646396682/sizes/o/

(This screen is horrible, the more I look at it, the more I realize how stupidly I played)

Cool i'm on the picture with my nice outfits :D

PS: You haven't played so stupidely, you won.

[makarios68]

I was hight in mana but low in hp with Serpent Bite, Ethereal Arrow and Lethal Strike in cool down and still confused.
Ah, not such a bad choice then.

And it did decent dmg too, which isn't always the case...

[CumeriTarenes]

Ah, not such a bad choice then.

And it did decent dmg too, which isn't always the case...


yep, it was a good choice then, even tough you made this cyclops agro.

The quite high damage results from sudden strike and weak lvl 50 marksman armor against lightning damage

[Valorius]

Block, block, block, block, block, block, block, block, block..............2 whole pages worth. Against a "Very easy" knight.

Very easy to run away from, sure. Very easy to hit? How about almost impossible. I basically kept running these two around ignis for 20 minutes taking pot shots at the knight to see if i could possibly do any actual significant damage.

Answer: No.

[makarios68]

Block, block, block, block, block, block, block, block, block..............2 whole pages worth. Against a "Very easy" knight.

Very easy to run away from, sure. Very easy to hit? How about almost impossible. I basically kept running these two around ignis for 20 minutes taking pot shots at the knight to see if i could possibly do any actual significant damage.

Answer: No.
OK nerf knights because val can't kill them easily enough...:biggrin:

Seriously, Val, i know it's annoying when a knight blocks so much, but it must be equally as annoying for them when we hunters stay out ot their range by using our speed.

We can't land many hits on them because of their blocks.

They can't land many hits on us because we are faster.

That's just the way it is.

If you take away a knight's blocks, it would only be fair to take away our speed.

I try my best to avoid 1v1 encounters with knights, as it often ends leads to stalemate...

[ljrossi]

Had you take a look at experimetal ? all the evasion will be canceled with concetration. We should go and and take a look of these.

Because in a few week will be discussin "the damm truth about concetration"

Lets hope they dont go to the other way. I will had to take out all my evasion out and try from the shadows some more ofesinves atacks.

Regards

[CumeriTarenes]

well, even 1000 points pf concentration won't cancel any absolute chance spell like spell elude, dodge, wind wall, precise block, protection dome and deflecting barrier. Also you won't cancel mind blank or unstoppable madness just because you have more concentration. A fixed % of evades/resists/blocks will be a fixed number, no matter how high conc is.
So only base evasion/resist/block chance will be decreased a bit.

[makarios68]

So from what i gather from the pevious 2 posts, concentration is at last going to be worth having?

And to be clear, it cancels only base evasion rates, not evasion caused by defensive evasion spells?..

[ljrossi]

Is not very clear where will concetration go against .
If evasion is a percentege of base evasion, so should go concetration giving you more chances to hit somebody (skill or normal, not sure about that) .
So yes seems to be that it will care if you have lot of concetration or not, to get somebody with lot of evasion.

[CumeriTarenes]

as far as I know conc increases hit chance, critical hit chance and spell focus.

Evasion*100/hitchance=evade chance

and

Spell resist factor (whatever it is)*100/spell focus=resist chance


that means when you have more conc you have higher chance to get a base attack and a spell on someone. Conc even now increases hit chance, critical hit chance and spell focus, but after next patch conc will increase it more than now.

But against spells which create a second absolute evade/resist/block layer it won't work since this layer is not affected by sit chance or spell focus.
When you cast dodge you create an evade layer that gives you a 25% chance to evade a hit. No matter how high you base evasion is and no matter how high conc of attacker is. Additionaly to this created evade layer from dodge you have normal character evade layer. This layer depends on characters evasion and on attackers hit chance/spell focus.

Hope that helps. This is how I think it works

[Valorius]

All the blocks and evades just really take a lot of fun out of the game.

Seriously- this game was much more fun and balanced when i started playing it than it is now.