Economy gripe

[ByteMe]

Ok,

Here is the loot from 3 or 4 dragon kills, or at least my share of it (minus a little gold). Does this seem like it's worth it for 10% necro and $30k in repairs?

[Ironfoot]

We all know the answer.

[_dracus_]

Ok,

Here is the loot from 3 or 4 dragon kills, or at least my share of it (minus a little gold). Does this seem like it's worth it for 10% necro and $30k in repairs?

Yeah that sucks being a warrior to kill a dragon.

[ByteMe]

We all know the answer.

Would you care sharing as I've not been keeping up on the forums?

[Ironfoot]

Would you care sharing as I've not been keeping up on the forums?


No, it's n0t worth it. But if you think you'll get dragon armor drops, hehe maybe it is worth it!

[Cool_is_i]

holy!
maby this can help
http://www.regnumonline.com.ar/forum/showthread.php?p=531592#post531592
:)

[Hydroxidee]

Wow that is ridiculous you had so much items to sell and it was just worth 2k? I doubt it! I doubt the economy will get better soon. But I'm also hoping NGD would prove me wrong.

Btw, I would like to bite you ;)

[_dracus_]

One of my char is going broke really soon. I don't know if I have to take money from others to give him a little more time or just to stop playing it in hope to make the others last a little bit more. Whatever I choose to do I'll be disappointed :(

[makarios68]

Archers in particular have been hit hard by the economy changes.

Not only do they have expensive repair bills, but arrows are still very expensive.

The amount of gold obtainable from mobs now is very low relative to the cost of arrows.

Therefore, arrow prices should drop sharply, and soon!

[_dracus_]

Archers in particular have been hit hard by the economy changes.

Not only do they have expensive repair bills, but arrows are still very expensive.

The amount of gold obtainable from mobs now is very low relative to the cost of arrows.

Therefore, arrow prices should drop sharply, and soon!

:clapping5365:

I totally agree, I think I'll have soon to stop playing dracus, only money for 1 day repair and few arrows (maybe less).

[Wyatt]

I agree as well. The economy is really affecting my characters on the Horus server, I am poor.

Players that have less problems with this economy are those that have repair hammers unfortunately and dont "waste" as much gold as none-premium players.

The prices for arrows should really be dropped to compensate for the new economy, and the gold drops by mobs should be modified slightly in my opinion.

Not to mention the repair cost for archers and warriors and even mages is exagerated right now, maybe that also can use a
modification.

PD: I believe in NGD, and trust they know what they doing with the economy, so we will see as time passes.

Regards.

[Miriya_PS]

I THINK (this is just a wild guess and please read like it) NGD realized that there was too much gold on the game and gold was meaningless. They stated several times there will be more options to spend gold (horses, reset_power, etc) so they need to "normalize" de economy of the game.
This way they can adjust the prices of every new gold spend option. So gold prices would have a real cost and gold itself would have a meaning (more than just having millions saved).

I THINK (this is just a wild guess and please read like it) NGD will keep these economy changes until they decided there is the right amount of gold in game. And then MAYBE do some adjustments to keep the gold value controlled.

I am not against this or in favour, I just want the best for the game and I trust NGD know what they are doing. I do not have much gold, but since I have conjurers that spend little I can afford the needs of my other characters.

[Envy]

I THINK (this is just a wild guess and please read like it) NGD realized that there was too much gold on the game and gold was meaningless. They stated several times there will be more options to spend gold (horses, reset_power, etc) so they need to "normalize" de economy of the game.
This way they can adjust the prices of every new gold spend option. So gold prices would have a real cost and gold itself would have a meaning (more than just having millions saved).

I THINK (this is just a wild guess and please read like it) NGD will keep these economy changes until they decided there is the right amount of gold in game. And then MAYBE do some adjustments to keep the gold value controlled.

I am not against this or in favour, I just want the best for the game and I trust NGD know what they are doing. I do not have much gold, but since I have conjurers that spend little I can afford the needs of my other characters.

Your points may hold true on Ra, but not on Horus in which we've always been poor.

[Miriya_PS]

Your points may hold true on Ra, but not on Horus in which we've always been poor.
I am sorry if I can not write it more clearly or sometimes I can not fully understand the answers people give me, my English us very limited as you may see.

But I just want to make this clear: I am not saying this is good or bad.
I was just trying to explain what I GUESS it is the REASON of the changes and why I THINK this may not be an error but a change done and sustained on purpose by NGD.
Also, if I am right, why I think this economy is not going to change until NGD think the gold is working right (and that means lots of people lossing lots of gold :().

Since I can not play on Horus, I would not venture to make statements about that. So I remark that my 2 Archers and my Knight actually lose gold on lvling, but I am doing ok ONLY because I have a sponsor Conjurer for each (yes one Conjurer for each character). And of course this is not the way should be for everyone.

[-Edge-]

I have 3Mill actually stashed on Ra, just remebered I need to transfer it to 115k Edge

[Malik2]

My concern is this:

At lvl 12 of 14 I really was in the middle of a money crunch. I worked my way out of it by carefully looking at which mobs give money etc.

Now at lvl 36 I have over 1.25 mil, so that that is doing pretty good. I'll take a small hit when I buy new armor one day (I'm still wearing lvl 32 armor).

My concern is at lvl 50 if I have a big bank roll, how long will it last me until I have to grind for money? If repairs are on the order of 40 or 60k or more how long will I have to put into just keeping up with that and will it be worth it?

[_dracus_]

My concern is this:

At lvl 12 of 14 I really was in the middle of a money crunch. I worked my way out of it by carefully looking at which mobs give money etc.

Now at lvl 36 I have over 1.25 mil, so that that is doing pretty good. I'll take a small hit when I buy new armor one day (I'm still wearing lvl 32 armor).

My concern is at lvl 50 if I have a big bank roll, how long will it last me until I have to grind for money? If repairs are on the order of 40 or 60k or more how long will I have to put into just keeping up with that and will it be worth it?

Level 50 is hard. Even if leveling on aquantis everyday, it's really hard to not go bankrupt without selling items very expensively.

[phoenix_jackson]

Since I only play warlock, I don't know gravely this affects every class. For mine, so far, it's tolerable. I don't repair much until I get one of my armors of staves totally damaged. Sometimes, when it gets to that part, I could be lucky enough to get a drop to replace it. Lucky are those that get good drops worth trading. Atleast they can get good money from that. But how about the unlucky ones?

Imagining on expanding time, I realise that we are the opposite of Cinderella. We came from rich rich rich to poor. Meanwhile, there are new comers to the game. If, and by the time NGD adjusts the economy to a more bountiful approach, the new comers would feel like Cinderella. But then they don't know how frustrated we feel now.

Maybe it's just a matter of adjustment.

[Ziqyss]

In this post (http://www.regnumonline.com.ar/forum/showpost.php?p=525504&postcount=153), chilko (from NGD) said:

Lo del oro se explico varias veces, nadie quiere que el juego sea mas tedioso, solo queremos que el oro tenga valor y que haya un poco de redistribucion de riqueza en RA. ya se vienen contenidos importantes a tal fin.
Los que no tienen oro vayan a pedirle a los que estan en el ranking.
Cuando la situacion se balancee naturalmente vamos a poder revisar realmente los precios de cosas tales como el equipamiento, las flechas y las reparaciones.

It means, more or less, that they want gold to be valuable (there is too much gold now) because content that needs gold is coming. Also says that if you don't have gold, ask for it to people who are in gold ranking.
Finally, he says they'll adjust prices when gold will be more balanced.

If you don't like it, you are not alone.

[Anpu]

Also says that if you don't have gold, ask for it to people who are in gold ranking.
If he said that then... Way to go, Chilko. You can go and beg for money, none of us came in game to beg for money but enjoy in game. Its your fault that you dont know how to balance game but let gold be worthless for years and now trying to place some sudden strict ideas without even thinking about it. Just read what players are saying, current state of economy is terrible. Look how other games solved balanced economy. this is the first game where gold cheaters with bloodthirsty arrows kept fine amount of gold while others need to ask others, including cheaters, for money. This is sick.
Awesome, post, keep it going...
I d never expect sentence like that from NGD especially not from someone who is more than regular employee in team.

[fluffy_muffin]

In this post (http://www.regnumonline.com.ar/forum/showpost.php?p=525504&postcount=153), chilko (from NGD) said:



It means, more or less, that they want gold to be valuable (there is too much gold now) because content that needs gold is coming. Also says that if you don't have gold, ask for it to people who are in gold ranking.
Finally, he says they'll adjust prices when gold will be more balanced.

If you don't like it, you are not alone.

If this post is true then he should fire himself from job. I had hammer for some time and i was grinding from time to time and i had problems with collecting 900 000 of gold. That should be simple without repairs but no. I have to buy arrows. And i have my capacity so walking from swamps to jabe is so boring. And tadam NGD still didn't gave me back my 1,5milion of gold missing while trade with Tracker.
So Chilko kiss my sweet lion and fix it.

[Foggia]

In this post (http://www.regnumonline.com.ar/forum/showpost.php?p=525504&postcount=153), chilko (from NGD) said:



It means, more or less, that they want gold to be valuable (there is too much gold now) because content that needs gold is coming. Also says that if you don't have gold, ask for it to people who are in gold ranking.
Finally, he says they'll adjust prices when gold will be more balanced.

If you don't like it, you are not alone.

So due to this post it'd be best for older players (who still have big gold amount) to stop playing RO for some time and then they'd come again as a very rich ppl, whose gold would be worth a lot. Not a good idea, imo. Game should encourage ppl to collect gold to gain some benefits, not to intimidate them that they wont be able to play without it.

[Angelwinged_Devil]

In this post (http://www.regnumonline.com.ar/forum/showpost.php?p=525504&postcount=153), chilko (from NGD) said:



It means, more or less, that they want gold to be valuable (there is too much gold now) because content that needs gold is coming. Also says that if you don't have gold, ask for it to people who are in gold ranking.
Finally, he says they'll adjust prices when gold will be more balanced.

and that is what most of us guessed anyway, they wanted to reduce the amount of regular gold per user on ra.

@Anpu: yeah it's nice with a reply from ngd... in the spanish forum -_- we had to get it translated here, instead we get left wandering around spamming all over what the hell is going on :p

[save_the_trees]

you know what I think? NGD believes that there are simply too many archers and warriors. by decreasing income and increasing repair costs they will force everybody to play either warlock or conjurer after some time. All problems will be solved at once: SC, blocks, evades and so on. Great, isn't it?

[Comp]

you know what I think? NGD believes that there are simply too many archers and warriors. by decreasing income and increasing repair costs they will force everybody to play either warlock or conjurer after some time. All problems will be solved at once: SC, blocks, evades and so on. Great, isn't it?

Hah...yup - I've recently turned my conjurer into a support conj but still use a zarkit for leveling.....it actually works - YAY!!

But I use those guy simply for getting money cause he doesn't take damage...

This economy sux :(

[StoryTeller]

save_the_trees you know what I think? NGD believes that there are simply too many archers and warriors. by decreasing income and increasing repair costs they will force everybody to play either warlock or conjurer after some time. All problems will be solved at once: SC, blocks, evades and so on. Great, isn't it?

I was thinking the same thing too! In Ignis, at a certain time of day, there is a chronic shortness of skilled conjus, or warlocks with MoD. Yet, there is never a shortage of Barbarians or Hunters roaming the countryside. I hope that people who spend time making money with a mage, eventally lvl up to be of some use in the WZ.

I've only managed to avoid the economic crash by using repair hammers, but not before I lost 2mil in repairs :(

[Heglin]

Sooner or later all conjus (except those on accounts with warlocks too) will be warjurers, if/when that day comes for me then i probably rather stop playing regnum than letting my conju become a full time money grinder.

There's no way in hell i'll show up at a fort fight with a warjurer setup.

[phoenix_jackson]

I was thinking the same thing too! In Ignis, at a certain time of day, there is a chronic shortness of skilled conjus, or warlocks with MoD. Yet, there is never a shortage of Barbarians or Hunters roaming the countryside. I hope that people who spend time making money with a mage, eventally lvl up to be of some use in the WZ.

I've only managed to avoid the economic crash by using repair hammers, but not before I lost 2mil in repairs :(

Warhammers for repairs? Yeah! Sure! Awesome! But only for those who have access to xim. If NGD gives more options to buy ximerine then a lot of people would be buying warhammers. Atleast, that could ease some of the pains of the current economy.

The shortage of :bruja: doesn't involve much about the economy gripe. It's the evasion issue. Then again, I could be wrong.

[Kittypretty]

Why dont they just equalize everyones gold then, (like they did with the cheaters sellling multiple items bug) rather than pissing off the majority of players daily, give us all a set 5 mil or so,

you obviously dont mind pissing off and making the active players struggle with money in the hopes they will eventually be broke..

so im sure you would have no qualms about taking away the riches money as well :) since the majority of the gold rankers i've never seen in combat, mostly grinding, or trading. and this beats begging for their money..as stated was your offical short term solution..


this post is meant to be sarcastic but damn it sounds better n better somedays.,

[bigjim]

Why am I the only one that is not struggling for gold?

Granted, I use the repair hammers, but it's not a big deal.

Now, when I had my marksman early on in horus I DID struggle, because for awhile I was using no repair hammer/arrows at 50 sucked!

Lowering the price of items/arrows/repairs is a must imo. You won't ever see my play a warlock just because of gold prices btw. :D

[Tyr]

A big part of the problem they are trying to remove gold from the players with the most and not focusing the effort there. The effect they are getting is hurting the lower level players still on their way to level 50 and this is not fair. Making gold have value again is not a bad idea but keep the effort on the upper level players that possess it.

Understanding what NGD is after is to remove the excess of gold they should lower the cost of armor, weapons, and repairs for level 40 and below. Most under that level are not the ones holding vast amounts of gold.

[Hydroxidee]

A big part of the problem they are trying to remove gold from the players with the most and not focusing the effort there. The effect they are getting is hurting the lower level players still on their way to level 50 and this is not fair. Making gold have value again is not a bad idea but keep the effort on the upper level players that possess it.

Understanding what NGD is after is to remove the excess of gold they should lower the cost of armor, weapons, and repairs for level 40 and below. Most under that level are not the ones holding vast amounts of gold.

I agree with you here Tyr 100%! Also I'd like to add that some armors, even though they have higher durability, have to repair more than others. My hunter never repairs, but my marksman repairs after every war.

:bruja: