Concentration is useless...

[sathilda]

I'm pissed to see some comments about the fact that concentration is useless. Especially that it comes from hippies (who was) leveling in inner and who hasn't tested properly how the things work in long term and in warzone.

So i feel like i need to put you in the skin of a 88 conc markswoman in order to make you understand the opposite (im not here to brag about the RP i made, just check the crit hit rate), and no i don't use point shot here, a small group vs group fight near PN2 :

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/6931/screenshot2009022202054.png

Notice on this one how the hit rate drops once eagle eye is down :

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/5598/screenshot2009022202060.png

As you noticed, i can even pay myself the luxury to have DS to 3.

The thing is that you'll only see the benefits of conc if you use normal hits - if you do normal hit/skill/normal hit/skill then concentration won't do what you're waiting for, excepted increasing your skill and hit chance rate.

I want to point this out not only because what is said is wrong, but because people saying this are dangerous for the overall balance of this game since the NGD's feedback about balance comes from the players.

Have fun :)

[Miraculix]

I guess if you invest in a normal hit setup, getting high conc *might* prove useful.

Although if I went for a normal hits setup I would much rather invest into something more reliable than the randomness of the ng3d engine.

I would probably go for a slow/30 as well, like you, but instead of investing into getting a high crits/normals ratio i would probably go for a higher hits/time ratio. That would mean using +attack speed items instead of conc items, using Hawk's Gaze instead of any points invested in the conc passive (which would probably allow you to also drop longs to 11 instead, parabolic 3 isnt bad).

But that's just me :p

[sathilda]

That would mean using +attack speed items instead of conc items, using Hawk's Gaze instead of any points invested in the conc passive

But that's just me :p
I've hawk gaze to 3 atm, and 19% base atk speed thanks to our "unbalanced" lightning rings - despite the fact i don't use often hawk gaze :sifflote:

But well, i'm a "naked" marks with low tricks - as i often say on irc, don't use this kind of setup if you like playing solo because you won't last long :superpusso: That's why i insist on the fact i'm not bragging, i get really pwned on a regular basis - just showing facts.

The % of crit hits is quite constant, around 35-50% without point shot, when i used point shot maxed it could go up to 75, but the mana cost is awful.

[DkySven]

Yay! There is a meaning for choosing nordo for warrior! :guitar:

[makarios68]

I'm pissed to see some comments about the fact that concentration is useless. Especially that it comes from hippies (who was) leveling in inner and who hasn't tested properly how the things work in long term and in warzone.

So i feel like i need to put you in the skin of a 88 conc markswoman in order to make you understand the opposite (im not here to brag about the RP i made, just check the crit hit rate), and no i don't use point shot here, a small group vs group fight near PN2 :

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/6931/screenshot2009022202054.png

Notice on this one how the hit rate drops once eagle eye is down :

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/5598/screenshot2009022202060.png

As you noticed, i can even pay myself the luxury to have DS to 3.

The thing is that you'll only see the benefits of conc if you use normal hits - if you do normal hit/skill/normal hit/skill then concentration won't do what you're waiting for, excepted increasing your skill and hit chance rate.

I want to point this out not only because what is said is wrong, but because people saying this are dangerous for the overall balance of this game since the NGD's feedback about balance comes from the players.

Have fun :)
There is a contradiction here: you say concentration isn't useless, then point out that in the second pic the hit rates aren't as good because eagle eye has run out.

Eagle eye increases your hit chance dramatically, but concentration points don't - they only increase it a little.

So eagle eye is useful, yes.

But your original assertion was that concentration was useful. In my opinion (and experience) it isn't, because it increases hit chance only a small amount.

[sathilda]

There is a contradiction here: you say concentration isn't useless, then point out that in the second pic the hit rates aren't as good because eagle eye has run out.

Eagle eye increases your hit chance dramatically, but concentration points don't - they only increase it a little.

So eagle eye is useful, yes.

But your original assertion was that concentration was useful. In my opinion (and experience) it isn't, because it increases hit chance only a small amount.
Read more care carefully and you'll notice i'm talking about crits - and yes this statement points that concentration won't increase a lot the hit chance ;)

[-Edge-]

I guess if you invest in a normal hit setup, getting high conc *might* prove useful.

Actually I think it can always prove useful,

Especially for marksman who need to tank out mana for average spells. It saves mana for other things, I already did a similar setup on my barbarian (though not with concentration linked, normal hits)

There is a contradiction here: you say concentration isn't useless, then point out that in the second pic the hit rates aren't as good because eagle eye has run out.

I took the second post as sarcasm, I saw little difference between the critical hit ratio in the 1st pic and the 2nd.

[makarios68]

I took the second post as sarcasm, I saw little difference between the critical hit ratio in the 1st pic and the 2nd.
If it was sarcasm i missed it coz i read too quickly.

I'll shut up again :)

[Mattdoesrock]

This is similar to a thread I made awhile after, just after the concentration improvement, but I can't find it.. I think it might have been deleted.. :F

Anyway, these are the pics I posted:

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/849/crits.jpg

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/1755/crits2.jpg

Simply put, Concentration is great. :D

[Radian]

I tested point shot on mobs with my hunter. 50 with, 50 without. Didn't make any difference...
Maybe different vs players or if Marks...? I've heard the same from others as well.

[Envy]

I tested point shot on mobs with my hunter. 50 with, 50 without. Didn't make any difference...
Maybe different vs players or if Marks...? I've heard the same from others as well.

You didn't notice a different with Point Shot? o_o I get an excessive amount of crits using that spell.

[Radian]

There have been a couple of updates since I tested. Maybe it was broken at the time? Once I tested, I dropped it from my list as it seemed useless. To test, I alternated using it and not using it on every other mob. Quickly counted the crits, and jotted down the number for each mob, then averaged them out. I doubt that I had it maxed, but if I was testing, it was probably lvl 3 or so.

I'm just getting back into really testing stuff for my setup now, so might as well give it another go.

[Envy]

I used it right after the invasion update on level 4. After a day or two I stopped showing any excitement of getting 4 crits in a row.

[Mattdoesrock]

Yeah I think that Point Shot definatly works.. Not consistently.. But it definatly adds, at least at level 4, a nice amount of crits. ^^

[e30G]

Isn't Concentration also supposed to affect spell hit chance? That's what I assumed from the spell Metabolic Control.