Conjurer dilema: MC yes or no?

[Punti_X]

Dear conjurers (mags, archers and warriors, too),

I am interested in your opinion about current state of MC (Mana communion). Are you using it anymore? And other classes: are you satisfied with mana supplied from MC?
Any sugestions?

Thanx!

[ieti]

I still use it even if it gives around 700 on level 4 it helps others. True conju do not benefit from it because of spell cost. I more rely to Ambigous Sacrifice level 4 and Energy Borrow level 4. Now Synergy Bond is more needed common is on level 2.

[Punti_X]

Would this 203 discipline points and 3 power points be better spent in other disciplines?

[ieti]

I tried to drop whole SM and put full Mana tree. Gained around 300 mana. This in fact do not changed more the situation, maybe even worsed it because Mana Communion helps a bit with regenerating mana of more people. So for now i returned to my pre 1.0.6 setup and only added Energy Borrow(4).

Successfull Energy Borrow(4) --> 600 mana and Ambigous Sacrifice(4) --> 750 so not so bad. Other good spell in SM is Static Field even on level 1 it is good.

[gluffs]

My main char is a knight and from my experience the MC is still needed. Even
tho it got a major nerf it does help alot. At the door when we are banging on
door i need mana for all my knocks dizzy and other tools. Further the
constant buffing i need drains mana to. Sure many conjurers have started to
use Synergy bond wich is nice but even tho they may play good and do their
job very well as a support conju it is hard to make sure all that is banging on
the door gets the mana they need. So in between the areas from the
defenders the MC replenishes my mana pool enough for me to take on
another assult from the defenders.

[Pendalf]

Personally I dropped SM discipline for my lvl50 support conj. Points were added to mana borrow and ambit sacr. As a protest against MC nerfing I do not supply allies with mana anymore. And I don't care what you think about it. Because NGD have thinked about it yet, I'm sure. If I will Synergy Bond all allies who shout "mana" I will die too soon. At least I will heal them to be a bit useful.
Sorry, guys. But now my arsenal increased with mass dispell and mana pylon, enjoy what you have! =)

[monktbd]

I dropped MC for the time being because I cannot spare enough power points for both ambitious sacrifice on at least lvl 3 and MC on lvl 4 without compromising my current setup too much.
Well basically it is a toss up between having MC or MP at a high lvl.

Of course this goes for a lvl 45 conj, at 50 things would look a bit different and MC could still fit nicely into the setup although some other compromises would have to be made to have some more ambitious sacrifice and energy borrow.

[Punti_X]

Imo support conjurer must provide mana because it is as essential as health, so I think we should adopt to this MC nerfing, but other players must be aware of fact that this is problem of all of us, and try to save mana as much as they can (spending it in most effective way). And since MC range is now 6m, they cant expect that I will come to them under heavy fire, they must come to me, and MAYBE try to protect me sometimes (honor to few exceptions).

[Immune]

I still use it, because I know it's not just me. Remember, the enemy is having the same problems you and your realm are.

[e30G]

I'm still using it. It stacks, so I just time my casts to go alongside another MC when I can.

Edit:
I should also add that I think MC was never meant to be the primary mana distribution spell. Think of it this way: when an ally needs HP, do you just cast Greater Healing?

[Jennifer]

As a support conjurer, the only spell in the whole Staff Mastery tree I had points in was Mana communion. Some conjurers are still using MC, and of course it is still useful as it stacks. However, I have scrapped the whole tree in favour of Enchantments at level 19. The four points from MC have gone into Mass dispel. If used at the right moment, it can disrupt a chain of nasty warlock areas and potentially save several players from an embarrassing death. I have Synergy bond at level 3 (400 mana) at the moment. As I am focusing on healing most of the time, I don't think it is good enough on level 2. If a player is asking for mana they have usually almost completely run out, and SB at level 2 would have to be cast more than once on the same player, which is a waste of precious seconds.

[Orkryst]

I think that, with this update, instead of not using MC any more, we should use it more!
Why? Obvious. Before, 1 conjurer with MC lvl 5, gave mana to a whole army. Now, 1 MC isn´t enough. So, we need 2 MC to satisfy the army´s mana costs.

Instead of not using it any more, conjurers, we hace to use it more and in higher lvls!

[Punti_X]

So, we basically have 3 ways:
1) stop using MC and spend points somewhere else, and since we dont have good update of mana bars on party window, keep yellin MANA
2) stacked using of MC from 2-3 conjurers (with additional possibillities that group can do together)
3) keep using MC way we used to with less mana providing

I would make poll but i dont know how :)

[Jennifer]

I think that, with this update, instead of not using MC any more, we should use it more!
Why? Obvious. Before, 1 conjurer with MC lvl 5, gave mana to a whole army. Now, 1 MC isn´t enough. So, we need 2 MC to satisfy the army´s mana costs.

Instead of not using it any more, conjurers, we hace to use it more and in higher lvls!

Not only has it been reduced in its effect, its range has been reduced from 10 to 6. Conjurers using MC can no longer stay out of the way if they want their Mana communion to count. As I see it, it has no use in open battle any more. But it is useful for a couple of conjurers standing in the middle of a fort being defended, providing mana for warriors who go in and out of the gate to use their areas.

[Heglin]

YES! it's still a important skill and it works ok when there's 3+ conjus working as a team at a fight. I keep it on lvl 5 and have no intention to move any points from it.

[Quincebo]

I'm still using it. It stacks, so I just time my casts to go alongside another MC when I can.

Edit:
I should also add that I think MC was never meant to be the primary mana distribution spell. Think of it this way: when an ally needs HP, do you just cast Greater Healing?

It depands if more allies need hp:tonguey:

[e30G]

It depands if more allies need hp:tonguey:

Read the sentence again:

Think of it this way: when an ally needs HP, do you just cast Greater Healing?

How many allies do you mean when the sentence says AN ally? :P

[n4gh4sh]

Now MC lvl4 is ridiculous. I use only lvl5. Now conjurer doesn't need MC for himself (have to use ambitious sacrifice/en. borrow), so MC is mostly for allies. MC is now much more important than before. Since I use mixed support/warju setup and have maxed SM, MC on lvl5 is a good choice.

[Cool_is_i]

never used it, never will.
=)

especially not now.

[Valour]

I can't get enough mana myself let alone others so I keep it :p

[Mattdoesrock]

My conju is only level 42, but I had it on level 4 pre-nerf. Now I've dropped it in favour of 19 mana control, which allows me to have Amb sac (5) [which is great] so I can dish out more mana with Syn bond (2).

[Duplo]

I use mana communion, and I will use it for a long time. I will stop using it when I will be lvl50.
Mana communion has seen his range reduced to 6, and the mana given is now the half. We support an area of 36 instead of 100 [units²], it's why I think the spell is 82% less effective (EDIT: what we have divided by what we had: [36*pi/(100*pi)]*[15/30]= 18%) for the same mana cost (I used lvl 5 value)...
Maybe the mana cost should also be reduced of 82%?
When I will no more need Staff mastery for levelling, mana communion will not be a good reason to keep point in this category.



I should also add that I think MC was never meant to be the primary mana distribution spell. Think of it this way: when an ally needs HP, do you just cast Greater Healing?
I will say another think, when an ally need health I see the life his still has.
When an ally need mana, I only read "MANA"...


One last thing, where players ask NGD to "kill" mana communion?

Duplo

[I hope you can understand my english :D]