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chilko
09-23-2009, 10:03 PM
Hello everyone!

After analyzing this for a long time we have decided to make all mounts premium only. Also, in order to increase the value proposal for your Ximerin, now mounts are permanent and can be named.

The truth is that mounts have never been a good business case as a rent and they represent the premium content that required the more investment. We think that in this way, mounts will become a more attractive product for our customers and if their sales actually pick up, it may open us the possibility of adding more mounts and ways to customize them in the future.

In order for everyone to be able to have a mount, we have added the light horses at a low price and if you look at the whole pricing scheme is a good value considering the previous rent prices.

From now on a mount will be your character's mount for life!

Regards,

- Chilko

Inkster
09-23-2009, 10:06 PM
Business wise I think this a good step.

I rarely rented a premium mount basically due to price (think i only ever rented 2), so when i did use a mount, i tended to get a 1 day one with in game gold.

Now you have made it so we actually buy and own the mount at actually a reasonable price, i think the sales should increase

ArchmagusArcana
09-23-2009, 10:06 PM
+1 I love this idea.... I just bought my Main an Ignis Steed (looks the nicest imo). Ill bet you sell more horses in a week than in the last 6 months.

TheMessenger
09-23-2009, 10:08 PM
h.o so let me get this straight.

you nerf onsl cause it isnt suppose to be for transportation. now you take away light horses for mages w.o prem.

wow yea nice going. thanks for keeping players like me in mind +122323

Seher
09-23-2009, 10:27 PM
Bwaha nice idea to make players buy ximerin for the first time, I'm impressed :razz: (Even better than paint, I think)

Mattdoesrock
09-23-2009, 10:30 PM
I really dislike the 3 sec cast time, not to mention the increased distance between non-premium and premium players.

Now you can, say, Freeze someone; which is 7s on lvl 1, summon a horse and ride away in safety... :/

Pizdzius
09-23-2009, 10:39 PM
New mounts in the future, that sounds appealing to me that hopping green chicken isn't the only choice ^^ I have so many ideas in my head for the mounts. Those that are avaible now... well it seems like only the alsius one has some background and fits to the realm.

Chilko, can you answer to one question? You say, one mount for life, but I can still get rid of one to buy another if I change my mind?

chilko
09-24-2009, 12:20 AM
Chilko, can you answer to one question? You say, one mount for life, but I can still get rid of one to buy another if I change my mind?

you can buy them all!!! :)

(you still owe me an intro :) )

Garenthol_da_great
09-24-2009, 12:38 AM
I am not sure how feasible this would be (as it could influence PvP a bit) but maybe you could have e.g. the preliator's war-cry have an effect? (like a +5% attack damage area of 10 meters for 15 seconds?)
Because as it is I don't think I would consider buying a preliator just as a vanity product if I can buy 2 others and 2 100% boosters for the same price...
But the horse for life aspect is VERY nice, thx :drinks:

Nerlon
09-24-2009, 01:25 AM
just wanna mention one thing about the website.............

not all premium items listed there, also the description of mounts should be changed

regards,

Brother-brian
09-24-2009, 02:15 AM
May I suggest that temporary horses still be made available to players, for gold? That way, a pretty important part of the game isnt' dependant upon ximerin or class superiority (those who have ximerin to buy the only horses available, or classes that have speed boosts). Those with no speed in wz will be the most frequently targeted and the last to arrive for war zone activities, caue everyone else will have already been there.

This is still supposed to be a free-to-play game, remember.

animalartist
09-24-2009, 03:18 AM
So if, before the update, i already had a 30 day horse bought with xermin...what happens to it?
Is that now mine forever or will it vanish and i have to buy another?

Mieuy
09-24-2009, 05:32 AM
chilko, please check this topic http://www.regnumonline.nl/forum/showthread.php?t=48889

megalko
09-24-2009, 08:36 AM
Say farewell to players!

Inkster
09-24-2009, 09:26 AM
Just a note for people who have premium mounts before the update.
Why should you be able to keep the mount forever? after all when you payed
it was for a RENTAL not to buy outright.

You may all disagree but put it another way

I buy a house for 100 000 (i wish at that price)
4 months later the property value drops by 20 000
What are my chances of getting the 20k back?

OR

I buy a new tv set and a week later the same store has a special offer,
selling the same tv but now with a free dvd player. Would i get the free dvd player?

The answer to the 2 above is unlikely and no (obviously)

Or i rent a house for a year at 300 a month. I then get chance to buy the house.
Would i be refunded the rent? No as the house at that time was not mine

So to be honest your chances of getting the mount pre update for ever isnt very high
i think. This isnt something anyone should really complain about.

Pretty much any company in the world would refuse. Also technically the mounts are
now a different product, as before they were rental items, now they are not

Pizdzius
09-24-2009, 10:02 AM
you can buy them all!!! :)

(you still owe me an intro :) )

Awesome! :biggrin:

(wow I thought you forgot, you should make Surak more avaible to me then cause I asked for some things concerning intro and had no reply :razz: )

animalartist
09-24-2009, 10:28 AM
Ahh, I was just asking so I know what to expect. :beerchug:

Mieuy
09-24-2009, 11:48 AM
Just a note for people who have premium mounts before the update.
Why should you be able to keep the mount forever? after all when you payed
it was for a RENTAL not to buy outright.

You may all disagree but put it another way

I buy a house for 100 000 (i wish at that price)
4 months later the property value drops by 20 000
What are my chances of getting the 20k back?

OR

I buy a new tv set and a week later the same store has a special offer,
selling the same tv but now with a free dvd player. Would i get the free dvd player?

The answer to the 2 above is unlikely and no (obviously)

Or i rent a house for a year at 300 a month. I then get chance to buy the house.
Would i be refunded the rent? No as the house at that time was not mine

So to be honest your chances of getting the mount pre update for ever isnt very high
i think. This isnt something anyone should really complain about.

Pretty much any company in the world would refuse. Also technically the mounts are
now a different product, as before they were rental items, now they are not

If I buy a tv, and 1 week later I see another one way cheaper, I just take it back to the store as there is normally a 30 day take back incase you are not happy ;/ ..

As for the Benkku, I am not planning to spend another cent on them, as I already bought it. If I had known it would have been perm one month later, then I wouldn't have bought it, but would have wait for another month till buying it.

Orimae
09-24-2009, 01:17 PM
May I suggest that temporary horses still be made available to players, for gold? That way, a pretty important part of the game isnt' dependant upon ximerin or class superiority (those who have ximerin to buy the only horses available, or classes that have speed boosts). Those with no speed in wz will be the most frequently targeted and the last to arrive for war zone activities, cause everyone else will have already been there.

This is still supposed to be a free-to-play game, remember.

Exactly, mages have NO mobility at all, horses are the only way to get around, I think the way this update has been made is to make battles last longer, but in reality, it just excludes slower classes..a little unfair , and +1 to brother brian on his 'free to play ' comment, i ve spent xim on this game, but wont be spending anymore till horses are back for all, even lower the cost, 5k or 7k gold per 24 hours...:horsey:

Recoil
09-24-2009, 01:40 PM
F2P is free to pay.

Pizdzius
09-24-2009, 01:41 PM
If I buy a tv, and 1 week later I see another one way cheaper, I just take it back to the store as there is normally a 30 day take back incase you are not happy ;/ ..

As for the Benkku, I am not planning to spend another cent on them, as I already bought it. If I had known it would have been perm one month later, then I wouldn't have bought it, but would have wait for another month till buying it.

But as you know premium content doesn't have any 30 days warranty and you knew that before you bought your Benkku. Also read this:

I have logged into the game and verified that I can play Regnum Online and understand that my deposit is non-refundable.

Dupa_z_Zasady
09-24-2009, 01:49 PM
After analyzing this for a long time we have decided to make all mounts premium only.

That's fine! Can we have our onslaught taxi back then, please?

UmarilsStillHere
09-24-2009, 01:53 PM
The 10k gold mount was a responce to a series of threads moaning about premium users using mounts to their advantage in the war zone, the last of which was called

'no more horses in the warzone'

NGD's responce was the 10k horse, and flooding the wz with mounts for a week (oh the irony) so with mounts only useable via premium again I give it a month for the complaint threads to start again.

nole1
09-24-2009, 03:56 PM
Hello everyone!

After analyzing this for a long time we have decided to make all mounts premium only. Also, in order to increase the value proposal for your Ximerin, now mounts are permanent and can be named.

The truth is that mounts have never been a good business case as a rent and they represent the premium content that required the more investment. We think that in this way, mounts will become a more attractive product for our customers and if their sales actually pick up, it may open us the possibility of adding more mounts and ways to customize them in the future.

In order for everyone to be able to have a mount, we have added the light horses at a low price and if you look at the whole pricing scheme is a good value considering the previous rent prices.

From now on a mount will be your character's mount for life!

Regards,

- Chilko

Does that mean we wont be able to rent them from NPCs anymore?
U know that a lot of ppl cant buy xim not cause they dont want to but cause there is no paypal in certain countries...

Mieuy
09-24-2009, 04:10 PM
Does that mean we wont be able to rent them from NPCs anymore?
U know that a lot of ppl cant buy xim not cause they dont want to but cause there is no paypal in certain countries...

you can't buy mounts anymore at npcs. it is a shame.

Anpu
09-24-2009, 07:56 PM
Woot! Now users who can't buy premium, due to PayPal restrictions and your new payment security system, can only watch others riding around. :guitar:

-Edge-
09-24-2009, 08:03 PM
Woot! Now users who can't buy premium, due to PayPal restrictions and your new payment security system, can only watch others riding around. :guitar:
As if it wasn't easy enough for archers to run away. Now you can fight them by running away yourself. Just knockdown or stun your opponent and run away. :eguitar:

hfjsdh
09-24-2009, 08:04 PM
:guitar:It really would be cool if you added new mounts to the things and you could actually fight from the mounts cause that way more people would join RvR and if you had a charge attack that boosted speed and damage at contact. I know it might cost more but if not it dosen't really mater getting a mount
:guitar:

Anpu
09-24-2009, 08:05 PM
As if it wasn't easy enough for archers to run away. Now you can fight them by running away yourself. Just knockdown or stun your opponent and run away. :eguitar:
Pardon? Who was talking about tactics vs riders? I just said, users that are not able to buy ximerin, cannot buy horse anymore.

-Edge-
09-24-2009, 08:07 PM
Pardon? Who was talking about tactics vs riders? I just said, users that are not able to buy ximerin, cannot buy horse anymore.
That was sarcasm from rider side. I mean that its very imbalanced now more then ever because Premium users can run away in any situation, now that you can't buy horses for gold (FFS Why?) you have no chance at all.

Froste
09-24-2009, 08:28 PM
Also, in order to increase the value proposal for your Ximerin, now mounts are permanent


Thank you, I've been waiting a long time for that, yay for tangible items (:

UmarilsStillHere
09-25-2009, 03:35 PM
That was sarcasm from rider side. I mean that its very imbalanced now more then ever because Premium users can run away in any situation, now that you can't buy horses for gold (FFS Why?) you have no chance at all.

With 3 sec cast time on a mount any class could flee from a warrior at least with ease, 7 sec knock from feint, trip, ambush... 7 sec freeze, even a 5 sec cannot attack is enough...

Brother-brian
09-25-2009, 04:13 PM
And theyll sell more horses.... for about a week. Then zero. I predict horses will then be removed completely, due to a lack of sales.

Dupa_z_Zasady
09-25-2009, 04:53 PM
And theyll sell more horses.... for about a week. Then zero. I predict horses will then be removed completely, due to a lack of sales.

But since YOU expressed that loudly, it will be your fault.:p

Dannboy
09-25-2009, 04:58 PM
And theyll sell more horses.... for about a week. Then zero. I predict horses will then be removed completely, due to a lack of sales.

Brother Brain Detonation Nerf.

Nerf Brother-Brain only. XD
jking btw

AntibioTsu
09-25-2009, 09:13 PM
With 3 sec cast time on a mount any class could flee from a warrior at least with ease, 7 sec knock from feint, trip, ambush... 7 sec freeze, even a 5 sec cannot attack is enough...

1.5 secs for mages with devotion (5), due to the bug(?) on cast speed affecting horse cast :p (or was it corrected?). Looks like mages got a new escape spell...

Dhboy
09-25-2009, 09:40 PM
And theyll sell more horses.... for about a week. Then zero. I predict horses will then be removed completely, due to a lack of sales.

That will never happen with the influx of new players wanting mounts. :drinks:

Orimae
09-25-2009, 09:47 PM
That will never happen with the influx of new players wanting mounts. :drinks:

So...10 people start regnum this week...1 can buy xim...due to whatever reason...not really good economics...

I'm all for making battles last longer, but just how many people are going to log off because they are in realm after a reset, the main war party is at a fort miiiles away, they all die..and the one's left with no horse, are pissed cos they missed the action...again...

like today...Tenax..i seen more of the road running back from VS that the actual dragon..poinltess.


Brother Brain Detonation Nerf.

Nerf Brother-Brain only. XD
jking btw

and no your not muffinboy :P

monktbd
09-26-2009, 02:05 PM
And theyll sell more horses.... for about a week. Then zero. I predict horses will then be removed completely, due to a lack of sales.

As some others already mentioned there will be continuous sales from horses because each character would need one. That makes quite a few horses and also for each new character.

Also it is kind of pointless to say that mounts will be removed due to lack of sales because quite a lot of people who have xim did not buy mounts as they were easily obtainable with in game gold.

Also there has been a time where there were no gold buyable mounts before but only temporary xim mounts. I did not buy mounts back then and still was able to do all that boring running for quests on my Ra conj back then.

Xim only mounts fits perfectly into the business model for ngd (paying for saving time) although of course I liked the gold buyable ones.

Permanent ones do have a big advantage now because they are just always there and I guess I would have bought a permanent one even if gold buyable ones were still available.

As for how much this affects balance is another story that adds to lucky boxes, gem crafting premium etc... and is a bit worrysome.
But then items only make a difference when skills are equal and since I play like crap it does not really make much of a difference for me xD

chilko
09-26-2009, 02:30 PM
due to PayPal restrictions and your new payment security system

what new payment security system are you having trouble with?

Anpu
09-26-2009, 03:38 PM
what new payment security system are you having trouble with?
E-mail to customer@ngdstudios.com.ar was sent on 16th September 12.11 (GMT+02:00). Short description of error + screenshots were sent. E-mail used is the one from this profile(Anpu). Subject of e-mail was "Error in xim page."

Reply arrived 17.Sept. 17.38 (GMT-03:00), with explanation that due to new applied security changes, you cannot do anything for the error I reported. Subject of e-mail was "Re: Error in xim page.".

More details can be seen in Inbox/Outbox of Customer support service. I can also forward both e-mails, on your request.

deonnynthehunter
09-27-2009, 02:24 AM
awesome, gonna get some xim and buy a valkin, or maybe a steed.

Kerboga
09-28-2009, 01:35 PM
one question..
the mounts still have duration of one month, or all are infinite now?

:metal:

Recoil
09-28-2009, 02:05 PM
one question..
the mounts still have duration of one month, or all are infinite now?

:metal:


All premium mounts are infinite atm.

Kalik
09-28-2009, 02:19 PM
I have a few questions, me and my son are new.

Are all mounts the same speed? Is the raptor (sorry another game but unsure in this game) faster?

If I name it. Can I do a name change later?

- Thanks

Zodar
09-28-2009, 02:49 PM
awesome, gonna get some xim and buy a valkin, or maybe a steed.

Yup. I got a Valkin.

When horses were rental only, it was nice to have the option of getting one, but I rarely bothered as I'd either forget, or was too lazy to pop back into town to get one. I would not have rented a premium one, because, even as a slow, fat mage, I wouldn't use it enough.

Now, there seems to be a serious issue with regards to people who CAN'T buy Xim. I feel that NGD needs to address this pretty quick, as I know players who would willingly buy Xim if the system would allow them to.

For those of you who refuse to pay, or expect a free ride, if you'll excuse the pun LOL, its still a free to play game. I will agree that using a horse might save you a bit of time getting around, but you don't need one to play. It might be a little inconvienient, but that's the price you pay for playing for free.

For those of you who threaten to leave because of it - well, /me points at you and laughs :harhar:

Pizdzius
09-28-2009, 05:08 PM
I have a few questions, me and my son are new.

Are all mounts the same speed? Is the raptor (sorry another game but unsure in this game) faster?

If I name it. Can I do a name change later?

- Thanks

No mount is faster than other. You can change name if you buy another mount.
And welcome to the game!

e30G
09-28-2009, 05:42 PM
I suggest a sort of mid-way solution. Sell single use mounts for gold from NPCs. Single use means you can use it only once. Make it so that you are allowed to have a maximum of 2 gold mounts in your inventory. That way you have a mount going to your destination and 1 more to go back to town or to another destination. It will be much more convenient to buy premium mounts. I'm sure people who can get xim will opt for the premium versions.

Anpu
09-28-2009, 05:53 PM
NGD counts on making my old suggestion, "Ximerin as a gift", and that way to cover those who cannot buy it. Because now, friends cannot log in your account and buy Xim for you, probably to protect EU buying for $.

Pizdzius
09-28-2009, 06:04 PM
I suggest a sort of mid-way solution. Sell single use mounts for gold from NPCs. Single use means you can use it only once. Make it so that you are allowed to have a maximum of 2 gold mounts in your inventory. That way you have a mount going to your destination and 1 more to go back to town or to another destination. It will be much more convenient to buy premium mounts. I'm sure people who can get xim will opt for the premium versions.

That sounds interesting

Kerboga
09-28-2009, 07:28 PM
Thanks Lumi!! ;D

:eguitar:

Brother-brian
09-28-2009, 09:40 PM
ITs not like people are "getting away with" playing for free. THe game is advertised strongly as a free to play game. And since everyone in game has speed boosters except mages, they will now be the last to arrive at fort wars in time.

rental horses should still be an available choice, that's all.

Maaadddddiiieeee
09-29-2009, 12:54 AM
this is a good step for you guys, but you also need to consider that some kids parents dont let them use their cedit cards to get online items (such as Xim.). So i good thing to create would be prepaid cards. Not only would it be a good thing for kids and maybe some adults, but it's also an advertisement to draw people in.

Just a suggestion.

Maddie :)

Pizdzius
09-29-2009, 11:36 AM
How do you expect prepaid cards would work? They'd sell them all over the world? They don't have money to produce and introduce that, I bet. First thing they came up with is SMS payment, which even kids can buy.

e30G
09-29-2009, 11:48 AM
Prepaid cards are a viable solution for publishers, not game studios.

Arafails
09-30-2009, 02:18 AM
Okay I didn't think this would be too bad at first, but I didn't factor in cremation.

Either horses for gold needs to come back, or cremation ditched. I, and I'm sure a lot of other people, couldn't be arsed running all the way from (shaanarid|samal|menirah) altar to get to (eferias|algaros|trelleborg|imperia) that often. At the very least NGD could visit Piz's idea of a speed bonus on roads (which isn't ideal because then you'll have hunters stalking the roads all the time, but at least it'll make them feel useful).

Pizdzius
09-30-2009, 03:26 AM
Hey, true. Now that horses are not avaible to everyone, the road thing could actually be really meaningful

Jennifer
10-01-2009, 01:24 AM
A permanent mount is what i've been waiting for for a good while. However I agree with two points made by other players who have posted in this thread: paying players now have an advantage in battle. This was never supposed to happen; it is not good business. You will sell many mounts because of this, but you can only sell them once. Renting mounts is the more profitable option. Maybe you won't sell mounts fast, but you will sell them. Over a long period of time (a few years), renting will bring you much more profit than selling them outright.

I love the idea of owning a horse, but I am annoyed that a company such as this could be so ignorant of numbers.

Mid-way solutions are no good (i.e. offering single-use mounts). Offering a playable solution is best. I suggest a quest or series of quests for members to gain a basic, permanent mount if they cannot buy Ximerin.

Sicker
10-01-2009, 01:42 AM
like someone mentioned before, in this thread or somewhere else, i'd like to see them bring back the horses from the farrier you can buy for 10k.

Mashu
10-01-2009, 07:20 AM
The truth is that mounts have never been a good business

Dear Chilko,
The only reason why most players did not buy mounts for money, was because they were temporary.
Now after they became permanent I bought predliator since I invested some money for fun and I don't lose it.

The reason why You got more income now is mainly not because all mounts are for ximerins, but because they're permanent which don't scare off players.

Also not everyone had horse before, since you had to go into realm to get it every day.

Leaving poorer players without possibility to participate in war without horse, just make them leave. As a result you have less players in game, which makes overall game even more boring.

Most of players play this game, not because of the game itself, there are nicer games on market, but because of climate and people that are here:)

Please understand this.

animalartist
10-01-2009, 11:12 AM
Perhaps allow people to trade thier xmin horse with someone else?

Or an option to 'pick up' another player onto the horse? (2 astride).

Orimae
10-01-2009, 12:03 PM
By all means make premuim mounts permanent, but just dont take away our 10k gold a day ones...

Angel_de_Combate
10-01-2009, 12:57 PM
Mid-way solutions are no good (i.e. offering single-use mounts). Offering a playable solution is best. I suggest a quest or series of quests for members to gain a basic, permanent mount if they cannot buy Ximerin.

They have a new quest like that..i think you get a mount for like 10 mins..which is a bit tight imo. Id do some quests to get a basic mount..im not fussed if its a pretty one i just want to be able to get around quickly in game. Ah my other half just told me its £3.50(in UK) to get a enough ximerin to buy a basic mount, which isnt too shabby.

-Edge-
10-01-2009, 03:27 PM
Can NGD please share some insight on their stance toward this huge imbalance? There was no talk about WHY horses for gold were removed, there was no talk about its imbalance between paying and not paying customers, and there was no talk about how the problem will be addressed. (If it even will.)

It's starting to really tick me off that NGD talks about something completely irrelevant to the thread they post in. When it's just filled with posts on the same issue, NGD replies, but not on the issue, they just talk about something else not even mentioning the topic. When someone says something off topic NGD swoops in and highlights the reply to that, making it look like they replied to something they didn't. Examples are this thread and the many threads on evades, resists, grinding, missing quests (Medenet missing since 1.0.6 :thumb_up: Instead I was amazingly banned, but no reply done to the thread or problem, so it WAS read by NGD, just ignored)

My point is if you have time to post in a thread about something, or ban someone in a thread you read, at least respond to the topic.

Would be nice,
Kthxbai

Masterkick
10-01-2009, 04:19 PM
I beleieve the easiest way of not affecting F2P gameplay, is including Rental Horses (and only rental) to buy with gold. All other suggestions are good, but the easiest is this , I think, and they will still be selling the premium horses!

Live long and Prosper!

Pizdzius
10-01-2009, 04:25 PM
I wish NGD really looked into it and reconsider or at least talk with us :(

-Edge-
10-01-2009, 04:33 PM
I'm guessing NGD might have plans to reintroduce horses for gold, but only when they add their mount mods. (From what I understood from one of chilko's posts, mounts are going to be upgradeable and customizable like characters)
Meaning there will be diversity on a whole other plane from premium users, where the advantage is visual. But I feel this is another thing NGD starts, and finished months later. I thought they already said in the past that they would not repeat this mistakes where they pull in changes that are incomplete. Honestly they should take time and finish something fully, not leaving it half done.

Just a thought though at any rate.

Pizdzius
10-01-2009, 05:41 PM
[...]


pretty hard to introduce something fully if you aren't sure it's playable (just a thought, not exactly about mounts)

Veridius
10-03-2009, 10:20 AM
If mounts for gold were reintroduced now, there would probably be many players who bought one for Xim who would be pissed off.

Perhaps make the light mount rentable with gold again, make the warhorse and chicken/raptor/"thing-from-Hoth-in-Star-Wars-films" faster than the light horse, and keep them premium. ATM the price for a valkin is a bit steep considering the only extra thing you get over a light horse is a warcry, and you get that on a warhorse too.

Gawyn_Trakkand
10-04-2009, 01:51 AM
Best thing for a long time !0k horses where a waste of gold and rent a horse was a waste of xim now permanent mounts theres something i'll buy.

actually i already have 2 a light horse and an ignis steed. So what if there are no 10k gold horses left. I'm sure it wouldn't harm anyone if you speant a little xim on a mount.

Anpu: I know people have problems with buying xim in their countries and this is something NGD have to sort out should complaint threads like this keep popping up.

Torin_Ironfist
10-05-2009, 05:35 AM
Best thing for a long time !0k horses where a waste of gold and rent a horse was a waste of xim now permanent mounts theres something i'll buy.

actually i already have 2 a light horse and an ignis steed. So what if there are no 10k gold horses left. I'm sure it wouldn't harm anyone if you speant a little xim on a mount.

Anpu: I know people have problems with buying xim in their countries and this is something NGD have to sort out should complaint threads like this keep popping up.

I'm not so sure the issue is about having a horse or not having a horse. It is about the imbalance created when you allow premium users to have this advantage and don't leave a (lesser) alternative for the non-premium users.

Hamster_of_sorrow
11-10-2009, 05:52 PM
As if it wasn't easy enough for archers to run away. Now you can fight them by running away yourself. Just knockdown or stun your opponent and run away. :eguitar:

I was attacked by an archer once, he knew he was going to lose so he hit me with ambush (4) and rode away on a horse before i could get up

jackohan9
11-10-2009, 06:16 PM
The Light horse has a VERY reasonable price. This is the first time i actually paid for a game, I just wanted to have a horse. Now I also started buying boosters by sms, once you sms for a horse, you continue smsing for more stuff, like paint etc. This way NGD will make even more money, so I think it's a very good idea :D

jackohan9
11-10-2009, 06:18 PM
I'm not so sure the issue is about having a horse or not having a horse. It is about the imbalance created when you allow premium users to have this advantage and don't leave a (lesser) alternative for the non-premium users.

What I see, is that horses aren't that fast, they should be faster imo. So the "imbalance" you're talking about isn't that big. And there will always be "imbalance" between premium and non-premium, premium pay for the game, they deserve to get better gameplay.

Brother-brian
11-10-2009, 06:50 PM
the issue over horses, imo, should not be over who has them (rentable horses should be option for everyone), nor how fast they go (all horses should be same speed). Premium horses are, imo, premium because they are premanent, and name-able.

Rentable horses should be re-introduced for those who cant or wont buy ximerin, but should still remain 24 hr and 7 day options, and should not be name-able. So, they should come back as they were before update, while keeping permanent horses as an option.

LoveleHaven
11-10-2009, 07:11 PM
Awesome. But I think the mount speed shall be upgraded with 10-15% more. It's really not that fast atm. And yeah I suggested mounts to last a lifetime after you buy them now like 1.5 years and it got developed :D

Pnarpa
11-10-2009, 09:32 PM
Awesome. But I think the mount speed shall be upgraded with 10-15% more. It's really not that fast atm. And yeah I suggested mounts to last a lifetime after you buy them now like 1.5 years and it got developed :D

So it's actually your fault I have to run 10 minutes to get somewhere with my slow mage? It's fun really. 10 minutes of running, 5 minutes of fighting, dead, 10 minutes of running, and so on. They should've nerfed YOU! :rale:

Pizdzius
11-10-2009, 09:44 PM
Awesome. But I think the mount speed shall be upgraded with 10-15% more. It's really not that fast atm. And yeah I suggested mounts to last a lifetime after you buy them now like 1.5 years and it got developed :D

I don't think it was your suggestion that made NGD implement the variable horses AND special mounts. The horses were in the game already but without rugging yet.

ncvr
11-11-2009, 04:11 AM
What I see, is that horses aren't that fast, they should be faster imo. So the "imbalance" you're talking about isn't that big. And there will always be "imbalance" between premium and non-premium, premium pay for the game, they deserve to get better gameplay.
The maximum possible speed anyone can run is +50% (yeah, I'm aware it's been brought up that speed bonuses aren't what they used to be after the 20% speed boost but let's ignore that for now). Horses run at +50%. Any faster would widen the gap between premium and non-premium users (by allowing premium users to quickly mount and get out of the 'danger zone' faster).

LoveleHaven
11-11-2009, 10:15 AM
So it's actually your fault I have to run 10 minutes to get somewhere with my slow mage? It's fun really. 10 minutes of running, 5 minutes of fighting, dead, 10 minutes of running, and so on. They should've nerfed YOU! :rale:

Hm? My fault? Why because I suggested horses :P But yeah a bit faster horses would be awesome because it's really slow and you have to go a lot :)

Pnarpa
11-11-2009, 10:35 AM
I'm sorry. I was just frustrated after another day of getting left behind by all the horses and speed buffs. >.>

LoveleHaven
11-11-2009, 11:01 AM
LoL. But hey it's ok you're not the only one. :)