Horus: Alsius New Clan for Training [AoA]

[Comp]

For all interested. Ascendancy is trying something new - We hope this works out well and assists Horus Alsius. We've broken the clan up into two clans.

Ascendancy (Pure waring group, high levels, etc).
Acolytes of Ascendancy [AoA] (Grinding, war training clan).

Acolytes of Ascendancy [AoA]
This clan is for grinding, anyone is welcome. The purpose is to help move lower level players into the ranks of the fighting faster. We'll conduct warfare training in teaching new players pvp, fort war, and open field tactics. We are hoping we can get more interest in war by getting them when they are younger in level. We'll have dedicated support conjurers to assist when needed and tons of information available via our clan forum and through our IRC channel.

Ascendancy
Ascendancy's purpose hasn't changed...it's just now more focused.


If this works and we stay focused (and we get interest from lower leveled players) I think we'll have a huge impact on making Alsius more "war friendly". We want to help where we can....and this is one method we came up with.

Wish us luck....and those interested in joining AoA - recruiting is open.

[Shwish]

Best of luck for this project, we really need it. Id would really like to see all active clans alsius somehow merge into these two to create some kind of brotherhood to establish a sense of coordination.

Ive seen how well the Ascendancy guys work together as a team. ive even gone as far to say that the only time when we are really good is when we lead by one of you guys and everyone in my clan chat could second that. So for that knowledge to be bestowed upon everyone would be a great thing.

keep up the good work dudes

[Truewar]

Good luck Comp! Good luck to all Ascendancy clan.

I really wish you success and I`ll repeat words of Quiver (very good player that I didn`t see more than for year) he told me once: "You do the Great Job for Aslius".

Well... I haven`t done great job for that realm and will not do. Maybe you will.

[UmarilsStillHere]

Nice to see some clan making an active effort to train new players up for warzone, just taking Trele back today I saw a conju making a fair few basic errors and getting himself killed largely because he didnt know how to position himself.

[Klutu]

Well were gonna try our best - spent some time in mont past few days helping out younger lvls - i always promote regnum.wikia on realm chat and to new players

And im also trying to encourage more grind parties

had a fairly good sized 1 going :)

shame we didn't have a conj though xD

[Henri_Freundlich]

And im also trying to encourage more grind parties

had a fairly good sized 1 going :)

Funny, Alsius have always had Grind Parties going - though the numbers have reduced around August/September last year.

Hopefully the co-ordination effort will be extended onto the General (Alsius) Public (http://i48.tinypic.com/69fp.jpg), and not just focused on attracting new members for a specific clan (http://i49.tinypic.com/js23ie.jpg).

Best of luck!

[Klutu]

haha Comp owes me 5$ xD

I said soon as i posted on this thread Ulrin would of came in with a smug comment & screenshots :P

- just because were doing this doesn't mean we want everyone in our clan, we simply want more people who are trained for the warzone in the realm.

All clans are 1 in every realm. Players all fight & play together couldnt care less if a player switched clans or stays

i think i love Samsara more then my own clan xD

[Gawyn_Trakkand]

AoA is basically a boot camp it's main objective to train new guys who otherwise get bored and quit RO or get to 20 and ragequit Alsius. AoA members will have a chance to join ascendancy and yes this may be a primary choice for them, as the members of ascendancy have alts in AoA they can however join whoever they want or stay if they so choose.

We do not take away anyones free will in this clan even if Comp does look like Merciless Ming

[Comp]

We're trying to help Alsius...if they want to Join Ascendancy when they are asked...they can - no one forces joining any clan.

What I'd rather not see - is people flaming this attempt at helping the Realm. We split our current clan apart so that we have enough alternate members in the new clan to support those trying to gain levels.

Now, will this help Ascendancy....maybe if the people choose to join, will this help the Realm...for certain

IF - people back the idea. The sister clan is ran by Ascendancy members...I don't see many people jumping at the chance to help low leveled players grind :P

So....lets be adult, not children....give constructive criticism...don't flame.

Thanks!!

[Minorian]

I have seen this at in many other games, and I have to say, it is a great way for newbies to meet other newbies, and help each other lvl. It is also good to keep a few very good high lvl players in the beginner clan, because they need to organize/direct the new players.

[blood-raven]

this is a very good idea indeed, i hope this can be copied by other realms in alsius to get alsius back on tracks, this is realy one of the best idea's of coping realm inbalance so far, maybe it's non of your business but i think it will help.

regards

good luck!

[Mr_Egg]

This is a great idea!

I hope it works out and Alsius becomes more powerful in the warzone. :)

[Altara]

Its good that you guys are tring to help Alsius and get the realm back on track.
But I have one, serious question,
Why cant it be one clan? Or in other words why do you need two clans?

[Vythica]

Won't work. I can guarantee it. Mark my words, write this down, take a screenshot. All that will happen is to create animosity towards people who are in the "real" clan. I promise it happened, we tried it , it doesn't work.

Aside from that, Altara makes a good point, why two clans? Tired of alts and noobs dragging your RP ratio down? :D You don't have to lie to kick it, Compost.

[Klutu]

We want 1 clan to be ready to war - people who are online in that clan we know what they are looking for

The other clans more Relaxed and user friendly - People can grind in peace

@ vyth it has worked in the past & we don't care about rp count :)

[Altara]

Okay allow me to express some views

1. All of these new players in this lower level clan, most will probably be new to RO wont know any of the mechanics, or how RO works. Being in a different clan and a separate chat, who will they ask? and since they are in a different clan, they wont have a list of people in the higher level clan, if say they only had Compost Klutu and Jippy on their friends list, they need help but no one in the new clan knows how to help them. sure they could ask realm chat but you cant ask realm chat about tactics which brings me to the next point.

2. Tactics, we all have them all are different but we all have specific ones we follow. Like kill the conju. To make a Syrtis hunter run kill the pet, Don't upgrade a fort if you want a real fight, little things like that, we all know. Except the new players. I don't know for sure, but I would hope you guys talk about thing like that in your waring clan. And instead of making the mistakes they could learn just by watching you chat.

3. Who is in charge of this new clan? As in, who created it? I have nothing really to state here just a question on who is willing to do it. But like Vyth said, and as I said when you "remade" it only sound like you're trying to keep the RP to member ratio.
I see no legit reason it cant be one clan.

[Klutu]

Simply trying something different.

[Anyriand]

We have an active forum, an IRC channel, all of our active members and leaders will have alts in AoA... we'll see how it goes.

I'm 100% behind this idea. :clapclap:


Tired of alts and noobs dragging your RP ratio down?
Actually if you think about it, those so called noobs also have RP, and at most they bring us up in the rankings, not down, so getting rid of them wouldn't help in that.

We're not trying to split the clan, we're trying to bring everyone together in what is Ascendancy's mentality: WAR. By having new, lower-level members join AoA, they will be surrounded by this from day 1, instead of getting dragged into what seems to be Alsius state-of-mind atm: afk, grind, refuse to fight.

*Might* not work, but it's definitely worth a try.

[Comp]

I'll try to answer all your concerns...because they are well communicated.

1) 1. All of these new players in this lower level clan, most will probably be new to RO wont know any of the mechanics, or how RO works. Being in a different clan and a separate chat, who will they ask? and since they are in a different clan, they wont have a list of people in the higher level clan, if say they only had Compost Klutu and Jippy on their friends list, they need help but no one in the new clan knows how to help them. sure they could ask realm chat but you cant ask realm chat about tactics which brings me to the next point.


We have many current Ascendancy members who are grinding alternates in the new clan. Most of these members (including myself) are lvl 50 and been around the block a few times. As far as communication goes, we have an active clan IRC where most of us are in all the time and we have a very active forum now. On this forum will be instructional information, links, discussions, etc.


2. Tactics, we all have them all are different but we all have specific ones we follow. Like kill the conju. To make a Syrtis hunter run kill the pet, Don't upgrade a fort if you want a real fight, little things like that, we all know. Except the new players. I don't know for sure, but I would hope you guys talk about thing like that in your waring clan. And instead of making the mistakes they could learn just by watching you chat.


Our waring clan talks about this yes, but we cut down on the chatter for war by splitting the two. Now the "war" clan has the chat explicitly for communicating in war. Granted Mumble would be great; however, some of us can't use mumble when we play (example - me, I have to listen for the kids if they wake up and if at work during lunch to answer phone, etc). Tactics will be taught in event format where we'll take the new clan (once it is well established) out on hunts, open field fights, and fort wars with us.


3. Who is in charge of this new clan? As in, who created it? I have nothing really to state here just a question on who is willing to do it. But like Vyth said, and as I said when you "remade" it only sound like you're trying to keep the RP to member ratio.
I see no legit reason it cant be one clan.


The same leadership of Ascendancy is in charge of AoA. Since we all have alts that we grind also this works out well and fine. As for the "rp" - uh...it's useless to even bring it up. I have the most RP in Alsius at the moment...and I would give it all up if I could do something with it. RP means nothing to our clan...reset all of our RP to zero...we won't care. Our goal here is to:

1) Help those grinding do it faster and train them a bit in war
2) Have a clan that is well trained together, knowns each other's tactics and operates quickly and efficiently.


In the end...will this work? I hope so - I'm optimistic about it. I'd really like to see Alsius get alot better, get a kick in the pants for thirsting to war, and all out have fun...even if your grinding. If this doesn't work...nothing is lost but Ascendancy's time and effort. We are doing this....I am taking time out to offer up services to support grinders (as is everyone else in the clan).

So, rather than think Ill of us and assume the worst, try to think positive.

[Vythica]

Actually if you think about it, those so called noobs also have RP, and at most they bring us up in the rankings, not down, so getting rid of them wouldn't help in that.

Actually I said ratio, as in RP per capita. While true, these newbs will more than likely have RP, it will lower the average. Let's let Mr. Mathematics help us demonstrate this:

Assume the following;
x = number of people in a clan
y = rp each member contributes
t = total clan rp

x*y=t

K, now let's run this to it's logical conclusion;

t/x=y

Now add a newb;

(x+1)*(y+</=0)=t

but if you run that to it's logical conclusion we find that

t/x=y but that this "new" y is less than the original, meaning that the RP per member has gone down.
QED.

[Altara]

I'll try to answer all your concerns...because they are well communicated.


Thank you Compost, Good luck with the clan. :]

[Mbwana]

lol, I hate math ^^

I think that this new clan for training is an awesome idea; a clan where you don't have to worry about taking back forts from rp farming zergs, devote your time to grinding a char to WZ readiness, helping out new players, giving tips or asking for them without feeling too noobish etc etc

and then we have a seperate clan where war is everything so that when you need help at a fort or elsewhere, you know you get it :)

[Vythica]

Here's one for ya, say you have a lvl 43 knight, he's high enough to start warring, but not all the time because he has a lot of grinding left to do, but man he really wants a break...

wut do?

Switch clans? Join the "real" clan and then be a grinder in the war clan? Stay in the "newb" clan and be warring? OMG that violates all the sense in having two specialized clans!!!!!1
Observation one; one clan is better.
Observation two; this appears to be all about RP ratio, no matter what you claim. The reasons are weak to support splitting your clan. If it wasn't why bother posting in the forums?

[Comp]

Here's one for ya, say you have a lvl 43 knight, he's high enough to start warring, but not all the time because he has a lot of grinding left to do, but man he really wants a break...

wut do?

Switch clans? Join the "real" clan and then be a grinder in the war clan? Stay in the "newb" clan and be warring? OMG that violates all the sense in having two specialized clans!!!!!1
Observation one; one clan is better.
Observation two; this appears to be all about RP ratio, no matter what you claim. The reasons are weak to support splitting your clan. If it wasn't why bother posting in the forums?

Vythica - please stop...really. This has absolutely nothing to do with RP ratio...it's not even tracked as a value in-game.

[Saltor]

Here's one for ya, say you have a lvl 43 knight, he's high enough to start warring, but not all the time because he has a lot of grinding left to do, but man he really wants a break...

wut do?

Switch clans? Join the "real" clan and then be a grinder in the war clan? Stay in the "newb" clan and be warring? OMG that violates all the sense in having two specialized clans!!!!!1
Observation one; one clan is better.
Observation two; this appears to be all about RP ratio, no matter what you claim. The reasons are weak to support splitting your clan. If it wasn't why bother posting in the forums?

Ratio has no bearing on this. Check the leader boards tonight and see what happens. Ascendancy had the top slots in all categories for Horus/Alsius .. I'm sure that will drop.

It's a simplification. It will allow the WZ junkies to concentrate on war without being asked to help kill a pendant holder and grinders won't have to listen to unending complaints about hax0rs, zergs, and Fuerst in the OC.

I've taken both my characters out of Ascendancy and put them in AoA, many of us have alts in there as well. Help and advice will be available. When the time comes and someone gets an invitation to Ascendancy, they can decide if they're ready to focus on war or continue grinding up a bit longer.

Helping new people along and getting some tactics and teamwork going is a bad thing? :thumb_down:

[Vythica]

Rawr, here come the teeth. Don't be so defensive. Unless...

[Malevolence]

I just wanted say lol!

[Immune]

Rawr, here come the teeth. Don't be so defensive. Unless...

Why are you posting here? First post says: "For those interested." You don't seem interested. Why would you be? You don't play in Alsius. If you're just bored, there's this game called Regnum you could go play...

Even if you are genuinely interested (forgive me for doubting), do you really care about rp? If so, calm down, our total rp actually goes down from this! If not, then why are you commenting on it? Ratio? Perhaps it will increase... and? That's just as pointless as rp itself.

You claim we are doing this for rp. No, even worse, rp ratio!!! Whatever will you do?! Clearly we all must be evil minded arch-demons plotting devious schemes for our delicious rp. :devil:

Except for the part where we're not... :¬¬:

[Vythica]

Well I was just kinda talking shit, until you guys fed me...

[Shwish]

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Like they said, this isnt 100% sure to be successful but its worth giving it a poke. i dont see anyone else standing up for alsius at the moment. I fight besides these guys everyday and i can say that rp is the last of thier concerns so by saying they doing this just to increase thier rp ratio is just a mindless malicious stab in the dark in order to spark an arguement.

Ascendancy is a good clan with good intentions. By building a foundation for new players they are trying to solve an ever growing problem in our realm and by splitting it into war-based and training based clans they are creating that communication and organization we need in the warzone. I see players doing stupid things everyday (me included) because they didnt know any better and didnt have any real mentors. If you dont like that idea, its fine, just dont badmouth them and make false accusations. With that said, i can do with some of this training myself so hopefully i can tag along when you guys do one of your training runs.

[Henri_Freundlich]

haha Comp owes me 5$ xD

I said soon as i posted on this thread Ulrin would of came in with a smug comment & screenshots :P


Smug comment? Yeah, Right. Not my fault you can't decipher my message. Also, don't be ridiculous. Compost owes you nothing - informally or otherwise.

Screenshots - no further comments. Readers can go look themselves if they want.

Grinding - from my own experience, clans are definitely not needed for pure grinding. As long as the Grind Parties are publicized - advertised a few times in Realm Chat, newcomers should be able to easily locate grind parties. That's how I found grinding parties - and met decent folks in-game.

Vultureman, The Sweetness, Elli, flogger, Windrium, Ares, Healer-Myth and Torin Ironfist were among the first group of people I found myself grinding with, and chatting. Though I've had a few people briefly help me before with quests etc - Kianoni, Sydonay, Ogre...

Then naturally found myself grinding with other decent people - with potential and pro-Community - like Archangel, Rohan Knight, Sparta, Urizen, Durwyn, Erok, Asdaf Mage, Klos, Anyriand, Knekeloveste, Castingbeast, Falcorn Bosso, Kyrottimus, Bluie, Lly'ra, Veer Gupt, Simlis... Just off the top of my head (apologies if I left someone out).

All those individuals discovered, on my own, without being pulled into a "pro-grinding" clan.

- Will AoA work? Yes and No - based on all the feedback I've read so far. While it may well give MMO newcomers the necessary, basic cognitive skills of analyzing the battlefield and casting the right spells at the right time, it also has the potential to promote Elitism and Favouritism - two unacceptable concepts from the Real World that hinders real progress and real competition. Not to mention the possible anti-invasion messages that they may hand out...

Quoting Prokofy Neva (http://secondthoughts.typepad.com/second_thoughts/2008/06/the-fic-25.html) (yes, I like using Prokofy's blog posts as references - a lot - since her posts are often right on point):

[Favouritism], which you can think of as "the kool kids" or "the jocks and cheerleaders" or "the inside dopes" or however you called it in your high-school or your office, where perhaps you rage and gnash your teeth at the fact that people who seem to do less work or have less talent or even less fabulousness than you still get ahead through connections, favour-banks, or sleeping their way to the top. Or even if they DO deserve their spot in the Hall of Fame, because they DO work their asses off and DO have talent, you feel, but wait...what about the people with no talent? What about justice? What about fairness? I work hard, too!

Three possible pathways, in a nutshell.

One. The program is a success, with at least some of the issues I mentioned dissolved.

Two. Mild success, with rampant Favouritism and Elitism. Which in turn ruins other clans, gameplay etc.

Three. Miserable failure, for some reason.

When I wrote "Best of Luck" earlier, I really meant it, in a non-cynical way. Managing communities isn't easy; managing young children is hard. Managing young'uns AND discouraging unacceptable practices such as Favouritism and Elitism is harder - something Compost may be able to achieve. Doubt his counterpart/partner-in-crime is capable, though.
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[Vythica]

so by saying they doing this just to increase thier rp ratio is just a mindless malicious stab in the dark in order to spark an arguement.

You're 100% right. I think I said that. That being said, you can't train someone in Regnum. Experience comes from getting your ass kicked repeatedly. Then you start to figure out what spells work to counter others etc etc.

90% of this game is knowing how your opponent plays. Like, I know for a fact that if I land an MS on Klutu, he'll run, if I kill Compost's pet, he'll run. I know that Stooge will stand there taking hit after hit as long as he has arrows and a conju or nine to heal him. I know that Llayne uses Def roar 4, and that Smurv's attacks are all based around CC and spears. Everybody can figure out how to follow a zerg and hit a door. That's all there is to RO, that and learning how to kick specific player's asses. That's the key.

Sorry but Compost's boot camp for Alsius noobs can't teach that.

[Vythica]

Sorry for the double post, but +1 to Ulrin. Agree completely.

[VandaMan]

Experience comes from getting your ass kicked repeatedly. Then you start to figure out what spells work to counter others etc etc.

Unless you're me, I've just always been pr0.

[Comp]

Well, regardless of what the two nay-sayers may think or feel....we are still trying this out.

Optimistic: If this works, awesome there's a nice place to grind (or find grinding groups) and a nice place to learn some tactics where questions are answered through the forum, irc, and clans chats. Alsius will get more higher level players faster because the boredom of grinding is a bit negated by having a group to do it with. I don't know about you all...but finding a group to grind with in Alsius has always been difficult....you typically see our grinders struggling to grind alone. Alsius will also get the benefit of having these grinders trained a bit on warfare.

Pessimistic: If this doesn't work....nothing is lost. The term "You don't know until you try" applies here. We are trying this regardless of the trolls that exist under the forum bridge.

Good News: We have members from other clans that have asked us if they can help - of course the answer is yes. All help is welcome and we appreciated any effort. The guys that leave AoA have their choice of ANY clan in the Realm....and I can only hope that the wealth of what can be learned in AoA is spread through all the clans...not just Ascendancy.

Now, can this carry on in a mature manner? Don't know that is up to a few of the posters in here simply trying to troll for argument or feed their superiority complexes....whatever the case may be.

Lets keep it positive...even criticism can be positive.

[Vythica]

Lets keep it positive...even criticism can be positive.

I'm positively sure this will fall on it's ass.

I'm not nay-saying. I'm telling the truth. Everyone always wants people to agree with them, but some people's lot in life is to be the rude, unmerciful, painful, harsh, and more often than not truthful, reality check. My previous post is probably one of the clearest breakdowns of what is needed to be successful in RO. Teach that at Compost/Sun Tzu's school for hairy people. Vyth's philosophy of War 101.

[HuntShot]

xD Ascendancy spells Acolyte wrong, everytime I see someone he is an Ackolyte
Weird enough. :p

[Comp]

xD Ascendancy spells Acolyte wrong, everytime I see someone he is an Ackolyte
Weird enough. :p

You made me check it out - if they were misspelled before they aren't now since that rank doesn't exist. But thanks regardless....

[blood-raven]

i tried this with my clan to, that's why we train in the arena some of the times, to see our tactics, this can work if everybody listens to each other, also go on a hunt together, best is by 2 so you notice how your tactics fit with other members, i had a fight ones with a polish lock (to bad i forgot he's name) and we where the ideal of cooperation, without a sultar we kicked back 3 ignis attacks with 5-4 players, but in my clan i can cooperate best with bloodmage and time-to-die, we did great in alsius:p.
but in the longrun when you start to know each others battle style you can easely addept and cooperate very good.

so let noone tell you that tactics are not worth looking in to!

regards

[Fiver]

I for one think this has great merit for any realm. I would suggest that as a requirement have all grind parties lvl 30 and above in the warzone.....GET SOME!!!

Take your beating and learn under fire, help your realm.

Teaching how to grind in a party is huge, not doing to much dmg and stealing exp and using to much mana straining your conj. =]

[Paradosa]

i think i love Samsara more then my own clan xD

Awwwww <3<3<3

[Henri_Freundlich]

.you typically see our grinders struggling to grind alone

As I stated earlier, this is an incorrect assumption. Sure, grinding parties have reduced over the last ~9 months or so. Grind clans may help, but are not necessary.

or feed their superiority complexes....

Geez... You try to be nice, with almost-positive criticisms, and you receive this "superiority complexes" knee-jerk reaction. Not that surprising, however.

Self-centered people always think along the lines of "They're attacking me and my ideals! Let's denounce and discredit them!" rather than "They're providing helpful feedback. Let's try and nullify their concerns by trying to adopt at least some of their suggestions, even if they were portrayed in a negative manner".

Must I point everything out to you? lol

Only real problem with Alsius is the lack of involvement from higher leveled players to retake forts that are lost. Most would rather grind for that uber gem...and why...so they can hit the next mob harder since all they do is pve.

Compost's exaggerated? assesment of Alsius, nine months earlier. (http://regnumonline.com.ar/forum/showpost.php?p=796816&postcount=34) Now that his Clan is well established, he radically sings a different (also quite possibly out-of-key) tune. Wouldn't be ig (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGCjI1NUCFI&fmt=18#t=5m30s)noring criticisms from the Thinkers and put ridiculous, direct-denouncing connotations like "superiority complex" on them, if he was really serious about helping Alsius.

[Comp]

Not sure if you have noticed yet or not Ulrin...

No one cares to listen to you now. It's been realized your simply trying to troll - as I've said before I don't think I have ever met a more negative person. That's fine - you don't play the game anymore, maybe your bored..dunno. But go find someplace else to do it.


One a Side Note...

I am glad to see so much support in this from everyone else. I thank you tons - and hope that if we need help those in Alsius will be more than happy to help.

[Henri_Freundlich]

It's been realized your simply trying to troll

Don't you mean 'Klutu/Klutu's friends think you're trolling'?

I'm sure Klutu and his circle of friends are actively denouncing me behind my back right now, but that's fine. Their loss, in the long run.

Compost, If you can't be bothered listening to/debating my troll-free suggestions (http://regnumonline.com.ar/forum/showpost.php?p=1051161&postcount=31), that's fine also.

Corporations like Intel are predicting the rise of the 3D Web, with Virtual Worlds like Second Life and MMOs like WoW combining into a general web-like Next Generation platform in as early as five years time. It is imperative that Future Generations don't carry real life mistakes (such as Favouritism and Elitism) onto Virtual Environments - something that ignorants out there won't understand, ever.

Precisely why I'm fussing over such minor issues in a relatively small, isolated environment, and even being falsely labeled as a "troll" in the process.

Side note: I haven't quit Regnum.

[Minorian]

Made me laugh, you said troll free suggestions, and the link took me to a post of yours, where the first sentence is trolling xD

[DkySven]

I close this to prevent further mud-throwing. Personal issues can be handled over PM.