Syrtis itensX Population

[Topogigio_BR]

Do you think Syrtis would have this huge amount of ppl if they dont have satargo sword, eve bow, eve hammer, and other's best weapon/amu in the game?

[Shwish]

to be honest i dont agree with that. you only discover those things later in the game so it has no effect on your initial realm choice unless you're jumping realms. With that said, id still like to see boss and quest items equally balanced amoungst the three realms.

NGD described the overpopulation problem to be caused by the "Legolas effect" which makes the most sense to me.

[Tigerious]

Yes, I don't think ppl come to syrtis for drops (maybe some of them).

I think the major attractive thing is the greenish land, there is a topic about this already opened.

[time-to-die]

Yes, I don't think ppl come to syrtis for drops (maybe some of them).

Yes. Because my first day on regnum i just clik on the green flag and make a char. I didn't know what a realm was. And if you are a new player you dont know what evendim bow is or that stuff.

with kind regards.

[tikinho]

I came in Syrtis because of Satarco sword. Also I have great claymore special with same dmg... Maybe should post pic of it but lazy...

[Gytha_Ogg]

Do you think Syrtis would have this huge amount of ppl if they dont have satargo sword, eve bow, eve hammer, and other's best weapon/amu in the game?

Yes, they have a lot of stuff going for them, the 'Legolas effect', pleasant scenery, the 'good guys' backstory (back when you actually saw the backstory when you started the game), and once you get a little bigger than the other guys, the high population becomes self-sustaining. If you have lots of people telling their friends about the game, those friends are more likely to join your realm, so it just expands from there.

[UmarilsStillHere]

Yes they would, I knew nothing of any of those items when I joined Syrtis, infact most of them didnt even exist back then, yet Syrtis was still the most populated realm.

I guess its the same for most Syrtis players.

[HuntShot]

Yes it matters, and not a little bit.

A pro player would go from Alsius to Syrtis is he would know(if he wouldnt be loyal to his realm) that syrtis got the most op'ed Weapons, Everybody wants to win I would say give the Hammer to alsius, and a good spear or no even better give the bow to alsius and give the hammer to Ignis.

That would be WAY more fair!

[time-to-die]

Yes it matters, and not a little bit.

A pro player would go from Alsius to Syrtis is he would know(if he wouldnt be loyal to his realm) that syrtis got the most op'ed Weapons, Everybody wants to win I would say give the Hammer to alsius, and a good spear or no even better give the bow to alsius and give the hammer to Ignis.

That would be WAY more fair!

Ummmmh. I agree with you.
with kind regards

[ice_zero_cool]

I too think that it's the "role of the good" or just the green environment.
(Or maybe the place of the flag when choosing realm [I don't know where the flag now is, but formerly the syrtis flag was the one on the left side, quasi the first flag]

I would say give the Hammer to alsius, and a good spear or no even better give the bow to alsius and give the hammer to Ignis.
And about that: Evendim is a war zone boss just like Daen Rha and Thorkul. So it doesn't really matter which one of these three(eve, rha, thork) drops these items since everybody can get them.

[Dupa_z_Zasady]

Syrtis hasn't lvl 5 beetle swarm casted by lvl 17 mob.^^

[blood-raven]

to hell with your syrtis op treads, goats and smurfs are reading us like crazy, sheesh.

regards

[Kittypretty]

I was simply lazy..I thought green would be a more soothing color than white/dull brown if i had to spend hours of my days looking at it. This however was awhile back, so there was no eve. However after seeing and playing in other realms (mostly just to check the redesigned inner zone when they were first touted) I probably wouldnt be so apt to pick syris again.

What keeps me from trying ofc is the backward going system. they want grinding easier, yet at every possible chance TO make its easier..they instead make it more frustrating.

[tjanex]

I just klicked at the flag didn't know what a Realm was I didn't know anything lol. They should see some pics of the realm and the chars you can make before you can make a desicion!

Would be cooler and more people can make the right desicion :)

[time-to-die]

I just klicked at the flag didn't know what a Realm was I didn't know anything lol. They should see some pics of the realm and the chars you can make before you can make a desicion!

ahhaha Tjan. I have the same. i didnt know what a realm was. But than i heard of kingdom and a kingdom is a realm:D. So when i was level 10 i knew it.
With kind regards.

[Minorian]

I chose Ignis because a friend told me too >.> But I have quite often considered going to Syrtis for the items, but the thought of the grind is too much for me.

[HuntShot]

And about that: Evendim is a war zone boss just like Daen Rha and Thorkul. So it doesn't really matter which one of these three(eve, rha, thork) drops these items since everybody can get them.

Oh yes it does!

Dude, if alsius tries to do Evendim a hunter will track us thats for sure, he will tell all his friends, everybody he knows to attack Alsius on 50% of eve's hp and then they continue.

I dont know what they will do but they will do something.
I never saw Ignis do Thorkull or Alsius do Eve thats just Bullsh*t.
And you know it.

Even though the bosses are in the warzone, the save is much closer from your own boss and is much closer to your own realmwall, closer to forts etc.

So yes, It Does Matter ;)

[Evangeline]

u guyes are all wrong, ofc gear and good weaps is influent but it doesnt determine a realm as "the best" or "the most populated", its about skill not about items... :beerchug:

[Minorian]

u guyes are all wrong, ofc gear and good weaps is influent but it doesnt determine a realm as "the best" or "the most populated", its about skill not about items... :beerchug:

The problem is, will all the incredible nerfs to spells and stuff, norml hits are more important than ever, and nowadays gear is what really matters.

[Evangeline]

its not trust me, teamwork is better than all the gear combined...

[HuntShot]

its not trust me, teamwork is better than all the gear combined...

No it isnt:sifflote:

xD Nowadays people only look at the weapons, armor, and stuff not to skills not to people not to Nothin' only Armor and Weapons really.
It would be cool if you would be right then the balance would be Even!

[UmarilsStillHere]

Items make less differance in large wars, but a very well equipped player can still make significantly more impract that we otherwise would have just because his gear allows him to.

In 1v1 gear is half the battle, you cant do a whole lot vs a player with a bow thats faster and stronger than your own, or a SM mage who can fire off 2/3 300~ damage shots between each of your own attack cycles.

[Evangeline]

No it isnt:sifflote:

xD Nowadays people only look at the weapons, armor, and stuff not to skills not to people not to Nothin' only Armor and Weapons really.
It would be cool if you would be right then the balance would be Even!

thats ridiculous... 2 good players who know how to play in a team can easly kill 5 players with good gear.

[Gabburtjuh]

thats ridiculous... 2 good players who know how to play in a team can easly kill 5 players with good gear.

Bet ya cant kill 5 players with any guy other guy u want, ill come pp with my 4 guys i choose. You have eve bow, the most OP bow in the game, and you still hit crap on me somehow, so your right, its about skill abit to, but i give you if we have enio and all other players with good gear, it makes a reasonable impact, a marx(enio 500-700 hits i think, never got hit) (random marx with good bow 400-500) or random marx without good stuff(300-400), its differs alot, its doesnt seem much, but ppl with like 70% cs or 50%, its just differs to much in a war, ive seen locks walk while i was casting ambush, and still cast meteor before i cast ambush.

[HuntShot]

thats ridiculous... 2 good players who know how to play in a team can easly kill 5 players with good gear.

I hope youre kidding right?

Like Gabbur said I know for a full 100% that you wont own 5 other players who have oped armor, yeah maybe if you let a 5 year old play:s

Thats just Ridiculous, Armor and Weapon are really important, if a warlock fights versus another warlock and the first warlock has +2 Cast speed gloves and +5% Cast speed Tunic and +5% Castspeed staff, and the second mage has +2 int Tunic...... I bet Hell Kill you;) thats for sure. Armor makes a big Difference!

[_Enio_]

.. (enio 390-480 ...)
Fixed.. rumours are funny :P

[ieti]

You know guys long ago all 3 realms killed bosses as an user made event. It was fun and everyone got a chance to get a good weapon. Then some players - most was from ignis decided to ruin that. As a result every realm started to kill on their own. We tried several times to ressurect that event and same ppl spoiled it. So we gived up.

[Dome]

I like desert but ignis desert was ugly red, didnt wanted to be a midget or a hairy yeti. green is a pleasant color. didnt know about weapon drops and hate LOTR legolas character.

[Topogigio_BR]

I just wonders if we get so many "green is a pleasent color" if syrtis has the worst items in the game.

Just to point out from lvl 30 on inner realm is alsius is all green, aggers, trelle, samal and meni surroundings all green.

Where is the "green is a pleasent color", i really dont buy it. I dont think greens will have this amount of ppl if you remove eve bow, satargo sword and some of that mage itens.

Try to change Aysor amu for damage instead of protection, and you see how itens are not relevant in many x many war.

Every time you try something that will upgrade some other realm then syrtis you get a lot of itens are not relevant, same thing as downgrade syrtis itens supremacy.

[Kyrottimus]

In the upcoming balance update, Chilko mentioned there would be an RvR quest that would:

RVR quest added to get Amulets and Rings that are only available in the opponent realm.

While I applaud this step towards fair and equal access to realm rings and amulets, think about this: will anyone form Syrtis opt to quest for any jewelry that Alsius has? At all? Why would they have any reason to?

And really, not so much Ignis either except for the Rings of Lighting (sic).

But this thread isn't about just rings and amulet access (which I believe will be balanced with the upcoming balance update).

It's based upon items and their accessibility between realms.

Thorkul's Slaying Jaw, for example, is a slow 2h sword for a barbarian. Most, if not all, of the rest of Thorkul's weapons tend to be one speed faster than the typical weapon for their level and damage type. Thorkul's Slaying Jaw is the only exception where it does way less damage than any other slow 2h sword of equal level (including Korbus' store-bought Great Claymore).

While I believe this to be a simple oversight by NGD, that they did not apply the correct one-step-faster weapon attack speed to the Slaying Jaw as was done for the rest of Thorkul's weapons. This has been brought up numerous times with zero feedback regarding this discrepancy. A lot of Alsius barbs have their hands on Thorkul's Slaying Jaw, but no one (at all) uses it. Why? Because store-bought, non-special Great Claymores of the same class and attack speed easily out-damage it.

On the flipside, you have Evendim's Hammer--literally the most powerful weapon in the game, raw damage-wise.


On another front, you have things like Satarco's Sword. And while I hear that he does not drop it as frequently as he used to, Syrtis still has access to them if you join the right clan, or if you and a couple other high-level friends camp him for a day and kill him repeatedly.

Here are the stats on a Satarco's Sword:

http://i27.tinypic.com/zbbb7.jpg

Now here is currently the best sword I have been able to find in Alsius after a year of playing a level 50 Barbarian:

http://i27.tinypic.com/2433s6o.jpg
(Yes, it's fused to look like a 2h Shamshir Sword. Its core stats are that of a Great Claymore)

Looking at min/max-damage ranges (without regarding jewelry being used):

Satarco's Sword: (270-400 + 27) = 297-427 + (1.9 dmg per Str while using Slow speed weapon x 5 str bonus on Sword = 9.5) = 306.5-436.5

Kyrottimus' Sword: (290-375 + 24) = 314-399 + 13 + 14 = 341-426


Now, granted, my sword does have a higher min-damage, but I'm talking sheer raw greatest damage-potential here. Satarco's having 10.5 more damage points, which is fairly significant when you include things like Overwhelming Strength and Berserk and an Ally's Off With Their Heads buff on you.

Note how I had to socket and gem my sword to increase damage potential, when the Satarco's Sword shown above is not socketed or gemmed (But with premium Xim a player could engrave a socket and stick a +15 damage gem in it, giving Satarco's Sword an even larger max-damage potential gap over mine, which in the end would be +25.5 in that case).

Syrtis as a realm are flooded with these swords, and the best 2h slashing weapon I can find after a year of playing Barb still cannot match the damage potential of a weapon that Syrtis Barbs have relatively easy access to the instant they hit level 50. After all, Satarco's Sword is the 2nd best droppable 2h Slow Slashing weapon in the game (after Daen Rha's sword), but is far easier to get a hold of.

Point being, Ignis and Alsius do not have access to any level 50 inner-realm weapon. Alsius' equivalent is a +25% cold resist amulet that nobody uses, and Ignis' equivalent is a piercing damage ring that doesn't even work.

You can't even begin to look at every level of Realm Balance when you're comparing apples to oranges--level 50 inner boss drops being a worthless amulet, a broken ring vs. 2nd most powerful level 50 barb sword in the game.

If you really want to apply balance in this particular scenario, Aysor and Koronton (sic?) should both drop level 50 weapons with similar damage potential (not necessarily for barbs either) to Satarco's Sword. At least then you'd be able to compare apples to apples, so to speak, and thus approach an avenue towards balance.

[Minorian]

If you really want to apply balance in this particular scenario, Aysor and Koronton (sic?) should both drop level 50 weapons with similar damage potential (not necessarily for barbs either) to Satarco's Sword. At least then you'd be able to compare apples to apples, so to speak, and thus approach an avenue towards balance.

If Ignis could get Satarco sword I'd be grinding a barb like a bitch.

I think Satarco/Aysor/Krontaron should all drop these...

A <insert appropriate name> sword (same as Satarco sword)

A <insert appropriate name> shield maybe 210+6 armor with normal to everything and 5 consti?

A <insert appropriate name> long bow, maybe a dummed down version of eve bow?

A <insert appropriate name> short bow, I really have no idea about short bows.

Make all the drops go to the appropriate class, so if a knight is chosen to drop he gets shield, archer gets lb or sb (maybe give them a choice?) and barbs get sword.

Note that I left out staffs for mages, mainly because no mages even use boss staffs, its all about cast speed, and a boss cast speed staff would be insanely OP.

[_Nel_]

About the legendary myth of the Satarco's sword:
the 2nd most powerful level 50 barb sword in the game.

It can do as good damage as crappy damage, mainly because of its too wide damage range. When you expect a SC(5) with 1600 damage and you get 1150, you are a bit disappointed.

Here is my axe, it does more stable damage, so I can rely much more in it. I don't use Satarco's sword, even if I can.

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/8408/screenshot2010071719123.png (http://img339.imageshack.us/i/screenshot2010071719123.png/)

If you want to compare 2 weapons, you have to take into account the average, not only the max.
Satarco's Sword: 306.5-436.5 = average of 371.5 (+/- 17.5%)
Kyrottimus' Sword: 341-426 = average of 383.5 (+/- 11%)
Valhalla's Axe: 336-428 = average of 382 (+/- 12%)

Your weapon and my axe do more damage than Satarco's sword and are not even magical nor epic.
And as an old barbarian, I assume I don't need to explain you +10 damage don't make a better barbarian.

Concerning drop rate, in 1.5 years I never droped a Satarco's sword. I can't count how many times I tried (maybe 40-50x), perhaps I'm a bit unlucky. :biggrin:

Anyway, if NGD can provide a Satarco's sword copy to other realms, I'll be happy. But keep in mind it won't turn you into an uber-barbarian.

EDIT:
I did some fast tests on Amun with Satarco's sword and my axe. Sure, it's not reliable but it can give you a taste of what does this sword compared to my axe.
I used only accurate swing (5) + Berserk (5) + South Cross (5)/normal hit.

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/990/screenshot2010071720403.jpg (http://img443.imageshack.us/i/screenshot2010071720403.jpg/)

http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/9164/screenshot2010071720425.jpg (http://img697.imageshack.us/i/screenshot2010071720425.jpg/)

SC5 with Satarco sword: from 1221 to 1563
SC5 with 2H Dragon Axe: from 1412 to 1649

[Kyrottimus]

About the legendary myth of the Satarco's sword:
the 2nd most powerful level 50 barb sword in the game.

It can do as good damage as crappy damage, mainly because of its too wide damage range. When you expect a SC(5) with 1600 damage and you get 1150, you are a bit disappointed.

Here is my axe, it does more stable damage, so I can rely much more in it. I don't use Satarco's sword, even if I can.

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/8408/screenshot2010071719123.png (http://img339.imageshack.us/i/screenshot2010071719123.png/)

If you want to compare 2 weapons, you have to take into account the average, not only the max.
Satarco's Sword: 306.5-436.5 = average of 371.5 (+/- 17.5%)
Kyrottimus' Sword: 341-426 = average of 383.5 (+/- 11%)
Valhalla's Axe: 336-428 = average of 382 (+/- 12%)

Your weapon and my axe do more damage than Satarco's sword and are not even magical nor epic.
And as an old barbarian, I assume I don't need to explain you +10 damage don't make a better barbarian.

Concerning drop rate, in 1.5 years I never droped a Satarco's sword. I can't count how many times I tried (maybe 40-50x), perhaps I'm a bit unlucky. :biggrin:

Anyway, if NGD can provide a Satarco's sword copy to other realms, I'll be happy. But keep in mind it won't turn you into an uber-barbarian.

EDIT:
I did some fast tests on Amun with Satarco's sword and my axe. Sure, it's not reliable but it can give you a taste of what does this sword compared to my axe.
I used only accurate swing (5) + Berserk (5) + South Cross (5)/normal hit.

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/990/screenshot2010071720403.jpg (http://img443.imageshack.us/i/screenshot2010071720403.jpg/)

http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/9164/screenshot2010071720425.jpg (http://img697.imageshack.us/i/screenshot2010071720425.jpg/)

SC5 with Satarco sword: from 1221 to 1563
SC5 with 2H Dragon Axe: from 1412 to 1649


In fairness the bare-bones satarco sword does not come socketed, but if you did socket it (as both your axe and my sword are), and stick a +14 blunt gem in it like I have in my blade, you get a damage range of:


320.5-450.5

With Satarco's Sword w/ +14 blunt gem, the new averages would look like:

Satarco's Sword: 320.5-450.5 = average of 385.5
Kyrottimus' Sword: 341-426 = average of 383.5
Valhalla's Axe: 336-428 = average of 382

[_Nel_]

And what do you want to prove with +3.5 damage (+0.9% xD) ...I assume you're joking.

You have a barb weapon approximatively the same as Satarco, I have the same, Tigerious has the same (an axe too), Lumi had the same (http://rotrader.org/cgi-bin/rotrader.pl?enc=53616c7465645f5fb92dd4ef724268e05e 7913372746b0ffdb516e5a19e7183e), etc.

I have found 3 other slashing weapons that can do the same damage as satarco's sword, but with a far better damage range without doing any ... "intensive" search.
I hate trading, I'm not an item whore, so I don't know what is passed around in my realm. But I'm pretty sure you can find a magical or an epic barb slashing weapon far better than that.
It's not like satarco is "the 2nd most powerful level 50 barb sword in the game" that no one can get except a syrtis player.

... and no, Syrtis is not filled of Satarco's swords all over the place.

[Minorian]

... and no, Syrtis is not filled of Satarco's swords all over the place.

Obviously not, but it's alot considering NO ONE AT ALL uses any inner boss things in Ignis/Alsius.

[_Nel_]

Yes, I agree Satarco's sword is a good weapon better than Krontaron's or Aysor's item, but my point is to say it's not the holy grail as Kyrottimus want us to believe.

[Minorian]

Yes, I agree Satarco's sword is a good weapon better than Krontaron's or Aysor's item, but my point is to say it's not the holy grail as Kyrottimus want us to believe.

With a 7% as gem, 2 RoL's, and some as legs it really would be xD But then again any sword would be :D

[power-digital14]

hmm itensX? or items...

[Kyrottimus]

And what do you want to prove with +3.5 damage (+0.9% xD) ...I assume you're joking.

I'm not. It is far more accessible to the general syrtis barb population than good barb weapons are in Alsius.

And it's not just the higher average (which I know is only +3.5) but look at max potential damage: 450.5 over 426.

That's 24.5 more in this max scenario, which is fairly significant (especially adding in things that only Syrtis, so far, has had access to: DS rings)


You have a barb weapon approximatively the same as Satarco, I have the same, Tigerious has the same (an axe too), Lumi had the same (http://rotrader.org/cgi-bin/rotrader.pl?enc=53616c7465645f5fb92dd4ef724268e05e 7913372746b0ffdb516e5a19e7183e), etc.

I have found 3 other slashing weapons that can do the same damage as satarco's sword, but with a far better damage range without doing any ... "intensive" search.

Lucky you, from the inquiries I've made I've not run into many that have decent 2h slashing weapons. Klutu and Jippy round out that list in Alsius from those I know who have something considered "Good" in the damage department for 2h slow slashing weapons.


I hate trading, I'm not an item whore, so I don't know what is passed around in my realm. But I'm pretty sure you can find a magical or an epic barb slashing weapon far better than that.
It's not like satarco is "the 2nd most powerful level 50 barb sword in the game" that no one can get except a syrtis player.

I hate trading too, I've gone through so many hoops to get the sword I have currently. TBH I'd rather be able to camp a boss with a few friends for awhile and kill him over and over till we're all satisfied with drops than have to trade away half my inventory for a sword that can't even outdamage Satarco's.

And for the record, Satarco's Sword is the 2nd most powerful level 50 slow barb sword in the game that a boss drops. It's not a boss that spawns every day or 3 days but ever 30 minutes or an hour or something like that.

...which means is readily accessible to those who seek it; they know where to look and how to get one.


... and no, Syrtis is not filled of Satarco's swords all over the place.

Someone told me, that before the stash system, one of their clans had 42 of them in their bank. Could be rumor, but tbh it would not surprise me if that were true.

[_Nel_]

I'm not. It is far more accessible to the general syrtis barb population than good barb weapons are in Alsius.
Again, it's better than a store-bought weapon but not the holy grail.

And it's not just the higher average (which I know is only +3.5) but look at max potential damage: 450.5 over 426.

That's 24.5 more in this max scenario, which is fairly significant (especially adding in things that only Syrtis, so far, has had access to: DS rings)
Look at min potential damage... stop being stubborn with your max damage. You never hit at max every time.
Even its max damage sucks compared to a 2H-axe, I don't know why. I did better damage with my 2H-axe without gem.

Lucky you, from the inquiries I've made I've not run into many that have decent 2h slashing weapons. Klutu and Jippy round out that list in Alsius from those I know who have something considered "Good" in the damage department for 2h slow slashing weapons.
You didn't make much effort, try harder. I gave you a new lead with Lumi.

I hate trading too, I've gone through so many hoops to get the sword I have currently. TBH I'd rather be able to camp a boss with a few friends for awhile and kill him over and over till we're all satisfied with drops than have to trade away half my inventory for a sword that can't even outdamage Satarco's.

And for the record, Satarco's Sword is the 2nd most powerful level 50 slow barb sword in the game that a boss drops. It's not a boss that spawns every day or 3 days but ever 30 minutes or an hour or something like that.
I also did the "boss camping" at Satarco, he respawns every 3 hours. But after 10 times, you get bored of this crappy boss, getting his eye, his finger, his foot or any stupid thing else. And you end by trying it only once or twice per month when you go from Vesper to warzone.

...which means is readily accessible to those who seek it; they know where to look and how to get one.
Ask to most syrtis players, they will tell you how Satarco's sword sucks unless it's compared to a store-bought weapon. No one bother to give you a hand to kill Satarco unless he's very close.

Someone told me, that before the stash system, one of their clans had 42 of them in their bank. Could be rumor, but tbh it would not surprise me if that were true.
In our bank we had 2 good 2H-axes and 1 good Claymore but not a single Satarco's sword. We weren't able to drop one. Tbh it would not surprise me if that guy were kidding you.

[Kyrottimus]

Again, it's better than a store-bought weapon but not the holy grail.


Look at min potential damage... stop being stubborn with your max damage. You never hit at max every time.
Even its max damage sucks compared to a 2H-axe, I don't know why. I did better damage with my 2H-axe without gem.


You didn't make much effort, try harder. I gave you a new lead with Lumi.


I also did the "boss camping" at Satarco, he respawns every 3 hours. But after 10 times, you get bored of this crappy boss, getting his eye, his finger, his foot or any stupid thing else. And you end by trying it only once or twice per month when you go from Vesper to warzone.


Ask to most syrtis players, they will tell you how Satarco's sword sucks unless it's compared to a store-bought weapon. No one bother to give you a hand to kill Satarco unless he's very close.


In our bank we had 2 good 2H-axes and 1 good Claymore but not a single Satarco's sword. We weren't able to drop one. Tbh it would not surprise me if that guy were kidding you.

Well I'd like to be able to test it personally.

And if it sucks so bad as you say I'd gladly trade my Aysor Amulet for one if I could :P

[Pwnography]

Well I'd like to be able to test it personally.

And if it sucks so bad as you say I'd gladly trade my Aysor Amulet for one if I could :P

No wai ill trade kron ring for it.

[SlackerLinux2]

No wai ill trade kron ring for it.

hell id trade that crappy ring for the aysor ammy that's how bad it is

[_Nel_]

So, I made this video just for you.

Test conditions:
- server: amun, to don't get disturbed.
- mobs: only cyclops warriors, easy for lvl 50.
- spells: berserk(5) + some defensive spells.
- damage: only normal hits with berserk on (so fixed bonus amount), critical hits are skipped.
- weapons in comparison: Satarco's sword and 2-Handed Dragon Axe bought in a store (at Dardanus Shadowhawk (http://regnum.wikia.com/wiki/Dardanus_Shadowhawk)).

2-Handed Dragon Axe of Fine Steel (Superior):
Damage: 307-399
http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/8041/2hdragonaxe.png (http://img824.imageshack.us/i/2hdragonaxe.png/)

Satarco's 2-Handed sword of Fine Steel (Master):
Damage: 297-427 and str+5 (don't know exactly how many damage str+1 gives, 2.5 according to wikia (http://regnum.wikia.com/wiki/Character_Attributes#Attack_damage))
http://i11.servimg.com/u/f11/14/21/56/71/satarc10.png

Here is the video:
> http://www.own3d.tv/video/29617/Satarco_s_Sword_test

Here is the results:

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/15/satarcoresults.png (http://img191.imageshack.us/i/satarcoresults.png/)

As you can see, the store-bought weapon does in average, around 10 more damage than Satarco's sword. This is confirmed by the min/max values which give the middle of low/high damage (to detect imperfection due to small amount of values).
We can see that middle of low/high damage and average are slightly different (0.86%), but not enough high to invalidate this test.
So, I don't have enough values to get a perfect average, but still enough to be sure that 2-Handed Dragon Axe do higher damage than Satarco's sword.

[Darcyeti]

Just to mention powerful Claymores, I'm satisfied with mine a lot.
And it is a looted one, Imperia beach, daggerfang.
Combining strength, blund dmg and HC in it.

Ok, it' from another server, but it's still an Alsius Barb wielding it ;)

(sorry for the german stats, but even if I'm able to communicate in english, I prefer playing in my main language)

[Kyrottimus]

Just to mention powerful Claymores, I'm satisfied with mine a lot.
And it is a looted one, Imperia beach, daggerfang.
Combining strength, blund dmg and HC in it.

Ok, it' from another server, but it's still an Alsius Barb wielding it ;)

(sorry for the german stats, but even if I'm able to communicate in english, I prefer playing in my main language)

Honestly, that's the first Epic Great Claymore I've ever seen. All the others I've ever seen were special or magical or non-special.

Very nice ^^

[Minorian]

Honestly, that's the first Epic Great Claymore I've ever seen. All the others I've ever seen were special or magical or non-special.

Very nice ^^

glulose got one in Ignis about a month ago, from a box. I remember he was very happy xD

And with the quests to get enemy rings/ammus, could NGD also throw in Satarcos sword? I swear, I'll equip every mage in Syrtis with a Graj staff xD

[ieti]

No thank you better give us that OP ignis quest tunic with CS and AS :bruja:

[Pwnography]

No thank you better give us that OP ignis quest tunic with CS and AS :bruja:

Uber? OP? lmao, is it just me or is everything syrtis dont have OP?
it sucks,really, lightning(5) does like 215 damage per tick=1075 damage from lightning alone,and dont get me started on summon lightning...

[Minorian]

No thank you better give us that OP ignis quest tunic with CS and AS :bruja:

Syrtis doesn't understand how bad the lack of armor is. I tested with my friend, and we found an average of an additional 75 damage per hit/spell. Is that worth 4% cs? Sorry but you're a complete dumbshit if you think so.

[Klutu]

hmmm so lets compare to my sword which took me ages to get :P

Satacro 2handed Claymore

270-400(27+)

Str +5

Hit Chance +16

(15+ Damage Gem)

= 442 (not counting str bonus)

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Klutu's Great Claymore

290-375(29+)

Hit Chance +16

Fire Damage +19

15+ Blunt Damage (Socketed)

= 438

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What pisses me off about this is the fact that it took me 8 monthes to find that claymore - while Syrtis are able to easily drop a better claymore by just killing Satacro a few times (yes i know mini bosses don't drop like they use to but theres still a shitload of Satacro's kicking around Syrtis.)

[_Nel_]

As a friend, I'll give an advice dear Klutu:

>> Go to a merchant and buy a 2H Dragon Axe <<

[Minorian]

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Klutu's Great Claymore

290-375(29+)

Hit Chance +16

Fire Damage +19

15+ Blunt Damage (Socketed)

= 438

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What pisses me off about this is the fact that it took me 8 monthes to find that claymore - while Syrtis are able to easily drop a better claymore by just killing Satacro a few times (yes i know mini bosses don't drop like they use to but theres still a shitload of Satacro's kicking around Syrtis.)

I heard someone say you have one of the best swords in Alsius, sorry but thats just sad :/ Maybe we can ship over some stuff from all the Tetra's that quit with Efrendi xD

[Pwnography]

Maybe we can ship over some stuff from all the Tetra's that quit with Efrendi xD

Erm Last time i checked they didnt quit =P

[Minorian]

Erm Last time i checked they didnt quit =P

Fine, "decreased playing time"....to like 10 mins a week >.>

Although I guess theres a few that stick around, although it is my belief most are gone/almost gone.

[Klutu]

I heard someone say you have one of the best swords in Alsius, sorry but thats just sad :/ Maybe we can ship over some stuff from all the Tetra's that quit with Efrendi xD

lol yeah from what ive seen it's the First or Second Best Slash Weapon in Alsius.. - It's not even that special :P

If NGD would make the Slaying Jaw a Not so piece of crap theres about 3 or 4 of them i have access 2 :P
As a friend, I'll give an advice dear Klutu:

>> Go to a merchant and buy a 2H Dragon Axe <<



Sadly i wouldn't touch a weapon that had Pierce Involved in it ^^

[Pwnography]

Sadly i wouldn't touch a weapon that had Pierce Involved in it ^^

Smart Boy =P

[_Nel_]

Sadly i wouldn't touch a weapon that had Pierce Involved in it ^^
Hehe, here is your mistake, dude. :beerchug:

[ieti]

Syrtis doesn't understand how bad the lack of armor is. I tested with my friend, and we found an average of an additional 75 damage per hit/spell. Is that worth 4% cs? Sorry but you're a complete dumbshit if you think so.

I really do not care. With my lordconju runic i get around some maybe 20-30(170-190) per tick less. I doubt situation with level 50 warlock tunic is different. And since warlocks really live short and get zerged this is not a problem...

The only time i saw really drastic lightning damage reduction was when i weared vesper tunic and vesper hat. Then dps varied around 70-90 per tick. Both are excellent to lightning.

Level 50 tunics really offer no protection and you have to rely to self.

[Shwish]

lol yeah from what ive seen it's the First or Second Best Slash Weapon in Alsius.. - It's not even that special :P

so far what ive seen, the only class that really relies on boss drops are barbarians. simply because they dont have the liberty of using platinum boxes to aquire a definate magical weapon or a chance of an epic. well they can but the tests showed a 1/10 chance of actually recieving a 2h weapon. thats why all realms should have a satarcos sword or an equivalent. and i really think ngd fix thorkuls 2h sword to be at least better than a merchant sword.

[ieti]

Part of the problem is that long ago some players decided to screw usermade BOSSMOB event (http://www.regnumonline.com.ar/forum/showthread.php?t=33113). With it every realm had possibility to access Evendim, Daraen or Thorkul weaponry.

So if we ever manage to reestablish that it will be better. I doubt this will happen. Evendim is killed moment it spawns from syrtis bosswhores.

Good old days i miss them so much...

[ncvr]

Sadly i wouldn't touch a weapon that had Pierce Involved in it ^^
Why not? Piercing dmg is highly effective against most marksmen and conjus, and some knights who choose to wear guardian/dragon armour. It may be a common dmg type but it has its uses, and it complements slashing quite well.

[Pimousse]

So, I made this video just for you.

Test conditions:
- server: amun, to don't get disturbed.
- mobs: only cyclops warriors, easy for lvl 50.
- spells: berserk(5) + some defensive spells.
- damage: only normal hits with berserk on (so fixed bonus amount), critical hits are skipped.
- weapons in comparison: Satarco's sword and 2-Handed Dragon Axe bought in a store (at Dardanus Shadowhawk (http://regnum.wikia.com/wiki/Dardanus_Shadowhawk)).

2-Handed Dragon Axe of Fine Steel (Superior):
Damage: 307-399
http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/8041/2hdragonaxe.png (http://img824.imageshack.us/i/2hdragonaxe.png/)

Satarco's 2-Handed sword of Fine Steel (Master):
Damage: 297-427 and str+5 (don't know exactly how many damage str+1 gives, 2.5 according to wikia (http://regnum.wikia.com/wiki/Character_Attributes#Attack_damage))
http://i11.servimg.com/u/f11/14/21/56/71/satarc10.png

Here is the video:
> http://www.own3d.tv/video/29617/Satarco_s_Sword_test

Here is the results:

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/15/satarcoresults.png (http://img191.imageshack.us/i/satarcoresults.png/)

As you can see, the store-bought weapon does in average, around 10 more damage than Satarco's sword. This is confirmed by the min/max values which give the middle of low/high damage (to detect imperfection due to small amount of values).
We can see that middle of low/high damage and average are slightly different (0.86%), but not enough high to invalidate this test.
So, I don't have enough values to get a perfect average, but still enough to be sure that 2-Handed Dragon Axe do higher damage than Satarco's sword.

wiki is outdated. Now from my own test, for a slow weapon, 1 str give 2 damages.
So sartakos sword have 307-437 when the axe has 307-399.
You tested only on one type of mob. Maybe cyclops have a better resist to slash damages than piercing damages.

And the high end damage is important in war, can make a difference :)

So sartacos sword is a really good dropp, the worth from boss mob and better than merchant gear. And you have to compare it to others boss dropp : useless Krontaron's ring and useless Aeysor ammy.

[_Nel_]

wiki is outdated. Now from my own test, for a slow weapon, 1 str give 2 damages.
So sartakos sword have 307-437 when the axe has 307-399.
You tested only on one type of mob. Maybe cyclops have a better resist to slash damages than piercing damages.
This test don't show it, but no: I do more damage on any mob. I started to make this test with every kind of mobs I found around me, and 2H Dragon Axe did better damage again. But some of you will snap me back "your test is not reliable, you hit different kind of mobs".

And the high end damage is important in war, can make a difference :)

So sartacos sword is a really good dropp, the worth from boss mob and better than merchant gear. And you have to compare it to others boss dropp : useless Krontaron's ring and useless Aeysor ammy.

The low end damage is important in war, can also make a difference. :)
Stop being blind, a better average damage is always better than a small possibility to get the biggest "one". (I'm talking about damage, nothing else :biggrin:)

[Freduardo]

Nel,

If Satarco's is so much more crappy then your dragon axe, with which you can SC knights under Ao1 to your hearts delight, then I'm sure you have no objections to the other two realms getting a similar or equally powerful weapon?

[_Nel_]

Already answered to your question.

In fact, I don't care if Satarco's sword is given to Ignis and Alsius. All I want is to stop this stupid idea that says Satarco's sword is OP and unfair for other realms.

Anyway, if NGD can provide a Satarco's sword copy to other realms, I'll be happy. But keep in mind it won't turn you into an uber-barbarian.

I have no objections to the other two realms getting a similar or equally crappy weapon.

[Freduardo]

Ah sorry, I hadn't noticed that in the middle of that whole anal discussion.

My bad.

[Pimousse]

...
But some of you will snap me back "your test is not reliable, you hit different kind of mobs".

When you make precise stats, you can expect this, its not i want "snap you back" ;) And if you'd make thoses test before the strengh nerf, results would have different maybe (now 1 str = 2 damages when its was 1 to 2.5).

I don't think you are an "op" barbarian with Sartacos sword. This kind of barbarians really exist ? xD (barbarian are almost fine are they are, there's just too many cc in regnum and buffing a barbarian is a pain)
That's only an imbalance between different boss drop and i don't think that's the reason of the "Syrtis itensX Population".

[Kyrottimus]

Putting aside the whole Aysor/Karonton/Satarco balance comparison (which still requires NGD's scrutiny), and getting back to the Epic Boss Drop Balance issue, I have compiled another gaping Item Drop disparity (http://www.regnumonline.com.ar/forum/showthread.php?p=1085602), as before mentioned by Klutu, Lumi, and several others.

[Minorian]

But the Thorkuls sword doesn't need to be debated, everyone knows it's shit. Whereas for some reason I have to convince someone that a half decent sword is better than a 25% cold resist ammulet and a ring that does nothing.