Native client for MAC OS X ?

[HidraA]

I know there is a version using CrossOver but is not like one native client.ANd i don't like MS(personal opinion,no need another infinite discusion about...).


And at all is not so hard if you have Linux CODE to port to MAC OS X.


Just read this:http://developer.apple.com/mac/library/documentation/Porting/Conceptual/PortingUnix/preparing/preparing.html


There is a advantage for devs:
-Subscribe as free game on Apple shop will atract tons of new players to they game
-Issue of game are limited at a few VGA cards and a few CPU-s

-You dont need to subscribe in MAC developers program ...there down on the web page is possible to be subcribed free.

I tryed to port some usual librarys used by Linux client ....but there is a troble with video drivers and video card detection .Because even Darwin kernel is UNIX(Note:UNIX is not same with Linux even they come from same source.) based one will he use Quartz Extreme server and not X11 server ...X11 is optional and is 3-th party app ..i tryed with QXserver ...dose not work...same troble with video card detect...and i can not touch integrity of RO client due of legal reasons.

The best think of this game is LINUX NATIVE CLIENT...but if wee have MAC OS X client will be very cool.Anyway i think over 60% of people from game use LINUX and will be cool to have another 20% using mac too.

[Myxir]

Won't happen I think, sadly :(
We had this discussion some time ago. NGD opened a petition. If we reach 10,000 signers they will think about porting it.
642 in almost 2 years... I already did some "advertising" in German Apple/Mac/Gaming boards at the time the petition started.
See the post yourself:
http://www.regnumonlinegame.com/forum/showpost.php?p=524213&postcount=3

[HidraA]

Won't happen I think, sadly :(
We had this discussion some time ago. NGD opened a petition. If we reach 10,000 signers they will think about porting it.
642 in almost 2 years... I already did some "advertising" in German Apple/Mac/Gaming boards at the time the petition started.
See the post yourself:
http://www.regnumonlinegame.com/forum/showpost.php?p=524213&postcount=3

I am agree to some points.But there is a problem of view.
Nobody will try forum before play the game.To be more explicit:
If there was not Linux client then a few Linux users will be in game and in forum also.SO before offer to MAC user one client and try the game and after you can ask them to vote one poll.
One conclusion at this:Win and Linux not have interest on this.

I dont think in game are 10 000 active users ...is bit imposible that petition anyway....
Well then better close this topic...sorry for not reading forum before posting...in that case will never be realised.

[theotherhiveking]

10000 petitions are less than nothing

[von1958]

well the real problem with making a game client for a mac is that ngd would probably need to have at least 4 macs to test and keep the client updated with the rest the cost of 4 macs good enough to program and test a client is a pretty big chunk of money for a group of devs who are not makin that much to begin with

[Dracice]

ehm linux client sucks cos bad oGL coding(can pls NGD do something with it ? xD), so u should be happy when u are able run DX version in cross over :-D

[Ikyuao]

ehm linux client sucks cos bad oGL coding(can pls NGD do something with it ? xD), so u should be happy when u are able run DX version in cross over :-D

I DISAGREED with that your post by saying "linux client sucks coz OpenGL is bad" is that you absolutely don't know about OpenGL so much at all.

First of all: OpenGL is easier to write a code line in fewer sentence line than Directx code lines and,

Secondly: some of video driver OGL is buggy, not NGD game client issues that I was having with some problems with ATI 10.5, 10.6 but now I am running 10.8 that some of bugs are resolved issues.

[Malevolence]

Mac port would be nice...I am a long time Linux user and gave up playing Ro on Linux after I realized on win7 I get 100+fps on Shader 2 while 30-40 fps on Pipeline and 20 fps on Shader 2 for Linux. OpenGL is Sloooow.No brainer!

[UmarilsStillHere]

Would be a pretty cool selling point to have working native clients on every Os platform. But iirc NGD have said they wont/cant do it because of some weird tech laws in Argentina, import stuff etc.

[Myxir]

Would be a pretty cool selling point to have working native clients on every Os platform. But iirc NGD have said they wont/cant do it because of some weird tech laws in Argentina, import stuff etc.

The import stuff was related to the regnum4mac donation attempt from regnum-online.de
We collected a certain amount of money and wanted to send a Mac to NGD. But they said it would not arrive.

But still a native client would be cool.

[HidraA]

Mac port would be nice... OpenGL is Sloooow.No brainer!

OpenGL is not slow ...its depends of code wrote for him.
Also targeting lots of VGA cards is the troble.
For my NVidia 9500 GT works better with OpenGL in linux ..like with 30 fps more like in DirectX.
Conclusion:
-for some ppl works better with some cards on OpenGL.
-for some people works better with DirectX.
That means one engine what try to work with all VGA cards.

When one code is wrote for dedicated hardware(usual VGA and CPU)..will work faster and and a few bugs.

Note:
-Also usual in Linux troble can come with precompiled version of vga drivers or kernel version.
-After one friend told me "try to get source and compile vga drivers"...and i did.I gained more 40-50 fps.
-Fps loss can come once with network connection with server.(on my pc works better with Mandriva like with Ubuntu for example)
-And more others factors...

So sorry for going off topic...but this is not one thread about OpenGL and DirectX or Linux and Windows.
There are lots of environments and each people enjoy them and they will use what they like more.

Please close this topic is irrelevant.
I got my reply about this and there are not plans about this

[Windrium]

Mac port would be nice...I am a long time Linux user and gave up playing Ro on Linux after I realized on win7 I get 100+fps on Shader 2 while 30-40 fps on Pipeline and 20 fps on Shader 2 for Linux. OpenGL is Sloooow.No brainer!

Erm... I'm using Shader 3 with everything on full and it runs as smooth as butter...

[ArcticWolf]

Would be a pretty cool selling point to have working native clients on every Os platform. But iirc NGD have said they wont/cant do it because of some weird tech laws in Argentina, import stuff etc.

Computers are awfully expensive here, so the average hardware cycling (i.e.: buying a new computer or updating it to almost new) is of three to five years, using cheap legacy components (because we have a 6 to 12 month delay due to customs).

Macs here cost twice than in the US. And 4 pesos are worth a dollar. So yeah, there's a reason why macs are regarded as rich boy toys here.

[HidraA]

Macs here cost twice than in the US. And 4 pesos are worth a dollar. So yeah, there's a reason why macs are regarded as rich boy toys here.

Same in my country..price are very huge...but i buyed one even i am not one "rich" boy...
But wee have regions dealers.And don't need to wait 1-2 years for one product from USA.
And computers...awwww(example) one CPU intel i5 make may payment for one month and half :)

[KKharzov]

No offense but thats what you get when you buy a Mac.

Mac's are not built for gaming. Macs are overpriced toys made by Apple that advertise as a revolutionary competitor to Windows. You could buy a normal notebook with 3x better performance for the same price as a MacBook that has outdated hardware. Infact, if you're buying a MacBook, most of the money usually goes to the pretty casing that is ultimately useless. Mac related products are generally inferior.

Apple's market mainly attracts people that have no knowledge whatsoever in technology.

http://imgur.com/F3TuT.jpg

You can spend an assload of money collecting gear and this is what you'll get. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sjy5ufUFsrM) Wow you can spend $700 dollars for an iPad experience of Uno! Or you could spend $20 at Wal-Mart and buy the same card version!

/endrant

EDIT: Linux FTW.

[HidraA]

No offense but thats what you get when you buy a Mac.


Yes is a offense...this thread is not Linux vs Windows vs MacOSX...

Your comment is just useless and not help someone.

No need another thread about who and why is better.
Reasons:
-Windows users will say ...windows the best.
-Linux users will say ...linux is best.
-Mac users will say Mac is best...
And from here infinite thread about ...and infinite argue...

[lord_dvl]

Just a question to the mac/unix experts here, if NGD could port Regnum to BSD this version can be used in a mac workstation?.

[standistortion]

From the petition site
Please use a valid zip code
Ireland doesn't have any kind of post code system...
10000 signatures is a bit optimistic considering the online players figures, 10000 US only signatures... ?

[HidraA]

Just a question to the mac/unix experts here, if NGD could port Regnum to BSD this version can be used in a mac workstation?.
Nope...

UNIX !=Free BSD !=MacOSX

But Free BSD can run linux binaries...

See command :
sysctl kern.emul.linux=1


Is one command what enable one patch of kernel to run linux ...google for more detailes...or consult sysctl man:man sysctl

[lord_dvl]

Thanks,

I've heard from some mac users that they could run packages and binaries from BSD ports.

[j4np0l]

Computers are awfully expensive here, so the average hardware cycling (i.e.: buying a new computer or updating it to almost new) is of three to five years, using cheap legacy components (because we have a 6 to 12 month delay due to customs).

Macs here cost twice than in the US. And 4 pesos are worth a dollar. So yeah, there's a reason why macs are regarded as rich boy toys here.
Argentina is the worst place where you could buy a Mac according to the ipod index (something that mesures the possibility of buying ipods in different countries).

So, when we say is hard to get a mac here, we are not kidding (thanks to our goverment and their f***ing taxes).

Regards

[HidraA]

Thanks,

I've heard from some mac users that they could run packages and binaries from BSD ports.

Yes is posible but this means to recompile source code under MAC OS X.
Some of them need patches ... for Fink project,MacPort project,...are communities what got source code of Linux's binaries and ported them to MacOsX.
Event that command is named apt-get they recompiled the code for mac os x.
Even packs installed with that apt-get is MAc os X binarie...not linux one
But for this you need source code..not all linux binaries are open source..

[Dracice]

I DISAGREED with that your post by saying "linux client sucks coz OpenGL is bad" is that you absolutely don't know about OpenGL so much at all.

First of all: OpenGL is easier to write a code line in fewer sentence line than Directx code lines and,

Secondly: some of video driver OGL is buggy, not NGD game client issues that I was having with some problems with ATI 10.5, 10.6 but now I am running 10.8 that some of bugs are resolved issues.

lol read that post again pls(are u blind ?).i'm NOT saying that "oGL is bad" i saying "NGD coding is shitty!"

sec: i'm not mad (that mean :"i have nVidia GPU+Linux")
ooo rly ? why i'm able run every oGL game on max (doom3,quke4,ut2004,etc) with ~150FPS but Regnum ~60FPS(8-20in war) on safe mode! ~<15-30 shader model 4 (disabled shadows )
It's not normal^

[Myxir]

Currently it's
Linux OpenGL < Windows OpenGL < Windows D3D

The last time i tested Windows D3D had almost x3-4 FPS of Linux OpenGl.

But this surely is not the point of this thread.
We want a Mac port here, nothing else.