How much 18 rp means to our players...

[Tristaan]

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Thanks for the input guys. =)

I've learned a lot from my first thread, and I'll be more cautious about the title now. (The title's probably the most important thing people read xD)

So yeah. :]

[jaeofsyrtis]

We alwayz wantz rpz! :imstupid:

[Mbwana]

roflmao, that had made my day xD

[VandaMan]

Wow, I can't believe you would admit to doing this. Did you ever think maybe they didn't care about the 18 rp, but about killing a pussy who hates losing so much he'll waste his time logging in and out instead of just taking a trip back to his save?

[Tristaan]

Wow, I can't believe you would admit to doing this. Did you ever think maybe they didn't care about the 18 rp, but about killing a pussy who hates losing so much he'll waste his time logging in and out instead of just taking a trip back to his save?

Lol, it's called a game. We win and lose :)

[VandaMan]

Lol, it's called a game. We win and lose :)

Exactly... so why waste your time logging in and out to avoid "losing?"

[Tristaan]

Exactly... so why waste your time logging in and out to avoid "losing?"

You know, I did this for fun. They got my rp anyway, so I didn't avoid it at all.

[VandaMan]

Well I'm sure they had fun too, chasing around someone who was exploiting a failure in game mechanics. No, I'm not one of them, I'm Ignis... but I think people should be banned for shit like that.

[Tristaan]

Well I'm sure they had fun too, chasing around someone who was exploiting a failure in game mechanics. No, I'm not one of them, I'm Ignis... but I think people should be banned for shit like that.

I know you're Ignis, and I regret what I've done because Syrtis has a way nicer community. >.>

Why go start arguements on the forum anyway?

[Ulti19]

Hahaha Trist, funny xD Next time maybe lead them to an epic boss :P

*also trist, you put in op that this topic is not meant to start arguments, well to some people, they read that and really want to do the opposite, so don't worry about that ^^

[Tristaan]

Hahaha Trist, funny xD Next time maybe lead them to an epic boss :P

*also trist, you put in op that this topic is not meant to start arguments, well to some people, they read that and really want to do the opposite, so don't worry about that ^^

Yeah, we already have an example of that above. xD I doubt that putting that message or not would even matter though. :P But thanks for the tips, I'll know better next time ;)

[Immune]

Exactly... so why waste your time logging in and out to avoid "losing?"

Why waste your time chasing someone logging in and out when he's clearly just toying with you? There is no reason really, other than an rp fetish or boredom. If it were the latter, I don't see how sitting there waiting for someone to log back in just to log out again would be entertaining... whatever their reasoning, they didn't have to pursue him. So why are you angry at him? I feel that a facepalm directed at the Syrtians would be more appropriate for doing exactly what he wanted.

I must say that I would've been curious to see how long they did that for too... funny stuff Trist :p

[Nekoko]

While I find this really annoying, I'm not going to scold anyone and considering the context it's pretty funny ;p But I will be looking foward to the day when this little "trick" can't be done anymore hehe ^^

Like some peeps have said, it's just a game.

EDIT: Wonder if you could use a banner without breaking the login dizzy, then you could call that army Ulti' mentioned ;p

EDIT 2: When I first seen the thread btw I thought it would be a screenshot of people running too far from the fort (guilty but no where near as much as a lot of people). Tell peeps to get back, using the angry eyes helps ;p

[Ulti19]

Yeah, we already have an example of that above. xD I doubt that putting that message or not would even matter though. :P But thanks for the tips, I'll know better next time ;)


This is how some people read it trist :D

REMEMBER: This topic is not meant for complaining, or anything you can think of to start an arguement.

[VandaMan]

I know you're Ignis, and I regret what I've done because Syrtis has a way nicer community. >.>

Why go start arguements on the forum anyway?

I didn't realize this was an argument. All I said was that I can't believe you'd admit to doing that, I consider it mechanics abuse, and that I wish NGD would ban you. There's not much to argue about there, as they're all my personal opinions.

Why waste your time chasing someone logging in and out when he's clearly just toying with you? There is no reason really, other than an rp fetish or boredom.

There are other reasons, if the only reasons for wanting to kill someone are RP and boredom, why does anyone war at all? Personally I would do it just because I know that if you let someone get away with abusing mechanics like this, they're bound to do it again. Thorndike's law of effect and all that...

[Tristaan]

Lol just ignore Van everyone. There's no point to continue with him.


EDIT 2: When I first seen the thread btw I thought it would be a screenshot of people running too far from the fort (guilty but no where near as much as a lot of people). Tell peeps to get back, using the angry eyes helps ;p

Yeah I would be taking pics of our own realm doing that too but then I might get wishes to ban me. O.o

[VandaMan]

Lol just ignore Van everyone. There's no point to continue with him.

If by everyone you mean all of your Alsius friends who ran in here to "lol" with you, feel free to. I never asked for you to respond, just wanted to point out that your 18 RPs mean more to you than they did to the gelf zerg.

[Malevolence]

Troller is looking for a response...ANY response, and he will chum the waters with complaints, insults, compliments, and inflammatory tidbits hoping that someone...ANYONE, will take the bait. Generally quite harmless - practices a form of catch and release. Nonetheless, he can upset the delicate ecology of a discussion forum. Once a forum becomes aware of his presence, however, all feeding activity ceases and Troller must move on to more promising waters.

Bored Van?

[Tigerious]

I think the topic's name is wrong.

[VandaMan]

Troller is looking for a response...ANY response, and he will chum the waters with complaints, insults, compliments, and inflammatory tidbits hoping that someone...ANYONE, will take the bait. Generally quite harmless - practices a form of catch and release. Nonetheless, he can upset the delicate ecology of a discussion forum. Once a forum becomes aware of his presence, however, all feeding activity ceases and Troller must move on to more promising waters.

I'm more of an eagle scout, but only because the forum won't let me post in all caps.

[NotScias]

But most of them didn't follow you at all, except maybe 2, and what did you expect doing it in the middle of Syrtis zerg and not really going far at all...

I bet if it was me I would have at least 10 players from both sides following me until the swamp :razz:

Amateur!

[Malevolence]

Whether through virtue, contributions, force of personality or sheer longevity certain forum participants will rise to form an aristocracy. While it is generally taboo to openly acknowledge the class distinctions, the hierarchy is well understood by all. While for the most part the Royals rule with magnanimity, they will not tolerate impertinence from the hoi polloi. It is their habit to remain aloof from petty squabbles among their subjects, but when full-scale war breaks out their intervention can be decisive.

[KKharzov]

Give chase to the enemy. Let them escape under no costs. That's just logic, not being RP hungry.

I don't get carebears that run away from fights saying shit like "They chased me, they must be soooo hungry for RP". It's like you believe that just for running away no one should attack you.

In that case, I apologize for trying to kill my enemies in a war based game where the objective is to slaughter the enemy team over the walls. The only limit in catching sprinters is when you know that you can't catch them. If I know that I will catch you, then I will chase you until I see your corpse sprawled upon the earth. Otherwise it just ends up like a game of PvP in Guild Wars.

[Inkster]

Im sorry Tristann but you pictures are really out of order BECAUSE you didn't press alt/s to take the screenshots :imstupid:

[Dannboy]

lulz. I knew Regnum was easy to troll, but how!

[Znurre]

Gotta say I agree with Van.
Personally, I hate when players abuse the system like this, no matter their intentions, and this alone is enough for me to want to kill them.
Just letting them get away just proves that you give up and that this player managed to "outsmart you" using game design flaws.

It was really the same before this balance update when certain classes could always escape from a fight easily.
I would try to catch up with them just for the sake of proving that their way of playing was totally fubar and that they won't escape anyhow.

[Thiago_Alsius]

:closed1: ...

[Evangeline]

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nice argument u got there :razz:

[time-to-die]

I think you will do the same. Just wait and kill. And not thinking about Rp but just KILL!

[Mashu]

Well is strange that when we take Samal back, suddenly some syrtians that logged out when door broke, log in back in front of fort and try to run. Some of them horse quickly and manage to do that, some die quickly. Also I find many Syrtians "immune to spell" and disapearing. This is anoying explitation of a bug.

I think that in the case of crash or interrupting a game, a player should retain in the game for at least half a minute without any immunity. He can log back and fix his position or leave it to luck. That would prevent exploitation of this kind of bugs. Also logging out while in fort should be solved, some players use it to escape when lost battle.

[Zodar]

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Thanks for the input guys. =)

I've learned a lot from my first thread, and I'll be more cautious about the title now. (The title's probably the most important thing people read xD)

So yeah. :]

You should have left your original post and added the rest below.

Clearly YOU think RP means something as your main attack is will domain + staff matery.

Most mages that skill for Mental + SM will stand a pretty good chance of killing their oponent and getting high RP, even after the recent SM nerf. However.... It sucks. There is no skill involved and it is boring. You may be high up in the RP rankings, but other players will point at you and laugh when you kill them.

I'd sooner be (lol... and am) a crap mage who plays crap, that doesn't use SM and gets fewer RP as a result, than someone who uses a high level knock on their oponent and kills them with SM hits before they get a chance to stand up and fight back. It's not skillfull. Its just RP whoring.

Can you honestly say you get a "buzz" from the way you fight? The most exciting fights for me are when they're really close, I have to use a wide variety of spells and the fight is evenly matched.

With regards to your original post that you deleted: In the unlikely event that I get a chance to chase someone to, or run past their save and kill them, I will. Even if it means losing 20 RP and I would EXPECT and WANT other players to do the same to me.

The fun is in the FIGHT not the SCORE.

I would suggest you take note of Foamy's opinion about "achievements", that I also share (NSFW):
http://www.illwillpress.com/ACH22YT.html

RP means nothing.

[Ulti19]

Poor Trist, his first post gets attacked so badly after all he wanted to do was show something funny.

Dude don't take this stuff seriously :)

[IgnisGlomp]

Poor Trist, his first post gets attacked so badly after all he wanted to do was show something funny.

Dude don't take this stuff seriously :)

Abusing game mechanics is funny? Odd sense of humor, maybe the next thread should be about speed hacking :razz:

[Ulti19]

Abusing game mechanics is funny? Odd sense of humor, maybe the next thread should be about speed hacking :razz:

Sorry but abusing game mechanics is only where one player stands to gain an advantage over other players in an unfair fashion. This is nothing like speed hacking. He isn't going around slaughtering everyone and disappearing. Tristaan gained nothing by logging in and out, he was merely wondering how far someone would go to catch him. This thread is nothing bad but people always seem to find a way to turn in into just that.

[VandaMan]

Sorry but abusing game mechanics is only where one player stands to gain an advantage over other players in an unfair fashion. This is nothing like speed hacking. He isn't going around slaughtering everyone and disappearing. Tristaan gained nothing by logging in and out, he was merely wondering how far someone would go to catch him. This thread is nothing bad but people always seem to find a way to turn in into just that.

Prolonging your character's life by abusing log-in dizzy is gaining an advantage over other players. That's like saying speed hacking isn't abuse if you only use it to run away, because you think it's funny to see how long people will follow you for.

[IgnisGlomp]

How isn't it abuse? No matter what was intended the mechanics were still manipulated. Isn't it abusing when a player glitches into a fort to capture it, even if its empty?

Just because you didn't 'win' because of it doesn't mean that it isn't using a poor game design to get a result that isn't intended. You technically agree NOT to do this every time you log into the game.

[Ulti19]

Prolonging your character's life by abusing log-in dizzy is gaining an advantage over other players. That's like saying speed hacking isn't abuse if you only use it to run away, because you think it's funny to see how long people will follow you for.

It is not an advantage because you cannot gain anything from doing this, according to what trist did anyways. Being immune from everyone from logging in is not an advantage, it gives you nothing special you can abuse other players with. there is no benefit to being immune from save dizzy, therefor, this is not exploiting anything. Speed hacking gives you the ability to run insanely fast and attack people at the same time or do many other cheating thinds. If some player kept relogging for fun just to see how long someone would wait to kill him, that is the other players fault for waiting for the person to stop relogging.

@ torin, you agree not to abuse bugs or exploits that give you an unfair advantage over players.: relogging does not match any of these qualifications for cheating. You can relog 1 million times yet you don't gain anything (in reality you just waste time). You cannot attack and do anything beside move for like 15 seconds. What is cheating about this? (I myself never did this, but I am very curious why people think this is abusing game mechanics)

Really what I think is if someone does this they are just playing around, and this has no negative effects on any other player, therefore is not cheating in any way.

[Thalak]

It is not an advantage because you cannot gain anything from doing this, according to what trist did anyways. Being immune from everyone from logging in is not an advantage, it gives you nothing special you can abuse other players with. there is no benefit to being immune from save dizzy, therefor, this is not exploiting anything. Speed hacking gives you the ability to run insanely fast and attack people at the same time or do many other cheating thinds. If some player kept relogging for fun just to see how long someone would wait to kill him, that is the other players fault for waiting for the person to stop relogging.

Of course it is an exploit. The normal behaviour is that the logout timer resets if you try to logout while surrounded by other players hitting you. If someone uses a bad game design to avoid the timer reset he is exploiting/cheating, call it whatever you like.

[VandaMan]

He wasn't just relogging, he was logging on and running away, then relogging so he could run further without being killed. Delaying his death is enough of an advantage to be considered abuse... not to mention his screenshots showed them talking in clan chat about him leading the gelfs that were chasing him to a goat zerg.

[Thalak]

He wasn't just relogging, he was logging on and running away, then relogging so he could run further without being killed. Delaying his death is enough of an advantage to be considered abuse... not to mention his screenshots showed them talking in clan chat about him leading the gelfs that were chasing him to a goat zerg.

Ah I see. Well, that's even more worse. And that's nothing about fun, I agree with you.

[IgnisGlomp]

Really what I think is if someone does this they are just playing around, and this has no negative effects on any other player, therefore is not cheating in any way.

So if I glitch my way into another realm just to explore and have "fun", without attacking or even interacting with anybody, it isn't cheating?

[Mikan]

I think that in the case of crash or interrupting a game, a player should retain in the game for at least half a minute without any immunity. He can log back and fix his position or leave it to luck. That would prevent exploitation of this kind of bugs. Also logging out while in fort should be solved, some players use it to escape when lost battle.
Unfairness from crashes was solved years ago, when you crash you stay in the world for 30 seconds. If you are attacked or have a spell cast on you, then your body continues to stay in the world until it can eventually be killed or the problem goes away.

If you try to log in again, you will get "the character is already in the world" message.

Kind regards.

[Ulti19]

So if I glitch my way into another realm just to explore and have "fun", without attacking or even interacting with anybody, it isn't cheating?

That is a good point, and I consider that different however. I think that by glitching your way into other realms you gain personal advantages that are not normally available through the original game design and I consider it cheating. I don't see it the same as having rez dizzy lol. If the argument is that he used this to escape a loss, well then the same can be said about people who run into the water and suicide when some enemies run by. And Trist didn't lead anyone to anything, it was a joke of how far can they go, and eventually he died.

Anyways it is a difference of opinion and I will drop it now :biggrin:

[Tristaan]

@Zodar: As I said already, this thread's topic is wrong. xD And WHY would you bring back a dead topic to try and insult me? Just because I was at herb market in the WARZONE and you carelessly rode your horse right pass me doesn't mean I'm a rp whore. And no, I use fireball, MoD, frozen storm, and some support skills too.

And most of my rp are from spells if you haven't noticed, unless fireball is a normal hit.

And lastly, your post has nothing to do with this topic. The thread's topic is WRONG. Got it? Not a thread to post how I fight from an enemy's point of view.

@Van: Oh noes! A joke in clan chat! \o/ I was near SAMAL SAVE. Iggies retook Shaan and were already running to samal already, so how in the world can I drag the syrtis zerg to pp?

I can't.

And I died anyway guys. I didn't escape death. Understand?

[Minorian]

@Zodar: As I said already, this thread's topic is wrong. xD And WHY would you bring back a dead topic to try and insult me? Just because I was at herb market in the WARZONE and you carelessly rode your horse right pass me doesn't mean I'm a rp whore. And no, I use fireball, MoD, frozen storm, and some support skills too.

And most of my rp are from spells if you haven't noticed, unless fireball is a normal hit.

And lastly, your post has nothing to do with this topic. The thread's topic is WRONG. Got it? Not a thread to post how I fight from an enemy's point of view.

@Van: Oh noes! A joke in clan chat! \o/ I was near SAMAL SAVE. Iggies retook Shaan and were already running to samal already, so how in the world can I drag the syrtis zerg to pp?

I can't.

And I died anyway guys. I didn't escape death. Understand?

Id just ignore what other people are saying. While you might have used an underhand method, I dont think it was in a malicious intent, so I cant see it being that bad.