Clarrification on save guard AI and possible abuse

[Nekoko]

Okay so I was in game and I've heard from some people that players are getting banned for killing people at the save guard. Now I'd like some clarrification on what is going on.

Looking at another thread in the forums that I won't link to and talking to other players. I've heard a few questions which I will repeat here.

1. Is using rocks to avoid the save guard and kill people at the save a bannable offense?

2. Is out smarting the save guard in anyway a bannable offense?

3. Are we still allowed to attempt to kill people at the save?

4. Are we allowed to kill people at the save if the guard happens to not attack us?

EDIT: Also I'd like to ask that some sticky thread is made to list possible things people can ACCIDENTLY do to get banned. Word of mouth isn't really enough. For example running into the water with a gem is a bannable offense that most people know about but anew player would not.

We really need this stuff listed somewhere obvious so people do not get into trouble when they had no ill intent whatsoever!

[Pwnography]

Remove everything that is punishment for save camping. It makes the best fights most the time, and its make a good change to fort war all the time.The option to spawn at the wall is enough if you don't want to be hassled imo.

But in all honesty, being banned for outsmarting an AI is the dumbest thing ive heard.

[Altara]

EDIT: Also I'd like to ask that some sticky thread is made to list possible things people can ACCIDENTLY do to get banned. Word of mouth isn't really enough. For example running into the water with a gem is a bannable offense that most people know about but anew player would not.

We really need this stuff listed somewhere obvious so people do not get into trouble when they had no ill intent whatsoever!

I agree to this 100%
Im hearing alot of unjust bans are taking place lately. From people going on others accounts with permission to out smarting the AI.
Please make a list so that many of your users don't get banned for what we think is no reason.

[doppelapfel]

Remove everything that is punishment for save camping. It makes the best fights most the time, and its make a good change to fort war all the time.The option to spawn at the wall is enough if you don't want to be hassled imo.

But in all honesty, being banned for outsmarting an AI is the dumbest thing ive heard.
Agree. Camping and also being camped is fun if campers dont have a too big number compared to those being camped, if this is the case, simply rezz at wall.

[Malevolence]

Agree. Camping and also being camped is fun if campers dont have a too big number compared to those being camped, if this is the case, simply rezz at wall.

http://www.regnumonline.com.ar/forum/showpost.php?p=1160241&postcount=9

Take away guards and -rp then and I would be happy...How is that?

[v0rt3x]

Remove everything that is punishment for save camping. It makes the best fights most the time, and its make a good change to fort war all the time.The option to spawn at the wall is enough if you don't want to be hassled imo.
No, this is not enough. If the wall is in DANGER, u can´t spawn at the wall!!!

[Darcyeti]

Agree. Camping and also being camped is fun if campers dont have a too big number compared to those being camped, if this is the case, simply rezz at wall.

I don't mind being camped either, but a great problem while being camped is during "wall is in danger". In that case, there is no option to rezz at wall, so at that times, you'll get camped forever with an outnumberous amount of enemies.

As I mentioned, I've no problem with it, me is so crazy to rush a zerg of enemies all by my self. Dieing can be fun to you know? ;) (as long as you take at least one enemy with you)

:alsius:

edit: sorry for repeating you vort3x, didn't recognice you having writen nearly the same as me.

[Mashu]

I think guards at save are a good thing. Group of enemies sitting and waiting at save to kill someone that just spawned should not be a way to gaining RP in rankings.

Also as previous people mentioned, when gate is in danger its not possible to spawn there anymore and You can't simply play.

But on another hand, if guard is not reacting or its possible to kill it then in any way it does not deserve a ban.

NGD make guards immune or fix them so they react, problem solved.

[Myxir]

No, this is not enough. If the wall is in DANGER, u can´t spawn at the wall!!!

If the wall is in danger and the attacking realm camps a save it's a big fail.

[mr_scsi]

heres a cool thought, I'd like to see the save guards gone. They are not needed.
Also, nix the -rps. Instead, drop the bar for lvl 50+ for xps, meaning you hit 50, the bar stops
and xp no longer increases. Your done, no need to keep adding to it.

THEN kill someone at the save and its -2000 xp. Yes thats a -2k xp.
Kill 1 person and BANG your lvl 49 again. I think save camping would stop.

[Hamster_of_sorrow]

heres a cool thought, I'd like to see the save guards gone. They are not needed.
Also, nix the -rps. Instead, drop the bar for lvl 50+ for xps, meaning you hit 50, the bar stops
and xp no longer increases. Your done, no need to keep adding to it.

THEN kill someone at the save and its -2000 xp. Yes thats a -2k xp.
Kill 1 person and BANG your lvl 49 again. I think save camping would stop.

hahaha there would be no save camping.. ever.

[bois]

heres a cool thought, I'd like to see the save guards gone. They are not needed.
Also, nix the -rps. Instead, drop the bar for lvl 50+ for xps, meaning you hit 50, the bar stops
and xp no longer increases. Your done, no need to keep adding to it.

THEN kill someone at the save and its -2000 xp. Yes thats a -2k xp.
Kill 1 person and BANG your lvl 49 again. I think save camping would stop.

Good to stop lvl 50 players. Not so good to stop lower levels and players in between levels. Another suggestion may be a short term resurrection retaliation type effect. The newly resurrected (at save) person will reflect 90% of the damage for a short time period within a certain range of the save, provided that they cast no buff or attack. The camper in effect is killing itself by attacking too soon. This effect should be fairly short.

On another note, how bad is save camping now anyway? I hardly ever see this anymore. Is it even worth the effort to do anything more in this matter?

Also, Nekoko that was a good opening post. I find that this game has too many things that are damn nebulous. The community manager should prepare a text of all offences in game. For too long the NGD position is lodged in obscure posts and threads leaving many players to guess. Step up and make a definitive statement and sticky them.

Artec

[HidraA]

Ahahah this is damn funny.Two months a go all spamm forum ...put guards at
save...and all where happy till someone got banned for exploiting bug of AI....now all scream: take ride of guards :)
Comon ppl what you want? :)To take ride of guards and after 3 months scream again wee want guards back ?...or lets here more plausible opinions? :)

-I never was agree with guards at saves.But when told this all made me idiot.Now all 50% of ppl want to get ride of them.
-Exploiting bugs of AI win a ban ,is fair sentence.And 2 days is not bad ...
-In syrtis 90% of ppl was afk at save for hours ...now with this guards they are 15 hours from 24 afk...useless players and they deserve to be killed P:

Can ppl before come with one idea to anlise and tell:-this is my ideea,this are minus and this are plus for my ideea? P:

[Mashu]

I almost forgot about something like save camping. It does not exist since guards are at saves... problem is solved. I don't know what is this thread for.,

[Klutu]

I don't save camp - but I will fight around the save

Most people who complain about savecamping do it because they sit and talk at the saves or afk and expect to be left alone

I make trips to Herb CS and ill kill someone and he will sit at the save until his buddies show up - which i find pretty lame

it's a war game you win you lose - all this talk about rp whoring is pointless - if you wanted to see camping stopped simply remove RP and Replace with kill/death ratios or replace with nothing

[mr_scsi]

.....Also, Nekoko that was a good opening post. I find that this game has too many things that are damn nebulous. The community manager should prepare a text of all offences in game. For too long the NGD position is lodged in obscure posts and threads leaving many players to guess. Step up and make a definitive statement and sticky them.

Artec


+1 I dislike the 'rumor rules', when its passed along word of mouth ingame that you can be banned for this or that.

For example, I was told I could be banned for naming my pet \n\n\n\n\n......
I don't get why that would mater, but not being one to tempt the fates, I changed it.

Things like that need to be clearly stated somewhere easy to find.

[rogueish]

When I started playing several years ago, if someone posted a thread complaining about being killed afk at an alter they were laughed out of the forum. And maybe Im an old style player but I still agree with the old outllook that if you go afk anywhere in wz, even at an alter you deserve to be killed. Regnum doesnt have any true safe zones, never did, and shouldnt outside of the realm. It takes like 30 seconds to log out and only slightly longer to log back in, so its not a major issue to simply log out to take a break from the game.

[Hamster_of_sorrow]

When I started playing several years ago, if someone posted a thread complaining about being killed afk at an alter they were laughed out of the forum. And maybe Im an old style player but I still agree with the old outllook that if you go afk anywhere in wz, even at an alter you deserve to be killed. Regnum doesnt have any true safe zones, never did, and shouldnt outside of the realm. It takes like 30 seconds to log out and only slightly longer to log back in, so its not a major issue to simply log out to take a break from the game.

i agree with this only if its an hour long afk type thing. if its just to go for a piss break or grab a quick snack or something, it just kinda stupid to log out then back in.

[Warthog]

To me anyone bitching bout being killed by a save in warzone needs to find a new game. :d It is the warzone, 95% of the time you already have a built in option not to be "camped" at the save, called click on the ressurection to warzone gate button. This is, and should be enough input from NGD if something simlar to the next suggest would be implemented. If you need to afk a long period log off and then back as people have said. An if you are using the save to be "safe" for the few mins it takes to use the restroom or something who cares if you die, you can just res right back to where you were soon as you get back. Someone got a few useless RPs killing you when you went to the toilet, waaaahhhh, omg NGD help! Bleh, who cares, get over it, get over yourself and just play.

As for the 5% of the time when you actually have no choice, that being when your gate is already in danger. A simple solution for me would be instead of having res to gate button, change it to a res to where you start when you first make a char button. This way people still have an option to go somewhere safe but not directly to gate to defend it. Perhaps the initiate zone teleports would need to be hcnaged if this was implemented, which I wouldn't be against. I mean seriouslly how many people rely on them as a way to move around on a consistent basis anyway. Maybe sometimes you might use, but not like a daily or hourly type of thing.

[Nekoko]

While the save camping stuff etc is relevent to this post, I'd like if people would focus on getting a proper thread going for bannable offenses. Glad to hear a lot of people feel along the same lines I do about the subject.

[Greyman_tle]

Personally, if you go afk anywhere in the WZ, your fair game. Thats obvious.

However,
Going out of your way to get to somewhere where you know people will be afk, just to get an easy kill...and then when they complain at how lame you are..telling them to get a life etc...makes you look like a complete dick. You are obviously not interested in actually playing the game, just in increasing your RP count (cause we all know that RP shows how ACE you are).

The above isnt directed at anyone in particular, and i couldnt care less if im killed at a save while im making a cuppa or having a pee, though i do think those that do play this way need to apply for a job seal clubbing as its about the right amount of challenge for them.

There is 1 WZ location that really does annoy me when im killed there....as im not afk, but still most of the time unable to react. And thats while shopping...and to those that say do it in realm...I will as soon as NGD get rid of ALL the WZ merchants.

right back to the OP, If i understand this correctly, we can be banned for effectively out-thinking the AI....if i hide behind a rock so the guard cant shoot me, im NOT abusing anything - terrain is there to be used, otherwise get rid of it and we can play on a flat empty plain. Otherwise stop complaining that NGD cant code for toffee (go play somin else) and to NGD - move/delete the dam rock.

*rough week...ill be back to me usual carefree self as soon as poss.