Will Someone Please Explain to Me How a Conj Gets XP in a Group

[BabbaLou]

I just spent an hour grouped with a fighter three levels higher than me and only got XP for about 10% of the kills. The whole time he was loaded with buffs, and heal over time spells.

I asked my Clan, and they tell me that unless you cast a spell during combat, or do 10% of the damage to the mob, you do not get XP. IS THIS TRUE?

I have been playing healers for more than 30 years now. We do our work when it is needed, not when it is fortuitous for us to get XP. Should I waste my mana casting spells when no one needs them, only to be out of mana when they do? If I have an active buff on you, like bless, or feline grace, while we are in combat, did I not co0ntribute to your success? Does that mean I did not help in the conquest? I cannot heal you if you are fully healed. Why am I penalized for doing my job between kills?

Let me give you a scenario:
I have three other players besides me in a group. We are fighting five mobs. All group members are buffed by me. We kill all five. I heal one member while in combat because he needs it. He is only in combat with one mob. I Heal the other two after combat because they did not need it during combat. I also refresh their buffs while we have some down time. I only get credit for one kill, and no credit for future kills, unless I spend mana during combat. Does this make sense?

If I am missing something here, please explain. This is becoming a deal breaker. I like this game, but if the dice are rigged against me, why bother? Like I say, I have been playing healers for 30 years. I want to play a healer. I know how to do my job. Why am I not getting credit for the job I am doing? What am I doing wrong?

[ieti]

It is a little strange. Your buffs are counted only for current mob that is hit. So if you buff it and he kills mob you get XP. For next mob even buff is still active you get nada. Auras are different. If you use Mana Pylon, Mana Comm unless your allies receive hits and pylon absorbs damage or allies get mana you get XP. If i remember good damage percent was changed from 10% to 5%. Not so sure about that.

[Coriolis-]

excellent point ieti.

I think there is some issues with grinding as a conju w/ someone a lot higher than yourself. But a lot of it has to do with conservation, buff + heal per kill etc.

[Awrath]

It is a little strange. Your buffs are counted only for current mob that is hit. So if you buff it and he kills mob you get XP. For next mob even buff is still active you get nada. Auras are different. If you use Mana Pylon, Mana Comm unless your allies receive hits and pylon absorbs damage or allies get mana you get XP. If i remember good damage percent was changed from 10% to 5%. Not so sure about that.

10% to 5% for enemy players I believe, it remains 10% for mobs.


-Corrected: The participation percentage needed to obtain experience eliminating enemies has been adjusted to 5%. As in the previous version, to take experience from killing creatures still required a participation of 10%.

[ice_zero_cool]

It is a little strange. Your buffs are counted only for current mob that is hit. So if you buff it and he kills mob you get XP. For next mob even buff is still active you get nada. Auras are different. If you use Mana Pylon, Mana Comm unless your allies receive hits and pylon absorbs damage or allies get mana you get XP. If i remember good damage percent was changed from 10% to 5%. Not so sure about that.
Let me add that you only get exp from a buff like bless etc if the buffed player makes a NORMAL HIT after the buff, and not a spell. whyever that is...

[Kitsuni]

When supporting a single warrior you can get alot of experience using only Heal ally (of the maximum level you can get) if they remove their armor, and casting it every single time it is out of cooldown, but only when they are attacking a mob, not inbetween. I don't remember the system used, by some years ago if you cast a level 5 spell for example it counted as the equivalent of dealing 900 damage to the mob. For this reason spells like Mind push can also work - it's an area so you don't have to deselect the target you are healing, and it has a low CD. But it requires a high mental tree. Most mages who level in groups simply use auras and maybe some staff hits using SM, or buff their target every mob (heavy duty).

Different tactics work better with different classes, and for archers especially auras are the easiest.

[Geev]

It's been explained how to get XP with support conj extensively on other threads. See this one, for example:


http://www.regnumonlinegame.com/forum/showthread.php?t=74209

[Zimmythewarju]

well i support all the time and get loads of xp pretty much all you got to do is span any support spell i use 2 spells per mob usually and get around 150-200 xp per mob easiest to spam enchants bc they have fast cooldown and take little mana

[VandaMan]

Yeah, the way support conjus get credit for kills really is garbage. Not only does it make no sense, but teaches leveling conjus that the best way to play is to spam auras and buffs every time they cooldown...

[dejan]

I made my conjurer to lvl 44 year ago just by support - it is pretty easy, and I disagree you have to spam... I did not even use auras...

The only thing I would do with (support) conjurers is to ask (again) NGD to move ambitious sacrifice down level or two... It is really hard to level conjurer under level 21.

[Dubhghaill]

Ieti and Kitsunie have hit it on the head. If your party is using spells and preventing you from getting XP, wish them luck sitting around regenerating their HP on their own. They will soon realise how much slower the grind is without you and not do it in the future. The support system in RO is different to most other games, and arguably not as good as most. The rules in getting XP are simple to follow and although different, still work. I helped two people get to warmaster status recently and used only heal ally(5), regen ally(5), and life savior(4). I was level 48 and got to 49 with support only. They took their armour off to save on repairs and to increase the damage received (which helps me in order to heal and get XP) Win/Win scenario. I find buffs give minimal help but if you feel you have to have them, bless and bless weapon are the only ones IMO that will really impact on the grind for your party to increase kill rate. No mana support should be required as they are doing normal hits only.
If you are chasing RP then you have chosen the wrong class. It is just a pointless status symbol anyway and has no impact on your effectiveness in WZ. If you believe you need RP to feel like you are contributing, change classes. Keeping your realm mates alive should be your No.1 priority.

[Phinneas]

I have a 50 conj (Morrow on Horus). I have only done a couple of levels as support. I find it much easier to level as Warju.

When doing support, I have found that 3 buffs to a mob is required to get max xp. While this is doable nonstop with ambsac and self regen it is VERY busy work and requires constant attention to mana pool, cooldowns, and self buffs. After about an hour I am wore out.

For leveling a conj, Warju is the way to go imop.

[Aid_The_Conjurer]

I'm a professional conj and I can only say... spam your bliss. lmao

[Stormcloud]

I made my conjurer to lvl 44 year ago just by support - it is pretty easy, and I disagree you have to spam... I did not even use auras...

The only thing I would do with (support) conjurers is to ask (again) NGD to move ambitious sacrifice down level or two... It is really hard to level conjurer under level 21.

you forget you can go warjurer style and max out your summons /self supporting buffs and go on a mob killing spree. this is how i quest and grind.
i went from lvl 10 - 29 in 5 days this way not even playing hard and with no exp boosers. Conjurer is not as weak a class as people make it out to be.

[HuntShot]

i went from lvl 10 - 29 in 5 days this way not even playing hard and with no exp boosers.


No offence, but that's not fast... that's pretty slow actually.

[Stormcloud]

play about 3 hrs a day then u get the picture solo grinding

[Huns14]

I made my conjurer to lvl 44 year ago just by support - it is pretty easy, and I disagree you have to spam... I did not even use auras...

The only thing I would do with (support) conjurers is to ask (again) NGD to move ambitious sacrifice down level or two... It is really hard to level conjurer under level 21.

Dejan has a point here :D


play about 3 hrs a day then u get the picture solo grinding

Or just do this ;)