cccp

[w_larsen]

i know, this is game and shit, but i was wondering, do people, who label their clans cccp (has happened in every realm iirc) do realise, that for many people living in ex ussr countries, it generally means the same as it would be called "nazi" or "nazis" in relation to jews?

for reference - russian federation is not the same as ussr, whatever people might feel.

[_Kharbon_]

This might be because in lot of countries communism is not banned, while nacism is. Idk why this is so, but I see your point.

[w_larsen]

its not about communism actually. its more that victims of the great purge, is by all means comparable to holocaust imo.

just holocaust is more spoken about than great purge.

[_Kharbon_]

its not about communism actually. its more that victims of the great purge, is by all means comparable to holocaust imo.

just holocaust is more spoken about than great purge.

I definitely agree.

On the other hand side, it could be difficult to prove that for example the shortcut "ss" would be difficult to prove to be reffering to Schutzstaffel, if the clan was called something something like "silent shooters"...

CCCP is not a coincidence though, and it can make several people offended.

[ieti]

I live in EX communist country - Bulgaria. I have nothing against USSR(СССР) as word. It sounds like nazi? LOL?!? It was the name of old soviet union. Nothing wrong in this. It is part of old times which is good to never forget. I remember good and bad things about that time - we got sandwich in school for 5st which was nice. When all this collapsed we waited with hours to buy milk and bread.

I became a chavrarche and pionerche and weared a blue and red stuff on my neck. It all collapsed before i get to konsomoletz. I got my first computer in that time - Pravetz 8c, an Apple II clone. :D

[blood-raven]

ow cmon, let ppl choose there clan name <<

if we are on this road maybe i can say "some of my foremothers died because of the inquisition and i'm so offended by the clan name".
i know they did terrible things but what din't do terrible things?
it's just a clan name, get over it

[Carn]

If you start complaining about USSR, you might aswell complain about inquisition.

Or even The White Company, for it being a racist clan ( wich it is not btw :P )

Any clan name could be taken offensive in some way.

[ieti]

You can not justify USSR with Stalin. It is like to justify Germany with Hitler. USSR is just a name, nothing wrong in it. My grand fathers and grandmothers was communists and was proud with this. I can not blame them. They live in different times and fighted for different causes. They lived happy, proud, nice lives.

[w_larsen]

oh im not complaining actually, i was just wondering. and the answers are there, in posts.

You can not justify USSR with Stalin. It is like to justify Germany with Hitler.

yeah, ussr was name more like "third reich" - enonomical and political system devised and made happen by its leaders. as you can't seperate third reich from nazis, you cant seperate ussr from purge.

however you can seperate germany and russia from that.

[ieti]

USSR was a name of a union. Nothing more. What politics, communists, fanatics done there have nothing with the name. I have seen and remember alot things which are quite shocking. This times will never return, and it is good to never forget. Stalin is crazy and fanatic, alot from communists done unforgivable things to their people.

We still have statues of Lenin in some cities. Germans have statue of Georgi Dimitrov. This is history and it is here, so we never forget.

Communism as philosophy is alot different from what it was in this countries.

[Miraculix]

Oh wow, look, a bunch of uneducated, historically inaccurate remarks about the CCCP. What a surprise. This never happens.

[Anpu]

Is this offensive?

http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/3230/snapshot99o.jpg

Apart from, IMO, nonsense you posted in this thread, may I remind you that Regnum Online is a virtual imagined world, which has zero relation with Real Life (current and its history) you are referring to.

Edit for anonymous red karma: yeah it is a nonsense. And my country is ex communist. Which again, has zero relation with RO. ;)

[w_larsen]

it might be. infact in some democratic countries it is even banned.

and while i might have good reason to have a thing about ussr (attacking border guard posts, kidnaping people, including children and trying to overthrow newly declared independence shortly before fall of ussr,(not counting the occupation, and deportations at all. )) i dont really care that much personally.
however i know few persons, who do.

as for relation between ro and real life. a symbol is what it is, a symbol. it symbolises things. both on flags and ro.

[ieti]

Banned?? This countries are sure democratic... xD

In fact if i compare propaganda when we was communist country and propaganda it is now in USA i see in US is same or worse. Free countries, democratic pff...

Americans are mind washed about alot things - as we were back then before 1990. Comminism have alot good ideas, but as every idea there are people who will try to get goods for them and spoil it.

Times change, people change. Ban an historical name, because of some crazy, psycho pt - i do not see how democratic is this. In fact if there was no Stalin, Hitler will be winner of WW2 and whole europe will be german. Sure Stalin killed milions in syberia, sure he was a beast and done countless crimes against humanity.

USSR as name have nothing to do with that. It is just a name for united soviet repiblics. Same as European Union and United States of America.

[Anpu]

Democratic country censures history? Interesting democracy. So far, I only know China censuring part of its history, and its not democratic country.

In my country stars are removed from government's roofs, and some government institution symbols are replaced, books for schools cleaned from its propaganda. There is still Communist party, and its present in elections (not that they won anything, but that is the preference of the majority of voters). Usual stuff in democracy in 21th century.

Events from history that reminds you on "bad CCCP" IMO, do not give you right to proclaim "CCCP" name in fantasy MMO as offensive. Is La Jihad clan from Alsius Ra offensive? Is Inquisition offensive? TWC? Do any of those clans have relation with activities you mention? Should I be mad on clan name NATO (NATO bombarded my country in 1999.)? Should I hate Germans or Japanese or Italians because of WW2? All those events happened by decisions of bad leaders.

To sum up. I do not find CCCP/Reich (...) offensive. Bad stuff happened, you live now much better. Why keep hate? Move on, enjoy new opportunities that new era offers.

@ieti's "USSR as name have nothing to do with that. It is just a name for united soviet repiblics. Same as European Union and United States of America." +1

[ieti]

To add something. Do someone knows alot about Nikolae Cheushesku. He was a dictator and was executed by romanians right after they bringed communist stuff down. I know only this about him. I bet he done horrible stuff to his people and they exceuted him because of this. Romanian changes was alot more drastic compared to that in my country.

In my county our leader - Todor Zhivkov was nice. He looked for country interests. He was not shot after we become democratic. He died in his home and was only in house arrest. Every BG citizen remembers him as nice guy with sense of humor and wise decisions. Sure there was an politic prisoners, there was a place called "Belene" where they was prisoned. We was communist country after all, but things was not so worse.

As Anpu says this is history and things in the past. No need to hate and ban them. History is to learn from it and do not make same mistakes again.

P.S. If you give karma at least sign it. Nothing wrong to do it - just be a man and sigh it. :thumb:

[Balint]

Comminism have alot good ideas.
for example?

[Truewar]

Dear Larsen...

First of all USSR is a country where I was born. This clan name is kind of nostalgia and nothing more.

Communism is a same lie as a capitalism.

Difference between USSR and Russian Federation? Nothing. Both governments has jewish roots. Both lies. The real name of our homeland is Rus. Not even Russia.

Don't judge nation by government.

P.S. & Off-top: Did you know that word NATION has Russian roots "NASH ON" (Наш он)?

[Pendalf]

CCCP is my clan.
CCCP is a name of a country I was born in, I am proud to be born in it. And I dont care larsen about your problems with world history and misunderstanding a subject.
It's a really sad thing that people have too few information which is actually a complete lie.
Larsen how can you proof your words from the first post?
I can ensure you that neither me, nor any of my clanmates have NOT any common with nazism. CCCP never was a nazist country. CCCP fought nazist Germany and defeated it.
BTW Larsen is there any wrong if i call my clan Latvia? Do you know that there are official nazist marches in Riga?
Is it CCCP or Russian Federation bomb unarmed people in Livia? NO! Who's offensive? USA, UK and Franse? Democratic citadel destroys unarmed african and arabian kids. "Do you still got oil and not democratic? Then we fly to you!"
Thank you ieti, blood-raven, Excess, Anpu and Truewar for your good posts, smart as usual.

[Pendalf]

P.S. & Off-top: Did you know that word NATION has Russian roots "NASH ON" (Наш он)?

НИчего подобного. Это слово "НАЦИЯ" - "Наци я". xD

[blood-raven]

i guess you think like: all countries need to change names because i'm offended by germany since they invaded us twice, i'm offended by the US for ruling (ruining) our economy, i'm offended by romania because they found stolen hardwear from beglium and holland with a valeu of 50mil EUR there and i'm offended by russia because they have to damn much oil xD

also i'm offended by hinduism and aincient italians because they used the swastika (o no!) but it's placed on it's sides.

really: get over it lol.

[Nekudotayim]

i'm offended by germany since they invaded us twice

With the current invasion mechanics, we could invade you every night and we do no longer need an army for this - only a few lifeless beings and how do you kill those, who have no life?

Sorry, couldn't resist. :-)

[w_larsen]

Difference between USSR and Russian Federation? Nothing. Both governments has jewish roots. Both lies. The real name of our homeland is Rus. Not even Russia.

Dear Truewar,
now you have opportunity to express your critical opinion on government, even to hint indirectly at jewish roots as cause without getting into jail or "chat" with authorities, nothing really possible in ussr, even in its late years.
You also have the chance to run whatever company and own property, as well as freely travel and communicate without restrictions.

Do you know that there are official nazist marches in Riga?
i don't know about nazist marches, but i know there is march of remebering latvian legionares, who fought against soviet army. of course as latvia at that moment was occupied by germany and legion was conscripted in SS, some nazis see it is as some sort of nazi day, as do see some others. infact 16th march is a day when 15th and 17th divisions worked together at veljikaja river.

EDIT:
ofc latvians had their share of nazi crackheads, like arajs and cukurs (the later apparently was evil enough, for mossad to murder him) but not really the legionares, they were conscripted by germans, fought soviets and thats what they remember.

on a side note, if anyone suspects me giving unsigned karma, its not the case.

another edit: i know, that this post and previous, seem to contradict, but as i said before, i dont personally care so much, and i can understand people who feel offended for legionares march. should it be baned? no. is it offensive? probably. should cccp clan name be baned? no. is it offensive? probably.

[Godot]

they had some good hockey teams tho...

[tikinho]

:facepalm3: w_larsen :facepalm3:

[ice_zero_cool]

Banned?? This countries are sure democratic...

In fact if i compare propaganda when we was communist country and propaganda it is now in USA i see in US is same or worse. Free countries, democratic pff...

Americans are mind washed about alot things - as we were back then before 1990. Comminism have alot good ideas, but as every idea there are people who will try to get goods for them and spoil it.
well, good ideas alone wont work. Im not a fan of him, but Hitler's idea of making all countries on Europe the same (language, money, etc etc) is a good idea, too. Only the way Hitler wanted to realize this idea was "a little" overboard.

Times change, people change. Ban an historical name, because of some crazy, psycho pt - i do not see how democratic is this. In fact if there was no Stalin, Hitler will be winner of WW2 and whole europe will be german. Sure Stalin killed milions in syberia, sure he was a beast and done countless crimes against humanity.

USSR as name have nothing to do with that. It is just a name for united soviet repiblics. Same as European Union and United States of America.

Should I hate Germans or Japanese or Italians because of WW2?
Right, dont hate me :D
All those events happened by decisions of bad leaders.
mhm, i feel like giving +1 to this xD if i could give you some more rep right now, that is

i'm offended by germany since they invaded us twice
Im sorry :ohill:

With the current invasion mechanics, we could invade you every night and we do no longer need an army for this - only a few lifeless beings and how do you kill those, who have no life?
+1 here too :D:angel1:
*10charsoutsideofthequotes*

PS: my notes should be read with a non-serious tone :play_ball:
PS2: blah blah blubber blubber fasel :facepalm3::cuac:

[Truewar]

OMG! I can't imagine what will after USSR casques appear in RO xD

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/1585/screenshot2011092208295.jpg

[andres81]

And since Abu Ghraib i feel offended by the words US and USA - change this it hurts my eyes xD

[UmarilsStillHere]

A name is just a name, should we also stamp on players if their name happens to relate to some obscure bastard somewhere in history?

So long as people aren't actively bullying other players in game with their ideology I say we're fine.

[dejan]

I haven't see that much bullshit for a long time.

Associating CCCP with Nazis is the same as associating USA with Nazis... Why, because the name is basically the same!

USA = Unated States of America
USSR = Unated States of Soviet Republics

God w_larsen, have some beer man and relax. Also learn something about history of something you so obviously hate and you don't know shit about.

If you really WANT to know why CCCP - I believe it is because many people from those (former) Soviet republics speak the same language, love similar things, have similar mentalities. Normally they would join a clan where they can talk the same language with other players.

[isgandarli]

If you really WANT to know why CCCP - I believe it is because many people from those (former) Soviet republics speak the same language, love similar things, have similar mentalities. Normally they would join a clan where they can talk the same language with other players.

Mentality is not the same not similar, but most can speak Russian language. Btw, Russian players keep speaking in English between each other, just because Regnum doesn't support cyrillic alphabet, if you could imagine how ugly it seems to write russian words using english alphabet :)

[andres81]

english alphabet :)

There is no english alphabet - it is the latin (roman) alphabet xD

[isgandarli]

There is no english alphabet - it is the latin (roman) alphabet xD

I meant english keyb. layout... Sorry

[ieti]

In Bulgaria is pretty popular to write with latin alphabet in chats, forums etc. Lately most forums and sites push people to write in Cyrillic which is better for readers.

Still in RO we write in bulgarian with latin alphabet.

[NSer]

In Bulgaria is pretty popular to write with latin alphabet in chats, forums etc. Lately most forums and sites push people to write in Cyrillic which is better for readers.

Still in RO we write in bulgarian with latin alphabet.

hehe :
Russian in Latin alphabet: shto za hren!?=WTF?
That's why we prefer english :d

[isgandarli]

hehe :
Russian in Latin alphabet: shto za hren!?=WTF?
That's why we prefer english :d

Russians will understand xD

[NSer]

Russians will understand xD

+1 made my day :d

[ieti]

We use 6 = sh, 4 = ch to simplify and speed writing. It looks bad but works. Yep every slavik will understand. ;)

[dejan]

isgandarli, I know how it is to write in Russian using latin alphabet. I speak Russian too (besides Serbian/Croatian, Swedish and English)... It is not that difficult actually. But we are off topic here.

[NSer]

But we are off topic here.
who cares :D

[AxisVirtd]

Dear Truewar,
now you have opportunity to express your critical opinion on government, even to hint indirectly at jewish roots as cause without getting into jail


Who? Me? I live in RF.
Read article 282 of the criminal code of RF. It`s full of surprises.

You also have the chance to run whatever company

Only those, which can not be dangerous for the System. Like in any other country.

and own property

Yeah, few peoples in Russia owns almost all property. Capitalism starts from robbery and theth all the time.

EDIT:
ofc latvians had their share of nazi crackheads, like arajs and cukurs (the later apparently was evil enough, for mossad to murder him) but not really the legionares, they were conscripted by germans, fought soviets and thats what they remember.

Oh, these guys were really good, I see. They were bringing freedom to all nations. Under the flag of The Third Reich.
It`ll be nice to read your opinion about «not-citizens».

i know, this is game and shit, but i was wondering, do people, who label their clans cccp (has happened in every realm iirc) do realise, that for many people living in ex ussr countries, it generally means the same as it would be called "nazi" or "nazis" in relation to jews?

Well, I know some jews. The word «nazi» means nothing for them. They are not idiots, and they have not a part/share at «lohocost-buisness». As for the «many people living in ex ussr», who cares, what do they think? Look at these countries, and you`ll see a lot of discriminating laws in them, which were created to affect russian part of population. So, «It`s a question whose cow should say 'moo!'».

[KlosPl]

i know, this is game and shit, but i was wondering, do people, who label their clans cccp (has happened in every realm iirc) do realise, that for many people living in ex ussr countries, it generally means the same as it would be called "nazi" or "nazis" in relation to jews?

for reference - russian federation is not the same as ussr, whatever people might feel.

yesh ! I had Al-Queda clan and ppl were complain !