WM update is only making it harder for underpopulated realms/servers... [Archive]

tarashunter

04-21-2011, 03:10 PM

The quest is not important, its simply new/different/novel/fun/fresh/pick your adjective.

If there were MORE of this type of quest/challenge/pick your noun, I think you'd see invasions for all sorts of reasons. invasions..... isn't that the idea?? And would you rather it go back to invade/open portal/curse enemy realm?

Everyone was bitching that it was static/old/boring...... so NGD came up with something to cure that..... and you bitch when people embrace it..... /me thinks people just wanna bitch.

I'm strongly agree with you on that.
More objective to make ppl invade is a great thing,and make the game sensed and less static.

On the other hand,ppl,are not asking to remove invasion because is not fun,but simply because the mechanism is broken.
Actual state of invasion is not fun.
If i was an alsius player,for sure i would leave game immediatly...
Have a realm with 25 ppl on that show up only if you go zerg their save(because let's be onest,when syrtis or ignis show up at save you see alsius zerg show on,coming from no where),is not fun.
What do the other 25 goats while syrtis or ignis hold agger with 25/30 ppls?

Pls stop speak about underpopulater realm.
As told on others treads you have the number,and if you play together you can be warmaster too.
With the actual kind of play of alsius, + ignis that invade only during european night when no one have the number to defence, + that huge reward that make unbalance with warmasters power,NGD would do better to block invasion for a while...

The more stupid things is that you have to tell that at this company....because seems they don't know their own games...about balance,gameplay mechanism,bugs.
Don't come to tell me that the picture is still not complete,there are too many problems that make this picture no-sense some time.

As many players suggested,you better do an unique update that make ppl see the picture complete,and well explain things...without use a blog to speak with comunity once on a month,coming out with: "next week we will reveal the incredible secrets of warmaster"....then the week after "today we will speak about the first skill"...then the same and only after 1 month you have a semi-complete picture of what you are levelling for from 1 month.

Even more stupid than this,is,that even if is NGD foult only for all that problems,during a complain thread,or during a discussion,you make your enemy be the problem.
Guys ignis have no foult if they can invade all night....If i can do it,for sure i would do it too to become warmaster first...

I know is hard for alsius...and i understand you guys...but is a gameplay problem,that cannot be solved by your game enemys.

P.S:
@ NGD;i'm not doing a campaign against you in every one of my thread,i'm only speaking about what i clearly see,so don't hate me,cause i know you read and then ignore.

terekon

04-21-2011, 03:51 PM

Were is the balance in this? More players = more WM's - More Invasions = more WM's

RA isn't the only server NGD - lower populated servers/realms can't withstand being outnumbered by ppl and WM's :facepalm3:

Ignis has the underpop bonus. So the underpop realm has the most wms. Not because of our numbers. Because we try, and try, and try. Im pretty sure between alsius and syrtis you could get something together. It happens occasionally. Or hell just syrtis, you have plenty of players.

Anyway, balance will come with more WMs from all realms. It will happen it just takes some warring. i know for some of you thats a difficult concept. But you have plenty of 60's.

Jippy

04-21-2011, 04:47 PM

"But you have plenty of 60's"

We did... :ohill:

terekon

04-21-2011, 04:58 PM

"But you have plenty of 60's"

We did... :ohill:

LMAO! xD

OK, so plenty -4.

_Seinvan

04-21-2011, 08:01 PM

This Warmaster crap sucks -.- Those beacons are ridiculous. At least make them an AoE instead of a 'buff'. Btw, haven't checked, are they destructible?

Until Alsius gets a few warmasters (which the closest ones I know of were banned :() we'll probably be beaten into submission even more :facepalm3:

tjanex

04-23-2011, 06:13 AM

Well I actually begin to hate the Warmaster update.

- NGD doesn't show up when we ask for change
- Invasion system sucks, Ignis can invade us with small groups when almost no one is here to defend.
- Noble kill quest should be monthly, but absolutely NOT every day, by this there are already around 9 Warmasters at Ignis (from what I've heard)
- The beacons are far too OP, soon every person at a fort war will use the beacons, where do we have kick, feint, ambush etc. for then!?
- Not to talk about the gate which a lvl 50 marks can get down! Have you ever seen the Troyan walls come down because of one good archer!? Ridiculus!

Please NGD I just ask you to change a few things asap because maybe this is working at Ra, but Horus is also a server you have to take care off, and things aren't going as they should be.

JennyfromtheBlock

04-23-2011, 06:47 AM

_Enio_

04-23-2011, 06:51 AM

- Noble kill quest should be monthly, but absolutely NOT every day

Hate to break it to you, but i think its totally intended to give this warmaster boost to the realm pulling off the most invasions. After all they wanted to push regnum into more invasions, the ro - endgame..

I cant imagine they didnt realize that additional 10k wc per day would be a bit overkill, if not intended..

w_larsen

04-23-2011, 07:30 AM

trying to defend agains warmasters without warmasters is bit hardcore :D

so there is this red zerg in aggers, and we decide to see trelly as time runs out. we run/horse there and guess what. the same aggers zerg is there. :D

_Enio_

04-23-2011, 07:44 AM

Alsius will complain until they start getting WM's... I am sure it would suck to not have any WM's when the other realms have some. Just try and war and be patient.

Sorry for the -xp. :( I didn't vote for it. I find it to be a stupid wish that needs to be removed.

I dont see how some warmasters will make the big difference when the attacking realm has more of them.
The buffs design gives the bigger zerg an advantage. Tactical cc is shut down, more hack 'n slash with buffs on both sides will inevitably result in the higher numbers to succeed. The smaller group gaining advantages by smart use of CC is no more.

Sad fact about the offensive beacon is, while designed to give a new tactical tool in fights it will, by too high uptime given some time, result in the opposite by shutting down tactical play.

Llayne

04-23-2011, 01:41 PM

Hate to break it to you, but i think its totally intended to give this warmaster boost to the realm pulling off the most invasions. After all they wanted to push regnum into more invasions, the ro - endgame..

I cant imagine they didnt realize that additional 10k wc per day would be a bit overkill, if not intended..

Are you really in this thread saying that 10k warmaster coins per day is too much? Are you really Enio?

_Enio_

04-23-2011, 04:03 PM

Are you really in this thread saying that 10k warmaster coins per day is too much?

When not everyone has the same chances to gain these it is a too big advantage imho.

Topogigio_BR

04-23-2011, 04:43 PM

WM update was a good thing at my point of view it kind of left every class and every realm at same position.

But Nobles quest was introduced to early in the game, NGD should have wait for things to settle down between realms before introducing this kind of quest.

tjanex

04-24-2011, 05:24 AM

And again an invasion from Ignis when no one is online, we have to face this every day, every week -xp to grind? NGD change this omfg...

A_K_M

04-24-2011, 05:44 AM

Hate to say, but a couple days ago... we invaded all day long. So the fact that we invade at night isn't really all that big of a deal. I think we invaded alsuis a few times and syrtis a couple times. I think this needs some help because honestly... the beginning was fun, then it got hilarious... and now its down right pathetic. The only reason why we invade now is in the hopes we can get all of our WM all squared away and you will one day get the amount of people to feel confident in your abilities to fight. We will be able to focus more on the defense of the realm (like we have in the past) then we do in actual invading.

I'm sorry it has to be this way. But really, you cant sit here in the forums and tell us you wouldn't do the same. Regnum is full of opportunists.

Your time will come, believe it or not there was a time when Syrtis and Alsuis were the top realms also. Sure it was about 2-4 years ago now, but I have faith in you.

P.S. You may want to be a little bit more coordinated in your rushes. Not seeing a whole lot of it.

_Nel_

04-24-2011, 06:06 AM

Tjan, since new invasion mechanics on german and french servers it happens everyday, yeah everyday, for 2 months now, and NGD didn't do anything to fix it, even if gamigo staff has already reported that critical issue.

So don't expect anything from devs, they reached a point where they act like an autistic person, deaf dumb blind. Try to live with that, for probably the next 2 months until warmaster number get stabilized.

NGD has introduced too much imbalance with nobles quest, giving to an overpowered realm able to invade every nights much more power.

But to be honest, every people who will try to play with syrtis night crew will get a very bad experience of this game, since literally no one is online, making syrtis an open realm, free to anyone who wants to gank any noobs inner realm. Alsius will probably suffer even worse.

AnathirUthwe

04-24-2011, 06:48 AM

I've been a part of that crew, and its not easy. We're not bad players just horribly outnumbered.

terekon

04-24-2011, 03:28 PM

I have seen some good fights from syrtis, and last night after we were done invading you had quite the formidable group online. Alsius as well. Even the group you had when we were invading wasnt bad.

Finished my 30 syrtis and allmost the alsius before I logged off. Killed 0 noobs inner realm personally. Too busy with other things to bother your noobs. Alsius noobs have balls though. Other night about 10 were charging us at the leader. about 5 were below 20, really trying though.

Im sure it sux right now but it will get better when you start getting WMs besides Stooge.

One thing I would like to add, dont be pissed because we are actually playing the game. We are all sitting in mumble talking about how nice it would be if you tried. And not just against the invasions. Im sure at this point thats Difficult. But the other day when you forts were invulnerable for a short period we went to aggs market. Killed a few, a few more showed, then 8 or so showed, then 25 ALSIUS CHARGE FROM THE SAVE! run us over... So we go to samal and wait for meni to be taken. Nothing...

Go to the market, kill a few, few more show, the 25 ALSIUS CHARGE FROM THE SAVE! and we get run over... Why not go do something other than log onto your mains to kill us at the market then log back onto alts? Because from my perspective thats exactly what it looked like.

Gabburtjuh

04-24-2011, 03:33 PM

More like, 25 goats got killed all over while grinding/selling, kill you, and go back to what they are doing, the problem in alsius is, if we have 20 ppl at a fort, 10 were grinding, and go back to do that after, and because alsius just HAS THE LOWEST POP, even if not that much less, 10 grinders mean half our force, for a group of 30, this means 33%, it's just like the Horus - Ra stuff, imbalances in Horus are just more painfull due to scale.

terekon

04-24-2011, 03:58 PM

Ignis has underpop bonus far last I checked.

w_larsen

04-24-2011, 04:20 PM

thats right, this morning it was 10% for iggs and 25% for goats.

_Nel_

04-24-2011, 04:44 PM

thats right, this morning it was 10% for iggs and 25% for goats.

Lol, I wondered why Ignis was claiming they are more underpop than Alsius, it's only because they have a realm bonus. But Alsius has a far bigger one. xD

VandaMan

04-24-2011, 05:55 PM

Lol, I wondered why Ignis was claiming they are more underpop than Alsius, it's only because they have a realm bonus. But Alsius has a far bigger one. xD

Nah, for some reason only one realm gets the bonus, even though the realm select screen says two do. Ignis had it, it just switched back to alsius yesterday or the night before.

_Nel_

04-24-2011, 07:59 PM

I did a quick test on noob chars to check it by myself, and both realms have a +RLM bonus.

Alsius starting bonus : +25% xp and + 25% gold
> http://img23.imageshack.us/i/capturealsius.jpg/

Alsius in game bonus : around +25% (no dragon malus)
> http://img31.imageshack.us/i/screenshot2011042421300.jpg/

Ignis starting bonus : +10% xp
> http://img577.imageshack.us/i/captureignis.jpg/

Ignis in game bonus : around +25% (+10% from underpop and +15% from dragon)
> http://img94.imageshack.us/i/screenshot2011042421354.jpg/

I know it's not an accurate test cause of the tiny amount of base xp, but both realms have a RLM bonus according with the realm selection screen.

Gabburtjuh

04-24-2011, 08:03 PM

we have 25% though, even with -xp wish we get rlm bonus

tjanex

04-24-2011, 08:34 PM

Im sure it sux right now but it will get better when you start getting WMs besides Stooge.

Omg, it's not only about the fact we have no Warmasters in our night crew, it's about we have only 10 at night and you have 40... Even if we get those 10 night crew members Warmaster you will have your 40 Night crew Warmasters before we do, it's not just about Warmasters.

terekon

04-24-2011, 09:00 PM

I killed 20 alsius during invasion last night. The problem is that you have 10 at one fort, 3 at the gate, 2 at a gem, 1 in the leader room waiting, and 3 at the save saying you dont have enough.

_Nel_

04-24-2011, 10:13 PM

And what do you expect from people who die, get ganked and lose again and again, such things promoting stress, frustration, aggressivity and sometimes hate between players of the same realm.

You can not expect people will play friendly making the best teamplay in the best happy world in a such tensed psychological shape. We don't live in an utopia.

Nekoko

04-24-2011, 10:31 PM

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I have a feeling the calcuation for the realm bonuses aren't done too well and probably fluctuate frequently for that very reason, giving a skewed indication of overall population of a realm. Probably just takes a sample of the current amount logged in every so often and gives bonuses based on that rather than the overall amount of logins over a duration of time.

terekon

04-24-2011, 10:35 PM

_Nel_

04-25-2011, 04:32 AM

I just played this morning (few minutes ago) to take a last look at the daily, I mean nightly invasion from ignis and your zerg looks overhelming from a non-warmasters view with few people online.

There was not a lot of ignis at efe, around 6, making it takable during the time of gate counter even if castle was lvl 4. Then a WM casted a TP and 10 more ppl appeared from nowhere. Our little group (around 10) got ganked. So the best was to go to another fort.

We tried herb. Unfortunatly it was heavily camped, track said 23 ppl, even if it's closer to an altar and more ppl can join us (maybe gather 15 ppl), it's hopeless to try to get herb back.

So we try to go alga. Alga is a one shot fort. You try it once and if you die, you don't want to go there once again cause it's too far from save. Alga was lvl 4, 15 ignis, and no body followed us, we were only 4.

So what happened? I bet you'll never guess! I logged off. :D
I don't want to play your game and I'm probably not alone to think it.

I can feel what Alsius have to endure every day. It's not only an heavily camped fort with some farming at save. At least in this case, you can do something else until every campers get bored, and like that we don't play your game. But nah, your game is to invade once, twice or sometimes even more every night, getting gems and noble quest, and nothing can be done to stop you. So the best thing to do is to log off and let this game deteriorate by itself. You will reap what you sowed.

@Nekoko
NGD doesn't know how to calculate a percentage malus, don't expect a good calculation of population. xD

tjanex

04-25-2011, 06:23 AM

I remember a time when syrtis invaded with 60+ often. Camped samal with 50 often. Like clockwork 15 ppl would come to camp samal save every morning. Not stand near and wait for a fight but standing on it killing anyone who spawned.

The zerg we have is not nearly as overwhelming. And Alsius remembers this to. Didn't just happen to Ignis. Standing at the gate with 10 players while 60+ syrtis walk through like no one is there. But we still fought. Maybe not all of us but plenty. If its stressful to them then dont play. Its not a game if its stressing you out.

But saying there is only 10 online. I know different. I wasn't save camping, hunting, or fort hopping. I stayed at trelle and didnt go to the gate until the gem was in trouble. And managed 20 kills from 10 players apparently.

Its a game. Play it. Dont get upset because someone else is on top. Your turn will come. Plus we get bored easily.

Omg we did NOT invade everyday and if we invaded we DID NOT invade with 20 people to the gate (what should be imposible) I've never seen a gate break in 1 sec and those guards in front of the wall are pratically useless!

I'm not frustrated about the fact you can invade every morning, k no problem for me, but the fact it is possible makes me frustrated, the invasion system knows almost no tactics, only camp a fort and then even 1 archer can get the gate down, what kind of system is this...

And about the game part: A game should be FUN not FRUSTRATING like it is now. Every time I come online I want to grind but can't because pigs are invading again, you probably will say then just grind and leave your realm, and then what get -xp again?

mr_scsi

04-25-2011, 03:20 PM

When not everyone has the same chances to gain these it is a too big advantage imho.

I find it funny that the KNOWN op player, now just a normal player like the rest of us, is complaining that others are now OP. :facepalm3:

Alsius just needs to put down the grind banner for a while, and pick up the war banner, complete the quests and get some warmasters. Ignis is not doing anything that alsius doesn't have access to just the same.

Topogigio_BR

04-25-2011, 03:22 PM

I remember a time when syrtis invaded with 60+ often. Camped samal with 50 often. Like clockwork 15 ppl would come to camp samal save every morning. Not stand near and wait for a fight but standing on it killing anyone who spawned.

The zerg we have is not nearly as overwhelming. And Alsius remembers this to. Didn't just happen to Ignis. Standing at the gate with 10 players while 60+ syrtis walk through like no one is there. But we still fought. Maybe not all of us but plenty. If its stressful to them then dont play. Its not a game if its stressing you out.

But saying there is only 10 online. I know different. I wasn't save camping, hunting, or fort hopping. I stayed at trelle and didnt go to the gate until the gem was in trouble. And managed 20 kills from 10 players apparently.

Its a game. Play it. Dont get upset because someone else is on top. Your turn will come. Plus we get bored easily.

when? alsius is underpopulated for almost 3 years now, as long as i play, excepts for a brief period less than a month. Even if you get this 20 ppl you said you saw, they are probably lower lvl than the ignis crew, and what 20 ppl can do againt 40 or more all high lvls. Better just dance at the save.

Cuchulainn

04-25-2011, 04:41 PM

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Alsius just needs to put down the grind banner for a while, and pick up the war banner, complete the quests and get some warmasters. Ignis is not doing anything that alsius doesn't have access to just the same.

IMHO most Alsians who prefer balanced fort wars to grind, hunts or PvP's already left the game or the realm :cuac:

terekon

04-25-2011, 05:56 PM

20 ppl can do something. Maybe not stop an invasion but if you all go to one fort you could get some kills. The only way to get wm is by finishing quests. Cant finish quests by standing at the save can you?

If you finish the quests, and get some wms things will get easier. If you cry and do nothing the game will leave you behind. If this is the case you should do what you do best. Grind. forget we are invading because thats all your doing standing at the save whining except that is pissing you off.

And your right. Syrtis didnt invade all the everyday. Because you dont try to. Never have. You have scheduled invasions on Sundays when the Americas are sleeping. We dont plan, we organize with what we have. When you invaded us in those mornings and I Happened to be on I enjoyed it.

As far as -xp goes idk why thats chosen. Doesn't help Ignis. There are many of us trying to get ppl to not choose that because its a ridiculous wish. Not that alsius and syrtis would like to have a bunch of Ignis with draconic gems running around.

There has been several times Alsius and Syrtis have made some half assed attempt at invading and the mistakes you make end up costing you the effort. Keep trying and you'll figure it out. the biggest problem I have seen is alsius taking meni and shaan, while syrtis heavily fortifies samal. Alsius doesnt have enough to hold 2 forts... not at peak hours, not while your trying to invade.

Castingbeast

04-25-2011, 06:20 PM

20 ppl can do something. Maybe not stop an invasion but if you all go to one fort you could get some kills. The only way to get wm is by finishing quests. Cant finish quests by standing at the save can you?

Accually thats valid for both ignis and syrtis atm they need to move to agg merka to get their kills for the Wm quest, Alsius CAN complete em just by standing near save/merka. Thx to reds... They were idiots and took both of our gems so why should alsius move to any forts now? To help reds/greens complete their wm quests? We can complete ours just by standing at save, so if u want ur kills come and get em!
You shouldve known or even, U SHOULD KNOW, alsius cant/dont wanna (call it what u want) invade, if u want fights move to merka, or dont take both gems next time :P
And also a big thanks for NGD for making it possible and making invasions so lame and unbalanced. They really should do something about things like this ASAP or else things will turn out worse and worse as time passes..

_Enio_

04-27-2011, 03:54 PM

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Ignis is not doing anything that alsius doesn't have access to just the same.

Get off your high horse and keep the insults for yourself.

Giving huge boost in "power" for the realm with the most "power" is not healthy for Regnum.

As far as i know ignis currently (or at least the last weeks) has a good window where they can easily rally the needed numbers difference for invading, which then the other 2 realms have hard times with, which ultimately alllowed them to do the quest more often. In return this gave exactly those in this lucky timezone more power to repeat.

This might even out in some months when every player is WM even without the help of the generals quest but still, thats just a flawed design.

And quit interpreting stuff in my words, i dont complain, im just pointing something out.

mr_scsi

04-27-2011, 04:33 PM

Get off your high horse and keep the insults for yourself.

I like it up here where i can see all the little people throw tantrums.

This might even out in some months when every player is WM even without the help of the generals quest but still, thats just a flawed design.

And quit interpreting stuff in my words, i dont complain, im just pointing something out.

I'm not interpreting anything just stating facts.
The wm quest resets at 10pm my time, by 11-11:30 pm my time I have usually finished 30/30 syrtis and 30/30 alsius.
Let's interpret that a bit shall we?? That means that there are at LEAST 30 UNIQUE players from alsius logged into horus. Are you going to maintain that with those numbers they can't (note the choice of can't vs won't) take back 1 fort to stop the evil ignis rocks from invading?

In the process of taking back a fort, I would venture a guess that they might even kill a few ignis along the way, working toward THEIR 30/30 quests. That is if they bothered to get the quest and had any intention of becoming wm to aid their realm achieve some goals.

Instead they prefer to whine about how wm makes everything uneven. Like I said b4, put aside the grinding for a bit and come war.

It would be great if YOU would grab the bull by the horns. Log in and rally your realm, you never know, they might respect and follow you. Its worth a shot.
Consider that a personal challenge, become part of the solution, stop being part of the problem.

I'll be looking for you at the head of the alsius zerg

_Enio_

04-27-2011, 05:01 PM

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Srsly, whats wrong with you.. could you maybe get back to a mannered level before replying?

As far as i know ignis currently (or at least the last weeks) has a good window where they can easily rally the needed numbers difference for invading, which then the other 2 realms have hard times with, which ultimately alllowed them to do the quest more often. In return this gave exactly those in this lucky timezone more power to repeat.

It actually doesnt matter if it is numbers, morale, skill, coordination or whatever reasons are underlying for those invasions.

The effect onesided repeated invasions have just isnt healthy for the game in the long run with such rewards.

If you refuse to answer in a mannered way, my PM is enabled, do it that way.

Jippy

04-27-2011, 05:17 PM

"Instead they prefer to whine about how wm makes everything uneven."

Everyone agree's - It's not just whining, but fact, WM's make everything uneven...

Realm "A" can tele to enemy forts Realm "B" cannot = uneven

tjanex

04-27-2011, 06:27 PM

At the blog they say there are 25 WM's on Horus, Syrtis got 3-4, Alsius 1-2 so guess who has the rest!? And yes, it's a fact the WM update is causing a huge imbalance between different Realms.

Tigerious

04-27-2011, 06:39 PM

I have a solution for alsians, leave your realm and join us !

Anyway, I'm almost sure that now they will nerf warmasters when syrtis will get many of them.

Warmasters are marketing stuff if you didn't see this...

LucianDeathshield

04-27-2011, 08:06 PM

Erm, I see so many DIFFERENT alsians complaining about this, so why dont all you alsians on the forums gather some kind of wargroup and do something? :P

PT_DaAr_PT

04-27-2011, 08:23 PM

Erm, I see so many DIFFERENT alsians complaining about this, so why dont all you alsians on the forums gather some kind of wargroup and do something? :P

They could but then they'd have no reason to complain anymore. Complaining is easier.

Anyway, I'm almost sure that now they will nerf warmasters when syrtis will get many of them.

Warmasters are marketing stuff if you didn't see this...

I don't know, ever since the conversation on FB chat, Luke, I can no longer trust liars like you.

Tigerious

04-27-2011, 08:41 PM

It's good to see how you take fast some good jokes that my friends doing ;p
I'm sorry for you, I'm not luke, no idea with who you chatted =)

Orimae

04-27-2011, 11:03 PM

20 ppl can do something. Maybe not stop an invasion but if you all go to one fort you could get some kills.

Indeed, and can also defend an invasion with less...Ignis had 13 players on roughy...not one warmaster...and today gelfs broke door twice, we still have gems :D (they may have been going for the General as a few gelfs have said..but twice we saw the gems move on map...) So it can be done...just gotta have the will and want to do it...

I have a solution for alsians, leave your realm and join us !

Anyway, I'm almost sure that now they will nerf warmasters when syrtis will get many of them.

Warmasters are marketing stuff if you didn't see this...

Meh, your wrong...they will nerf warmasters cos of Ignis....gelfs will whine like mad, like they did at the start of the invasions in the game and get it nerfed...cos we pro stacked xp bonus..lol

Llayne

04-28-2011, 05:40 AM

Why would enio be rallying alsius? He's a green now named roy harper.

Healerous

04-28-2011, 09:06 AM

its funny, how many ppl talking of alsius like they would know ANYTHING about that realm.
Alsians should gather a group instead of complaining - sure 10ppl can do alot! yaya. (dont say there are more ppl - i added every friggin low level at wz)

"Ignis can defend an invasion with 13ppl without any wm" <- what to say about this?
well 80+% of all wm's belong to ignis no big surprise u can hold off an invasion without any wm while others dont have any wm either.

@tigerous - most alsians cant join u - they already got ignis alts im pretty sure

p.s dont get me wrong im not complaining about any realm. Acutally its alsius own fault. we shouldnt even try to retake any fort during an invasion.
we should help em to get more wm's to imbalance the game as hard as possible.
its just NGD, who failed (once again) by going live with some update, which is miles away from being final!
NGD doesnt have to care since there are still enough ppl, who put their money into em.
we just can hope they dont fail with the balance update thing or wasting too much time with it. there are alot of pretty awesome games waiting for new players :>

Orimae

04-28-2011, 01:37 PM

"Ignis can defend an invasion with 13ppl without any wm" <- what to say about this?
well 80+% of all wm's belong to ignis no big surprise u can hold off an invasion without any wm while others dont have any wm either.

Actualy, just to clarify this, when the invasions came yesterday, we did indeed defend with 13 people..but not one single warmaster was on at the start, took an hour before any logged on and at end we only had two...the thing about the WM in Ignis..most of them are the 'Nightcrew' (TM) ...we did it on pure horse power xD ..and today, started with no WM again, when i logged off after 3rd gate break...Ignis had maybe 25 on...we were fighting 60+..goats and gelfs....we had only 3, maybe 4 warmasters...

Anpu

04-28-2011, 02:00 PM

Why would enio be rallying alsius? He's a green now named roy harper.
Rofl, thats not Enio :facepalm3:

Llayne

04-28-2011, 02:11 PM

Rofl, thats not Enio :facepalm3:

The people that had fonzy on their friends list disagree with you. ; )

bois

04-28-2011, 02:54 PM

Healerous

04-28-2011, 03:00 PM

@orimae we defended our castle too against ur "nightcrew" with at least 3 wm's.... my point is - u always have more wm's than others no matter what friggin timezone :P

and to the 25vs60 situation .. see how much difference the "ONLY" 3-4 wm's made(if there were really "60"+ *prolly just seen with ignis glasses)
in the end u just lost 1 gem - dunno how that could happen prolly the leak of coordination. it still doesnt change anything - no matter who is picking the gems at european midday/afternoon timezones. gems will be gone, when nightcrew is online :>

bois

04-28-2011, 03:14 PM

Healerous, I understand your frustration but surely some Alsarians got the noble and are a step closer to becoming warmasters.

I made some suggestions and I quote myself:

I am going to suggest something that may not find favour at all.
Once the population of warmasters tip so much that any one realm has a 60% share of them , there must be some form of counterbalance to it. The other realms gain a small bonus of warmaster coins from their quests to ramp up faster. This operates aside from the population calculations. This is to assist the reduction of the negative feedback loop.
Optionally, A side quest can be offered that pays 3000 wm coins for killing another NPC deep in enemy territory. This is only against the dominant realm and is only available when the balance tips over the critical point.
For server like NEMON, I suggest that there can be only two giants (TCBO1) active at a time. The option is greyed out after that.

In addition, there must be a reversal of the positive feedback loop. To this end I suggest that using 50% share, The realm that has this now suffers a reduction in the Nobles quest only. instead of 10.000 wm points, it is reduced to 5,000. If you go to 70% share, the Nobles become immune to damage outright or you lose the ability to get the quest. To boost your own players, you have no choice but to allow time to pass and hope the balance allows you to do the quests again.
The regular quests go on as normal.

That should help any imbalances. meanwhile, the game goes on. All I can say is do the best you can and try to grasp all opportunities that come along. Sure the night crew will come in but at least you can get some people in when we crack the Syrtis gate and get those people even closer to warmaster status. 4 Warmasters in alsius will make a world of difference. After that, it is just a glut. Many of us don't even use the powers (spam), strange as this may sound.

VandaMan

04-28-2011, 04:38 PM

Acutally its alsius own fault. we shouldnt even try to retake any fort during an invasion.
we should help em to get more wm's to imbalance the game as hard as possible.

I think it's this attitude that got Alsius to where it is today.

Gabburtjuh

04-29-2011, 06:40 AM

Even though we got a gem, and the invading brings is closer to getting WM's, the imbalance stays, no matter what we do during day, ignis will still be able to invade during the night, because they have atleast 90% of the WM's and around 60% of the total pop at that time, so unless we invade ignis(alsius alone during peaktime, right), and then syrtis, effort to get the gems is in vain anyway, even if we get both ignis gems when syrtis "helps", how do we get the syrtis gems, ignis helping us put those in danger? sure...

Healerous

04-29-2011, 07:19 AM

I think it's this attitude that got Alsius to where it is today. thats just my attitude these times on Horus - nothing to care about

i might be wrong, just imo its NGD and all the wtj's, who brought us there. not to mention the players they banned for doing unfinished game-content. :thumb_down: @NGD
another point is the invasion itself, u are totally right - game mechanics changed completely, since gate goes down that fast. but then im wondering why cityguards are no really help?
i mean even fort guards are more useful most of the time.
the game itself and the new mechanics need to be improved asap - or NGD should at least offer server transfer scrolls to let ppl enjoy the game on one of their other servers.

@Bois: yep, agree bois. those who are really going to make lvl60 should try to sneak in, when u get into syrtis. same the other way. though i dont know if 2-3 wm's will change a thing :/

Nekoko

04-30-2011, 11:13 PM

Alsius got a gem today. Their sustained effort combined with Syrtis made it happen. We had a few warmasters on (roughly 4) at the time but some tactics allowed partial victory.

If the Syrtis had a better tactic like Alsius did, they would have gotten the other gem as well. Luckily for us, Syrtis grabbed defeat from the jaws of victory.

All in all, it was a great effort by combatants of Ignis and shows that there are possibilities. If you don't try you will never know. You did , look what happened.
Congratulations to Alsius. Hope this is not a 1 off attempt.

Regards
Artec

I don't really feel like putting extra effort in while other realms get stuff handed to them on a silver platter. I'd advise anyone who wants to be successful in the game and is just starting to join ignis, it's the easy kill.

EDIT: On second thought I just wouldn't play for now you'll either get bored of everything being too easy or frustraited with everything being too hard.

Llayne

04-30-2011, 11:22 PM

I don't really feel like putting extra effort in ...

Spoken like a true Alsius player.

Nekoko

04-30-2011, 11:30 PM

Spoken like a true ...

Cause ignis players are like that.. See what I did there? Try the whole sentence next time.

VandaMan

04-30-2011, 11:30 PM

I don't really feel like putting extra effort in while other realms get stuff handed to them on a silver platter. I'd advise anyone who wants to be successful in the game and is just starting to join ignis, it's the easy kill.

Handed to them on a silver platter? "the easy kill?" You've got to be kidding me. Yes it's smooth sailing for Ignis right now, yes Alsius has some major issues... but to belittle the efforts of your competitors like that is just lame. As easy as invasions are now that Ignis has so many warmasters, it didn't get that way because NGD swooped in and handed out free warmaster coins and levels to all Ignis players. Ignis has failed more invasions in the history of Horus than both other realms combined have attempted. So yes, Ignis is dominating and it's not very fair to the other realms, and your situation sucks, and maybe something needs to be done to fix it--but there was no fucking silver platter. Complain about your problems all you like, fair enough, but don't disrespect your enemies for working hard to win.

Nekoko

04-30-2011, 11:32 PM

Handed to them on a silver platter? "the easy kill?" You've got to be kidding me. Yes it's smooth sailing for Ignis right now, yes Alsius has some major issues... but to belittle the efforts of your competitors like that is just lame. As easy as invasions are now that Ignis has so many warmasters, it didn't get that way because NGD swooped in and handed out free warmaster coins and levels to all Ignis players. Ignis has failed more invasions in the history of Horus than both other realms combined have attempted. So yes, Ignis is dominating and it's not very fair to the other realms, and your situation sucks, and maybe something needs to be done to fix it--but there was no fucking silver platter. Complain about your problems all you like, fair enough, but don't disrespect your enemies for working hard to win.

I'm sure ignis has had some great moments in the past but don't kid yourself you're in this position MOSTLY in part from numbers. Everyone knows that's how the game works period.

VandaMan

04-30-2011, 11:39 PM

I'm sure ignis has had some great moments in the past but don't kid yourself you're in this position MOSTLY in part from numbers. Everyone knows that's how the game works period.

I wasn't saying anything about Ignis numbers. Only that I find it distasteful of you to be so bitter over your own situation that you would denigrate the achievements of others. Numbers follow success and morale as much as success and morale follow numbers.

Nekoko

04-30-2011, 11:41 PM

I wasn't saying anything about Ignis numbers. Only that I find it distasteful of you to be so bitter over your own situation that you would denigrate the achievements of others. Numbers follow success and morale as much as success and morale follow numbers.

Yes cause I surely pointed out names and belittled people <insert sarcasm>, the fact of the matter is ignis is the easier realm to play at the moment, so realise that.

VandaMan

04-30-2011, 11:47 PM

Yes cause I surely pointed out names and belittled people <insert sarcasm>, the fact of the matter is ignis is the easier realm to play at the moment, so realise that.

I did not say you belittled people, only their successes and achievements. One needn't list every player in a realm to belittle the entire realm's achievements. You said the success of Ignis was handed to them on a silver platter. Perhaps English isn't your first language, but that's exactly what the word means:

be·lit·tle (b-ltl)
tr.v. be·lit·tled, be·lit·tling, be·lit·tles
1. To represent or speak of as contemptibly small or unimportant; disparage: a person who belittled our efforts to do the job right.

I do believe I said that things are easy for Ignis right now, please refer my original post. Also your sarcasm tag is in the wrong place, you should put it before the sarcastic remark, and then follow the remark with the closing tag.

Nekoko

04-30-2011, 11:51 PM

I did not say you belittled people, only their successes and achievements. One needn't list every player in a realm to belittle the entire realm's achievements. You said the success of Ignis was handed to them on a silver platter. Perhaps English isn't your first language, but that's exactly what the word means:

be·lit·tle (b-ltl)
tr.v. be·lit·tled, be·lit·tling, be·lit·tles
1. To represent or speak of as contemptibly small or unimportant; disparage: a person who belittled our efforts to do the job right.

I do believe I said that things are easy for Ignis right now, please refer my original post. Also your sarcasm tag is in the wrong place, you should put it before the sarcastic remark, and then follow the remark with the closing tag.

I'm sorry I didn't realise you made any achivements directly after my post, would you like to name them so you can be sure I didn't belittle them? Nice nit pick on the tag there. Oh and fyi WMs are being handed to you quite easily at the moment, maybe cause of how many people you have?

VandaMan

04-30-2011, 11:56 PM

I'm sorry I didn't realise you made any achivements directly after my post, would you like to name them so you can be sure I didn't belittle them? Nice nit pick on the tag there.

Who said anything about achievements after your post, How could you belittle an achievement before it happens? I honestly can't tell right now, are you just playing dumb? The recent success of Ignis is what you belittle by saying it was handed to them on a silver platter. I hope that makes sense, if not I'd recommend you look for an online English class. I hear they can be very helpful. As for the "nit pick," I felt it was important because you had inadvertently labeled the part that was intended to be serious as sarcasm, and it completely distorted the meaning of your post. Lucky thing I was sharp enough to catch it and point it out, or other readers may have thought the part about Ignis being the "easier realm" was sarcasm.

Nekoko

04-30-2011, 11:59 PM

Who said anything about achievements after your post, How could you belittle an achievement before it happens? I honestly can't tell right now, are you just playing dumb? The recent success of Ignis is what you belittle by saying it was handed to them on a silver platter. I hope that makes sense, if not I'd recommend you look for an online English class. I hear they can be very helpful. As for the "nit pick," I felt it was important because you had inadvertently labeled the part that was intended to be serious as sarcasm, and it completely distorted the meaning of your post. Lucky thing I was sharp enough to catch it and point it out, or other readers may have thought the part about Ignis being the "easier realm" was sarcasm.

I'm sorry you don't realise the post refers to ignis being the easist realm to play in at the moment and had nothing to do with how it got there. I thought I'd spell it out of you this time. I'm glad you're so sharp too should I dot my i's next time?

VandaMan

05-01-2011, 12:03 AM

I'm sorry you don't realise the post refers to ignis being the easist realm to play in at the moment and had nothing to do with how it got there

Really? Because...

handed to them on a silver platter

seems to state pretty explicitly how you think Ignis "got there."

Nekoko

05-01-2011, 12:06 AM

Really? Because...

seems to state pretty explicitly how you think Ignis "got there."

Present context Vanda... Last post cause I really can't be bothered keeping this up.

EDIT: Whatever Vanda whatever...

VandaMan

05-01-2011, 12:12 AM

Present context Vanda... Last post cause I really can't be bothered keeping this up.

Present context? It's just the two of us posting, the entire conversation is about your first post--where you said Ignis' success was handed to them atop a silver platter--and this is all one context. I'm glad it's your last post. Now that you're done writing you should read some of mine.

Edit: How is editing your post to reply any different than continuing to post?

bois

05-01-2011, 02:21 AM

Hopefully I hope you both can stop it now.

Nekoko is free to express a position as much as I am free to disagree with the position.

If you want to succeed you should put extra effort especially when your realm is down. This is precisely what Ignis did to get back from our fracturing and consequent decline. It did not happen overnight. In fact it took about a year. Nothing anyone says can take that from us.

As for the silver platter thing. Most Ignis know how hard we worked to get back on top. We know what we did and I do not feel belittled by the comment at all. It is so far from the truth it could actually be dismissed as innuendo.
Indeed , this position and posture is exactly why Alsius finds itself in difficulty and will find difficulty extricating itself from there. It will eventually prosper I am sure but it may require a change in personnel with differing outlook. I can see this happening slowly and is showing positive signs already.

Both Alsius and Syrtis day crew are putting Ignis under pressure as they should and putting up very good resistance against the night crew. This is positive. Despite the nay sayers, I see newer players stepping up and being counted. This is the way forward. Ignore your naysayers in your realm and press forward.

Regards

Orimae

05-01-2011, 06:31 AM

I'm sorry..i was kinda seeing your point of view till this...

the fact of the matter is ignis is the easier realm to play at the moment, so realise that.

Thats not true..ignis alsuis..ignis alsuis...remember that other realm? Please do not think that daytime Europeans have it easy.. most of the time i am one of a very few conjus you see during the day,( Ignis= 1, maybe 2 conjus, 9 or 10 other classes...Syrtis= zerg..) which is fun and frustrating at the same time, so please..not all Ignis has it easy ....

_Nel_

05-01-2011, 06:51 AM

not all Ignis has it easy ....

It's nothing compared to Alsius and Syrtis night crews. Each day, same day.

03:00 GMT - Noble and WM quests get reseted
03:03 GMT - Invasions have begun
07:00 GMT - Raping contest finally ends

Results: 10k wm coins + dragon wish to each Ignis.
One or more ragequit in Alsius and Syrtis night crew.

EDIT:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aN5V-LRRRQ8

Pnarpa

05-01-2011, 07:16 AM

Wow, I never thought it was this bad. :D

bois

05-01-2011, 12:41 PM

The youtube vid is roughly accurate.

I already expressed my opinions on how this should be addressed. The video clearly shows that the AI needs fixing. As was mentioned in another thread, some of the guards should be inside.
As mentioned before, the gate should be a little stronger.
As mentioned before, a realm with 70% share of server Warmasters lose generals quest. At 60 % they only gain 5000 coins.
As mentioned before, Deficient realms yield bonus WM coins for daily quests + the generals one.
As mentioned before, give deficient realms an optional side quest against the dominant realm that gives 3000WM coins for killing another NPC.

The problem of dominance of night crew is not new, In fact it existed since the inception of Invasions. The fact is simply that the other two realms have never been able to attract players in those time slots. Only NGD knows why.

Ignis day crew has never been incredibly strong. The fact is that some of our night crew pop in to help now and then (good social networking) and success attracts players. So the daytime stabilizes. The forum is loaded with negativity from the others so why would anyone want to go there?

Even Ignis in the worst days with all the negativity swirling on the forums and in-game managed to claw our way back. Why can't you all? Maybe if you put up, shut up and stay off the forums unless you have something constructive to add and redouble efforts to boost your realm, take leadership roles and push a relentless positive head, something might happen. It might be asking too much. Crying on the forums and begging daddy NGD to throw you a bone is much , much easier. How much do you want your realm to recover? Or should NGD spoon feed you all the tools required? NGD made mistakes, they have their responsibility, but so does the player base. Man up.

Maybe NGD should just shut down the server at 02:00GMT to 08:00GMT
That would solve everything.

Gabburtjuh

05-01-2011, 03:23 PM

Even Ignis in the worst days with all the negativity swirling on the forums and in-game managed to claw our way back. Why can't you all? Maybe if you put up, shut up and stay off the forums unless you have something constructive to add and redouble efforts to boost your realm, take leadership roles and push a relentless positive head, something might happen. It might be asking too much. Crying on the forums and begging daddy NGD to throw you a bone is much , much easier. How much do you want your realm to recover? Or should NGD spoon feed you all the tools required? NGD made mistakes, they have their responsibility, but so does the player base. Man up.

Maybe NGD should just shut down the server at 02:00GMT to 08:00GMT
That would solve everything.

See, most of the time I agree with you artec, but this is a point that bothers me, to be able to play a game, without being heavily disadvantaged, you should not have to create a huge network outside the game, stay up till way beyond a point that's healthy or force people to listen to certain players.

Although the first 2 points are most important, the last point is a very critical point for alsius, simply because this will not work for us, you can say whatever you want, but we simply can't force our realmmates to listen, we've had small very organized groups, but point is, look at alsius, the clans for example, we don't have huge clans with high lvl players, most of alsius clans are: players from thesame country, RL friends/family or very tight groups of friends, so you get alot of small, seperated islands in a realm, and every attempt of trying to connect those has failed so far.

And on the timezone imbalance, this can't really be helped I think, the only thing that NGD could do is make it harder to invade etc at such times.

lunedor

05-01-2011, 03:32 PM

The fact is simply that the other two realms have never been able to attract players in those time slots. Only NGD knows why.

Perhaps ignis have an attract night player tool :play_ball:.

In the reality, and since this server exists, syrtis has more people during european activity times (07 am to 12 pm), and farms other realms .

Ignis has the 2nd active population but can have a revenge when syrtis people are sleeping, and it's not only a problem of timezone because I see in videos some people that should be sleeping when these invasions happens. So it's just that they stay awaken to get their revenge from european day time.

Alsius has less population, and has no solution to have any revenge of any kind.

any other ideas about organisation, teamplay, attractivity... are pure imagination. :angel2:

_Nel_

05-01-2011, 03:50 PM

The problem of dominance of night crew is not new, In fact it existed since the inception of Invasions. The fact is simply that the other two realms have never been able to attract players in those time slots. Only NGD knows why.

I know why. You only have to invert the causal relationship between the 2 sentences.

That gives:
The other two realms have never been able to attract players in those time slots, because the problem of dominance of night crew is not new, In fact it existed since the inception of Invasions.

Most of our night crew players, those ones who play for a long time, already have some chars in Ignis. The others are just new comers, have quit or totally switched to Ignis.

It probably happens the same thing for day crew, but I'm biased since I play on the zerg side and I am not able to notice those things.

Concerning responsibility, it has always been easy to blame the weakest, the ones who suffer from the situation. The fact is NGD made a very big mistake in designing this game (someone rightly mentioned a too strong Positive feedback (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_feedback) as being the real issue). They even worsen the situation with warmasters expansion. No one else must be blame for that, only NGD leads this game and can improve the situation. Players already made too much effort.

Orimae

05-01-2011, 04:07 PM

It's nothing compared to Alsius and Syrtis night crews. Each day, same day.

03:00 GMT - Noble and WM quests get reseted
03:03 GMT - Invasions have begun
07:00 GMT - Raping contest finally ends

Results: 10k wm coins + dragon wish to each Ignis.
One or more ragequit in Alsius and Syrtis night crew.

Then this happens:

09:00 GMT - too early for hoovering..maybe an hour of regnum...
09:05 GMT - Logged onto lowbie to grind a little
09:06 GMT - Syrtis and Alsuis dayshift logs on..see's Ignis nightcrew have invaded again...
09:15 GMT - All Ignis forts captured..better switch to my conju then i guess...

(shit loads of running, banners , chaos, death x 30 if your lucky, gelfs+goats, gate destroyed twice)

12:00 GMT - crap..i really should start the housework.../list...crap 17 users :/
15:00 GMT - Eventual zerg comes to each fort we camp, still in danger, death x 50 , rage quit. eat before fainting, do housework XD

Result : .......same time tomorrow then?

I personaly have scored 0 wm points from invading and killing generals yet...lol ( I R noob :P )

_Nel_

05-01-2011, 04:28 PM

Orimae, the difference is today was an invasion planned weeks ago. It's not a daily one. There is no comparison, everyone woke up specially to take part in it.

If you want some wm coins, you should go to sleep earlier and so, wake up earlier to take part into the nightly raping contest.

bois

05-01-2011, 04:48 PM

Well Gabburtjuh, I think your post is constructive and instructive.

I hope you can forgive me for being very biased and only able to see things from the Ignean experience. I have seen quite a lot over the time I have been here but I must accept that Ignis is not Alsius. That is the part of the equation that was missing for me. I concede it.

Everything that you say is difficult for Alsius is literally how we play in Ignis. That is the truth. A lot of us are fanatics and stay up waaay past healthy hours, we network outside the game, we have strongly defined hierarchy, and we define before actions who is running what, assemble assault teams compatible players styles etc. Ignis is a war machine. This is the root of the success. The fact that we have numbers makes this exponentially worse.
If Alsius is generally more light hearted and operate in independent cliques then it will indeed be difficult.

The timezone balance is a tough thing. The server polling interval to assign system help may need to be adjusted to trend lines in ebb and flow of populations.

Unfortunately as Karl rightly wrote, positive feedback is indeed too strong. Warmasters made this problem especially glaring now that there are other objectives other than gems . Objectives which feed into the positive feedback loop and make it indeed worse. Objectives that do not expire. I have seen the gradual population shift as you say Nel and precisely what you described will gain momentum . The eventual result will be total polarisation of 2 sides to time zone dominance with the 3rd realm becoming the whipping boy of the 2. Some will say we are already there.

I don't disagree with the sentiments you both gave but my thought was to give it the best and hardest try you can. If you did so and you are confident that there is not a prayer of hope for the situation to be reversed then I will concede that you did all you could. In the end the situation will become one that will require NGD to make a drastic intervention. It will be boring for the winners, boring for the losers.
In Ignis chat I see this attitude starting to creep in already.
For me, the warmasters expansion is over, it is stale. I seek a warmaster weapon (souvenir) and then I could see myself logging in a lot less. The warmasters expansion was an event like Halloween. it was not an expansion.
Like Gabburtjuh said, they should have brought the new forts and Castles first.

I think this will be my last entry in this thread.

Cheers.

Southbound

05-01-2011, 04:56 PM

If you want some wm coins, you should go to sleep earlier and so, wake up earlier to take part into the nightly raping contest.

Oh? Is this all we have to do? Then what stops the europeen Syrtis players from doing the exact same thing, and stop the Ignean rape???

Maybe they got jobs/school/*insert any type of activaty usually performed in daylight*
Guess what, so do Europeen Igneans. Or is that different?

_Nel_

05-01-2011, 05:42 PM

@ Southbound

Unlike Orimae, what I will earn if I do it? wm coins? rp? xp? gears?

Orimae can earn wm coins, rp, xp and it's only an individual choice, that will not implicate anyone else, only her. She can do it or not, every day or not. There are invasions everyday with or without her.

On my side, I must gather everyday lots of people from day crew to prevent those nightly invasions.
I already tried to prevent those invasions alone, I saw I was not able to do it, so I made this video to show to our day crew what really happens every night, and maybe gather more forces. But you know, that's just a game, and people won't make any effort if there is nothing to earn. So, 1 or 2, maybe 3 players joined us, and only once since that's not worth the effort at all, too much time and stress for nothing.

fluffy_muffin

05-01-2011, 06:54 PM

Oh? Is this all we have to do? Then what stops the europeen Syrtis players from doing the exact same thing, and stop the Ignean rape???

Maybe they got jobs/school/*insert any type of activaty usually performed in daylight*
Guess what, so do Europeen Igneans. Or is that different?

Some of us here are working from time to time :P
Like me for 8-11h per day. So my chance for invasion is not high at all ^^
I don't mind cause when i started all fun we had was nice war at fort and it looks like i am not gona level higher then 52 :P
So can we stop this slapping forum-game and play a bit in RO? ^^

Southbound

05-01-2011, 07:20 PM

Some of us here are working from time to time :P
Like me for 8-11h per day. So my chance for invasion is not high at all ^^

This was exactly my point too fluffy_muffin :)
I play europeen time in Ignis. I spend most (<----note) of my waring time running in between Samal/Meni/Shaan.

What made me comment on _Nel_:s post was "how easy" he made it sound to Orimae:
"Hey, just stay up, no problem"

And if thats the case, why wouldnt the same go for europeen Syrtis?

MalaTempora

05-02-2011, 11:51 AM

See, most of the time I agree with you artec,

[...]

Although the first 2 points are most important, the last point is a very critical point for alsius, simply because this will not work for us, you can say whatever you want, but we simply can't force our realmmates to listen, we've had small very organized groups, but point is, look at alsius, the clans for example, we don't have huge clans with high lvl players, most of alsius clans are: players from thesame country, RL friends/family or very tight groups of friends, so you get alot of small, seperated islands in a realm, and every attempt of trying to connect those has failed so far.

And on the timezone imbalance, this can't really be helped I think, the only thing that NGD could do is make it harder to invade etc at such times.

This attract me, i don't play more in RO, but i've still a Teamspeak 3 server
active and some of my guildmate use it for coordinating purpose..

If you (alsius) wont be able to raise a teamspeak server and wanna try it
pm me and i'll create a private channel for you to help you in coordinating
defense/offense..

Consider this like a friendly act, nothing more (cause i dont play atm and
if i would play i'm on ignis side) afterall you all spare my fun when i play.

Gabburtjuh

05-02-2011, 01:24 PM

There are mumbles for alsius clans/the whole realm, but as long as we can get max 8 ppl in there at prime time, and nobody ingame listens to these 8 that are coordinated, it doesn't work, and that was the point

mr_scsi

05-02-2011, 02:25 PM

......every attempt of trying to connect those has failed so far.

I read this and it actually reminded me of ignis about a year ago. The realm was soooo badly fractured that nothing seemed to work. Get this, we even organized a realm wide 'meeting' to try and air differences and meet on common ground to repair the realm. What an epic fail that was.... But some good came of it and some rival clans began to set aside differences and try to help 'the good of the realm', and about a year later, it seems to be working well.

I'm not gonna say its all a big love fest, this is ignis after all, but we generally all get on better.
HOW?? The biggest impact I believe is the new players.... We made a concerted effort to HELP THEM LVL and get to the wz. That action kinda snowballed and spawned many new fairly strong clans that made it to the wz. I think from there it may have weeded out some of the more selfish older players because they didn't follow their orders any more, but fought for the realm.

Without giving away our secrets, I'll toss you this one bone and maybe it will help everyone think about how they play/treat other players.

Q) When is the last time you purposely went to the noob zone to help a noob?

A) For me, it was last night, I rode there to give some players gold. It does me little good and helps them with better gear and they remember me for it. I gave 100k gold/each to 3 lvl 5's. They may or may not ever make it to the wz, but hopefully they have some fun while they are here.

_Seinvan

05-02-2011, 08:29 PM

I always try to help out anyone in the inner realm whenever I'm there (usually on my knight or hunter :p)

Btw, the last time I was in the public Alsius mumble, it was being used as a Forsaken World mumble.. so.. yeah.. I stopped going there xD

nisse

05-03-2011, 07:47 AM

I'm frankly surprised to see so many people complain about Ignis having so many warmasters (from a teleport perspective at least). You should be celebrating. Sure at first it was a huge advantage, but now there are so many of the damn portals popping up that they split our forces up horribly.

Just yesterday I saw this happening:

We were trying to get shaan back, so first 10 people teleport there, get killed by being outnumbered instead of waiting for reinforcements, then the same thing happens again with the reinforcements, and then the horse riding reinforcements get killed since the teleporters had all died. Instead of just going as one big force that would have had a chance.

This one was my favorite: We had just taken sam back after a long and bloody fight, so people are out at the gate thinking of where to go next. 3 warmasters there, they open up one portal to Alsius, one to meni and one to god knows where. Before anyone had gone through the portals we get warning that syrtis is coming back and is grouping up for a new attack. But despite the cries of "stay and defend" all the portal junkies jump away and the few that remain to defend get killed in a fight we would have won otherwise and all our forts are taken again. :clapclap:

People are drawn to those damn portals like moths to fire and jump through without thinking. I have plenty of stories like this.

Ooo, how about the time when we are clearly more than 10, 2 warmasters at the spot, one makes a portal and the other warmaster jumps through with them instead of making one of his own. They get killed quick, then we die too.
Or when we were going to Agg, 10 teleport, rest ride, we riders get there just in time to see the teleporters get killed. Or when we were holding agg and some wm says that we have lost, makes a portal, 10 people go and the rest of us get easily zerged.

and on and on :facepalm3:

It is quite funny though and I am not saying there are not plenty of positives too. But right now it is quite a mess until people have learned how to properly use them. This is definitely a player issue, people need to learn to ignore teleports, maybe some basic math lessons, wm's need to learn to communicate better etc. But right now I don't know if it is that big of an advantage to Ignis. So learn from our mistakes i guess :)

Llayne

05-03-2011, 08:00 AM

I once opened a portal to meni from samal for no reason and watched 10 people jump through it. lols ensued.

Kittypretty

05-04-2011, 04:46 AM

doesn't matter if they split up during certain time zones though..since there is no real risk (unless you cant handle AI guards) because either alsius/syrtis players are not on or horribly outnumbered.
During equal (roughly) opponents during active hours for each, sure it can be a detriment to do a stupid teleport or fail at a tactic whatever the reason, but thats just trying to derail the main concern which is the time zone issues and balancing of player base per realm and imbalance caused by WM charms, also somewhat as well a general class specific OP'ness with certain skills against other classes that need to be addressed.

I don't know how to even fix or even offer any solution so i won't even try, just Its not very good for morale that NGD doesn't communicate to us, what they think of the situation/if they have plans to address what we players may consider flaws in the game..or if they'll tell us deal with it..but silence is worse than either of that, it just makes people quit out of frustration.

it is a nightly thing now, and considered normal to log on and see this..thats the crazy part, to just expect it as "this is how regnum is now" and I don't want to think like that.

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk266/simmyleie/screenshot2011-05-0321_20_42.jpg

tjanex

05-04-2011, 10:22 AM

Well now with the server Raven they try to get the ''night crew'' away I think (I'm not sure though) so I think that's the way NGD wants to try to solve this but the remaining night crew will stay so I don't think this will have effect now.

w_larsen

05-04-2011, 12:16 PM

sorry for digging up old quote, but i cant resist :D

.. we have strongly defined hierarchy, and we define before actions who is running what, assemble assault teams compatible players styles etc. Ignis is a war machine.

and thats why some igneans escaped the inrealm dramaqueenery and struggle for power and migrated to alsius. now, that you have it all done, you probably have less drama, but rest asured the struggle of power for igneans wasn't easy. :D

/not a very serious post.
//sign your red karma, thansk in advance

bois

05-04-2011, 01:06 PM

Popping back in since you quoted me.

I would not give that post any red karma. Indeed, this is just a game and if the militant philosophy does not suit you, by all means you should seek something more compatible to your style. I agree Ignis was harsh in those days. Indeed, you had to have balls of steel to play there and hang on till 50. Realm chat was a warzone in itself.

Any thing taken to excess is detrimental. Ignis became too militant and harsh and suffered the consequences of that (elitism, insularity, etc). It led to a fracturing and a rebuilding of something that was a bit better. Ignis is not even close to being as insular and elitist as it was. We had a culture shift towards moderation. We still kept the parts that worked in war though.

Apathy to excess will also be detrimental. In time a correction will occur too.

Regards

TomLukman

05-10-2011, 07:48 AM

Kitty's screenshot says it all.

The problem on Horus is that Ignis have active players all day unlike Alsius and Syrtis who are most active during European afternoon/evenings. Ignis also has most players online at that time.

Like it or not, the problem is obvious. Ignis can gather WM coins a lot faster due to 10000 WC quests and they can (and do) gather gems easily which, among other things, they use to make other realms stupid (negative experience while grinding).

Players from Syrtis and Alsius get demoralized and stop playing, or don't level up their characters. New players get tired of -exp and leave the game, or switch to Ignis.

All of the above will eventually lead to Ignis becoming a totally dominating realm compared to others. While it may sound like a nice thought to Ignis, I'm afraid they will end up playing Regnum alone. Where's the fun in that?

I don't plan on giving up, but if I'm left with only a handful of realm mates who constantly have to fight an obviously dominating realm - again, where's the fun in that?

Also, someone mentioned Alsius and Syrtis don't try invading ignis. That is not true. The problem is that all realms have many players during active hours, and even combined Alsius + Syrtis have a hard time to invade Ignis. If each realm had a hard time invading 24 hours a day, we wouldn't be having this thread. Sadly, only Ignis has 24 hour active players (most of the time anyway).

Unfortunately, there's little we (players) can do about this. The only long time solution I see is that NGD finds a way to populate all realms to a decent amount of players from all over the globe, so all realms are constantly active and no realm can dominate others. NGD - please help bringing fun back to Horus. Thanks!

NotScias

05-10-2011, 10:33 AM

One solution to rebalance Ignis : DB has to come back :(

Orimae

05-10-2011, 01:55 PM

doesn't matter if they split up during certain time zones though..either alsius/syrtis players are not on or horribly outnumbered.

it is a nightly thing now, and considered normal to log on and see this..thats the crazy part, to just expect it as "this is how regnum is now" and I don't want to think like that.

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk266/simmyleie/screenshot2011-05-0321_20_42.jpg

And this is what we get daily too once the Ignis Nightcrew (tm) logs off...

http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/3841/map1u.jpg

This was today at roughly 12:00 GMT today.
11 users online...gate down...Ignis screwed xD
So please don't think that all Ignis on Horus have it easy..we are in danger practically all day...(not complaining, just saying how it is fron other side of Ignis.. )

TomLukman

05-10-2011, 06:34 PM

And this is what we get daily too once the Ignis Nightcrew (tm) logs off...

True, but you don't get it every night and I don't see all forts painted green!

Orimae

05-10-2011, 06:46 PM

True, but you don't get it every night and I don't see all forts painted green!

That maybe true, not all is green, but all day, we are constantly under attack by both Alsuis and Syrtis working together. just like when Syrtis go for Alsuis, Ignis is somewhere around, but almost all day (europe daytime) Ignis are on the backfoot defending attacks from two realms at once.

_Nel_

05-10-2011, 07:50 PM

Orimae, you reap what your nightcrew sows for a too long time now.

Don't pretend you're not aware that they reduced Alsius and Syrtis nightcrews to nothingness.

tjanex

05-11-2011, 05:27 AM

You can't denie we get invaded every day and you get maybe invaded 4 times in a week... Today we get invaded again in the middle of the week lol you guys don't go to work/school?

Orimae

05-11-2011, 09:45 AM

Orimae, you reap what your nightcrew sows for a too long time now.

Don't pretend you're not aware that they reduced Alsius and Syrtis nightcrews to nothingness.

I never did pretend or even imply that i don't know how badly the Ignis Nightcrew (tm) has demoralised the nightcrew in other realms, i am actually trying to point out that the actions of the nightcrew are affecting the daycrew in Ignis, and not in a good way....(shoe on other foot type of scenario)

Aye i am totaly proud that they can do this, wish i had the ability to stay up late like i used to and do an invasion like the old days, but i can't and won't lol , also, you can't really blame Ignis for dishing out neg xp...since NGD made it you have to pick different options for each consecutive invasion...thats NGD's fault, i hate the neg xp wish, was fun maybe a few times when invasions first started..but now, they really have to change that wish, i do feel bad when another realm is punnished, its not cool...

Ignis do well at night, earning the whole realm these lovely bonuses, but the big downside is...when they log off, and we all start to log on (europeans and the other usual dayshift crew ) , we don't get much of a chance at all to even try grind, all we do is run here , there and everywhere trying to stop the other realms invading us and terrorising the new players in realm.

Here is our dilema in pictures!!

This is Ignis daily during European daytime:

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/7366/screenshot2011042815012.jpg

http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/3347/screenshot2011050111000.jpg

http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/5369/screenshot2011050212591.jpg

And as you will now see, its both realms we are fighting off...which is fair enough, need both realms numbers mostly to put Ignis in danger...but it is a daily thing, and not just once, its like the whole day , gate is usualy destroyed at least twice lol

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/9895/screenshot2011041317022.jpg

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/2981/screenshot2011041317033.jpg

http://img804.imageshack.us/img804/1542/screenshot2011041317212.jpg

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/663/screenshot2011041318162.jpg

So to clarify, i am well aware of what happens during my nightime to the other realms, its maybe the reason for the whole new Raven server, to aleviate the pressure on Alsuis and Syrtis during these peak U.S times, but please do not think that its just one realm that has a hard time, we all do at some point during the day...is all im trying to say :) But like you said Nel, we are reaping what we sowed, fair enough, Ignis will still try it's level best no matter how low our numbers, and the next day, we come back and do it all again, and the next day....remember , most of the Ignis warmasters are nightcrew...trying to outrun the dayshift warmasters on horse can be very frustrating....but we do it, warmasters around or not.

oh and also...

You can't denie we get invaded every day and you get maybe invaded 4 times in a week...

Dude... yes you guys get invaded everynite, but also Ignis gets its door broken daily ...usualy more than once...really, if you can , check the warstatus map a little more often, well, when it works ..lol , if our gate wasnt broken daily, where did all the warmasters in Syrtis and Alsuis come from so fast if only Ignis get to do the noble quest?

Gabburtjuh

05-11-2011, 10:26 AM

NotScias

05-11-2011, 10:57 AM

And as you will now see, its both realms we are fighting off...which is fair enough, need both realms numbers mostly to put Ignis in danger...

I wonder if it's not because of Ignis chaining -RLM (bugged) maluses on the two other realms since weeks...

Another problem is, when your nightcrew logs off, it's working/school time for most of Europeans, while your nightcrew is free since it operates in evening/early night, thus explaining why Syrtis and Alsius have to "cooperate" to have enough numbers to barely invade Ignis. (and with much less efficiency)

We simply cannot strike back unless on weekends maybe...

Anyways, it's not like I cared of this invasion shit.

Zas_

05-11-2011, 10:58 AM

biggest difference is that alsius still only has 3 WMs, syrtis maybe 10, and that alsius and syrtis can only break the ignis door by working togheter, while ignis invades both realms twice a night, with every lvl 60 there being WM, they can acctually afford to just do the general once and then invade again for the gems, even both realms at thesame time, this doesn't take away that the ignis daycrew gets screwed, but hey, alsius and syrtis have to do something to right? ...

This is the result of huge timezone imbalance + new invasion rules + new noble quests.... NGD have to think twice or more before doing anything....
Now they'll try (or not) to fix it, spending time on that instead of anything else, etc...

From my point of view, simple, i don't care. Night invasions, realm bonus/malus, warmasters, all this is a non-sense and don't serve the game.

_Nel_

05-11-2011, 11:45 AM

Orimae, when I say reduced to nothingness, this is REDUCED TO NOTHINGNESS.

Your whine won't change anything.

You Ignis as a realm decided to invade both other realms every night.
You Ignis as a realm chose to give to Alsius and to Syrtis -xp each time You Ignis as a realm can.
You Ignis as a realm benefit from this situation.

With your day crew, you're still able to get some forts, to prevent your gems to get stealed.

Here are ALL dragon wishes since the 1st realease of Warmasters Expansion on 2011-02-21:

2011-03-15 04:33:49 GMT -> alsius reclaimed alsius gem
2011-03-15 04:33:49 GMT -> alsius reclaimed alsius gem
2011-03-15 04:33:49 GMT -> syrtis reclaimed syrtis gem
2011-03-15 04:33:49 GMT -> syrtis reclaimed syrtis gem

2011-03-15 07:11:49 GMT -> alsius reclaimed alsius gem
2011-03-15 07:11:49 GMT -> alsius reclaimed alsius gem
2011-03-15 07:11:49 GMT -> syrtis reclaimed syrtis gem
2011-03-15 07:11:49 GMT -> syrtis reclaimed syrtis gem

2011-03-20 05:27:49 GMT -> alsius reclaimed alsius gem
2011-03-20 05:27:49 GMT -> alsius reclaimed alsius gem
2011-03-20 05:27:49 GMT -> syrtis reclaimed syrtis gem
2011-03-20 05:27:49 GMT -> syrtis reclaimed syrtis gem

2011-04-16 05:32:48 GMT -> alsius reclaimed alsius gem
2011-04-16 05:32:48 GMT -> alsius reclaimed alsius gem
2011-04-16 05:32:48 GMT -> syrtis reclaimed syrtis gem
2011-04-16 05:32:48 GMT -> syrtis reclaimed syrtis gem

2011-04-21 06:08:49 GMT -> alsius reclaimed alsius gem
2011-04-21 06:08:49 GMT -> alsius reclaimed alsius gem
2011-04-21 06:08:49 GMT -> syrtis reclaimed syrtis gem
2011-04-21 06:08:49 GMT -> syrtis reclaimed syrtis gem

2011-04-22 05:05:51 GMT -> alsius reclaimed alsius gem
2011-04-22 05:05:51 GMT -> alsius reclaimed alsius gem
2011-04-22 05:05:51 GMT -> syrtis reclaimed syrtis gem
2011-04-22 05:05:51 GMT -> syrtis reclaimed syrtis gem

2011-04-23 06:16:49 GMT -> alsius reclaimed alsius gem
2011-04-23 06:16:49 GMT -> alsius reclaimed alsius gem
2011-04-23 06:16:49 GMT -> syrtis reclaimed syrtis gem
2011-04-23 06:16:49 GMT -> syrtis reclaimed syrtis gem

2011-04-24 06:47:53 GMT -> alsius reclaimed alsius gem
2011-04-24 06:47:53 GMT -> alsius reclaimed alsius gem
2011-04-24 06:47:53 GMT -> syrtis reclaimed syrtis gem
2011-04-24 06:47:53 GMT -> syrtis reclaimed syrtis gem

2011-04-26 04:01:48 GMT -> alsius reclaimed alsius gem
2011-04-26 04:01:48 GMT -> alsius reclaimed alsius gem
2011-04-26 04:01:48 GMT -> syrtis reclaimed syrtis gem
2011-04-26 04:01:48 GMT -> syrtis reclaimed syrtis gem

2011-04-28 05:08:49 GMT -> alsius reclaimed alsius gem
2011-04-28 05:08:49 GMT -> alsius reclaimed alsius gem
2011-04-28 05:08:49 GMT -> syrtis reclaimed syrtis gem
2011-04-28 05:08:49 GMT -> syrtis reclaimed syrtis gem

2011-04-30 05:44:50 GMT -> alsius reclaimed alsius gem
2011-04-30 05:44:50 GMT -> alsius reclaimed alsius gem
2011-04-30 05:44:49 GMT -> syrtis reclaimed syrtis gem
2011-04-30 05:44:49 GMT -> syrtis reclaimed syrtis gem

2011-05-02 06:14:52 GMT -> alsius reclaimed alsius gem
2011-05-02 06:14:52 GMT -> alsius reclaimed alsius gem
2011-05-02 06:14:52 GMT -> syrtis reclaimed syrtis gem
2011-05-02 06:14:52 GMT -> syrtis reclaimed syrtis gem

2011-05-03 04:47:51 GMT -> alsius reclaimed alsius gem
2011-05-03 04:47:51 GMT -> alsius reclaimed alsius gem
2011-05-03 04:47:51 GMT -> syrtis reclaimed syrtis gem
2011-05-03 04:47:51 GMT -> syrtis reclaimed syrtis gem

2011-05-04 05:12:49 GMT -> alsius reclaimed alsius gem
2011-05-04 05:12:49 GMT -> alsius reclaimed alsius gem
2011-05-04 05:12:49 GMT -> syrtis reclaimed syrtis gem
2011-05-04 05:12:49 GMT -> syrtis reclaimed syrtis gem

2011-05-05 05:49:50 GMT -> alsius reclaimed alsius gem
2011-05-05 05:49:50 GMT -> alsius reclaimed alsius gem
2011-05-05 05:49:50 GMT -> syrtis reclaimed syrtis gem
2011-05-05 05:49:50 GMT -> syrtis reclaimed syrtis gem

2011-05-06 05:54:49 GMT -> alsius reclaimed alsius gem
2011-05-06 05:54:49 GMT -> alsius reclaimed alsius gem
2011-05-06 05:54:49 GMT -> syrtis reclaimed syrtis gem
2011-05-06 05:54:49 GMT -> syrtis reclaimed syrtis gem

2011-05-09 04:27:49 GMT -> alsius reclaimed alsius gem
2011-05-09 04:27:49 GMT -> alsius reclaimed alsius gem
2011-05-09 04:27:49 GMT -> syrtis reclaimed syrtis gem
2011-05-09 04:27:49 GMT -> syrtis reclaimed syrtis gem

2011-05-10 04:53:48 GMT -> alsius reclaimed alsius gem
2011-05-10 04:53:48 GMT -> alsius reclaimed alsius gem
2011-05-10 04:53:48 GMT -> syrtis reclaimed syrtis gem
2011-05-10 04:53:48 GMT -> syrtis reclaimed syrtis gem

Everything can get checked on http://rostatus.heroku.com/timeline/horus

When 2 realms reclaim all their gems at the same second, that means this is a dragon wish and so, those days are successful invasions with gems stealed to both Syrtis and Alsius realms in the same time.

- 2011-03-15 04:33:49 GMT
- 2011-03-15 07:11:49 GMT
- 2011-03-20 05:27:49 GMT
- 2011-04-16 05:32:48 GMT
- 2011-04-21 06:08:49 GMT
- 2011-04-22 05:05:51 GMT
- 2011-04-23 06:16:49 GMT
- 2011-04-24 06:47:53 GMT
- 2011-04-26 04:01:48 GMT
- 2011-04-28 05:08:49 GMT
- 2011-04-30 05:44:50 GMT
- 2011-05-02 06:14:52 GMT
- 2011-05-03 04:47:51 GMT
- 2011-05-04 05:12:49 GMT
- 2011-05-05 05:49:50 GMT
- 2011-05-06 05:54:49 GMT
- 2011-05-09 04:27:49 GMT
- 2011-05-10 04:53:48 GMT

Look, only Ignis successed to gather all gems since WM expansion. You can see at which hour it happens each time.

I might make a script to show you when a realm are invaded, but that will take me too much time to prove the obviousness that Ignis breaks Alsius AND Syrtis Gate once, twice or three times per night.

At last, this is the stats of "Fort Captures by Hour - Last 30 Days (GMT)" for today.

http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/6351/34409308.png (http://img850.imageshack.us/i/34409308.png/)

Your griding issue can be solved as some of our night crew are currently doing:
"Bah, they succeed to invade every night, kill our noble, steal all gems, even if we all try to stop them. I'll keep grinding."

So to clarify, i am well aware of what happens during my nightime to the other realms
With your kind of post, I can assure you, you are not.

Pimousse

05-11-2011, 12:18 PM

With your kind of post, I can assure you, you are not.

Deaf answer ... As "Ignis day crew", we are aware, i can assure you :P

Edit : Oh our gate is almost vulnerable, i'm going to login ^_^

_Nel_

05-11-2011, 01:32 PM

Pimousse dont be silly. :facepalm3:

Your Ignis night crew has always farmed and invaded both Syrtis and Alsius for ages.
This has prevented Alsius and Syrtis night crews to gather the critical amount of players to get 3 balanced realms.

For 4 weeks, your SINGLE Ignis night crew invades BOTH realms every night WITHOUT any resistance, taking advantage of the insane amount of WM they have, due to noble quest.
This has killed the last players who tried to enjoy to play at night.

Your Ignis day crew has still enough people to prevents your gems to be stolen.
But it's just a matter of time, sooner or later, you'll eat the same bread as Alsius and Syrtis night crews and no one will feel sorry for you.
From this moment, you will understand what means reduced to nothingness.

_Seinvan

05-11-2011, 01:38 PM

I wonder if it's not because of Ignis chaining -RLM (bugged) maluses on the two other realms since weeks...

I wonder what they thought would happen.. "lol we r igniz wer da invcuncibel"

HidraA

05-11-2011, 02:18 PM

Edit : Oh our gate is almost vulnerable, i'm going to login ^_^

ALMOST-dose not prove something :)))))

Mattdoesrock

05-11-2011, 02:18 PM

and no one will feel sorry for you.

Can't wait for this. :D

Southbound

05-11-2011, 02:20 PM

You Ignis as a realm decided to invade both other realms every night.
You Ignis as a realm chose to give to Alsius and to Syrtis -xp each time You Ignis as a realm can.
You Ignis as a realm benefit from this situation.

I guess I missed the realmmeeting where we decided on this :facepalm3:

You do realize that the infamous "nightcrew" sometimes only consists of roughly 10-15 ppl?
Since when does someones elses action make ME a bad person?

If you just stop your whining for 2 sec and login to the game, and OPEN YOUR EYES you'll see that the realm of Ignis takes one hell of beating on a daily basis.
But you are so god damn fixated on what goes on during the 3-4h when practicly ALL of Horus sleeps!

Mattdoesrock

05-11-2011, 03:02 PM

when practicly ALL of Horus sleeps!

http://www.own3d.tv/nel#/watch/114084

Courtesy of _Nel_.

tjanex

05-11-2011, 03:47 PM

Doesn't really look like 10-15 lol... You don't even know with how many people you are at night? Lol, and yes we whine now but we got a reason to whine if you were invaded everyday you would whine as well if you would have got -xp every day you would have whined as well and if you were looking on the map and your forts are captured and you know what's gonna hppen you would whine as well if you wouldn't be able to invade every day back you would be frustrated as well. :rale::thumb_down::facepalm3:

_Nel_

05-11-2011, 03:48 PM

I guess I missed the realmmeeting where we decided on this :facepalm3:
You don't need a meeting or anything else to support the current situation or take benefit and get delighted. Just posts like this one shows how you feel.

Aye i am totaly proud that they can do this, wish i had the ability to stay up late like i used to and do an invasion like the old days
...
Ignis do well at night, earning the whole realm these lovely bonuses

Only few Ignis expressed disapprouval of their realm mates behaviours, as Artec if I remember correctly.

If you just stop your whining for 2 sec and login to the game, and OPEN YOUR EYES you'll see that the realm of Ignis takes one hell of beating on a daily basis.
But you are so god damn fixated on what goes on during the 3-4h when practicly ALL of Horus sleeps!

Can I suggest you that the behaviour of your night shift realm mates affects the whole server and not only 3-4h?
Syrtis is under constant -xp malus since 2011-04-22, yeah 2.5 weeks. The last one happened 2 or 3 days ago, all our noobs were happy to get at least one single day with normal xp... before getting a new week of -xp malus the day after.

I don't know about Alsius, but I bet it's the same thing for them, since that -xp malus is "to force underpopulated realms to fight instead of grinding, dancing, afking, idling at cs or aggers".

But you are so god damn fixated on what goes on during the 3-4h when practicly ALL of Horus has changed the timezone they play, taken a long break until the next fix, or simply left the game!
Fixed. :rolleyes2:

Orimae

05-11-2011, 04:11 PM

I wonder if it's not because of Ignis chaining -RLM (bugged) maluses on the two other realms since weeks...

Again..NGd's fault..they made the wish avaiable..and i have not voted for that in almost two years..i have been at 4 invasions..all daytime, when it was Syrtis who broke alsuis gate and i just messed around taking screenies, last time i was on my conju was the first time in months and months since i was in another realm when ignis took the door...

Another problem is, when your nightcrew logs off, it's working/school time for most of Europeans, while your nightcrew is free since it operates in evening/early night, thus explaining why Syrtis and Alsius have to "cooperate" to have enough numbers to barely invade Ignis. (and with much less efficiency)

We simply cannot strike back unless on weekends maybe...

and like i said earlier, thats fair enough. It has happened to the day crew for so long we are used to fighting two realms at once. But tell the forum Scias, how long did Syrtis have Samal today? we got the crap farmed out of us for hours..even the gelfs got bored and logged off...

Orimae, when I say reduced to nothingness, this is REDUCED TO NOTHINGNESS.

Your whine won't change anything.

I wasnt whining...just pointing out daytime facts for the crew i play with...

You Ignis as a realm decided to invade both other realms every night.
You Ignis as a realm chose to give to Alsius and to Syrtis -xp each time You Ignis as a realm can.

Only because NGD has made it that way..like i said, bitch at them to remove the wish... i personaly do not think its a good with at all, and again, as i said earlier, i feel bad when it goes to another realm..not all of us vote for it, daycrew have no way to change this unless 30 of us stay up late every night...

You Ignis as a realm benefit from this situation.

No...no we don't...3 hours at Samal today being farmed by Syrtis..13 users online..nobody was grinding much if at all..

With your day crew, you're still able to get some forts, to prevent your gems to get stealed.

Only if we have enough...any fight at enemy fort i have been to the last few weeks never lasted long, we always got zerged out xD

Look, only Ignis successed to gather all gems since WM expansion. You can see at which hour it happens each time.

I might make a script to show you when a realm are invaded, but that will take me too much time to prove the obviousness that Ignis breaks Alsius AND Syrtis Gate once, twice or three times per night.

Please do this...then you will see the war status during Europe daytime, i noticed all your stats are all pre 5am GMT...considering me and the folks i play with are all still sleeping then...this is outwith our control.

Really, im not bitching, i do enough of that at poor Ignis with my banners trying to get us all in one spot lol... im just saying, during Eurpoe daytimes, its a whole other game for Ignis, we as a day crew are all too aware of what happens when we sleep... i have been to many night invasions, albeit when they first started...you know we all talk on facebook right? the other realmers tell us if they were invaded agian, in fact we got so tired of asking cos the answer was always 'yes..again...' that we stopped, trust me, we know how demoralising it is, but, its not my fault that the nightcrew are the strongest and they are devastating, more power too them, but its not thier fault either that not many are on to stop their army...although im sure a few of you wont agree with me there..' Ignis was mean to us so were quitting!!' ..oh i can hear it now...

But look, Ignis does know how bad it is for Nightshift..

Deaf answer ... As "Ignis day crew", we are aware, i can assure you :P

Edit : Oh our gate is almost vulnerable, i'm going to login ^_^

sorry to be patronising..but really...i have had to type all this to try and make the point that not all Ignis has it easy..its the way of the game, its a choice, play or dont play...

I guess I missed the realmmeeting where we decided on this :facepalm3:

You do realize that the infamous "nightcrew" sometimes only consists of roughly 10-15 ppl?
Since when does someones elses action make ME a bad person?

If you just stop your whining for 2 sec and login to the game, and OPEN YOUR EYES you'll see that the realm of Ignis takes one hell of beating on a daily basis.
But you are so god damn fixated on what goes on during the 3-4h when practicly ALL of Horus sleeps!

Amen Althy...really man..A-freakin-men

Pimousse

05-11-2011, 04:40 PM

But it's just a matter of time, sooner or later, you'll eat the same bread as Alsius and Syrtis night crews and no one will feel sorry for you.
From this moment, you will understand what means reduced to nothingness.

To be honest, i said "As Ignis day crew, we are aware, i can assure you" to inform you that we all know what happen every night, Ignis invasion ...

But hey! Its not my playtime. What can i do ? Defend Ignis gems till server die, when i'm login :P

Vroek

05-11-2011, 04:54 PM

Americans will always be more flexible on a international server than Europeans, this is a simple fact.
Europeans will have a very hard time to cover realm balance issues during American players prime time. Americans on the other hand can easily log on in the afternoon or early evening to help during European prime time.

Because of this i really like the fact that Raven server is launched, even if i resent that it was not opened before the new level cap got raised.

Now we are stuck (sorry) with unbalanced American population because they are lvl 60s/WMs with completely new gear etc.
Im sure this little issue will eventually go away, and most American will find their new home and Horus can hopefully move on an grow with less population issues.
But it irritating when it was so close and could have gone much smoother.

_Nel_

05-11-2011, 07:22 PM

Again..NGd's fault..they made the wish avaiable..

:sleep_1:

Nature gave you a sex, you are able to use it with everyone. Would you be unfaithfull to opper?
Is it the fault of nature if you and me would make love together?

NGD has its part of responsibility, but as far as I understand how wish works, most Ignis nihgtcrew voted for -xp to Alsius and to Syrtis, again and again, for weeks, and that's not NGD's fault.

I wasnt whining...just pointing out daytime facts for the crew i play with...

Nah, you compared your daycrew issue to Alsius and Syrtis nightcrew issues.

Your issue is what happened for years to Syrtis nightcrew, I mean before warmasters update. I know what you are experiencing, jumping from fort to fort, and trying to camp it as long as possible.

But you don't want to understand that today, Alsius and Syrtis nightcrews gets literally crushed every nights by Ignis nightcrew. And I mean crushed, not outnumbered, not outran, simply crushed, as harsh as this word may express. There is no possible ripost.

It's a step beyond, do you understand?
You can not jump from fort to fort anymore, all are heavily camped or if you're lucky and one is less camped, an army of WM level 60 will pop up behind to kill you before you have any chance to break the door.

All that may be done is that Syrtis and Alsius join their forces:
While Alsius is under attack, Syrtis tries to put Ignis gate in danger by jumping from fort to fort and so, dividing Ignis forces to give a bigger chance to Alsius to get back one of their fort, and vice-versa for Syrtis.

I tried that strategy once, but that only delayed Ignis nightcrew to the next attempt. Alsius were able to get back one of their fort, but only once. Even if we put a fort lvl 4 and we camped it, Ignis nightcrew were finally able to keep all Alsius forts, to zerg us in Ignis fort, to break Alsius gate, to get noble and gems and right after to invade Syrtis, noble + gems.

This game looks like a bad joke for night crew.

No...no we don't...3 hours at Samal today being farmed by Syrtis..13 users online..nobody was grinding much if at all..

Well, 3h for 13 users from your buddy list is not what I call Ignis as a whole realm. I bet you have much more players who benefit of this realm bonus in your or in other timezones. And your nightcrew also benefits from it since no one plays at night even for grinding, letting them doing all what they want (invading both realm, noble quest, dragon wish, +xp, -xp, ... rinse and repeat).

Kitsuni

05-11-2011, 08:05 PM

I guess I missed the realmmeeting where we decided on this :facepalm3:

You do realize that the infamous "nightcrew" sometimes only consists of roughly 10-15 ppl?
Since when does someones elses action make ME a bad person?

If you just stop your whining for 2 sec and login to the game, and OPEN YOUR EYES you'll see that the realm of Ignis takes one hell of beating on a daily basis.
But you are so god damn fixated on what goes on during the 3-4h when practicly ALL of Horus sleeps!
Each dragon wish IS a realm meeting... what the hell did you think it was? Everyone gets to vote.

Don't give me that night crew/day crew nonsense, it's all Ignis. All players chose to continue playing, while the other realms are driven to extinction by either getting steamrolled every night, or to wake up every morning to -XP (along with bug), -Gold, invulnerable forts and enemies with +XP and +Gold and dozens of virtually unstoppable Warmasters. I have absolutely no sympathy for Ignis forts being captured every morning.

Not that we even manage to open the gate that much even then - maybe once a day for a minute or two. Syrtis got the Ignis gems once, and it was a planned invasion that alot of people put alot of effort into, staying up way past their normal waking hours. And it's freaking Syrtis. When you whine about our whining all you want, but ultimately if our actions do not lead us to a victory obtaining the gems, or even killing nobles (Alsius has only 3 WMs after 3 months), then it doesn't mean jack. At least 90% of all efforts are all for nothing, that is the reality we deal with.

Lastly, I will say this, Ignis has willingly used an continues to use bugs knowing what they do. All of their players should've known that it would only be a matter of time until every single enemy in the game absolutely hated your guts and became willing to throw away all honor for you. I laughed endlessly when Syrtis bugged your forts, because that was f u n n y. Too bad you didn't have to put up with it as long as we did. Most of the time now Alsians and Syrtains have become completely focused on making tomato paste, even if it means working together with our (formerly) greatest enemies, and sometimes even with the same people who ganked us endlessly while grinding. The emotions caused in players by one realm's actions is simply that bad.

So Ignis, as an often self-proclaimed warmachine, can reap the rewards of what their night crew sews.

VandaMan

05-11-2011, 09:47 PM

...

He said he's not even awake for any of the hours where Ignis invades and opens the portal... but it's still his fault, because he's Ignis and he keeps playing? That makes a whole lot of sense, the Ignis day crew should quit so that Alsius and Syrtis can steamroll all day, and Ignis can steamroll all night. This way nobody ever has to put up with a challenging fight. Brilliant.

You'd think you would have figured out by now that ranting endlessly on the forums isn't solving your problem. I still maintain that it is one of many causes of the problem, but regardless, why do you keep doing it? It's clearly not helping anything. If the game really causes you so much frustration then don't play it, it's not that difficult to figure out.

What cracks me up the most, however, is you post about how biased I am, and then turn around and post this ridiculous wall of nonsense... all of Ignis are terrible people and they hurt my feelings so much and I don't care if you don't play during the nightly invasions you're still Ignis and that makes you a terrible person so don't give me that garbage about the other 20 hours of the day cuz it's still your fault cuz ur red wah wah wah! Boo hoo. Yeah, I'm definately the biased one.

Edit: For clarification, yes I know how much Horus sucks. All I mean to say is it will either get better or it won't, but ranting on the forums and acting like all Ignis are terrible people with no purpose other than ruining your day is just useless, immature, and a waste of time. You've made your point, and all of the devs are aware, they don't need to see it 30 more times. Ignis players are no different than players from any other realm, and if Alsius or Syrtis were so much stronger than both other realms in any "shift" they would act exactly as Ignis does.

Balint

05-11-2011, 10:07 PM

I think (I hope) nobody wants to blame ignis because of this. It's because of the bad conception of invasion system. It should be possible to prevent invasions even if you have only 10 against 40, and it should be possible to do sucessful invasions even when the enemy have a little more than you.

I think who posted here about the problem they did it for NGD, and they want some changes.

Of course the posts are a little about to make igneans feel a bit less motivated to invade but you don't have to care about it because it's a normal reaction from somebody who can do anything to win.

_Seinvan

05-11-2011, 10:50 PM

He said he's not even awake for any of the hours where Ignis invades and opens the portal... but it's still his fault, because he's Ignis and he keeps playing?

Ok, so while some of your players didn't participate in those nightly invasions, the rest of them did. Ignis as a realm is responsible for their shitty -xp wishing actions because of their night crew. What did you think would happen? Ignis day crew gets raped, Ignis night crew rapes, thats the way Horus is now.

That makes a whole lot of sense, the Ignis day crew should quit so that Alsius and Syrtis can steamroll all day, and Ignis can steamroll all night. This way nobody ever has to put up with a challenging fight. Brilliant.

It's pretty much already like that xD

Zas_

05-12-2011, 12:07 AM

http://www.own3d.tv/nel#/watch/114084

Courtesy of _Nel_.

Yes, it sums it up.

Southbound

05-12-2011, 01:00 AM

Each dragon wish IS a realm meeting... what the hell did you think it was? Everyone gets to vote.

Seriously? No, everyone doesnt get a vote. The ones doing the invasion is. I myself have during my 2 years of playing never got to open the portal (on Horus, I've seen it after a Ra invasion) Hell, I havent even got further then a few steps into Syrtis, in a failattempt.
But yeah, I can see why you include me as "EVERYONE"

I have absolutely no sympathy for Ignis forts being captured every morning.

Awesome attitude!! Screw em all!! :facepalm3:
Even tho some of them never EVER experienced an invasion after 2+ years of playing. They are red and should pay for what others do while they sleep :facepalm3::facepalm3::facepalm3:

Southbound

05-12-2011, 01:18 AM

http://www.own3d.tv/nel#/watch/114084

Courtesy of _Nel_.

Is it a secret that Syrtis has a larger Europepopulation then the other realms? Or are you just unaware of this fact?

Fact remains that the majority of Syrtis is asleep. And I wouldnt call the Ignis group in there for the majoraty of Ignis either.

Would you like to continue to explain your post, cause I don't get your point.

Tbh I'm not even sure what the video is saying. That is about exactly how it has looked when Alsius/Syrtis invaded Ignis and camped inside nobels house.

_Seinvan

05-12-2011, 01:49 AM

Alsius is sleeping while Ignis invades, then new/old players and grinders wake up with -xp bonus. Your situation won't be ANY different than what Alsius/Syrtis has been through. Except you've been playing for 2+ years, so you can effectively war.

Shut up now please.

bois

05-12-2011, 01:50 AM

I return from semi retirement.

What is the purpose of this thread now? It has none except to throw mud , sling blame across sides, and denigrate and stereotype players.

All of that is bullshit. Utter bullshit.

I play Ignis, sometimes I play the night crew, sometimes the day, I see all sides. Due to this, it is very clear that the server is designed for game play with a certain continuous, active and operational base population. Horus does not have it.

As such the weakness of the mechanics to contract or expand to population disparity is glaringly obvious. This is the problem. One of several issues.
Adding components that cause a runaway positive feedback loop made it exponentially worse. Likewise for the negative feedback loop.

The overpowering effect of warmaster skills coupled with the lack of absorption of excess power points leads to even greater problems with players having their cake and eating it. The classes were reasonably balanced after the last round (Hunter aside) . NGD should have kept that and have the excess power points absorbed in warmaster tree. They chose not to do so. We can see the results.

Appealing to players higher sensibilities when we have different cultures, ages, empathy levels, and just simply different people with different moral compasses is an exercise in futility. Actually, it is naive to expect anything different than what is happening now. There are players who will fight against the tide and take a moral stance but , don't expect that to take hold with the whole population. To think so is foolish. Equally ridiculous is to stereotype 1 player or some players for the actions of others.

I guarantee that nobody would be amused if I stereotyped them by the actions of their respective home countries.
In this game, can they stand in front the gate and stop the others by sheer will? I think not. I don't care what side of the fence you are on, when mob rule kicks in all higher sensibilities go out the door.

The server is skewed, the balance is skewed. skewed in the sense that it is gradually becoming more and more polarised. Day crew , night crew, who cares? The server simply does not have the dynamic base of balancing from day one and continuous base populations to make it hold a balancing act throughout the day. NGD never implemented positive reinforcement for weaker realms and a law of diminishing returns rule for dominant ones. Horus never gained critical mass to have competitive realms 24/7. Regnum is clique based. Realms are zone polarised. NGD never gave time zone bonuses to prop populations.
The tip could have gone either way. It just so happens it is Ignis today, yesterday it was Syrtis , who knows what will happen tomorrow.

One last thing, what is the point of bitter reposts, vitriol, one-up-man-ship and other levels of foolishness and behaviour patterns that I really believe are below some of you? Do better than that. It is a damn game, it is not a god-damned invasion of your respective countries. Get over yourselves and know that some of you are really going overboard. Sometimes I wonder if Regnum characters are your career. You spent money for entertainment, nothing more. If you don't get entertained then maybe you should take a rest off the game for a bit and get back in touch with what really matters.

If Regnum is all you have then your problem is bigger than you realise.

The players have their responsibility. NGD also has its responsibility. Numerous suggestions have been made from the simple to the complex, sublime to the ridiculous. If ego is not standing in the way, some of these can be positive and instructive to the way forward.

Regards

_Seinvan

05-12-2011, 01:53 AM

OP post

+1 for OP post :D

Getting sick of whinerrrrs D:

Jippy

05-12-2011, 02:10 AM

I love Artec... :play_ball:

Kitsuni

05-12-2011, 02:17 AM

...
I am no longer responding to your posts as you can't seem to do anything but argue with every single point that every single person on the forum makes that you don't agree with. I don't know what you want from people, but to me it seems like most Iggies on this forum just want to act like no one else goes through anything hard in this game and are just whiners, while simultaneously saying we are acting the same way and to toughen up. I'll say this clearly: Things happen in this game which drive players to quit, move realms, move servers, log off frequently and gain only frustration while they are playing. And this is not the players fault; and a great many of them have to do with Ignis' actions, direct or indirect, and NGD's inability to do something about it, because the situation with the excessive Warmaster coins and everything else has already gotten completely out of control.

Stop the arguments about whiners. Stop the arguments against whiners. Stop the whining.

Start realizing the truths and doing something about it, because I don't see NGD doing anything about it any time soon... so step up to the plate, instead of just joining the lemmings who seek only to cause stress for other players in a game just for their own enjoyment. If the community attitude is going to improve, both towards each other and NGD, the lulz have to got to stop, or at least diminish significantly.

And I admit; that has to apply to all sides, including ours. We "manned up" and worked with greens to keep the game playable for us all.

Healerous

05-12-2011, 07:42 AM

i know RO is really frustrating during the european night hours (ignis night crew). But afterall we cant blame the nightcrew - they just wanna play the game even if that mostly contains NPC 'fighting' Oo. anyways blame NGD for the awful invasion mechanics and horrible guards, who arent a help at all.
for me (working nightshifts), when i see reds invading at the morning, i log in, check alsius population, trying to retake a fort/castle 1-2 times.
when there is no chance i just log off and go facebooking - complaining on the forum wont help anyone. u are just feeding trolls and NGD wont listen anyways.
MAYBE they are working on new mechanics or the new fort design thing, just NGD knows.
so if u dont have a facebook acc xD - check the inet ( e.g. www.mmohut.com) for different games, maybe a singleplayer to bridge the nightcrew invasions.

invasion? who cares? not the carebear's! :D

Gabburtjuh

05-12-2011, 08:24 AM

lol, can't be bothered to quote all the posts with you can't blame player A for what player B does, in that case you can't blame player A in alsius for player B getting invaded either, do'h, ofc we can blame you as a realm, and repay you when your pop is lower, I feel bad for a few people, because I know them abit, but I really don't care since your situation is still so much better as the Syrtis and Alsius situation, atleast you can keep the gems, and there are 2 realms needed to even get you in danger.

_Kharbon_

05-12-2011, 08:37 AM

atleast you can keep the gems, and there are 2 realms needed to even get you in danger.

You are wrong.
Just now we got invaded by syrtis, taking all our forts and both our gems. This happened before.
It is the ignis night crew that has lot of players, during the day we are populated the same as other realms.

I will not apologise for what Ignis is doing, as any other realm would do the same if they had the numbers.

Gabburtjuh

05-12-2011, 08:40 AM

You keep your gems, as in the physilogical matter, since even if we get the gems one out of 10 invasions, syrtis or alsius can't invade the other, therefore the gems will just be returned by the nightcrew without the other realms being able to wish, like your nightcrew can, on his own, pretty much every night.

_Kharbon_

05-12-2011, 08:48 AM

What if syrtis now invades alsius before the Ignis night crew comes? Will that stop all the whining on the forums?

I know that alsius is underpopulated, but thats even in comparation to syrtis... my point is, that with a bit of luck syrtis can open the portal... We will see.

EDIT: Hmm, trele an aggs are green now...

ieti

05-12-2011, 09:55 AM

Hmmm it starts to get interesting.

Ignis are immune. Lets see if they will get more active on enemy forts as they sayed before OR they will get lazy and unwilling to fight and will camp save. :D

Gabburtjuh

05-12-2011, 10:20 AM

Better, let's see how their morale, especially daycrew, is over 2 weeks, incase forts stay immune that is...

yeah-baby

05-12-2011, 11:17 AM

is this thread "even" worth following,it sounds like a post made and contributed to by,cry baby's
YES i am alsius,YES i hate things...but who cares in the end..its about fun,if i dont have fun i leave,i use this place to complain to NGD,not other players!
when wil yo0u all stop this silly rubbish..and post threads directed at NGD..or game issues that matter...
no body cares who wins or loses,its how it is done that counts!
blaaaaa

Southbound

05-12-2011, 02:01 PM

I am no longer responding to your posts as you can't seem to do anything but argue with every single point that every single person on the forum makes that you don't agree with. I don't know what you want from people, but to me it seems like most Iggies on this forum just want to act like no one else goes through anything hard in this game and are just whiners, while simultaneously saying we are acting the same way and to toughen up. I'll say this clearly: Things happen in this game which drive players to quit, move realms, move servers, log off frequently and gain only frustration while they are playing. And this is not the players fault; and a great many of them have to do with Ignis' actions, direct or indirect, and NGD's inability to do something about it, because the situation with the excessive Warmaster coins and everything else has already gotten completely out of control.

Stop the arguments about whiners. Stop the arguments against whiners. Stop the whining.

Start realizing the truths and doing something about it, because I don't see NGD doing anything about it any time soon... so step up to the plate, instead of just joining the lemmings who seek only to cause stress for other players in a game just for their own enjoyment. If the community attitude is going to improve, both towards each other and NGD, the lulz have to got to stop, or at least diminish significantly.

And I admit; that has to apply to all sides, including ours. We "manned up" and worked with greens to keep the game playable for us all.

"just want to act like no one else is going through anything hard". Every post I made in this thread is to make this point: Just because you play on Ignis, it's not all fun and and games. Euro Ignis have it hard too! So if anything it's you that failed to see this, correct?

I never pretended to act there isn't a problem with the nightcrews and the constant invasions, -xp wishes. Only thing I've tried to do is excuse myself (and other Euro Ignis players) from that click, and try to make the point: Not all Igneans are vicious evil beeings trying to extinct the other realms from the games.
During our playingtime it's actually not always easy to find enjoyment either!

Ps
And about me answering every post that I disagree with:
2+ years of built up rage baby xD

Kittypretty

05-12-2011, 03:10 PM

my intent earlier too..

wasn't to single out ignis or imply they are bad people, just bad flaws, bad mechanics, you cant blame a player honestly for playing the game technically how it should be played. its just a side effect of this that causes such demoralizing effects for other players to the point of some quitting, or moving, fighting..etc.

just the fact that there is such a huge imbalance both in population per timezone and per class/wm skills is just beyond my ability to even know what to do to change that, aside from just taking a break and enjoying real life.

Zas_

05-13-2011, 12:32 AM

Tonight, same story on Horus:

- Ignis with many warmaster characters hold 3 syrtis forts and upgrade them.
- Syrtis with less than 10 people and 1 warmaster only can't do nothing
- Ignis put gates in danger and broke it in 3 seconds with 7 people (including few warmasters), no syrtis guard at all in front of gate, and ignis came from side
- they run with +30% speed to fisgael and kill nobles before we managed to do anything
- they ignore gems

They should do it few times again after that....

NGD: YOU HAVE TO FIX THIS SHIT ASAP !!

Minorian

05-13-2011, 01:30 AM

7 people (including few warmasters),]

Mighty big force you were fighting there? Ignis always waits for everyone at the gate so thats most likely the whole force... if the 10 of you with one warmaster couldnt port and take down 1 fort Syrtis has a new set of problems to deal with.

But I do agree that there needs to be more incentive to get the gems, as it stands we tend to care less about them, theyre an after thought now.

Balint

05-13-2011, 01:43 AM

if the 10 of you with one warmaster couldnt port and take down 1 fort Syrtis has a new set of problems to deal with.

10vs20 dosen't work when the enemy has lvl4 forts. Just tell me what kind of tactic would help in this case? Stop pretend that we had chance to do something.

I logged in today to have some fun but when there is no chance to win, nobody online, and the enemy have teleports and horn of the wind and we don't even have a single warmaster, I can't find the fun in this game. I hope NGD rethinks a bit this beta invasion system.

Aries202

05-13-2011, 03:08 AM

Zas_

05-13-2011, 07:36 AM

How about defending your forts like we freaking defend our forts. I'm tired of the realms complaining about how Ignis is bla bla and bla bla. Lord oh jesus, have mercy on their souls. Stomp stomp slam, rage quit.

Man you guys are really pathetic. From the bottom of my heart, Syrtis and Alsius is pathetic. I'll tell you why.

I have to get this off my chest - STOP COMPLAINING.

There's is nothing wrong with that Ignis is doing, those of you who call us "bad, heartless people" should stop, and think "hey maybe Ignis has a better realm bond compared to us." We work for everything we have at the moment. When we invade, it's because you let us invade. I'm not sure, if my home was being invaded, I'd try all that I can to remove the invaders.

I swear if someone comes saying we can't do nothing because of the amount of WM Ignis has, man.. tell your Southcross using barbs, and your southcross using knights to switch to a freaking blunt weapon, because last I've check Mind squasher removes those beacon affects quite well.

"Not everyone is going to use MS." all well too bad.

I wake up in the morning, and the times I have time to get on, we're being invaded by Alsius and Syrtis(what a surprise). No biggie, I hop on my horse where I can assist my realm. Even if we get invaded(and we do) We still stand there and fight. Something you two "night crews" can't do.

Don't you find it quite sad that two realms working together find it difficult to invade one Realm.

"Play in Alsius and see how it feels." Like hell i will, from what I've heard Alsius has it's own wars with each other.

We are gamers, that's what gamers do, COMPETE. Something Ignis has only been doing. Even at your prime time(European time zone) You still lack the will to do anything.

I'll tell you what, for now on Ignis will not invade for two weeks.(yeah right.)

Ever think about what would happen if they nerfed WM skills, how about if Ignis is still ontop then what?

I'm sorry if I offend anyone with this post, not my intentions but please read my post before reading one sentence and giving me red karma. Ignis came down from the ashes to the sky. Why should we stop invading?

Lol, you don't get anything about current issues.
Ignis can freely invade every night, this is not Ignis' fault but NGD's one.

Horus is facing MAJOR gameplay issues due to:
- new invasion mechanics: uber strong level 4 forts, uber weak realm gate
- night time: very few Alsians or Syrtians online, much more Ignean.
- Warmasters imbalance: OP spells giving HUGE advantage in fight
- bored people: most just go to bed after some time trying to do anything...
- permanent -XP bonus
- each time invasion occurs, more warmaster points for invaders, leading to even easier invasions, etc...
- Gate's guards are bugged, either they are here and do nothing, either, like yesterday, not a single one is there...

To those who ask to stop complaining:
- if you find nothing to complain about in those days (on Horus), you are just dumb.
- check Nel's video for an example, or just log during night to see how this is going...
- check Xia's stats
- WE DEFEND AS WELL WE CAN, but imbalance is far too high to have any chance to stop Ignis

GAME MECHANICS IS TOTALLY BROKEN, FACE IT

Note: Kilero and I were the only Syrtis to fight at nobles during first ignis invasion yesterday, they were 7 (with warmasters) on first wave, then we saw around around 10 other ignis (alone or small groups) and exactly 5 Alsians... not all succeed to kill nobles.

Zas_

05-13-2011, 07:41 AM

Mighty big force you were fighting there? Ignis always waits for everyone at the gate so thats most likely the whole force... if the 10 of you with one warmaster couldnt port and take down 1 fort Syrtis has a new set of problems to deal with.

As usual you write bullshit:
- 10 people can't take a defended level 4 fort, final dot.

Will you ever have constructive posts ?

Gabburtjuh

05-13-2011, 09:17 AM

How about defending your forts like we freaking defend our forts. I'm tired of the realms complaining about how Ignis is bla bla and bla bla. Lord oh jesus, have mercy on their souls. Stomp stomp slam, rage quit.

Man you guys are really pathetic. From the bottom of my heart, Syrtis and Alsius is pathetic. I'll tell you why.

I have to get this off my chest - STOP COMPLAINING.

There's is nothing wrong with that Ignis is doing, those of you who call us "bad, heartless people" should stop, and think "hey maybe Ignis has a better realm bond compared to us." We work for everything we have at the moment. When we invade, it's because you let us invade. I'm not sure, if my home was being invaded, I'd try all that I can to remove the invaders.

I swear if someone comes saying we can't do nothing because of the amount of WM Ignis has, man.. tell your Southcross using barbs, and your southcross using knights to switch to a freaking blunt weapon, because last I've check Mind squasher removes those beacon affects quite well.

"Not everyone is going to use MS." all well too bad.

I wake up in the morning, and the times I have time to get on, we're being invaded by Alsius and Syrtis(what a surprise). No biggie, I hop on my horse where I can assist my realm. Even if we get invaded(and we do) We still stand there and fight. Something you two "night crews" can't do.

Don't you find it quite sad that two realms working together find it difficult to invade one Realm.

"Play in Alsius and see how it feels." Like hell i will, from what I've heard Alsius has it's own wars with each other.

We are gamers, that's what gamers do, COMPETE. Something Ignis has only been doing. Even at your prime time(European time zone) You still lack the will to do anything.

I'll tell you what, for now on Ignis will not invade for two weeks.(yeah right.)

Ever think about what would happen if they nerfed WM skills, how about if Ignis is still ontop then what?

I'm sorry if I offend anyone with this post, not my intentions but please read my post before reading one sentence and giving me red karma. Ignis came down from the ashes to the sky. Why should we stop invading?

Lol, this post doesn't make sense at all, our night crews can fight back, and then, they run to a fort, ignis warns the rest of their group, 10 people pop up behind, rape the group, and still have enough WMs to tele to the next fort we try, if NGD nerfed warmasters, it would be ALOT harder for ignis, because 20 people with 10 WMs mean that you have 20 people at each fort now, without the tele's, you'd have 7-7-6 or a other variation... Meaning 10 people acctually have a chance.

And your day crew problems are NOTHING compared to our day crew issues, you have 2 realms attacking you, that combined have less WMs as you night crew, have a lesser advantage in terms of numbers, and still need 2 realms to even get you in danger.

We aren't even blaming ignis, but to say that you worked hard to get where you are now, it just isn't true, all you had to do is stay up past normals times, invade semi-empty realms, turn in the WM quests, and ding, you got a bigger force with atleast 10 times as much WMs that chain vote +xp for ignis and -xp for the other realms, and yes, we can blame ignis for being pricks and voting -xp over and over after invading during very low pop times...

Pimousse

05-13-2011, 10:13 AM

Zas_

05-13-2011, 10:25 AM

Why with your 10 ppl, you didn't try to take back a fort, when Ignis leave it for going in your realm (i mean right after gate being broken)? Hunters can check easily empty fort.

Trying to defend the Nobles is totally useless imo. Better to close the door.

With 10 ppl you can take back easily a 4lvl fort. And then, Ignis kill nobles, and? We have already some wm anyway. At least you have a chance to keep your gem safe.

Aahhah, you don't get it at all :)

I don't care about gems, XP or gold, it was very fun to (try to) protect our nobles, for once, some guys found a bit harder to kill them (and many failed because of us), it's all about fun (and there is no fun to take empty forts...).

Thank to all enemies who participate in our fun :)

Gabburtjuh

05-13-2011, 10:37 AM

Why with your 10 ppl, you didn't try to take back a fort, when Ignis leave it for going in your realm (i mean right after gate being broken)? Hunters can check easily empty fort.

Trying to defend the Nobles is totally useless imo. Better to close the door.

With 10 ppl you can take back easily a 4lvl fort. And then, Ignis kill nobles, and? We have already some wm anyway. At least you have a chance to keep your gem safe.

You don't get it, ignis just invades twice then, they do that anyway, one so EVERYONE can get the noble, and then, while leaving more at the forts, the gems, because you can't kill what you can't catch, they can do that with 4 ppl, 2 to carry 2 to keep constant uber speed....

Zas_

05-13-2011, 10:41 AM

You don't get it, ignis just invades twice then, they do that anyway, one so EVERYONE can get the noble, and then, while leaving more at the forts, the gems, because you can't kill what you can't catch, they can do that with 4 ppl, 2 to carry 2 to keep constant uber speed....

Yes, exactly. But Ignis still think we could do something....

standistortion

05-13-2011, 10:48 AM

Logged on this morning to have a look at whats going on. All I can say is its not worth loosing sleep over, its just a group of item whores who get their arses kicked in a real battle despite their level and equipment. They where wiped out at aggs this morning by a force 1/3rd the size and with no warmasters.

They would make much better gelfs than warpigs, ignis should kick them over to syrtis before they destroy ignis reputation.

Warmasters? More like Buttmasters.

_Nel_

05-13-2011, 10:57 AM

...
We are gamers, that's what gamers do, COMPETE.
...
:facepalm3:

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/1989/50002404.png (http://img135.imageshack.us/i/50002404.png/)

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This is NOT what I call a game. This is a butchery.

...
We are butchers, that's what butchers do, BUTCHERY.
...
Fixed.

Orimae

05-13-2011, 11:05 AM

Wow..so much stubborness and anger...

I just wanna say a few things.

firsty , thank you to these people...

Lol, you don't get anything about current issues.
Ignis can freely invade every night, this is not Ignis' fault but NGD's one.

i know RO is really frustrating during the european night hours (ignis night crew). But afterall we cant blame the nightcrew - they just wanna play the game even if that mostly contains NPC 'fighting' Oo. anyways blame NGD for the awful invasion mechanics and horrible guards, who arent a help at all.

MAYBE they are working on new mechanics or the new fort design thing, just NGD knows.

I think (I hope) nobody wants to blame ignis because of this. It's because of the bad conception of invasion system. It should be possible to prevent invasions even if you have only 10 against 40, and it should be possible to do sucessful invasions even when the enemy have a little more than you.

I think who posted here about the problem they did it for NGD, and they want some changes.

my intent earlier too..

wasn't to single out ignis or imply they are bad people, just bad flaws, bad mechanics, you cant blame a player honestly for playing the game technically how it should be played. its just a side effect of this that causes such demoralizing effects for other players to the point of some quitting, or moving, fighting..etc.

just the fact that there is such a huge imbalance both in population per timezone and per class/wm skills is just beyond my ability to even know what to do to change that, aside from just taking a break and enjoying real life.

Not all Igneans are vicious evil beeings trying to extinct the other realms from the games.
During our playingtime it's actually not always easy to find enjoyment either!

those of you who call us "bad, heartless people" should stop, and think "hey maybe Ignis has a better realm bond compared to us."

We are gamers, that's what gamers do, COMPETE.

I return from semi retirement.

What is the purpose of this thread now? It has none except to throw mud , sling blame across sides, and denigrate and stereotype players.

All of that is bullshit. Utter bullshit.

As such the weakness of the mechanics to contract or expand to population disparity is glaringly obvious. This is the problem. One of several issues.
Adding components that cause a runaway positive feedback loop made it exponentially worse. Likewise for the negative feedback loop.

Appealing to players higher sensibilities when we have different cultures, ages, empathy levels, and just simply different people with different moral compasses is an exercise in futility. Actually, it is naive to expect anything different than what is happening now. There are players who will fight against the tide and take a moral stance but , don't expect that to take hold with the whole population. To think so is foolish. Equally ridiculous is to stereotype 1 player or some players for the actions of others.

The tip could have gone either way. It just so happens it is Ignis today, yesterday it was Syrtis , who knows what will happen tomorrow.

The players have their responsibility. NGD also has its responsibility. Numerous suggestions have been made .

I love Artec... :play_ball:
We all do man ^^

Really, thank you guys, great words from all 3 sides, good to see.

And now for this..even tho its been pointed out above, the mud slinging has got to stop, so i am putting this to you as , well, kinda proof that you guys can actully do what Ignis do..and did it, yesterday...

Tonight, same story on Horus:

- Ignis with many warmaster characters hold 3 syrtis forts and upgrade them.
- Syrtis with less than 10 people and 1 warmaster only can't do nothing
- Ignis put gates in danger and broke it in 3 seconds with 7 people (including few warmasters), no syrtis guard at all in front of gate, and ignis came from side
- they run with +30% speed to fisgael and kill nobles before we managed to do anything
- they ignore gems

They should do it few times again after that....

NGD: YOU HAVE TO FIX THIS SHIT ASAP !!

Earlier in the very same day (yesterday) ....please note the time on my bar (GMT +1 ) and the date...

http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/2696/screenshot4d.png

So i logged in to see ignis users...

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/4277/screenshot2011051211131.jpg

10vs20 dosen't work when the enemy has lvl4 forts. Just tell me what kind of tactic would help in this case? Stop pretend that we had chance to do something.

As usual you write bullshit:
- 10 people can't take a defended level 4 fort, final dot.
Y But Ignis still think we could do something....

Um....yes it can... the map shows we got one fort back to bring gate back up after the gems were gone...

I'm not the only one who knows this..

Why with your 10 ppl, you didn't try to take back a fort, when Ignis leave it for going in your realm (i mean right after gate being broken)? Hunters can check easily empty fort.

Trying to defend the Nobles is totally useless imo. Better to close the door.

With 10 ppl you can take back easily a 4lvl fort. And then, Ignis kill nobles, and? We have already some wm anyway. At least you have a chance to keep your gem safe.

So...c'mon folks, it can be done by all realms, NGD do have to look inot the issues of crappy gates and pwnage forts.. Don't hate the player...hate the game..

Final notes of epicly long post im sure most of you scrolled thru ..TOO LONG!! NOT READING IT!! XD

Hmmm it starts to get interesting.

Ignis are immune. Lets see if they will get more active on enemy forts as they sayed before OR they will get lazy and unwilling to fight and will camp save. :D

Didn't freaking last long did it? xD i kinda wished it had tbh lol..and of course we will go take enemy forts, we did, was fun .

Yeah, I'm definately the biased one.

I see what ya did there ^^

Gabburtjuh

05-13-2011, 11:12 AM

Earlier in the very same day (yesterday) ....please note the time on my bar (GMT +1 ) and the date...

http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/2696/screenshot4d.png

So i logged in to see ignis users...

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/4277/screenshot2011051211131.jpg

Um....yes it can... the map shows we got one fort back to bring gate back up after the gems were gone...

Those pics don't show what happened after though.... Alsius was unorganized at the start so we had to use a different tactic, let the gate get in danger, camp the gate so syrtis needed more, and then we teled to imp and took it, way before syrtis could have taken the gem out of the realm. Your forts, you already showed, you took meni back before the gate was fixed again so your forts got bugged.

On retaking meni, ofcourse you could retake meni, syrtis left it because the gems were already out....

OpperVaagheid

05-13-2011, 11:30 AM

Those pics don't show what happened after though.... Alsius was unorganized at the start so we had to use a different tactic, let the gate get in danger, camp the gate so syrtis needed more, and then we teled to imp and took it, way before syrtis could have taken the gem out of the realm. Your forts, you already showed, you took meni back before the gate was fixed again so your forts got bugged.

On retaking meni, ofcourse you could retake meni, syrtis left it because the gems were already out....
We couldnt take meni back.. The gelfs already had our gems :)

_Nel_

05-13-2011, 12:02 PM

Earlier in the very same day (yesterday) ....please note the time on my bar (GMT +1 ) and the date...

http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/2696/screenshot4d.png

So i logged in to see ignis users...

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/4277/screenshot2011051211131.jpg

Don't be silly Orimae, you exactly know what happened, and your screenshots are irrelevants.

Your forts were bugged because you had no gem and you took meni before end of timer.
It's an old bug since new invasion mechanic. Look at your screenshots, Ignis has no gem, so your forts stayed Syrtis and were immune. Shaana and samal stayed green all the day long until your nightcrew invades both Alsius and Syrtis and get every gems back (i would say: in one night again + 1 alsius gem after dragon wish).

"You logged to see Ignis users"... rofl
/list command shows all your currently connected friends
I can show you how I invade Ignis with 0 user online if you want. xD
> http://regnum.wikia.com/wiki/Game_Commands

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/1989/50002404.png
03:00 GMT is a butchery.
09:00 GMT is not (yet?) a butchery.

OpperVaagheid

05-13-2011, 12:17 PM

Don't be silly Orimae, you exactly know what happened, and your screenshots are irrelevants.

Your forts were bugged because you had no gem and you took meni before end of timer.
It's an old bug since new invasion mechanic. Look at your screenshots, Ignis has no gem, so your forts stayed Syrtis and were immune. Shaana and samal stayed green all the day long until your nightcrew invades both Alsius and Syrtis and get every gems back (i would say: in one night again + 1 alsius gem after dragon wish).

"You logged to see Ignis users"... rofl
/list command shows all your currently connected friends
I can show you how I invade Ignis with 0 user online if you want. xD
> http://regnum.wikia.com/wiki/Game_Commands

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/1989/50002404.png
03:00 GMT is a butchery.
09:00 GMT is not (yet?) a butchery.

Talking about irrelevants posts? Gratz! You just made one =]
And yeah... you have to login to see how much users are online...

oppervaagheid@oppervaagheid-laptop:~$ /list
bash: /list: No such file or directory
oppervaagheid@oppervaagheid-laptop:~$

And we couldnt know it was a bug? We logged in AFTER the gems where gone?

Well.. That was my irrelevant post.
Amen.

Aries202

05-13-2011, 12:39 PM

A lot of people have to realise that calling us pricks won't solve anything. My post was directed to the people that point their fingers to Ignis. Of course I received red karma, but expected from these people.(atleast next time sign it ;)).

One comment said I was very biased, Bleh. Let me explain how biased this situation is.

Fact:
-Ignis invades every night North American time(11 pm EST time)
-Ignis has more Warmasters
-Ignis is in danger morning time North American time(usually 8-10 am EST time)
-Time zone is an issue on Horus

Opinion:
-Ignis are "pricks" for voting for -exp
-WM update caused a major imbalance
-Syrtis/Alsius can't defend themselves against Ignis' night crew

Alright, now that that's out of the way, there will be always two sides of the story, so how in anyone's right mind can say someone's opinion, or saying is biased. I clearly stated my opinion on the side of the people who choose to point fingers at Ignis for the stuff that's happening. For example, we cause stress to Alsius players. Again, we invade because NGD wants us to invade, in return we get our quest done. No harm in that. Let me say something also. Just because our wish is -exp, doesn't mean EVERY Ignis in that damn portal voted for it. My clan and myself vote for Exp bonus for Ignis, and Gold for Ignis, it is very rare that some decent people vote for -exp.. You can't blame us for that though, -exp is not a bug(as long as a GM announces it's a bug) It does what it is meant to do. <--Period

Alright now that I explained my opinion(note I said opinion, for you guys waiting to call me biased). Now let's get to business.

Time zone is a huge issue in Horus yes, sure. But why? Ra is international and seems to be doing pretty ok. Maybe it has to do with Population, who knows. Maybe if they forced North American players to Raven with a free transfer it'll solve time zone issues, BUT. And I'll say it again, BUT. What about the people who enjoyed playing with international people, no one wants to leave old friends behind.

Blame NGD, man NGD isn't to blame, sure WM skills needs some tweaks, that's is why we need to hope for the best in this upcoming update.

I enjoy playing with a lot of players from other realms, but I do not enjoy this game, when people start pointing fingers. It's depressing really on how easy invading has become for us, it makes me sometimes not want to do it at all.

I don't know what else to say, there will always be two opinions on this topic, like there is always two sides of a story.

Zas_

05-13-2011, 12:39 PM

Don't turn that thread in yet another who is the best/worse realm stupid thread.

FACTS (Horus):
- Ignis are now used to invade at night, when no one can stop them, almost never during day time
- Alsius almost never invade
- Syrtis invade as often they can, mostly during day time

This is time zone and underpopulation issues that were here before Warmasters update, we all know that.

BUT Warmasters update broke things even more:
- more successful invasions = more warmasters
- more warmasters = more successful invasions
- more successful invasions = less XP and gold for other realms
- WM speed + beacons + teleport = overpowered when number of warmasters isn't exactly balanced.
- etc....

AND new invasion mechanics broke things even more:
- invasions can be done with very few people
- level 4 forts are very hard to take with very few people
- gate's guards are useless (bugged)
- immunity is useless and kill war activity
- bugged implementation of immunity
- etc....

Many many bugs which make things even more complicated...

Note that currently, one can get NEGATIVE XP from warring due to XP malus and bugs... i guess new players may leave due to this simple stupid thing...

Horus state is very bad: peak time in the evening where almost all realms are equally numbered, good fights, but outside this peak time all is wrong, even more than it was before Warmasters update

I will add as an even worse issue:
- permanently unstoppable barbarians since one is either under UM or DI or beacon with either spring or onslaught or horn spell

So i guess there are people here that still think everything is well in RO....

NGD: you perhaps don't care, but for sure, Horus is dying slowly, check twice your stats....

bois

05-13-2011, 01:02 PM

I want some red Karma too....

If the game is so horrendous, the game so unbalanced, broken, NGD developers so callous, and unknowledgable, the opponents so heartless and evil......

Why are you all still playing? Why are you all still posting?

Oh, so you invested in Characters did you? You invested time? Well, you invested in entertainment, that is all. Get over it.

Oh, so you know all the game problems do you? You have all the answers yes? you know the internal structure of NGD better than NGD yes?
Send 100,000 euros to them and ask to be an angel investor.

Oh, so if you repeat the same problems that we all know about thousands of times then the devs will hear and respond to your narcissistic posts? Sounds like a plan there.

This is a game, not your lives.....

Or maybe it is. Scary thought that.

Play the game, get what you can out of it. Or move on.

I choose to play, no matter what the condition. Why? because I have fun no matter what. Day crew , night crew, me alone vs 15 I still have fun. That is what it is all about isn't it?

Or is it something more for some of you? I suggest you invest some more in RL.

This is not directed at any one person. But if the shoe fits.......................................

TomLukman

05-13-2011, 01:09 PM

Replying to Aries202 and Zas_:

You both made some strong points about the currents situation, each from his own realms point of view. Your points were along the other points made in this thread earlier. Even though I wrote a similar long post earlier, I'd just like to post a quick comment still hoping NGD will take notice.

In my humble opinion, the current situation on Horus is NOT:
- any particular reams fault
- any particular players fault
- NGD-s fault (not directly caused with WM update - see below)

Since all war masters have equal powers, no individual war master can, by definition, have and advantage over the other. The current imbalanced situation on Horus is therefore not the result of imbalanced WM spells, quests or armor.

The situation is bad because there are not enough players playing on Horus server - all realms included. The only long term solution to this problem is bringing more players to Horus. This can only be efficiently achieved via good marketing.

Balint

05-13-2011, 01:14 PM

If the game is so horrendous, the game so unbalanced, broken, NGD developers so callous, and unknowledgable, the opponents so heartless and evil......

Why are you all still playing? Why are you all still posting?

Because it was a good game before warmasters update, and we don't like to see this great game is dying.

The situation is bad because there are not enough players playing on Horus server - all realms included. The only long term solution to this problem is bringing more players to Horus. This can only be efficiently achieved via good marketing.
And why implemented NGD a game which is unplayable when few players on?

fred1011010110

05-13-2011, 01:15 PM

MOAR bold, dots, srz facts, pics and caplock PLS

euros r always a bunch o whiners[

bois

05-13-2011, 01:24 PM

Because it was a good game before warmasters update, and we don't like to see this great game is dying.

from your join date, You should know that this is a recurring decimal.

With every major update there is this reaction. First it would be nerfs then Invasions, then some other thing like strafing, mouse look, new engine, new attack mechanics, and now warmasters. Guess what , they all contributed to the state the game is in now. War masters just seemed to be the straw that broke the camel's back.

Trust me the next major one will be those castles and forts. and then the next balance patch.

Second, NGD generally has a culture and approach that has changed very little over the years, what makes you think a major culture shift will take place?
What makes anyone think posting ad nauseum will change anything radically? Has the history of this game proven different?

Tomyslav I agree with you. I have been saying this all along. But , mudsling is much more attractive so... on with the sideshow

Balint

05-13-2011, 01:46 PM

I understand you, but I think the last update was a big mistake from NGD. I like the new looking of WM clothes, and I like the war XP and the reward of WM coins, but the abilities of warmasters destroys the game.

I don't know how much of forum users are warmaster, I'm not. I think it's no fun when I have to ask all the time for teleports or banners, and when there isn't any WM online the game is unplayable for me. WMs are moving in an another dimension, teleports, +30% speed, I'm just a mage who walks all the time and can't do anything.

Pimousse

05-13-2011, 01:50 PM

Agree with Aries202 Zas_ et Artec.

Horus itself is underpopulated. WM update works well on Rha i guess.
NGD made a great game with very small means, but their skill. Gratz to them.

You don't get it, ignis just invades twice then, they do that anyway, one so EVERYONE can get the noble, and then, while leaving more at the forts, the gems, because you can't kill what you can't catch, they can do that with 4 ppl, 2 to carry 2 to keep constant uber speed....

Well ok, not many thing you can do. I should drink some coffee and take part in invasions.

P.S. : and +1 Tomyslave too. Whinning so much don't help to populate Horus.

Zas_

05-13-2011, 01:56 PM

Why are you all still playing? Why are you all still posting?

Because we still hope NGD will open their eyes...
Because we spent hours and days to play since years...
Because we still love our characters...
Because fun didn't disappear totally yet....
Because we like Regnum Online....

And because i'm still able to accept blind people which don't see the state the game is on Horus.

Orimae

05-13-2011, 02:01 PM

I was going to do another quote thing...but meh..whats the point?

I really wasn't bitching, or complaining, just saying Ignis aint all bad, it can suck for us dayshifters sometimes, but we play on regardless, and was only trying to point out that Ignis can be invaded, co-opperativley or not, doesnt matter, it can be done...

And re@ yesterdays daytime invasion of Ignis, i wasnt there, i only saw the map on the website, logged on to see how many were online and around, saw that we had got Meni back after the gems were taken, so i messed around on my hunter a bit and logged off, so i don't even know what happened after that... and Nel, i hate to say this, but at the time when ignis was invaded which was was around 9am - 11am gmt...your calcuator shows more gelfs on than the others...i don't understand your rant there at all :/ , i was just saying it could be done..Gelfs can make a green map and take gems..

Balint

05-13-2011, 02:21 PM

Just play chess, witch you can't win, and after every match the opponent will be stronger, but you won't. In the return match you can't even win.

you can't win: 19 portal openings from ignis and no one from other two realms.

That's the problem, I hope you understand it.

OpperVaagheid

05-13-2011, 03:15 PM

you can't win: 19 portal openings from ignis and no one from other two realms.

Aaaah now i get your point.. NOT.
So if i see all those people who are ranting on Ignis... they are just jealous that they dont have enough ppl on? And that they don't have that much warmasters?

Instead of start screaming and blaming other people for this, go spam NGD's supportdesk.

Lots of people are now freaking out on eachother. Which is totally useless. The players can't do anything about it. NGD should find a proper solution for this.

Amen!

tjanex

05-13-2011, 03:28 PM

OpperVaagheid

05-13-2011, 03:33 PM

Lol -1 they are just jealous that they dont have enough ppl on? And that they don't have that much warmasters?, such a stupid reply ><'...
We aren't jealous we want justice and this is not justice we want balance this is not balance we want a fair fight this is no fair fight

http://images2-telegraaf.nl/multimedia/archive/00682/Logo_We_Want_UNOX_682787f.jpg

UNOX <3 <3

Lol nah.. My point was more.. This is useless. People start bitching on eachother. But the players can't do a shit about it. It's more wrong time, wrong place.

_Nel_

05-13-2011, 04:45 PM

@ Orimae,

I don't know how I can explain better that chart. For me it's the obviousness.

First, since it's the only tool availbale to measure the activity in a server through hours of the day, it's the only way to measure imbalance between realms in different timezones.

Today - Fort Captures by Hour - Last 30 Days (GMT)
http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/6984/fortscapturedbyhour.png (http://img38.imageshack.us/i/fortscapturedbyhour.png/)

This chart shows how many enemy forts got taken during the last 30 days for a definite hour.
For example, if Alsius takes an enemy fort between 14:00 and 15:00 GMT, it adds a point to Alsius to 14:00 GMT.

You can see at 03:00 GMT Ignis took around 105 times an enemy fort during the last 30 days, while Alsius around 10. So it's around 10 times more than the second realm.

At 12:00 GMT, the worst hour for the less populated Ignis timezone, Syrtis took around 40 times an enemy fort, while Ignis around 20. So it's around 2 times more than the second realm.

So, we may suggest that Ignis is around 10 times more powerful than the second realm at 03:00 GMT and Syrtis is around 2 times more powerful than the second realm at 12:00 GMT. Bigger is the amplitude between the most and the least powerful realm, bigger is the imbalance.

A perfect balance would be: all realms take exactly the same amount of enemy forts per hour. Well, let's be serious, that will never happen.

The imbalance can also be showed with vertical bars: bigger is the bar, bigger is the imbalance.
Here are the bars between the most powerful realm and the least powerful one, at 03:00, 09:00 and 12:00 GMT:

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/1807/fortscapturedbyhour1.png (http://img231.imageshack.us/i/fortscapturedbyhour1.png/)

The following chart can also show how many hours a realm is the most powerful in the server. It's clearly Syrtis for the most part of the day, but the imbalance isn't as bad. We, old syrtis players, try everyday to discourage our noobs to put forts level 4, convince half players to move to the other enemy when fight becomes relentlessness, we know we lose fort when we go to close to the save, so we go close to the save, etc.

http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/2504/fortscapturedbyhour3.png (http://img801.imageshack.us/i/fortscapturedbyhour3.png/)

Some will say, this chart doesn't show when a realm are camping an enemy fort. I will reply that doesn't matter, since you're busy to take back your own forts, you can not spend time to take enemy forts. It still shows the imbalance, but in this case, by reducing your amount of enemy forts that might get taken for a definite hour.

At last, I know this tool is not accurate to measure imbalance between realms, since forts are not the only way to make war. But it still gives a fair idea of what happens on Horus and even more since Warmasters update and the famous teleports, focusing war almost exclusively to forts.

Raindance

05-13-2011, 05:16 PM

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Would you please fucking quit it with those damn statistics already? Get some fresh air ffs!

Orimae

05-13-2011, 05:42 PM

Would you please fucking quit it with those damn statistics already? Get some fresh air ffs!

Aye..thats a good idea XD

Nel, i was never saying your stats are wrong, im just pointing out the times on them, the times i play Syrtis have more than us... is all..really....

tjanex

05-13-2011, 07:07 PM

Would you please fucking quit it with those damn statistics already? Get some fresh air ffs!

Hmm she's just right and what she shows here is just some prove to me, we got our good times Ignis got their good times and Alsius is well let's say underpopulated lol but definately Ignis is overpowered now I know you will still deny you are but you definately are, but this game knew ups and downs.

Syrtis had a very good time before Ignis came to camp the wz now Ignis does (I dunno about Alsius (didn't see any OP actions in the 2 years I play in Horus from Alsius lol).

But everytime there is a certain unbalance in the servers NGD has to solve it instead of implenting an all-ruïning update, just focus on the balance and try to fix some bugs.

-Hunter is very nerfed and actually isn't a real support class.
-Locks have to OP cc's they can keep a warrior slowing down that much that he won't be able to even hit the air 20cm behind the lock, Slow 5, pricking ivy, Will Domain, Beetle Swarm, and over and over again it's not balanced
-Barbs need SC nerfed and damage could be lower as well it's not balanced if you can kill a lvl 40 in 2 hits
-Conjs can use some extra heal skills and some spells should definately be looked over again
-Marks need a dmg and range nerf they are just the most 'op' class atm
-Knight is fine to me

_Seinvan

05-13-2011, 07:36 PM

Ok time for my thoughts xD

I do not believe Ignis has "worked hard" to get where they were today. They're only there because a good amount of them stayed up past everyone else's bedtime to invade, over and over again. It's as simple as that.

Sure you can call that whole 'disorganization' era what it was, but all that changed once a few people decided, "Hey, lets stay up late and invade the others! Teehee", and it went from there.

They're not bad people (necessarily xD ) and they may be just playing the game NGD gave to them, but they're doing it the easy way by invading when everyone else is "sleeping". Every realm is like this during invasions, Ignis is just the most obvious example at this time.

Imo this is a crap way to play the game, since most people have no interest staying up late to defend their gems. Once people start complaining about Ignis' nightly invasions/playstyle, a thread like this begins.

Ignis says 'waaah waaah you're all whining why don't you just invade?', while the other realms yell 'why don't you invade when we're active?' etc etc

tl;dr Ignis only plays the game NGD gave them but in a crap way, everyone else needs to play that way too if they want to win.

I'm really glad I don't play on Horus often anymore so I don't have to deal with this crap xD Raven ftw!

In short: fuck you all, NGD keep on keepin' on and doing your thing.
ps: sign your karma cowards :p

OpperVaagheid

05-13-2011, 07:52 PM

Hmm she's just right and what she shows here is just some prove to me, we got our good times Ignis got their good times and Alsius is well let's say underpopulated lol but definately Ignis is overpowered now I know you will still deny you are but you definately are, but this game knew ups and downs.

Im a glad you say this.
A lot of people tried to say this, but lot of people got negative replies. This is what a lot of people just try to say. I hope other people now finally get to see what we are trying to say.

And can we now stop posting with useless replies like these;
http://kaalkop.nl/fileadmin/igniss.jpg or http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/9392/badignis.jpg

Raindance

05-13-2011, 08:10 PM

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I'm not denying anything, I am simply agitated by all these meaningless colorful charts and whining that's coming from Syrtis every side.

Also, I wouldn't go calling other people dumb unless I've learned how to spell it correctly.

_Nel_

05-13-2011, 08:41 PM

Nel, i was never saying your stats are wrong, im just pointing out the times on them, the times i play Syrtis have more than us... is all..really....

I'm just pointing out that Ignis nightcrew behaviours are simply destroying this game.

The tiny imbalance you pointed out (and Regnum has always had since the beginning) has got nothing to do with the strong imbalance at night. I don't see what's your purpose, to keep repeating again and again the same old record that's got stuck with your play time.

Open your eyes.

tjanex

05-13-2011, 08:42 PM

When Syrtis was 'OP' Ignis whined all day long as well, I think all realms whine that's just what we do to maintain balance. And srry that not everyone comes from an English speaking country. :facepalm3:

bois

05-13-2011, 09:32 PM

After all is said and done, this is the bottom line.

Horus is underpopulated. Everywhere. Every imbalance that we see now and is inflamed, always existed.

Ignis this hour, Syrtis that hour, etc ,etc.

The server simply does not have the consistent baseline active and operational populations to keep the game mechanics of war working as intended. NGD did not design the game to work with minimalist populations.

Everything else fed out from that. Warmasters in and of itself is not the problem. It however is the catalyst that inflamed pre-existing problems that were festering under the surface for some time.

You could look to Ignis as the source of the problem if that comforts you but really, Ignis night crew only exposes the weakness in the system in place. They are the symptom, not the root cause.

The thing is this: is it working well on RA? If it is, I would not expect any quick solutions coming.

Minorian

05-13-2011, 10:23 PM

10vs20 dosen't work when the enemy has lvl4 forts. Just tell me what kind of tactic would help in this case? Stop pretend that we had chance to do something.

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Way to take my post out of context. Apparently there were 7 at the gate. Ignis always waits for everyone to arrive. So it was 10v7. Thats where I said theres a problem if Syrtis cant take 1 fort back,

OpperVaagheid

05-13-2011, 10:27 PM

I'm just pointing out that Ignis nightcrew behaviours are simply destroying this game.

The tiny imbalance you pointed out (and Regnum has always had since the beginning) has got nothing to do with the strong imbalance at night. I don't see what's your purpose, to keep repeating again and again the same old record that's got stuck with your play time.

Open your eyes.

Soooo.. Years the Syrtis crew destroyed the game for Ignis & Alsius.... Years you had the same story (didn't you get bored of that?) Now Ignis is your "victim".... Like i said before. This is not the cause of a realm. This is because NGD still cannot handle balance.

/me close my eyes....
And btw Nel.. Open your own eyes. Read ALL the words in someone's posts before you

Amen..

OpperVaagheid

05-13-2011, 10:57 PM

Soooo.. Years the Syrtis crew destroyed the game for Ignis & Alsius.... Years you had the same story (didn't you get bored of that?) Now Ignis is your "victim".... Like i said before. This is not the cause of a realm. This is because NGD still cannot handle balance.

/me close my eyes....
And btw Nel.. Open your own eyes. Read ALL the words in someone's posts before you

Amen..

And tbh. This episode sounds a bit like RO after the WM update and all the ppl whining about other ppl/realms; http://www.myspace.com/video/dark-rider/south-park-make-love-not-warcraft/6848872

NotScias

05-14-2011, 12:03 AM

I'ts really pointless to argue about it, NGD can't find a magic wand and balance populations on Horus just like that.

You also can't blame players or a realm for just playing this game at the time they want/can.

Only time will tell us and make it better... Wasn't Horus in the same situation 1 or 2 years ago ?

OpperVaagheid

05-14-2011, 09:43 AM

You also can't blame players or a realm for just playing this game at the time they want/can.

Only time will tell us and make it better... Wasn't Horus in the same situation 1 or 2 years ago ?

You said the magic word. Amen! :)

Freduardo

05-14-2011, 10:14 AM

Off-topic:
It's funny how this forum community's behaviour runs in cycles.

Invasions introduced,
Ignis warmachine (lol) invades and opens the portal every other night or so for a good while.
Ignis raving about their supreme tactics on forums, preferably blaming the other realms for things like grinding too much, not wanting to fight, not being organised, blahblahblah.
Alsius/Syrtis whines about the imbalance, blaming people for playing the game in their own timezone, bluhbluhbluh.
Gradually when the fog of forum war clears, most people come to a consensus on the flaws of the invasion system and just get on with whatever enjoyment the game still offers.

Ctrl-c, Ctrl-v

Warmasters introduced,
Ignis warmachine (lol) invades and opens the portal every other night or so for a good while.
Ignis raving about their supreme tactics on forums, preferably blaming the other realms for things like grinding too much, not wanting to fight, not being organised, blahblahblah.
Alsius/Syrtis whines about the imbalance, blaming people for playing the game in their own timezone, bluhbluhbluh. <--We're here now
Gradually when the fog of forum war clears, most people will come to a consensus on the flaws of the warmasters system and just get on with whatever enjoyment the game still offers?

Only 1 slight difference this time around: The XP malus being chosen every (?) time XP bonus is not available. Which makes it all a bit more dramatic (pathetic*).

On-topic:
I don't like warmasters, just as much as I don't like invasions (hey, another analogy). It dumbs this game down immensely. Especially on a server like horus, with timezone imbalances on all 3 sides. Where there often is no other fight but a WM fight (cause there usually is just one at a time).

bois

05-14-2011, 12:47 PM

Fairly on target Freduardo.

Except for a few things.

Ignis did rave about being able to invade yes, but really the night crew was birthed out of frustrations brewing from the timezone before. Night crew was a backlash type thing. The crew in the start was not very big, the tactics were necessary and invasions failed much more often that it succeeded. When it did, it instilled some sort of pride. That got out of hand later on with more of the day crew staying up to experience the rush of invasions.

Make no mistake, Ignis could never invade except for that time slot. Even then it was a task that required much planning. Even then it failed quite often. Those are the facts. Ignis gloated a bit, Alsius and Syrtis complained . This is true.

To my mind everyone discussed the flaws and accepted them early on in that time. However trolls fed the war on the forums.

This time is different. Many players identified the problem as the update hit. This included many Ignis players. Many made suggestions and asked for alterations straight off. Consensus was formed about things like poor AI for guards, invulnerability, nobles quest, weak gates and so on. Consensus.
Ignis did not gloat not nearly half as much this time around. In fact a lot were on the opponent side , trying to buoy them into some state of competitiveness. Many took that as some kind of attack against the realm and simply folded their hands in apathy. You see it is very easy to blame Ignis. That requires no work.

The war on the forums is not about Warmasters. Everyone accepts that it is a flawed implementation for Horus. The war is waged by a very small vocal population who banter at each other all the time. The arguments are the same old ones with fundamental problems that were never addressed when Invasions launched. Warmasters simply magnified all the problems that were always there festering away.

But what are we supposed to do? Stop playing ? Well at least I did to some extent on Horus. I like the game but I just can barely stomach the attitudes on all sides (yes including my own) and this forum? It is now a cesspool of slander. If it were to "crash " for a week , I see no loss.

HuntShot

05-14-2011, 01:28 PM

No offence Ignians... but you know what we and syrtis should do..

Let us invade eachother just killing the nobles like 5 times a night, get 50WM's for each realm and then screw eachother... see how Ignis feels if they face an army with more fuckin' warmasters than soldiers on their side...

Anyway when is CHILKO or anyone else going to read this.. for real fix the freakin' fucked up invasion mechanics I'm seriously sick of complaining!

_Nel_

05-14-2011, 05:32 PM

I'ts really pointless to argue about it, NGD can't find a magic wand and balance populations on Horus just like that.
It's not about finding a magic wand, It's about trying to balance that server, simply trying, lifting a finger up, saying one word, asking players, finding a solution. And certainly not staying apathic as they are doing for years on that specific subject.

You also can't blame players or a realm for just playing this game at the time they want/can.
We as Syrtis try to restrain our spoilt children. You perfectly know how ieti (and mostly inquisition clan) acts when someone yell "invasion" in general chat. We have lots of players who tries to discourage any attempt to abuse a situation to crush an enemy realm. Don't deny it. If we can, Ignis can.

Only time will tell us and make it better... Wasn't Horus in the same situation 1 or 2 years ago ?
No. I don't remember 3 weeks in a row of constant -xp malus. In their best weeks, they invaded 3 times per week, and absolutly not everyday.

But what are we supposed to do? Stop playing ? Well at least I did to some extent on Horus.
Bringing up correctly your spoilt children and restraining their desires of destruction. It'd be a good start, no?
Then, you can stop to act like an overprotective mother and so, stop to support them on forums by saying it's NGD's fault if they invade and choose by themselves to give -xp malus each time they can. It'd be a good continuation, for sure.

ieti

05-14-2011, 09:35 PM

Agree with Nel here. -XP sux big time and it does nothing to 60's, it hurts players who try to become better and even come into WZ to play. You hurt new players of Horus. NGD gived this wish, BUT you choose it! You share the guilt!

So stop thinking of excuses please! As you do not choose draconic gem for obvious purpose you can restrain self from fking XP mallus. I know we choosed that, but it was in rare occasions.

Do not bring here the "wah wah wah stop crying and play the game" excuse too. We all know most of us do not care. Those who care are in inner realm or at falls and try to grind.

If we want server to grow we have to care for all and stop act like asses.

Cheers and have fun. ;)

bois

05-14-2011, 09:35 PM

I do what I can. However, people are free to operate as they wish.

I try to show and not tell as this presents a better message. I did my best to squash things like fort rotating for rosettes, chocolate abuse and other things. I am sure you were able to contain and control your spoilt children from that yes ? From your high handed posturing I am convinced you are totally capable of it.
Mere mortals like me only had limited success.

But after all the emotional outbursts, it remains.

Ignis night crew is a symptom of a deeper problem : Anaemic populations across the board, less than ideal system of reward for invasion that causes runaway negative and positive feedback loops and, invasion mechanics that do not scale to minimalist populations.

Warmasters is a catalyst: weak populations, the relative strength that CC plays in the game, poor invasion solution that does not scale, improper balance of invasions resulting in the feedback loops that drive the imbalance and polarisation further.

The problems existed before. They were exposed. They are even more glaring now. It could have been Ignis, it could have been either of the others. The solutions start with the good suggestions that players proposed regarding:

Invasion rewards
Different options than current one for invulnerability
Incentives to boost activity in low periods for realms that need it (time zone bonus)
Diminishing returns on dominant realms.
Increasing returns for weaker realms.
Modification in the equations to distribute above.
Adjustment of items that cause positive and negative feedback loops
Limitations on warmaster capabilities
Review of invasion mechanics and Guard AI.

I think Warmasters was a step forward and if it was implemented slightly differently as many suggested, it would have been a positive addition. The implementation seemed rushed and somewhat untested.
Invasions have always had issues. I think the way they are doing it is a step in the right direction but, as I mentioned before, the critical thing is missing.

New forts and Castle. If the crux of the war is waged there and forts become bigger with weaker front gates and several keeps to conquer, the game would be different. Make no mistake, I still think the issues at the gate still need addressing but, taking war and extending it at forts and bridges is the way to go.

lunedor

05-14-2011, 10:47 PM

To change most of players attitudes and all the frustration generated bye Invasions, what about dragon wishes that could only give positive things to the invaded realms ? :wish:

Topogigio_BR

05-15-2011, 04:38 AM

Fact: Every realm in international server are mostly populated for some country or nationality. It happens in Horus also happens in RA.
Fact: NGD prohibit spanish speaking languages countries to log on Horus.
Fact: America is form by mostly 3 languages english on north (Canada and USA), portuguese on south (Brazil), and spanish at other coutries. And yet Brazil is more close to europe than Canada or USA.
Its no unlikely that NGD, maybe even without knowing, forced some kind of unbalancing, equation is simple The realm who has more north americans will have benefits of unbalancing its not a measure of abilities much more that is a matter of geography.

Plus, what a lower realm could do to stop stronger realms was CC's, with now imunity do CC's, in case of many WM its almost permanently, not even this can be done, you are raped with lower lvls cos you get xp malus, withtout the chance of doing enough damage or stoping a higher lvl enemy.

Topogigio_BR

05-15-2011, 04:43 AM

For a farly amount of time i have been saying it " NGD constantly do the same mistake, treating Ra and Horus community as they were the same".
They apply solutions to RA and hope Horus will do the same, wake up NGD, cos it wont.

Topogigio_BR

05-15-2011, 04:50 AM

today invasion 30+ against 5.

Llayne

05-15-2011, 05:01 AM

TomLukman

05-16-2011, 01:42 PM

We all share a common bond in that we play this game together. We should treat each other better.

Amen to that. Regnum is a game. A purpose of the MMO game is entertainment and making friends while playing.

We mostly agree that the problem is underpopulated Horus. I'm sure NGD is reading this and is trying to find a way to fix that. Developing and maintaining a MMO game is not an easy job and it takes time.

In the meantime we, the players, shouldn't waste time and energy arguing about this problem that we obviously cannot fix ourselves. Play the game, play fair, have fun, make friends and make the best of what the game has to offer. And most importantly, respect each other - even if you're from different realms. You may be rivals in the game, but in the real world you should still respect each other and stop all this flaming and blaming.

The purpose of this simulated realm war is not to turn us all into 3 groups of worldwide enemies. It is to have fun and make friends in the process!

See you in game...

_Seinvan

05-16-2011, 11:18 PM

While I agree that arguing over this game is generally stupid, saying we cannot fix it is false. There are tons of great suggestions from years ago and even recently that would make this game much much much better than it is now. There has even been a bug compilation thread which I doubt has had more than a few looks from the entire NGD staff. While we cannot fix it, it is our duty to bring these issues to their attention and maybe even suggest things to make this game better.

In fact, whats the point of the suggestions thread if NGD doesn't even give us feedback? Sure the players and the community can, but even if you get enough people under one idea I doubt NGD will listen to those demands.

Nils_Dacke

05-20-2011, 09:26 AM

I want some red Karma too....

If the game is so horrendous, the game so unbalanced, broken, NGD developers so callous, and unknowledgable, the opponents so heartless and evil......

Why are you all still playing?

I'm not. (But in my case, mostly thanks to nice weather. Playing online games is mainly a winter passtime for me.)

Why are you all still posting?

I suppose people do that to point out the quite obvious flaws in the game design, in hope that these flaws will be corrected?

Well, you invested in entertainment, that is all.

Regnum Online has become too predictable now to have any entertainment value. It is like watching reruns of the same B movie from the mid 70's over and over again. Oh look... the zombies swarm again... *yawn* :sleep_1:

Yes we invested in entertainment. But NGD doesn't deliver.

What amazes me, however, is that the zombies themselves keep on playing. Invading empty realms rushing past buggy guards standing there like statues to bravely break a paper door over and over again, only to gain further advantages to do it even easier the next time? It takes an exceptionally low standard on entertainment to actually enjoy that. Or low self-esteem and ambition level; yearning only for the most pathetic and insignificant forms of triumph.

bois

05-20-2011, 01:14 PM

I suppose people do that to point out the quite obvious flaws in the game design, in hope that these flaws will be corrected?

My retort was one born in frustration and really sarcastic in tone. While people provide good posts and very relevant ones, repeating it over and over in threads is not helping much. NGD has become so desensitised to it they probably can't even weed out the good ones in threads any-more. The forum is now relegated to fluff and hype threads by our community manager or deletions/closure of threads. Bickering amongst ourselves does not help either. But, I must admit that the community has tried every conceivable approach to attract the attention of developers to the plight of the game. With little success I must add. I suppose ranting is the only thing left. The Raven experiment may once and for all prove just how much work the game still needs to become a major player in competitive markets.

Regnum Online has become too predictable now to have any entertainment value. It is like watching reruns of the same B movie from the mid 70's over and over again. Oh look... the zombies swarm again... *yawn* :sleep_1:

Don't disagree. It had been so before warmasters. Warmasters just magnified all existing problems on the server. But, the suggestions box is filled with promising ideas. NGD should have a second look there. It is a treasure trove. Hopefully the adoption(or lack of) of even the simplest of ideas there is not ego driven.

Yes we invested in entertainment. But NGD doesn't deliver.

True . I suppose people invested on the potential that the game presented and we all see. Unrealised potential. The consistent grabbing of defeat from the jaws of victory with each patch. Great ideas but rushed and poor deployment.
I suppose you have to look at it as a stock you invested in that never made it to prime time or paid a dividend. No government bailouts on this one though.

What amazes me, however, is that the zombies themselves keep on playing. Invading empty realms rushing past buggy guards standing there like statues to bravely break a paper door over and over again, only to gain further advantages to do it even easier the next time? It takes an exceptionally low standard on entertainment to actually enjoy that. Or low self-esteem and ambition level; yearning only for the most pathetic and insignificant forms of triumph.

Well human nature is what it is, the constant accumulation of things. Things that may or may not have any value. Man shall try to dominate man till the end of times. Happens in real life and it will happen here. I still play but I pick my spots now. It still does what it always did for me. That is to take the edge of a stressful day. I take what I can with my investment.

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